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*** Alternately: [[JerkassWoobie people who were so taken in by his tragic backstory]] that they'll buy one and treat him well in the thoughts that "So yeah, you acted like a CompleteMonster who crossed the MoralEventHorizon, but [[StarWars there's still some good in you]] and [[LoveRedeems all you wanted was to be loved, so I'll give that to you]]."

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*** Alternately: [[JerkassWoobie people who were so taken in by his tragic backstory]] that they'll buy one and treat him well in the thoughts that "So yeah, you "You acted like a CompleteMonster who crossed the MoralEventHorizon, but [[StarWars there's still some good in you]] and [[LoveRedeems all you wanted was to be loved, so I'll give that to you]]."



** First of all, which tropes are you refering to that are "dedicated" to the negative reviews? Secondly, I agree that some of the reaction to the negative reviews has been a little excessisve, but you need to understand that Nerd Rage is a very powerful force, particularly on the internet, which gives an outlet to said Nerd Rage. And when you look closely at it, much of the anger is very much justified. There are exactly ''3'' negative reviews out of nearly 200, and for the first day and a half after the film's release, it had a score of 100%, just like Toy Story and Toy Story 2. Admittedly, a perfect score for the whole trilogy isn't that big of a deal in the grand scheme or things, but it is dissapointing that it didn't happen, particularly since there is something wrong with all three negative reviews. One of them is Armond White, who everybody who follows Rotten Tomatoes hates because he is very clearly a {{Troll}}, who gives good reviews to bad movies and bad reviews to good movies for the sole purpose of attention and to screw up the RT score. The second is some nobody with a film blog who is seeking attention the same way White is and by all accounts shouldn't be counted as a film critic by RT. Finally, there is Cole Smithey, who deserves the least of the fan backlash because he's a legitimate critic with an honest slightly negative opinion of the movie, but his reasons for giving the movie a rotten rating ammounted to "the 3D wasn't good, the toys were out of character, and the movie was too scary and mature for younger audiences to be rated G." SoYeah, none of the 3 rotten reviews deserve to be taken seriously, and yet RT is taking them seriously enough to allow them to sully the reputation of an otherwise practically perfect series of films. As for the "just shut up and enjoy the movie" argument, I won't deny its validity, but for many people it's the principle of the thing, and for others, the knowledge that an entire legion of professional film critics said that this series of films was SoCoolItsAwesome does in fact add to the enjoyment of series, and are upset at that the mere three people who, for very stupid reasons, dared to take that from them.

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** First of all, which tropes are you refering to that are "dedicated" to the negative reviews? Secondly, I agree that some of the reaction to the negative reviews has been a little excessisve, but you need to understand that Nerd Rage is a very powerful force, particularly on the internet, which gives an outlet to said Nerd Rage. And when you look closely at it, much of the anger is very much justified. There are exactly ''3'' negative reviews out of nearly 200, and for the first day and a half after the film's release, it had a score of 100%, just like Toy Story and Toy Story 2. Admittedly, a perfect score for the whole trilogy isn't that big of a deal in the grand scheme or things, but it is dissapointing that it didn't happen, particularly since there is something wrong with all three negative reviews. One of them is Armond White, who everybody who follows Rotten Tomatoes hates because he is very clearly a {{Troll}}, who gives good reviews to bad movies and bad reviews to good movies for the sole purpose of attention and to screw up the RT score. The second is some nobody with a film blog who is seeking attention the same way White is and by all accounts shouldn't be counted as a film critic by RT. Finally, there is Cole Smithey, who deserves the least of the fan backlash because he's a legitimate critic with an honest slightly negative opinion of the movie, but his reasons for giving the movie a rotten rating ammounted to "the 3D wasn't good, the toys were out of character, and the movie was too scary and mature for younger audiences to be rated G." SoYeah, none None of the 3 rotten reviews deserve to be taken seriously, and yet RT is taking them seriously enough to allow them to sully the reputation of an otherwise practically perfect series of films. As for the "just shut up and enjoy the movie" argument, I won't deny its validity, but for many people it's the principle of the thing, and for others, the knowledge that an entire legion of professional film critics said that this series of films was SoCoolItsAwesome does in fact add to the enjoyment of series, and are upset at that the mere three people who, for very stupid reasons, dared to take that from them.
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* Maybe they all got out of the toybox after Andy went to sleep so they could spread out comfortably. Woody was just too depressed to join them.

