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*** I remember the line being "she has blonde hair, ''and'' she doesn't look Japanese" rather than "she has blonde hair, ''so'' she doesn't look Japanese" (it takes awhile to get to that part though, so I can't immediately confirm it). Thinking of it that way, he's probably thinking of them as independent/semi-independent characteristics.
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** Going by the games, it seems heavily implied that Maria does have some sort of pervasive developmental disorder (Rosa implies that she has a lot of developmental delays, and one of the things that tends to set Rosa off on Maria is when somebody asks how old she is -- which she seems to interpret as "are you ''sure'' she's nine?"). {{Fanon}}'s pinned her as AmbiguouslyAutistic, although WordOfGod is mum on the subject as far as I know.
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** Actually, it is. And it is part of the point. Battler(the Anti-Fantasy side) has a clear winning condition, while Beatrice(the Anti-Mystery) has not. This reflect the fact [[spoiler:Beatrice actually does not want to win at all, but to make Battler win]].
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*** Not neccasarilly, [[HigurashiNoNakuKoroNi Rena]] actually has an average bust-size for a girl, not [[ACupAngst Rika-flat]] or [[BoobsOfSteel Shmion-huge]], which was actually [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] once in the manga.
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** Not really. Umineko seems to be less popular in the blogsphere and general anime public. In fact, most of it general popularity comes from Higurashi. Furthermore, while the original Higurashi Sound Novel is just as discussion fuel as Umineko, most English fandom met it through the anime, where the hints and resolutions are given in a much more faster pace, leaving less space to discussion. In the flip side, the Umineko Sound Novel were translated to English before the anime come out, so people could start discussing it sooner.
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*** Did you miss the part where Maria was best friends with Beatrice? Someone is atleast playing the character for Maria; anyway, that knowledge isn't at all difficult to get ahold of, and Maria is fascinated and obsessed enough to study on her own, so there's no necessity for someone to teach her, per se.
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** A murder mystery is a puzzle. It's not unfair at all; the only losing condition for either side is giving up.
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* If we're to take Battler's direct testimony as more or less truth in the first arc; then Maria knows how to write pentagrams, crappy Hebrew, the ArsGoetia; the 4 Archangels, etc. and keeps Scorpion Amulets. This level of knowledge requires intense study, especially for a nine-year old. Even if this stuff is mumbo-jumbo...who on earth taught this to her? It likely wasn't her mother; she can't stand that Maria is fascinated by the stuff.
** Given how "magic" (either themes or the actual stuff) is the theme of the murders, perhaps the source is related to the mystery?
** Given how "magic" (either themes or the actual stuff) is the theme of the murders, perhaps the source is related to the mystery?
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* Doesn't the Anti-Fantasy side have a huge advantage regardless of whether magic exists or not? Let's suppose magic really does exist. How would Ryukishi07 show this? It was established early on that its against the rules to directly confirm the existence of magic with red truth, and even if the characters in the story can't come up with a mundane explanation (or choose not to), there's always the possibility that the readers will come up with something.
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**** What? Nothing of the sort is said. Stop relying on fake spoilers.
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*** According to the tips, Beatrice only recently became a title for Endless Witches. During, the flashback with Virgilia and young Beato. Virgilia is called Beatrice, and claims she isn't an Endless Witch yet.
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** I always thought that Beatrice was Virgilia's title. However, I was under the impression that Virgilia is not her actual name but also [[MeaningfulName a title of sorts:]] [[DivineComedy someone to guide our hero through hell and purgatory and to Beatrice in the end-which is why i can accept BAAYYATREEECHAAAYY instead of the pronunciation of Beatrice most non-Italians would be familiar with.]] The further the series goes, the more obvious it gets with it's references to The DivineComedy, so it's not unreasonable to think this is the case. But I guess this belongs more on WMG...
