History Headscratchers / TwoThousandTwelve

1st Apr '17 4:53:08 PM Mario500
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* The arks seem to be rather poorly designed, as two tons of rock dropping on the roof was enough to halt the launching of one, and an extension cord and a jackhammer was enough to stop another. What kind of an idiot designs a boat whose engine can't be used without sealing the hatch? A goddamn submarine can use its engine without sealing its hatch...

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* The arks seem to be rather poorly designed, as two tons of rock dropping on the roof was enough to halt the launching of one, and an extension cord and a jackhammer was enough to stop another. What kind of an idiot designs a boat whose engine can't be used without sealing the hatch? A goddamn submarine can use its engine without sealing its hatch...



*** Their civilization just collapsed; the Mayan people are still around in the Yucatan, and some are still practicing their religion. And they're confused as fuck over the fact that white people believe the world is going to end in 2012. But if something did happen like in the movie, option C actually makes the most sense (Occam's Razor isn't a law, but a heuristic tool) - if the Mayan priesthood made a prediction and it's right, and the event violates all laws of physics, meteorology, and common sense (so is therefore supernatural), and it doesn't seem to correspond with any other religions... well the goddamn Mayan Gods are real.

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*** Their civilization just collapsed; the Mayan people are still around in the Yucatan, and some are still practicing their religion. And they're confused as fuck over the fact that white people believe the world is going to end in 2012. But if something did happen like in the movie, option C actually makes the most sense (Occam's Razor isn't a law, but a heuristic tool) - if the Mayan priesthood made a prediction and it's right, and the event violates all laws of physics, meteorology, and common sense (so is therefore supernatural), and it doesn't seem to correspond with any other religions... well well, the goddamn Mayan Gods are real.



*** You can just HandWave it, enough crazy shit happens in the movie to ignore it.

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*** You can just HandWave it, since there is enough crazy shit happens action in the movie to ignore keep someone from noticing it.



** Looked like China was, United States aside, spearheading the entire operation, so why wouldn't the good Chairman want to save as many people as possible? Maybe he was just convinced that they could manage it without damaging the ship (given that he'd probably know the details of the construction), and to be fair, the only reason it was damaged was because of everyone's favourite writer and family. As for including Russia in your argument - don't be so pessimistic! Comrade. Besides, Vladimir Putin jumped into a fucking tiger enclosure to save some journalists, so why wouldn't his fictional counterpart take the same cavalier attitude? TL;DR - China built the damn Arks for humanity and Russia can't really be grouped with that sort of government after, you know, the end of the Cold War.

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** Looked like China was, United States aside, spearheading the entire operation, so why wouldn't the good Chairman want to save as many people as possible? Maybe he was just convinced that they could manage it without damaging the ship (given that he'd probably know the details of the construction), and to be fair, the only reason it was damaged was because of everyone's favourite writer and family. As for including Russia in your argument - don't be so pessimistic! Comrade. Besides, Vladimir Putin jumped into a fucking tiger enclosure to save some journalists, so why wouldn't his fictional counterpart take the same cavalier attitude? TL;DR - China built the damn Arks arks for humanity and Russia can't really be grouped with that sort of government after, you know, the end of the Cold War.



* Am I the only one who kinda want to see a followup of this with survivors that go to Africa and fucking murders the bastards who left them to die horribly? Seriously, not only did the rich and powerful get to lord over us before, but now they get to survive the end of the world?

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* Am I the only one who kinda want to see a followup of this with survivors that go to Africa and fucking murders the bastards folks who left them to die horribly? Seriously, not only did the rich and powerful get to lord over us before, but now they get to survive the end of the world?
1st Apr '17 4:39:26 PM Mario500
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** I think that was just the animator being cute. Also it can be assumed that the cycle is meant to have been around SINCE the dinosaurs at least. Nevermind that the idea of the continents violently shifting every half-million years or so is rather ludicrous (albeit based on outdated science).