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* Maybe they all got out of the toybox after Andy went to sleep so they could spread out comfortably. Woody was just too depressed to join them.them.

[[WMG: Shouldn't Woody and Jessie have stuck to the magnet in the trash sorting machine? If they were made in the 50's, surely their voiceboxes would be made of metal?]]
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***Gee, thanks. Now I will never be able to watch Toy Story again.
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***** Oh come on, "mutilated"? He wasn't mutilated in the slightest, don't be so overdramatic.
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* Not all ''[[NayTheist worship]]'' The Claaaaaw.
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*** Yup. [[spoiler: Considering that their normal expression is their base state, the toy equivalent of rigor mortis probably does the trick- return to original expression as they lose the ability to move on their own instead of stiffening]]

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** [[spoiler: Even if they're dead?]]



* To keep the dust off him?)

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* To keep the dust off him?)him?
* Maybe they all got out of the toybox after Andy went to sleep so they could spread out comfortably. Woody was just too depressed to join them.
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** Big hole in that reasoning: Woody can say things that aren't in his voicebox. Buzz can also say things that aren't in his voice chip, though [[OrSoIHeard it does change to Spanish Tim Allen if he is reset to another language]].

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** Big hole in that reasoning: Woody can say things that aren't in his voicebox. Buzz can also say things that aren't in his voice chip, though [[OrSoIHeard it does change to Spanish Tim Allen if he is reset to another language]].language.



*** There is a Buzz doll out there that does everything the movie Buzz does except the karate attack. OrSoIHeard.

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*** There is a Buzz doll out there that does everything the movie Buzz does except the karate attack. OrSoIHeard.

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*** Another possibility is that Andy is the only kid to play with Woody. [[WildMassGuessing Perhaps he was part of the final run of the series, with the line being shut down sometime after cancellation. With the line discontinued, Woody was never sold with the rest of the set. He languishes in some old toy store or outlet for decades, before Andy comes across him one day. And the rest is history.

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*** Another possibility is that Andy is the only kid to play with Woody. [[WildMassGuessing Perhaps he was part of the final run of the series, series,]] with the line being shut down sometime after cancellation. With the line discontinued, Woody was never sold with the rest of the set. He languishes in some old toy store or outlet for decades, before Andy comes across him one day. And the rest is history.
**** If that were the case, one would think Woody would bring that up when the Prospecter laments his own similar fate.
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** His original owner (presumably Andy's dad) might not have watched the show his toy came out of as a child, or his family might not have owned a television set, so Woody never actually saw the series he came from. The third movie shows he's accepting of the idea that Andy has outgrown him, so we can probably assume his abandonment crisis in the second movie was a temporary thing. Particularly since his decision to go to the museum was clearly heavily influenced by sympathy for Jessie.

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** *** His original owner (presumably Andy's dad) might not have watched the show his toy came out of as a child, or his family might not have owned a television set, so Woody never actually saw the series he came from. The third movie shows he's accepting of the idea that Andy has outgrown him, so we can probably assume his abandonment crisis in the second movie was a temporary thing. Particularly since his decision to go to the museum was clearly heavily influenced by sympathy for Jessie.
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** His original owner (presumably Andy's dad) might not have watched the show his toy came out of as a child, or his family might not have owned a television set, so Woody never actually saw the series he came from. The third movie shows he's accepting of the idea that Andy has outgrown him, so we can probably assume his abandonment crisis in the second movie was a temporary thing. Particularly since his decision to go to the museum was clearly heavily influenced by sympathy for Jessie.