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** I always thought that Beatrice was Virgilia's title. However, I was under the impression that Virgilia is not her actual name but also [[MeaningfulName a title of sorts:]] [[DivineComedy someone to guide our hero through hell and purgatory and to Beatrice in the end-which is why i I can accept BAAYYATREEECHAAAYY instead of the pronunciation of Beatrice most non-Italians would be familiar with.]] The further the series goes, the more obvious it gets with it's references to The DivineComedy, so it's not unreasonable to think this is the case. But I guess this belongs more on WMG...
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** I always thought that Beatrice was Virgilia's title. However, I was under the impression that Virgilia is not her actual name but also [[MeaningfulName a title of sorts:]] [[DivineComedy someone to guide our hero through hell and purgatory and to Beatrice in the end-which is why i can accept BAAYYATREEECHAAAYY instead of the pronunciation of Beatrice most non-Italians would be familiar with.]] The further the series goes, the more obvious it gets with it's references to The DivineComedy, so it's not unreasonable to think this is the case. But I guess this belongs more on WMG...
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** I think those flashbacks are meant to show that one of the message bottles depicted the second arc.
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* Correct me if I'm wrong, but episode 20 of the anime takes place in the 1998 after the third arc where Eva escapes, right? So whne Ange and the wierd occult man were talking about the Rokkenjima murders, why were there flashbacks of the second arc's murders, including the first twilight, when Eva was killed?
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* Correct me if I'm wrong, but episode 20 of the anime takes place in the 1998 after the third arc where Eva escapes, right? So whne when Ange and the wierd occult man were talking about the Rokkenjima murders, why were there flashbacks of the second arc's murders, including the first twilight, when Eva was killed?
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* Correct me if I'm wrong, but episode 20 of the anime takes place in the 1998 after the third arc where Eva escapes, right? So whne Ange and the wierd occult man were talking about the Rokkenjima murders, why were there flashbacks of the second arc's murders, including the first twilight, when Eva was killed?
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**** EP7 almost outright states that the appearance of the characters presented to us in the novel isn't necessarily what they actually look like. It seems to be acknowledged that from the point of view of the characters, they're all normal black haired asians and such.
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**** EP7 almost outright states that the appearance of the characters presented to us in the novel isn't necessarily what they actually look like. It seems to be acknowledged that from the point of view of the characters, they're all normal black haired asians and such.
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*** She says no such thing. She only says that she honors the tradition of no secret passages like Knox and Dine do. That's a significant difference.
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***** Supposedly, if Battler wins his duel with Beatrice, he will destroy all lies, discover the true culprit and travel back to the beginning of the story. Plus, [[AdaptationDecay even though the Anime will make you think the contrary]], Battler's goal isn't to deny magic, but to '''deny that the murders are magical'''. But try telling that to [[TooDumbToLive DEEN's staff]]...
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***** Supposedly, if Battler wins his duel with Beatrice, he will destroy all lies, discover the true culprit and travel back to the beginning of the story. Plus, [[AdaptationDecay even though the Anime will make you think the contrary]], Battler's goal isn't to deny magic, but to '''deny deny that the murders are magical'''. magical. But try telling that to [[TooDumbToLive DEEN's staff]]...staff...
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** Even though I don't know which {{Ass Pull}}s are you talking about, there is an universal answer to most complaints: [[AdaptationDecay the Anime]] was released at a very bad time. When it was released, only the question novels were written, so nobody knew what the answer, [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment because]] '''the Anime was released before the novels reached the answers.''' Plus, during the release of the Anime, the fifth novel was written, and it has a couple of lines of text that change the meaning of the other novels. In other words, [[color:red: this story cant pay you off, because it is still being written.]]
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** Even though I don't know which {{Ass Pull}}s are you talking about, there is an universal answer to most complaints: [[AdaptationDecay the Anime]] was released at a very bad time. When it was released, only the question novels were written, so nobody knew what the answer, [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment because]] '''the the Anime was released before the novels reached the answers.''' Plus, during the release of the Anime, the fifth novel was written, and it has a couple of lines of text that change the meaning of the other novels. In other words, [[color:red: this story cant can't pay you off, because it is still being written.]]
