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** The date marked in the calendar is not actually January, is the 27th day of the first month of the first year of a new Era. The new human calendar started, in canon, the day the Arks set ashore.
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**** not to mention the sheer amount of crap in the air would absolutely 1000% foul up any aeroplane's engines, fuel line and everything else...
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** Said pyroclastic cloud seems to have magically vanished by the end of the movie. While we're at that, a gigantic eruption like that of Yellowstone didn't have much of an impact on post-crisis climate. [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Tambora Smaller]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinatubo eruptions]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Chichón than that]] have been known to mess up the climate for months, if not years... What do you mean, it was probably drowned under a megatsunami? But [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1883_eruption_of_Krakatoa volcano + water]] = [[StuffBlowingUp Even]] [[FromBadToWorse more]] [[UpToEleven problematic!]]

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** Said pyroclastic cloud seems to have magically vanished by the end of the movie. While we're at that, a gigantic eruption like that of Yellowstone didn't have much of an impact on post-crisis climate. [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Tambora Smaller]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinatubo eruptions]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Chichón than that]] have been known to mess up the climate for months, if not years... What do you mean, it was probably drowned under a megatsunami? But [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1883_eruption_of_Krakatoa volcano + water]] = [[StuffBlowingUp Even]] [[FromBadToWorse more]] [[UpToEleven more problematic!]]
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** For all Jackson knows, Charlie stashed maps in lots of places. If he just grabbed all the maps he could see, he has no guarantee that the map he wants is going to be among them, and by the time he finds out, it would be too late to go back.
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* When Jackson is looking for the right map in Charlie's van... why doesn't he grab ''all the maps'' and not hold his party up at the plane??? Like, okay, RuleOfDrama, but ''why???''

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* When Jackson is looking for the right map in Charlie's van... why doesn't he grab ''all the maps'' and not hold his party up at the plane??? plane? Like, okay, RuleOfDrama, but ''why???''
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* When Jackson is looking for the right map in Charlie's van... why doesn't he grab 'all the maps' and not hold his party up at the plane??? Like, okay, RuleOfDrama, but 'why???'

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* When Jackson is looking for the right map in Charlie's van... why doesn't he grab 'all ''all the maps' maps'' and not hold his party up at the plane??? Like, okay, RuleOfDrama, but 'why???'''why???''
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* When Jackson is looking for the right map in Charlie's van... why doesn't he grab 'all the maps' and not hold his party up at the plane??? Like, okay, RuleOfDrama, but 'why???'
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*** Earth's continental crust is 30–70 km thick, the oceanic crustal thickness is 6–12 km. Your argument doesn't exist.
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** The Yellowstone volcano going super-eruption is supposed to be an every 600,000 year thing.
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** My guess is that it's a lost-a-decimal-place flub, meant to make Woody's video seem more like he doesn't necessarily know what he's talking about. He ''should'' have said 65 ''million'' years, but by having him get it wrong, the writers hoped to build suspense as to whether his entire "secret arks in China" story is bogus too.

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** My guess is that it's a lost-a-decimal-place flub, meant to make Woody's Charlie's video seem more like he doesn't necessarily know what he's talking about. He ''should'' have said 65 ''million'' years, but by having him get it wrong, the writers hoped to build suspense as to whether his entire "secret arks in China" story is bogus too.
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** If they'd opted to go with a December date, the volcanic ash falling all over North America would've looked too much like snow to seem appropriately-shocking.

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** If they'd opted to go stick with a December date, date for the movie's events, the volcanic ash falling all over North America would've looked too much like snow to seem appropriately-shocking.
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** If they'd opted to go with a December date, the volcanic ash falling all over North America would've looked too much like snow to seem appropriately-shocking.
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** My guess is that it's a lost-a-decimal-place flub, meant to make Woody's video seem more like he doesn't necessarily know what he's talking about. He ''should'' have said 65 ''million'' years, but by having him get it wrong, the writers hoped to build suspense as to whether his entire "secret arks in China" story is bogus too.
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* As the Antonov is preparing to ditch in the South China Sea, Gordon makes an offhand remark that at least they won't need the landing gear because "we lost it, in Vegas" - and, sure enough, we saw half of the main gear take crippling damage on screen. So how was the whole "refuel in Hawaii" plan supposed to work if they couldn't land and take off again? [[note]]Sure, you can ''land'' without the gear down, but the plane sure won't be usable for at least a good long while.[[/note]]

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*** Simple: If they'd shown cows or whatever standing on the platforms, it wouldn't have been as clear that they were saving ''wild'' animals and thus, conserving species other than our own, rather than planning to turn them into hamburgers. And giraffes and elephants are among the few animals large and distinctive-looking enough to be recognized instantly as exotic wildlife in those hanging-from-helicopters shots.