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*** No, he's definitely an older toy. He comments at one point in the second movie that he hasn't seen a record player in years.

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*** TV show toys start out acting like their model character, though, whereas Rex is a generic. The character of the decepticons in question likely ''resembles'' that of the show characters (Woody and Jessie are still similar to their source characters, after all), but how much their personality diverged and evolved on its probably depends on how well they adjusted to the reality of their toy nature (look at Buzz here, later-movies personality compared to earlier ones. He acts similar, but different).

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*** TV show toys start out acting like their model character, though, whereas Rex is a generic. The character of the decepticons in question likely ''resembles'' that of the show characters (Woody and Jessie are still similar to their source characters, after all), but how much their personality diverged and evolved on its probably depends on how well they adjusted to the reality of their toy nature (look at Buzz here, later-movies personality compared to earlier ones. He acts similar, but different). different).
*** Rex's personality, I always thought, came from his toy design. I mean, look at him -- for the biggest, meanest dinosaur ever, the toy designers seem to have gone out of their way to make sure he doesn't actually scare the kids; he's all gentle, rounded contours and goofy-looking eyes. The result is a friendly, but neurotic toy dinosaur who shies away from confrontations and, despite insisting that he's a dangerous predator, couldn't hurt a toy fly. (Trixie clearly comes from the same toy lines as Rex, and has an equally "kid-friendly" design, but since she's not supposed to represent a bloodthirsty predator she seems somewhat more well-adjusted.)
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[[WMG: Regarding the same scene as the above, why does Andy put Woody in the toy box, while the secondary cast ''and even [[ThoseTwoGuys Snake and Robot]]'' get to stay out? It's not like he suddenly dropped from favorite to least favorite! And it can't be that being in the toy box is more of an honour than being on the shelf, since we know that Mr. Potato Head/Slinky/Rex/Hamm are in Andy's "third tier" right below Buzz (and eventually Jessie/Bullseye/Mrs. Potato Head/possibly the aliens join that tier).]]

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[[WMG: Regarding the same scene as the above, why does Andy put Woody in the toy box, while the secondary cast ''and even [[ThoseTwoGuys Snake and Robot]]'' get to stay out? It's not like he suddenly dropped from favorite to least favorite! And it can't be that being in the toy box is more of an honour than being on the shelf, since we know that Mr. Potato Head/Slinky/Rex/Hamm are in Andy's "third tier" right below Buzz (and eventually Jessie/Bullseye/Mrs. Potato Head/possibly the aliens join that tier).]]]]
* To keep the dust off him?
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Call him Sid. "The naughty neighbor" sounds like the name of a porno or something.


* [[WMG: When the naughty neighbor put the head of one toy in the body of another. Do these toys retain the memories of their heads or they become a different toy with a totally new personality?']]

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* [[WMG: When the naughty neighbor Sid put the head of one toy in the body of another. Do these toys retain the memories of their heads or they become a different toy with a totally new personality?']]
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***[[WordOfGod John Lasseter]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyofhW2jm2o says "we always thought that Woody was kind of a hand-me-down from Andy's father"]].

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*And speaking of One-Eye Bart, was anyone else bothered that his missing eye in third was not the same as in the first? Yes, it makes perfect sense since he is a young kid, not a professional screenplay writer or director, but still it would have been nice. (And this may be my OCD speaking, but it would have made for some nice symmetry for One-Eyed Bart's missing eye to stay the same, One-Eyed Betty to be missing her left eye, and the aliens to each be missing a different eye each.)

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*And speaking of One-Eye Bart, was anyone else bothered that his missing eye in the third was not the same as in the first? Yes, it makes perfect sense since he is a young kid, not a professional screenplay writer or director, but still it would have been nice. (And this may be my OCD speaking, but it would have made for some nice symmetry for One-Eyed Bart's missing eye to stay the same, One-Eyed Betty to be missing her left eye, and the aliens to each be missing a different eye each.)




