History Headscratchers / VForVendetta

16th Nov '17 1:25:30 PM TMB
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** Another possibility is Sutler's regime just sucked at the brainwashing aspect of doing business. They came to power through fear of terrorism and apparently succeeded in rooting out what they advertised as the culprits: Islam, homosexuals, counter-culture movements, etc. What did they do for an encore once the threat was gone? They just stuck to the fear, violence, and propaganda. Hitler came to power in a nation falling apart and united them through a rebuilding program that had an ever-present set of scapegoats (Jews, Communists, and neighboring democracies). They also included a vast indoctrination program. His presence in their daily lives was overwhelming and a generation grew up revering him. The Norsefire indoctrination scheme seemed to be limited to the propaganda tools. Sutler did not appear to have that messiah-like effect on the U.K. that Hitler did on Germany so the people more easily transitioned from needing him to just fearing him to brushing him aside.
5th Nov '17 5:31:19 PM Gaon
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*** This is supported during Valerie's letter, in which there's a newsreporter talking about the new proposal of the '''Under-Secretary of Defense''' (a prime position for doing something like Larkhill) Adam Sutler. The election involving the viral outbreak results in Adam Sutler becoming ''Prime Minister'', so there's a clear RankUp going on.
29th Aug '17 9:11:17 AM HalcyonDayz
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** IIRC, somwehere in the comic it said that the progression to true anarchy take 4 steps, V is step 1, Evey represents step 2. So they would end up needing 4 V figures in total. Or, maybe V just wanted an assistant (''Doctor Who'' style). And the kidnapping is a good way to book end the story and symbolize Evey's transition to V (English class answer).

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** IIRC, somwehere somewhere in the comic it said that the progression to true anarchy take 4 steps, V is step 1, Evey represents step 2. So they would end up needing 4 V figures in total. Or, maybe V just wanted an assistant (''Doctor Who'' style). And the kidnapping is a good way to book end the story and symbolize Evey's transition to V (English class answer).



** V doesn't want a LASTING anarchy, he wants anarchy in order to usher in a new government. His job was to tear down the existing system and he left it to Evey to help build a new one. Presumably somone other than Evey would need to lead it.

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** V doesn't want a LASTING anarchy, he wants anarchy in order to usher in a new government. His job was to tear down the existing system and he left it to Evey to help build a new one. Presumably somone someone other than Evey would need to lead it.



** It's tempting to think of Africa as a poor continent, despite its bountiful supply of 'in demand' raw resources, but if you take a hard look at some of the worst African nations you'll notice that they are awash with military hardware. Given the chaos of a war, it's not hard to believe African nations would source WMDs of all sorts from fallen ex-super powers.

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** It's tempting to think of Africa as a poor continent, despite its bountiful supply of 'in demand' raw resources, but if you take a hard look at some of the worst African nations you'll notice that they are awash with military hardware. Given the chaos of a war, it's not hard to believe African nations would source WMDs [=WMDs=] of all sorts from fallen ex-super powers.
6th Aug '17 12:16:39 PM tacit-ronin-
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[[folder:The Count of Monte Cristo]]

* After Evey watches the 1934 version of the Count of Monte Cristo with V, she says that she didn't like how Edmond wanted revenge more than Mercedes. Its been a long time since I watched the 1934 version but I'm pretty sure Edmond still ends up with Mercedes at the end of the story and it was in the book that Edmond and Mercedes are still separated after he got his revenge. So wouldn't it make more sense for Evey to say that if her and V just finished reading the book instead.

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23rd Apr '17 9:24:59 AM SkidTroper
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** It's not just that he considers himself monstrous. V is an Ubermensch, and he wants a new world to rise from Norsefire's shadow, but he also DOESN'T want this new world to be based, defined or dependant on ''him''. Likely because he doesn't want to repeat Jesus' mistake, trying to guide people and then having people run away with his beliefs and corrupt them to try and lord over others, or be made into a leader and [[HeWhoFightsMonsters then become as corrupt and despotic as Sutler]]. Like he tells Evy, the new world needs to be shaped by new people, and the choices must be their own, without any influence. [[FridgeBrilliance Which fits the True Anarchy concept, of society rulling itself without the need of leaders or religions to control what they view as right or wrong]]. Movie!V is still an anarchist, only a more subtle one than Comic!V.

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** It's not just that he considers himself monstrous. V is an Ubermensch, and he wants a new world to rise from Norsefire's shadow, but he also DOESN'T want this new world to be based, defined or dependant on ''him''. Likely because he doesn't want to repeat Jesus' mistake, trying to guide people and then having people run away with his beliefs and corrupt them to try and lord over others, or be made into a leader and [[HeWhoFightsMonsters then become as corrupt and despotic as Sutler]]. Like he tells Evy, the new world needs to be shaped by new people, and the choices must be their own, without any influence. [[FridgeBrilliance Which fits the True Anarchy concept, of society rulling ruling itself without the need of leaders or religions to control what they view as right or wrong]]. Movie!V is still an anarchist, only a more subtle one than Comic!V.




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** He was serving as a symbol to rally around so he could spearhead these ideas. His death in the movie is an altered version from the comics (on a side, people perverting Jesus' teachings is not Jesus' mistake, the onus lies on the people who do so and a lack of understanding about Jesus whatever your views on Him. Such a claim is FlameBait, either use RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement or avoid the topic altogether).
10th Mar '17 2:55:07 AM Iku
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*** They micromanage those below them. But they absolutely enforce orders from the top without question and micromanage to enable those orders without question.
24th Feb '17 7:34:06 AM nobrandhero
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*** When the two detectives are talking about what's about to happen, and it keeps cutting back to shots of that stuff happening, there's a cut from them saying "This is what he wants...he wants..." and then cuts to a guy shouting "Anarchy in the UK!" and shooting up a convenience store. That's about the closest the movie ever comes to it, I think. It definitely makes the 'anarchy = chaos' assumption.




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*** The "Anarchy in the UK!" guy is sporting a pretty nice piece. I'm sure V wouldn't have any trouble getting whatever guns he wanted, if he wanted them. He just likes knives and isn't sane. There's probably not that much more to it.
24th Feb '17 7:21:49 AM nobrandhero
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** You're missing that V is just trying to get people to rise up against the government in order to force the government to crack down harder and thus cause an even greater uprising. He's not trying to free them from surveillance or any other little gesture like that. He's trying to destroy society itself so that maybe something better can take its place. Lying to said society in order to trick it into destroying itself isn't hypocrisy, it's a tactic he uses consistently and effectively throughout the series.
15th Sep '16 11:42:58 PM damnedifiaint
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** They ''did'' kill him with what they had - just not quite quickly enough. They combed the area for traps and the like to make sure he didn't have something nasty in store, but it was a perfectly reasonable assumption that if it came down to shooting, 13 professional killers could take down one man.
8th Sep '16 5:24:01 AM Riley1sCool
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** A lot of people think of anarchists as bad guys, like how V sees himself. However, V figures that there are better anarchists in the world, who will solve the problems themselves. Also, this entire question is more or less a cheap shot at anarchic philosophy. It's quite realistically portrayed.

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** A lot of people think of anarchists as bad guys, like how V sees himself. However, V figures that there are better anarchists in the world, who will solve the problems themselves. Also, this entire question themselves, unlike him, who is more or less a cheap shot at anarchic philosophy. It's quite realistically portrayed.
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