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*** Simple: If they'd shown cows or whatever standing on The whole saving animals scenes was an attempt by Emmerich to invoke Noah's Ark but for the platforms, it wouldn't have been as clear XXI century.Realistically there is no reason to save elephants or rhinos never mind the fact that they were saving ''wild'' need a lot more than 2 per species.Not to mention all of these animals need to be fed and thus, conserving species other than our own, rather than planning to turn them into hamburgers. And giraffes and elephants are among the few animals kept in an enclosed space meaning a large and distinctive-looking number of individuals would be used just for that.Not to mention the fact that if they considered rhinos important enough to be recognized instantly as exotic wildlife in save then pretty much every species of animal that is at least somewhat recognisable is on those hanging-from-helicopters shots.ships.Meaning a good chunk of them are occupied with just wild animals many of whom will not survive the drastically changed climate following this apocalypse.Maybe RuleOfCool doesn't work all the time?
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** Don't let it bother you too much; everybody's dead soon, anyway. If the entirety of Africa rose by several thousand meters and Asia sank, the Earth is going to be incredibly misshapen. It won't be stable like that. So you're either going to get a planet that has to go through ''another'' colossal shift until it's stable again, or its orbit is going to become so erratic that it's not survivable, or - this will make for some ''great'' visuals for the sequel - the entire Earth will just tear itself apart. Handwave your way out of ''that'' one, Emmerich.
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*** Granted, although there's an invention - fairly new, only about 1500 years old - that solves both problems: shutters. Since the entire sides of the arks are giant shutters (which is just ridiculous on the face of it), slapping some shutters over the bridge windows would've been a prudent move. Then again, since the bridge windows don't even have ''one'' clearview screen[[note]](To the uninitiated: a clearview screen (or clear view screen, separate words) is the round feature you see on at least two bridge windows of large ships. They're a two-layer window, with the outside pane mounted on a motor at the middle of the circle. When turned on, the outside pane spins incredibly fast - about 1500 RPM - ensuring that no precipitation will stick to it and you'll be able to see outside no matter how bad the weather is.)[[/note]] it's pretty obvious the designers were pretty much out to lunch.


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*** Honestly, the whole project reeks of graft and poorly placed priorities. Giant shutters covering the staterooms (essentially the entire sides of the ships) and a ''telescoping bridge tower''; ignorance of basic marine architecture design safety; exposed, unshielded, mission-critical gearing and hardware (or any death-certainty machinery at all, really); lack of sealable bulkheads; large, open internal spaces (which can create a free-surface effect and end up capsizing the stupid thing); no propulsion redundancies; failsafes that are actually fail-deadly (e.g. can't fire the engines with a ''door open'')[[note]]By definition, a fail-''safe'' means that if the system fails, it fails in such a way that operators/passengers/the public are safe, whereas fail-''deadly'' means that unless everything's in perfect order, everybody's screwed[[/note]]; choosing to launch these giant, heavy ships in a valley that will flood chaotically and is bordered by sharp, hard-rock formations and yet building a hull like the Exxon Valdez...whoever was in charge of these decisions deserves to be left standing on the shore with an inner tube, a dunce cap, and a pink slip.
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** It's actually entirely plausible that radio communications of all types would've been out of action for the duration. This is for two reasons: solar storms can play havoc with radios, and with an event the magnitude of the one shown in the film, it would be completely expected that no radio communication would be possible; volcanic ash clouds can produce tons of static electricity - given the ash plume expected from a supervolcano eruption, the amount of "noise" the cloud would produce would blot out radio communications over a wide area.
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*** Not to be a bugaboo here, but the original post was right insofar as the volcano takeoff goes. In the Mythbusters case, they were taking off from an improvised treadmill, which would only affect the wheel speed. But in the film's case, they're being chased by a large airmass. This would affect the speed of the air over the wings and prevent a takeoff. Think of it as encountering a massive tailwind, one moving faster than the plane's takeoff speed. Unless you can out-accelerate ''that'', the plane's not going to lift. (It also has exactly zero chance of outrunning that pyroclastic flow.) But, as was said, RuleOfCool.
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** Or in {{Troperithmetic}}: DerailingLoveInterests + FirstFatherWins + HeroicSacrifice = ForgottenFallenFriend.

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** Or in {{Troperithmetic}}: {{JustForFun/Troperithmetic}}: DerailingLoveInterests + FirstFatherWins + HeroicSacrifice = ForgottenFallenFriend.
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** No, the real headscratcher is how those animals didn't freeze to death. Giraffes and elephants are tropical animals that need a warm climate to survive. To give you an example even in a tropical country like Costa Rica they keep their giraffes in a zoo locate in the hotest coastal province of Guanacaste that ressembles the African climate the closest, as giraffes couldn't survive the colder climate of the central valley. If a giraffe would die of cold in San Jose, Costa Rica what possibilities it has of surviving in the Himalayas?