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*Taking place the summer (August according to the calendar) right after the original makes the most sense, so it's almost a year after the original. Andy and Molly are definitely ''not'' 3 years older.




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*Something involving inter-dimensional royalty, hence explaining why he can accept the fact that there are 2 "real" Buzz's (he seems to think the other Buzz's are generic space rangers in hyper sleep). Utility Belt Buzz probably believes Zurg kidnapped royalty on a diplomatic mission of some sort in his (Utility Buzz's) dimension. Either that, or it means he fell into another dimension.



I know seeing that my toys had changed their facial expression while I wasn't looking would be enough to freak me the hell out, so are we supposed to believe that no human has EVER seen a sleeping [[spoiler: or 'dead']] toy?

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I know seeing that my toys had changed their facial expression while I wasn't looking would be enough to freak me the hell out, so are we supposed to believe that no human has EVER seen a sleeping [[spoiler: or 'dead']] toy?toy?
*They probably still subconsciously return to their normal expression when looked at even while unconscious.

[[WMG: Regarding the same scene as the above, why does Andy put Woody in the toy box, while the secondary cast ''and even [[ThoseTwoGuys Snake and Robot]]'' get to stay out? It's not like he suddenly dropped from favorite to least favorite! And it can't be that being in the toy box is more of an honour than being on the shelf, since we know that Mr. Potato Head/Slinky/Rex/Hamm are in Andy's "third tier" right below Buzz (and eventually Jessie/Bullseye/Mrs. Potato Head/possibly the aliens join that tier).]]

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[[WMG: In the first film during the 'Strange Things' scene, we see most of the toys asleep all over the room with their eyes closed, just like humans. Then, in 3, [[spoiler: Buzz get knocked out by a falling TV and appears as an unconcious human would, with closed eyes and a blank face. Furthermore, the other toys (or at least Jessie) seem to think he's dead until he comes round.]] So are we supposed to believe that no human has EVER seen a sleeping [[spoiler: or 'dead']] toy? I know seeing that any of my toys changed their facial expression while I wasn't looking would be enough to freak me the hell out. So what gives?]]

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[[WMG: In the first film during the 'Strange Things' scene, we see most of the toys asleep all over the room with their eyes closed, just like humans. Then, in 3, [[spoiler: Buzz get knocked out by a falling TV and appears as an unconcious human would, with closed eyes and a blank face. Furthermore, face, and the other toys (or at least Jessie) seem to think he's dead until he comes round.]] So ]]
I know seeing that my toys had changed their facial expression while I wasn't looking would be enough to freak me the hell out, so
are we supposed to believe that no human has EVER seen a sleeping [[spoiler: or 'dead']] toy? I know seeing that any of my toys changed their facial expression while I wasn't looking would be enough to freak me the hell out. So what gives?]]toy?
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[[WMG: What is a 'Code 546'? Any ideas?]]

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[[WMG: What is a 'Code 546'? Any ideas?]]ideas?]]

[[WMG: In the first film during the 'Strange Things' scene, we see most of the toys asleep all over the room with their eyes closed, just like humans. Then, in 3, [[spoiler: Buzz get knocked out by a falling TV and appears as an unconcious human would, with closed eyes and a blank face. Furthermore, the other toys (or at least Jessie) seem to think he's dead until he comes round.]] So are we supposed to believe that no human has EVER seen a sleeping [[spoiler: or 'dead']] toy? I know seeing that any of my toys changed their facial expression while I wasn't looking would be enough to freak me the hell out. So what gives?]]
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[[WMG: In 2, does Mom just not notice that Woody was stolen? She must have noticed that the safe-box she locked him was broken into, and him being Andy's favourite toy, you'd think she'd tell him what happened. But Andy arrives back home still expecting him to be there and Mom doesn't seem to bat an eyelid when she sees him?]]

