History Headscratchers / TwoThousandTwelve

2nd Aug '17 4:12:57 AM ddyingle
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*** There's more than just discomfort involved. There are serious mental and physical health concerns being packed so tight that movement is difficult. One could argue for sticking a second or third person in that room, but not *nine more.* Especially since they had no way of being sure how long they'd be sailing.

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*** There's more than just discomfort involved. There are serious mental and physical health concerns being packed so tight that movement is difficult. One could argue for sticking a second or third person in that room, but not *nine more.* more*. Especially since they had no way of being sure how long they'd be sailing.
2nd Aug '17 4:10:41 AM ddyingle
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*** Yes it is, in the early years at least. The funding would need to be publically released, or else hidden in thousands of tiny slush funds. Slush funding works in the small term -- Its how the CIA gets its money for the year, by having Congress hide it in the national budget. You try hiding several trillion dollars a year for one project, especially in multiple funds, especially when those funds need to be public in order to justify the size (ie, 3 trillion for "healthcare" which never surfaces is fishy).

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*** Yes it is, in the early years at least. The funding would need to be publically released, or else hidden in thousands of tiny slush funds. Slush funding works in the small term -- Its It's how the CIA gets its money for the year, by having Congress hide it in the national budget. You try hiding several trillion dollars a year for one project, especially in multiple funds, especially when those funds need to be public in order to justify the size (ie, 3 trillion for "healthcare" which never surfaces is fishy).
2nd Aug '17 4:01:47 AM ddyingle
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* Okay, maybe Anheiser made a few questionable moves, but why did there have to be a "villain" in this movie? He's got his hands full enough trying to keep a semblance of government alive for humanity, I'd think that alone would weigh heavy on the soul. Also, Adrian's little "lecture" about humanity? I can see how that would move some, but he's also got the leaders of ''Russia and China!''

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* Okay, maybe Anheiser Anheuser made a few questionable moves, but why did there have to be a "villain" in this movie? He's got his hands full enough trying to keep a semblance of government alive for humanity, I'd think that alone would weigh heavy on the soul. Also, Adrian's little "lecture" about humanity? I can see how that would move some, but he's also got the leaders of ''Russia and China!''



** Looked like China was, United States aside, spearheading the entire operation, so why wouldn't the good Chairman want to save as many people as possible? Maybe he was just convinced that they could manage it without damaging the ship (given that he'd probably know the details of the construction), and to be fair, the only reason it was damaged was because of everyone's favourite writer and family. As for including Russia in your argument - don't be so pessimistic! Comrade. Besides, Vladimir Putin jumped into a tiger enclosure to save some journalists, so why wouldn't his fictional counterpart take the same cavalier attitude? TL;DR - China built the arks for humanity and Russia can't really be grouped with that sort of government after, you know, the end of the Cold War.
** I don't see this at all. Despite his position being clashing with Adrian's on some things, he pretty much is the one who put Adrian there in the first place and has a major role in '''saving the human race'''. Also, it's been made pretty clear in the movie that YMMV and both position have their pros and cons and that they both are trying to act for the best of mankind, not ForTheEvulz. They even deleted the scene where Anheiser resorts to petty insults and Adrian punches him out, exactly to reduce his "villainous" role to a WellIntentionedExtremist position.

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** Looked like China was, United States aside, spearheading the entire operation, so why wouldn't the good Chairman want to save as many people as possible? Maybe he was just convinced that they could manage it without damaging the ship (given that he'd probably know the details of the construction), and to be fair, the only reason it was damaged was because of everyone's favourite writer and family. As for including Russia in your argument - don't be so pessimistic! Comrade. Besides, Vladimir Putin jumped into a tiger enclosure to save some journalists, so why wouldn't his fictional counterpart take the same cavalier attitude? TL;DR TL; DR - China built the arks for humanity and Russia can't really be grouped with that sort of government after, you know, the end of the Cold War.
** I don't see this at all. Despite his position being clashing with Adrian's on some things, he pretty much is the one who put Adrian there in the first place and has a major role in '''saving the human race'''. Also, it's been made pretty clear in the movie that YMMV and both position have their pros and cons and that they both are trying to act for the best of mankind, not ForTheEvulz. They even deleted the scene where Anheiser Anheuser resorts to petty insults and Adrian punches him out, exactly to reduce his "villainous" role to a WellIntentionedExtremist position.
2nd Aug '17 3:54:54 AM ddyingle
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*** An entire continent (not to mention one of the largest) rising thousands of feet would probably cause more than just a "few" earthquakes. Lol. Also, any and all volcanic hotspots would likely have erupted. Anyone who managed to survive both of those events would still have to try to breath all of the ash thrown into the air by Yellowstone and any other volcanic eruptions that occured around the world. In other words, if there are survivors in Africa, they are few and far between(which makes anyone whose made jokes about how the Ark survivors will have to deal with Somalian pirates, aids and such when they make landfall look like complete fools).