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** Whether valuable or not is very subjective. They are planning to recreate human civilization at some point and most of this arwork is irreplaceable. Future generations might want to see them, and it probably does not take as much space or resources as might be thought as art has to be seal in close compartments to be protected. Might sound frivolous but is actually what governments do in real life, lots of resources are taken on safeguarding historically valuable areas, even in countries with population living under the poverty line. About "Why not carve out some impenetrable underground warehouse in a geologically-stable location", there is no geologically-stable locations anywhere, they think the entire Earth's crust is going to melt.
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** Emmerich obviously wanted to give a political message as subtle as an anvil, but not quite unrealistic. Nevertheless most politicians are intellectuals, administrators, scientist and the like, with the exception of military dictatorships, most people in high ranking offices are there because they exceed in some profesional and intellectual field. Merkel is a scientists for example. Billionaires on the other hand are pretty useless, specially those that heir their fortunes (the ones that make it may at least be useful in some ways). The irony here is that, unless they saved some common people, all the hard work that was gonna be needed to recreate the civilization (like growing food and build houses) would have to be done by rich people (although I guess now would be done by the workers they let in).

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** Emmerich obviously wanted to give a political message as subtle as an anvil, but not quite unrealistic. Nevertheless most politicians are intellectuals, administrators, scientist scientists and the like, with the exception of military dictatorships, most people in high ranking offices are there because they exceed in some profesional and intellectual field. Merkel is a scientists for example. Billionaires on the other hand are pretty useless, specially those that heir inherit their fortunes (the ones that make it may at least be useful in some ways). The irony here is that, unless they saved some common people, all the hard work that was gonna be needed to recreate the civilization (like growing food and build houses) would have to be done by rich people (although I guess now would be done by the workers they let in).
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* Emmerich obviously wanted to give a political message as subtle as an anvil, but not quite unrealistic. Nevertheless most politicians are intellectuals, administrators, scientist and the like, with the exception of military dictatorships, most people in high ranking offices are there because they exceed in some profesional and intellectual field. Merkel is a scientists for example. Billionaires on the other hand are pretty useless, specially those that heir their fortunes (the ones that make it may at least be useful in some ways). The irony here is that, unless they saved some common people, all the hard work that was gonna be needed to recreate the civilization (like growing food and build houses) would have to be done by rich people (although I guess now would be done by the workers they let in).

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* ** Emmerich obviously wanted to give a political message as subtle as an anvil, but not quite unrealistic. Nevertheless most politicians are intellectuals, administrators, scientist and the like, with the exception of military dictatorships, most people in high ranking offices are there because they exceed in some profesional and intellectual field. Merkel is a scientists for example. Billionaires on the other hand are pretty useless, specially those that heir their fortunes (the ones that make it may at least be useful in some ways). The irony here is that, unless they saved some common people, all the hard work that was gonna be needed to recreate the civilization (like growing food and build houses) would have to be done by rich people (although I guess now would be done by the workers they let in).
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* Emmerich obviously wanted to give a political message as subtle as an anvil, but not quite unrealistic. Nevertheless most politicians are intellectuals, administrators, scientist and the like, with the exception of military dictatorships, most people in high ranking offices are there because they exceed in some profesional and intellectual field. Merkel is a scientists for example. Billionaires on the other hand are pretty useless, specially those that heir their fortunes (the ones that make it may at least be useful in some ways). The irony here is that, unless they saved some common people, all the hard work that was gonna be needed to recreate the civilization (like growing food and build houses) would have to be done by rich people (although I guess now would be done by the workers they let in).
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*** I think we can be pretty sure every Cardinal or Mufti or any other African died after one month under water.
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** There's probably an issue about secrecy. If they let the survival to each nation sooner or later the poorer countries would make thing public when they find themselves unable to make a funcional surviving flotilla (I mean there are countries that literally do not have an army, do you really think the Palau Islands are going to be able to build even ONE ark?), thus the best way to maintain the secrecy needed is to buy the silence of the poorer nations inviting them in.

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** There's probably an issue about secrecy. If they let the survival to each nation sooner or later the poorer countries would make thing things public when they find themselves unable to make a funcional surviving flotilla (I mean there are countries that literally do not have an army, do you really think the Palau Islands are going to be able to build even ONE ark?), thus the best way to maintain the secrecy needed is to buy the silence of the poorer nations inviting them in.
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** Disregarding common stereotypes, Russia's government is authoritarian but is not as cruel as some people think; it has a moratory on death penalty, Russia's prisons are recognized as one of the most humane in the developed world and they invest a lot of aid in developing nations. China's government is as cruel, but on the other hand the working was done on their land, thus most of the workers were theirs, making sense that they would want to let them in.


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** There's probably an issue about secrecy. If they let the survival to each nation sooner or later the poorer countries would make thing public when they find themselves unable to make a funcional surviving flotilla (I mean there are countries that literally do not have an army, do you really think the Palau Islands are going to be able to build even ONE ark?), thus the best way to maintain the secrecy needed is to buy the silence of the poorer nations inviting them in.

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