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[[WMG: In 2, does Mom just not notice that Woody was stolen? She must have noticed that the safe-box she locked him was broken into, and him being Andy's favourite toy, you'd think she'd tell him what happened. But Andy arrives back home still expecting him to be there and Mom doesn't seem to bat an eyelid when she sees him?]]him?]]

[[WMG: What is a 'Code 546'? Any ideas?]]

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***His holster is far too small to hold that thing (unless he's secretly a Time Lord). Maybe he left it in Bonnie's bag initially, then got it back while offscreen after taking out the monkey, and gave it to Hamm or Mrs Potatohead for safekeeping? Though why he'd do that I can't think.




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** The creators probably thought it would have been too cruel to re-establish the audience's connection with the character and then abruptly remove her from the story. Better to [[PutOnABus put her on the bus]] straight off.


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[[WMG: In 2, does Mom just not notice that Woody was stolen? She must have noticed that the safe-box she locked him was broken into, and him being Andy's favourite toy, you'd think she'd tell him what happened. But Andy arrives back home still expecting him to be there and Mom doesn't seem to bat an eyelid when she sees him?]]
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[[WMG: Claw machines]]
Do ''all'' long-term claw-machine dwellers worship "The Claaaaw", or is it just the squeaky green guys?
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[[WMG: It bugs me that no one besides me seems to wish they toys were incinerated at the end of 3. Of course, in my entire life I don't recall ever rooting for the heores in a movie or book, so whatever.]]

[[WMG: Why are people so butthurt about the bad reviews? Seriously!! Most of my favorite movies are well below 50% on Rotten Tomatoes and you don't see me complaining? Yet Toy Story fans have 100%, 100% and 99% and act like someone castrated them? Are you fucking serious? The Strangers only gets 44%, less than half of Toy Story 3, and you don't see me whining (except here, to prove point). Seriously, grow up]]
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According to the main article it takes place years later. Is one to three years considered "several years later"?

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According to the main article it takes place years later. Is one to three years considered "several years later"?later"?

[[WMG: It bugs me that no one besides me seems to wish they toys were incinerated at the end of 3. Of course, in my entire life I don't recall ever rooting for the heores in a movie or book, so whatever.]]

[[WMG: Why are people so butthurt about the bad reviews? Seriously!! Most of my favorite movies are well below 50% on Rotten Tomatoes and you don't see me complaining? Yet Toy Story fans have 100%, 100% and 99% and act like someone castrated them? Are you fucking serious? The Strangers only gets 44%, less than half of Toy Story 3, and you don't see me whining (except here, to prove point). Seriously, grow up]]
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*And speaking of One-Eye Bart, was anyone else bothered that his missing eye in third was not the same as in the first? Yes, it makes perfect sense since he is a young kid, not a professional screenplay writer or director, but still it would have been nice. (And this may be my OCD speaking, but it would have made for some nice symmetry for One-Eyed Bart's missing eye to stay the same, One-Eyed Betty to be missing her left eye, and the aliens to each be missing a different eye each.)

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*And speaking of One-Eye Bart, was anyone else bothered that his missing eye in third was not the same as in the first? Yes, it makes perfect sense since he is a young kid, not a professional screenplay writer or director, but still it would have been nice. (And this may be my OCD speaking, but it would have made for some nice symmetry for One-Eyed Bart's missing eye to stay the same, One-Eyed Betty to be missing her left eye, and the aliens to each be missing a different eye each.))

[[WMG: When does 2 take place?]]
According to the main article it takes place years later. Is one to three years considered "several years later"?
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*And speaking of One-Eye Bart, was anyone else bothered that his missing eye in third was not the same as in the first? Yes, it makes perfect sense since he is a young kid, not a professional screenplay writer or director, but still it would have been nice. (And this may be my OCD speaking, but it would have made for some nice symmetry for One-Eyed Bart's missing eye to stay the same, One-Eyed Betty to be missing her left eye, and the aliens to each be missing a different eye each.)
*[[WMG: Something a bit weird in the first movie. At one point, we're treated to a montage where Andy basically changes his whole room, including bedsheets and posters, from a cowboy theme to a space ranger theme... even though they're going to move in three, four days at most. Wouldn't it be easier to wait until they are at the new house?]]