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*** An entire continent (not to mention one of the largest) rising thousands of feet would probably cause more than just a "few" earthquakes. Lol. Also, any and all volcanic hotspots would likely have erupted. Anyone who managed to survive both of those events would still have to try to breath all of the ash thrown into the air by Yellowstone and any other volcanic eruptions that occured around the world. In other words, if there are survivors in Africa, they are few and far between(which between (which makes anyone whose made jokes about how the Ark survivors will have to deal with Somalian pirates, aids and such when they make landfall look like complete fools).
2nd Aug '17 3:52:40 AM ddyingle
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*** An entire continent(not to mention one of the largest)rising thousands of feet would probably cause more than just a "few" earthquakes. lol Also, any and all volcanic hotspots would likely have erupted. Anyone who managed to survive both of those events would still have to try to breath all of the ash thrown into the air by Yellowstone and any other volcanic eruptions that occured around the world. In other words, if there are survivors in Africa, they are few and far between(which makes anyone whose made jokes about how the Ark survivors will have to deal with Somalian pirates, aids and such when they make landfall look like complete fools).
*** The ending is hilariously lampshaded in "2012 in 15 minutes"

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*** An entire continent(not continent (not to mention one of the largest)rising largest) rising thousands of feet would probably cause more than just a "few" earthquakes. lol Lol. Also, any and all volcanic hotspots would likely have erupted. Anyone who managed to survive both of those events would still have to try to breath all of the ash thrown into the air by Yellowstone and any other volcanic eruptions that occured around the world. In other words, if there are survivors in Africa, they are few and far between(which makes anyone whose made jokes about how the Ark survivors will have to deal with Somalian pirates, aids and such when they make landfall look like complete fools).
*** The ending is hilariously lampshaded in "2012 in 15 minutes" minutes":
2nd Aug '17 3:48:18 AM ddyingle
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*** Three Words: Made In China
*** Not funny dude

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*** Three Words: Made In China
China.
*** Not funny dude dude.



*** I was more annoyed by the fact that even though they were counting on being flooded with severe external forces, they placed the arcs next to one another instead of on four different sides of the mountain

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*** I was more annoyed by the fact that even though they were counting on being flooded with severe external forces, they placed the arcs next to one another instead of on four different sides of the mountainmountain.
2nd Aug '17 3:46:16 AM ddyingle
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*** The 'Arks being spaceships' is a {{RedHerring}}. Also, the neutrino cause is not forgotten; they and their effects just lasted much shorter than they had anticipated and planned for as is evident by what Professor West says near the end of the film.

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*** The 'Arks being spaceships' is a {{RedHerring}}.RedHerring. Also, the neutrino cause is not forgotten; they and their effects just lasted much shorter than they had anticipated and planned for as is evident by what Professor West says near the end of the film.
2nd Aug '17 3:44:00 AM ddyingle
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*** Not to mention that the only reason the central Ark was in such dire straits had nothing to do with design but with external forces which really couldn't be planned for(people sneaking into the ship and mucking up the hydraulics and the extra tidal wave causing the planes at the airfield to be washed into the support structures/anchors)
*** I agree(that they had very little time to build the arks). Although, the time they had to build the Arks was likely far less than two years. The G8 summit, if it happened at the same time it did happen in the real world, would have occurred on the 25th and 26th of June, 2010 ; which would leave about 2 years and a month to plan, organize and then begin building the Arks.

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*** Not to mention that the only reason the central Ark was in such dire straits had nothing to do with design but with external forces which really couldn't be planned for(people for (people sneaking into the ship and mucking up the hydraulics and the extra tidal wave causing the planes at the airfield to be washed into the support structures/anchors)
structures/anchors).
*** I agree(that agree (that they had very little time to build the arks). Although, the time they had to build the Arks was likely far less than two years. The G8 summit, if it happened at the same time it did happen in the real world, would have occurred on the 25th and 26th of June, 2010 ; which would leave about 2 years and a month to plan, organize and then begin building the Arks.
2nd Aug '17 3:35:55 AM ddyingle
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* I managed to successfully suspend disbelief thorough the whole film, but the ending just bugged the hell out of me. I mean, are were supposed to accept that after only one month of such cataclysmic geological event tearing apart the planet, mother earth is once again ready to accept humanity on its surface, with the sun smiling in approval at these people about to inherit a brave new world? Just the Yellowstone Caldera becoming a Supervolcano, just that, would have changed earth's climate for decades, if not hundred of years. And similar catastrophic eruptions were happening EVERYWHERE in the world. Not only that, but isn't one month too little time for the earth's crust stabilizing after literally being liquefied by the magical mutant neutrinos? The fact that an entire tectonic plate JUST had risen up like that shows that no, the surface certainly isn't yet a safe place. Plus, wouldn't the continent of Africa (is it even Africa anymore?) be completely inhabitable after all the earthquakes and being underwater for a full month? Too much, too much!

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* I managed to successfully suspend disbelief thorough the whole film, but the ending just bugged the hell out of me. I mean, are were we supposed to accept that after only one month of such cataclysmic geological event tearing apart the planet, mother earth is once again ready to accept humanity on its surface, with the sun smiling in approval at these people about to inherit a brave new world? Just the Yellowstone Caldera becoming a Supervolcano, just that, would have changed earth's climate for decades, if not hundred of years. And similar catastrophic eruptions were happening EVERYWHERE in the world. Not only that, but isn't one month too little time for the earth's crust stabilizing after literally being liquefied by the magical mutant neutrinos? The fact that an entire tectonic plate JUST had risen up like that shows that no, the surface certainly isn't yet a safe place. Plus, wouldn't the continent of Africa (is it even Africa anymore?) be completely inhabitable after all the earthquakes and being underwater for a full month? Too much, too much!
2nd Aug '17 3:31:48 AM ddyingle
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* JBM: How exactly would you keep the "End of The World" a "secret?" At least in The Core (A slightly less bad movie than this) actively keeping the public in the dark was "addressed" (handwaved?).In this movie's universe there are apparently no geologists, astrophysicists, seismologists, oil companies, mining companies, investigative journalists, bureaucrats leaking information for personal gain and no Internet.

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* JBM: How exactly would you keep the "End of The World" a "secret?" At least in The Core (A slightly less bad movie than this) actively keeping the public in the dark was "addressed" (handwaved?). In this movie's universe there are apparently no geologists, astrophysicists, seismologists, oil companies, mining companies, investigative journalists, bureaucrats leaking information for personal gain and no Internet.
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