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* Is Umineko more popular than Higurashi? Or are the fans just more open about referencing to it, talking about it, etc due to the trollish fantastical ways of it in comparison to the mostly realistic Higurashi?
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****"Serious theories" and "theories on crack"?
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****DEEN was supervised by Ryukishi here.
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** actually Beato says way back in ep 2 that her game follows knox rules. Besides the real reason i think that both Virgilia and Dlanor said that they don't know if Beato's game follows Knox is cuz they are not Beato and only Beato can confirm that.
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*** However, Kinzo has anime hair too.
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***** Actually, that's not true. Battler's initial goal is to deny all magic. It's only later, I think about halfway through the 3rd arc or near the beginning of the 4th arc that it changes to proving that all crimes could be possible by a human culprit. But his initial objective from the first tea party up to the Beato-Viriglia battle was to completely deny magic. Hence, why he was so traumatized by the magic battles in the third arc, since even though they didn't have to do with the murders, he couldn't figure out any way to counter them except by accepting that they were magic. SoYeah
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***** Actually, that's not true. Battler's initial goal is to deny all magic. It's only later, I think about halfway through the 3rd arc or near the beginning of the 4th arc that it changes to proving that all crimes could be possible by a human culprit. But his initial objective from the first tea party up to the Beato-Viriglia battle was to completely deny magic. Hence, why he was so traumatized by the magic battles in the third arc, since even though they didn't have to do with the murders, he couldn't figure out any way to counter them except by accepting that they were magic. SoYeah
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* In EP1, Battler comments that Beatrice can't be Japanese because she has blonde hair. Jessica is right next to him. SoYeah...
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* In EP1, Battler comments that Beatrice can't be Japanese because she has blonde hair. Jessica is right next to him. SoYeah...
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** Anime hair. But it could also be a recessive gene in Rudolf that got dominant in them. Perhaps their grandmother, or more likely Kinzo when he was Battler's age, had red hair.
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** The only person who'd really try is Battler, and by the time he starts thinking about it, Dlanor explains that it's not an absolute rule but a crutch to make one think from another perspective. It's useful, even if it's not literally valid. And shortly after this, Battler learns the Truth and no longer needs to question it. But yes, you're right. People commonly just assume that since they're in red, they must be valid to the game, but saying "Knox's Second" etc., only states that "Knox's X means This." It doesn't mean "Knox's X applies here."
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*** Lambda was only able to become the Game Master because Battler consented to it.
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*** My question is, why didn't they wait until the visual novels were finished to write the anime. I mean how do they know they didn't cut out a vital clue to solving the mystery.
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* Why doesn't anyone try to challenge Dlanor's citations of Knox's Decalogue, by claiming the story isn't a Knoxian Mystery. Beato claimed it was a fantasy, and the
Red Truth guarantees that the riddles are solvable, but doesn't say anything about mysteries. And the scene involving Maria's riddle book near the beginning of episode 6 clearly shows that riddles don't follow Knox.
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* Why doesn't anyone try to challenge Dlanor's citations of Knox's Decalogue, by claiming the story isn't a Knoxian Mystery. Beato claimed it was a fantasy, and the
the Red Truth guarantees that the riddles are solvable, but doesn't say anything about mysteries. And the scene involving Maria's riddle book near the beginning of episode 6 clearly shows that riddles don't follow Knox.
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* Battler and Ange's hair color bugs me, no one we've seen has the same hair color. Battler could have conceivably inherited from Non-Asumu Female X, but it wouldn't explain why his half-sister also had red hair.
* Why doesn't anyone try to challenge Dlanor's citations of Knox's Decalogue, by claiming the story isn't a Knoxian Mystery. Beato claimed it was a fantasy, and the
Red Truth guarantees that the riddles are solvable, but doesn't say anything about mysteries. And the scene involving Maria's riddle book near the beginning of episode 6 clearly shows that riddles don't follow Knox.