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** I think that was just the animator being cute. Also it can be assumed that the cycle is meant to have been around SINCE since the dinosaurs at least. Nevermind that the idea of the continents violently shifting every half-million years or so is rather ludicrous (albeit based on outdated science).



*** Actually, the Olympics are threatened to be cancelled due to the London riots, ''NOT'' due to the world supposedly ending.

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*** Actually, the Olympics are threatened to be cancelled due to the London riots, ''NOT'' ''not'' due to the world supposedly ending.



*** I agree(that they had very little time to build the arks). Although, the time they had to build the Arks was likely far less than two years. The G8 summit, if it happened at the same time it did happen in the real world, would have occurred on the 25th and 26th of June, 2010 ; which would leave about 2 years and a month to plan, organize and THEN begin building the Arks.

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*** I agree(that they had very little time to build the arks). Although, the time they had to build the Arks was likely far less than two years. The G8 summit, if it happened at the same time it did happen in the real world, would have occurred on the 25th and 26th of June, 2010 ; which would leave about 2 years and a month to plan, organize and THEN then begin building the Arks.



** '''''HOW''''' would they have escaped the flooding? The film ends with "Africa has risen" which kinda involves the continent having been, well, under water for a while. Not to mention the very, very uncomfortable feeling I got from the film of "Oh hey, isn't it great? We finally have Africa without the Africans!"...sigh.

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** '''''HOW''''' '''''How''''' would they have escaped the flooding? The film ends with "Africa has risen" which kinda involves the continent having been, well, under water for a while. Not to mention the very, very uncomfortable feeling I got from the film of "Oh hey, isn't it great? We finally have Africa without the Africans!"...sigh.



-----> The many survivors in Africa: "Aw, HELLZ NO!"

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-----> The many survivors in Africa: "Aw, HELLZ NO!"hellz no!"



* '' '''THE ENTIRE GODDAMN PREMISE OF THE FILM. ''' '' Good god, it would have been a thousand times better if they hadn't tied it in to that whole Mayan thing.

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* '' '''THE ENTIRE GODDAMN PREMISE OF THE FILM. '''The entire premise of the film. ''' '' Good god, it It would have been a thousand times better if they hadn't tied it in to that whole Mayan thing.



*** It's essentially like the turn of the millenium to the Mayans - really cool and worth celebrating, but not DOOM.

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*** It's essentially like the turn of the millenium to the Mayans - really cool and worth celebrating, but not DOOM.doom.



** I don't see this at all. Despite his position being clashing with Adrian's on some things, he pretty much is the one who put Adrian there in the first place and has a major role in '''SAVING THE GODDAMN HUMAN RACE'''. Also, it's been made pretty clear in the movie that YMMV and both position have their pros and cons and that they both are trying to act for the best of mankind, not ForTheEvulz. They even deleted the scene where Anheiser resorts to petty insults and Adrian punches him out, exactly to reduce his "villainous" role to a WellIntentionedExtremist position.

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** I don't see this at all. Despite his position being clashing with Adrian's on some things, he pretty much is the one who put Adrian there in the first place and has a major role in '''SAVING THE GODDAMN HUMAN RACE'''.'''saving the human race'''. Also, it's been made pretty clear in the movie that YMMV and both position have their pros and cons and that they both are trying to act for the best of mankind, not ForTheEvulz. They even deleted the scene where Anheiser resorts to petty insults and Adrian punches him out, exactly to reduce his "villainous" role to a WellIntentionedExtremist position.



*** The entire premise pissed me off. I really, REALLY hope that the series they're making will have survivors who survived through other means will find their way to Africa and take revenge on the people who, you know, abandoned them to die horribly.

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*** The entire premise pissed me off. I really, REALLY really hope that the series they're making will have survivors who survived through other means will find their way to Africa and take revenge on the people who, you know, abandoned them to die horribly.



*** Still doesn't make any sense. The movie is supposed to be based around Dec. 21, 2012, but as it happens six months early, it's JUNE 21st. The 2012 Olympics start on JULY 27th.