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*And speaking of One-Eye Bart, was anyone else bothered that his missing eye in third was not the same as in the first? Yes, it makes perfect sense since he is a young kid, not a professional screenplay writer or director, but still it would have been nice. (And this may be my OCD speaking, but it would have made for some nice symmetry for One-Eyed Bart's missing eye to stay the same, One-Eyed Betty to be missing her left eye, and the aliens to each be missing a different eye each.)
*[[WMG: Something a bit weird in the first movie. At one point, we're treated to a montage where Andy basically changes his whole room, including bedsheets and posters, from a cowboy theme to a space ranger theme... even though they're going to move in three, four days at most. Wouldn't it be easier to wait until they are at the new house?]]
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**Also, we don't know that Woody was his father's, it might've just been his favourite
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*And speaking of One-Eye Bart, was anyone else bothered that his missing eye in third was not the same as in the first? Yes, it makes perfect sense since he is a young kid, not a professional screenplay writer or director, but still it would have been nice. (And this may be my OCD speaking, but it would have made for some nice symmetry for One-Eyed Bart's missing eye to stay the same, One-Eyed Betty to be missing her left eye, and the aliens to each be missing a different eye each.)

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*And speaking of One-Eye Bart, was anyone else bothered that his missing eye in third was not the same as in the first? Yes, it makes perfect sense since he is a young kid, not a professional screenplay writer or director, but still it would have been nice. (And this may be my OCD speaking, but it would have made for some nice symmetry for One-Eyed Bart's missing eye to stay the same, One-Eyed Betty to be missing her left eye, and the aliens to each be missing a different eye each.))
*[[WMG: Something a bit weird in the first movie. At one point, we're treated to a montage where Andy basically changes his whole room, including bedsheets and posters, from a cowboy theme to a space ranger theme... even though they're going to move in three, four days at most. Wouldn't it be easier to wait until they are at the new house?]]
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** Now that he's AllGrownUp he doesn't need his childhood hero anymore, meaning that he doesn't need to cling to the physical manifestation of his dad's memory. He acknowledges that giving him away is difficult and that he hasn't forgotten all the love that Woody brought him, but he knows there's another kid out there who would love Woody just as much and would want to emulate him the same way that he did when he was little since he didn't have his dad around. In retrospect, it really reminds this troper of this line from the ''Journey'' episode from {{Glee}} when all the kids are explaining what their lives were like before they had Mr. Shuester as a teacher.
-->'''Finn''': I didn't have a father. Someone I could look up to. Model myself after. Someone who could show me what it really meant to be a man.
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*[[WMG: Even though it [[TearJerker jerked at this troper's eyes]] and was supreme CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming, this troper is still slightly perturbed that Andy just gave away Woody at the end of the film. Sure Bonnie is cute and all, but does that really constitute giving away one of the last remaining pieces of his MissingFather 's memory? Woody wasn't just a toy, he was a family heirloom.]]

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*[[WMG: Even though it [[TearJerker jerked at this troper's eyes]] and was supreme CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming, this troper is still slightly perturbed that Andy just gave away Woody at the end of the film. Sure Bonnie is cute and all, but does that really constitute giving away one of the last remaining pieces shreds of his MissingFather DisappearedDad 's memory? Woody wasn't just a toy, he was a family heirloom.]]
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*[[WMG: Even though it [[TearJerker jerked at this troper's eyes]] and was supreme CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming, this troper is still slightly perturbed that Andy just gave away Woody at the end of the film. Sure Bonnie is cute and all, but does that really constitute giving away one of the last remaining pieces of his MissingFather 's memory? Woody wasn't just a toy, he was a family heirloom.]]

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