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*** Still doesn't make any sense. The movie is supposed to be based around Dec. 21, 2012, but as it happens six months early, it's JUNE June 21st. The 2012 Olympics start on JULY July 27th.



** Because "religion is an empty promise in a cold, uncaring world" is a major theme of the movie. You can't have the Pope or any high-ranking religious figure survive because, being religious, obviously they would sit in their church or mosque or whatever and pray it out while completely ignoring the lifesaving '''SCIENCE''' that only practical, secular governments and businessmen are smart enough to utilize. The only reason the filmmakers didn't show Mecca disappearing into a giant hole in the ground is because they were afraid of getting a fatwa issued against them...but they certainly wished they could have.
*** That's a broken moral then, because the Mayan religion was nothing but a (full?) promise that turned out to be correct. ALL PRAISE KUKULKAN! MAY HE AND THE HOWLER MONKEY GODS PRESERVE OUR CULTURE! WE MUST FEED THE MONKEYS MAIZE!

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** Because "religion is an empty promise in a cold, uncaring world" is a major theme of the movie. You can't have the Pope or any high-ranking religious figure survive because, being religious, obviously they would sit in their church or mosque or whatever and pray it out while completely ignoring the lifesaving '''SCIENCE''' '''science''' that only practical, secular governments and businessmen are smart enough to utilize. The only reason the filmmakers didn't show Mecca disappearing into a giant hole in the ground is because they were afraid of getting a fatwa issued against them...but they certainly wished they could have.
*** That's a broken moral then, because the Mayan religion was nothing but a (full?) promise that turned out to be correct. ALL PRAISE KUKULKAN! MAY HE AND THE HOWLER MONKEY GODS PRESERVE OUR CULTURE! WE MUST FEED THE MONKEYS MAIZE!All praise Kukulkan! May he and the howler monkey gods preserve our culture! We must feed the monkeys maize!



* Am I the only one who kinda want to see a followup of this with survivors that go to Africa and fucking murders the bastards who left them to die horribly? Seriously, not only did the rich and powerful get to lord over us before, but now they get to survive the end of the world? Fuck. That.

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* Am I the only one who kinda want to see a followup of this with survivors that go to Africa and fucking murders the bastards who left them to die horribly? Seriously, not only did the rich and powerful get to lord over us before, but now they get to survive the end of the world? Fuck. That.



*** Overall, the point is "We have a bigger fish to fry (i.e THE EXTINCTION OF THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE), no time for petty class wars" (be they justified or not).

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*** Overall, the point is "We have a bigger fish to fry (i.e THE EXTINCTION OF THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE), the extinction of the entire human race), no time for petty class wars" (be they justified or not).
9th Jan '17 4:41:52 AM MeerkatMario
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** I was playing my Gameboy Color just last night. And for that matter, I ''hate'' smart phones.

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** I was playing my Gameboy Game Boy Color just last night. And for that matter, I ''hate'' smart phones.phones.
** The film came out in ''2009''. [=PSPs=] were still at their peak at the time.
26th Nov '16 12:52:42 PM Sharlee
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*** Simple: If they'd shown cows or whatever standing on the platforms, it wouldn't have been as clear that they were saving ''wild'' animals and thus, conserve species, rather than turn them into hamburgers. And giraffes and elephants are among the few animals large and distinctive-looking enough to be recognized instantly as exotic wildlife in those hanging-from-helicopters shots.

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*** Simple: If they'd shown cows or whatever standing on the platforms, it wouldn't have been as clear that they were saving ''wild'' animals and thus, conserve species, conserving species other than our own, rather than planning to turn them into hamburgers. And giraffes and elephants are among the few animals large and distinctive-looking enough to be recognized instantly as exotic wildlife in those hanging-from-helicopters shots.
26th Nov '16 12:51:37 PM Sharlee
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*** Simple: If they'd shown cows or whatever standing on the platforms, it wouldn't have been as clear that they were saving ''wild'' animals and thus, conserve species, rather than turn them into hamburgers. And giraffes and elephants are among the few animals large and distinctive-looking enough to be recognized instantly as exotic wildlife in those hanging-from-helicopters shots.
26th Nov '16 12:45:14 PM Sharlee
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*** The answer is really very simple: in extreme situations, '''people don't always act rationally!'''

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*** Hell, Jackson ''could'' have just asked Charlie ''where the map led'', since Charlie'd clearly looked at it before.
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The answer is really very simple: in extreme situations, '''people don't always act rationally!'''
26th Nov '16 12:35:04 PM Sharlee
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** The last parting shot of L.A. out the plane's window appears to account for it: the areas we see falling into the depths weren't just dropping into nothingness; the whole coastline was ''tipping upwards'' in miles-long chunks, and their elevated edges were crumbling off under their own weight.
26th Nov '16 12:29:39 PM Sharlee
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** Of course, if every nation was left to build its own vessels or refuges, you'd probably wind up with stronger nations invading weaker ones to seize control of ''their'' ships. Getting every major nation in on a common endeavor at least averts the risk of the calamity being made worse by having a bunch of wars kick off in the final months of the countdown to Armageddon.
3rd Sep '16 4:12:40 AM Sharlee
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* Even if we excuse bringing the elephants and giraffes on the Ark as a token gesture, why was it considered necessary to bring the ''artwork'' on board the ships at all...? Sure, they wouldn't want such treasures destroyed, but there's no need for paintings and statues to be tended to around the clock, like living animals have to be: they don't actually ''need'' to be stored in the same vessels that humans and their food supply will be living on. Why not carve out some impenetrable underground warehouse in a geologically-stable location, seal it thoroughly against moisture and flooding, and leave the art there until the survivors can go back and dig it up again? It's not as if art-theft is going to be a major concern in the aftermath of the disaster, when food and shelter will be far more prized than Michaelangelo's ''David''.

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* Even if we excuse bringing the elephants and giraffes on the Ark as a token gesture, why was it considered necessary to bring the ''artwork'' on board the ships at all...? Sure, they wouldn't want such treasures destroyed, but there's no need for paintings and statues to be tended to around the clock, like living animals have to be: they don't actually ''need'' to be stored in the same vessels that humans and their food supply animals will be living on. Why not carve out some impenetrable underground warehouse in a geologically-stable location, seal it thoroughly against moisture and flooding, and leave the art there until the survivors can go back and dig it up again? It's not as if art-theft is going to be a major concern in the aftermath of the disaster, when food and shelter will be far more prized than Michaelangelo's ''David''.
3rd Sep '16 4:11:54 AM Sharlee
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* why were the Vegas authorities so intent on preventing the Antonov from escaping anyways? and why were there still people in the towers at all?

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* why Why were the Vegas authorities so intent on preventing the Antonov from escaping anyways? and why were there still people in the towers at all?all?
** Sometimes, when peoples' brains freeze up from sheer shock, they default to doing whatever they're used to doing, mechanically. The flight control worker was probably in the same state as a housewife who, informed that her whole family just got killed in a car crash, numbly wanders back into the kitchen and starts preparing dinner for them.
* Even if we excuse bringing the elephants and giraffes on the Ark as a token gesture, why was it considered necessary to bring the ''artwork'' on board the ships at all...? Sure, they wouldn't want such treasures destroyed, but there's no need for paintings and statues to be tended to around the clock, like living animals have to be: they don't actually ''need'' to be stored in the same vessels that humans and their food supply will be living on. Why not carve out some impenetrable underground warehouse in a geologically-stable location, seal it thoroughly against moisture and flooding, and leave the art there until the survivors can go back and dig it up again? It's not as if art-theft is going to be a major concern in the aftermath of the disaster, when food and shelter will be far more prized than Michaelangelo's ''David''.
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