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** There is something of a sweet spot between [[StopHavingFunGuy stop having fun guys]] and "Watching the bullet vomit and dying." People who actually enjoy these games because they are [[NintendoHard challenging]] without resorting to FakeDifficulty.

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** There is something of a sweet spot between [[StopHavingFunGuy stop having fun guys]] and "Watching the bullet vomit and dying." People who actually enjoy these games because they are [[NintendoHard challenging]] without resorting to FakeDifficulty.
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*** [[WildMassGuessing Parsee's ears are fakes.]] [[FridgeBrilliance She wears them out of jealousy for cooler-looking youkai.]]
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****** Meiling is strong enough to handle the average riff-raff. It's just that the one time we've seen her in action as the SDM's gatekeeper, she was up against very much above average riff-raff. It wouldn't matter if Remilia had somehow convinced somebody monstrously powerful like Mokou to take the job, or put Flandre at the front gate that day. Hax Miko still would've gotten past her.
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** Being beaten by Reimu and Marisa isn't exactly uncommon.
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****** Not really. Meiling is already a fair bit more capable than the average youkai. Combined with the typical youkai's aloofness and pride, finding someone more competent than Meiling that doesn't have ridiculous demands could be difficult.
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***** Considering the youkai population of Gensokyo, there is going to be plenty of youkai stronger than Meiling that would love to have a job at the luxurious home of SDM, and they don't need to be an EX Boss to be like that.
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**** Care to explain where Remilia would find somebody like that? Not likely that an EX Boss is going to sign up for gatekeeper duty, is it?
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*** As for her acting relatively nice in SA, that's why I said "tends to."
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***** Meaning that if Yukari drops you in Gensokyo, best hope she dropped you near somebody like Keine or Mokou who'll guide you to a safe-for-humans area.
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*** It's also canon that Remilia doesn't kill the humans she "eats". She just drinks their blood. Messy, probably painful, but non-lethal.
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** There is something of a sweet spot between [[StopHavingFunGuy stop having fun guys]] and "Watching the bullet vomit and dying." People who actually enjoy these games because they are [[NintendoHard challenging]] without resorting to FakeDifficulty.
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*** Funny, That's the ''exact'' same way [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Tropers/Febel I]] got into it as well.
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*** It's not. It's just very surprising if you're not expecting it.




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**** I think it's actually that they don't have spellcards, and thus aren't protected by spellcard rules.

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** It's how ZUN draws ears. He just normally avoids them entirely, so the fandom notices that they look weird when they show up (yes, that does mean that Parsee's ears aren't canonical).
*** Parsee wears fakes out of jealousy for the more exotic-looking youkai.

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** It's how ZUN draws ears. He just normally [[ConvenientlyPlacedRocks avoids them entirely, entirely]], so the fandom notices that they look weird when they show up (yes, that does mean that Parsee's ears aren't canonical).
*** Parsee wears fakes out of jealousy for the more exotic-looking youkai.



* The existence of youkai of non-Japanese nationalities implies the existence of non-Japanese Gensokyo counterparts.
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*** This troper saw it as "outsiders tend not to have the necessary mad skillz to protect themselves from youkai".

* The existence of youkai of non-Japanese nationalities implies the existence of non-Japanese Gensokyo counterparts.
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** Why is the icicle shotgun harder than most of her spellcards?
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** Thats exactly my point, it feels just almost hypocritical. "Gensokyo is a wonderful place where everyone gets along, except outsiders eff them" I cant help but think ZUN hates the real world given how he made the outside world such a crapsackworld and is apparently okay with outsiders getting munched on.

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* Youkais eating people. I cant figure out, one canon says this doesnt happen, another says it happens all the bloody time. Gensokyo is pretty much a confirmed happy place with WhiteAndGreyMorality and then all of a sudden we hear that Yukari spirits people in for Remillia to snack on? I dont get it. It feels almost schizophrenic. I prefer a non grimdark gensokyo, but it still bugs me.

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* Youkais Youkai eating people. I cant can't figure out, one canon says this doesnt doesn't happen, another says it happens all the bloody time. Gensokyo is pretty much a confirmed happy place with WhiteAndGreyMorality and then all of a sudden we hear that Yukari spirits people in for Remillia Remilia to snack on? I dont don't get it. It feels almost schizophrenic. I prefer a non grimdark gensokyo, but it still bugs me. me.
** This is mostly the result of ZUN changing his mind. Currently, though, youkai only really eat outsiders and hermits, and both are rare. Though a lot of them would probably like to eat humans. And Yukari getting food for Remilia is still canon.
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*Youkais eating people. I cant figure out, one canon says this doesnt happen, another says it happens all the bloody time. Gensokyo is pretty much a confirmed happy place with WhiteAndGreyMorality and then all of a sudden we hear that Yukari spirits people in for Remillia to snack on? I dont get it. It feels almost schizophrenic. I prefer a non grimdark gensokyo, but it still bugs me.
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** My own theory on this is that Meiling provides a friendly face for the SDM. Think abou it; every other non-fairy there is either creepy and/or a {{Hikikomori}}, but Meiling is a friendly near-human, and will be seen more than the rest of them combined.

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** My own theory on this is that Meiling provides a friendly face for the SDM. Think abou about it; every other non-fairy there is either creepy and/or a {{Hikikomori}}, but Meiling is a friendly near-human, and will be seen more than the rest of them combined.

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* Why does Remilia even bother having Meiling as a gate-guard when she's got Sakuya? I mean, there is just about nothing Meiling can do that Sakuya can't do ([[SelfDeprecation I love Meiling, by the way]]), and Sakuya definitely has enough time to take care of things. If Meiling is as imcompotent as the Stage 3 boss she is, surely Remilia have better tastes for someone who will act as gate guard for the feared SDM than her. Although my guess is that ZUN just needed a Stage 3 boss, so its a kind of a GameplayAndStorySegregation?

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* Why does Remilia even bother having Meiling as a gate-guard when she's got Sakuya? at all? I mean, there is just about nothing Meiling can do that Sakuya can't do ([[SelfDeprecation I love Meiling, by the way]]), and Sakuya definitely has enough time to take care of things. If Meiling is as imcompotent as the Stage 3 boss she is, surely Remilia have better tastes for someone who will act as gate guard for the feared SDM than her. Although my guess is that ZUN just needed a Stage 3 boss, so its a kind of a GameplayAndStorySegregation?



** My own theory on this is that Meiling provides a friendly face for the SDM. Think abou it; every other non-fairy there is either creepy and/or a hikimori, but Meiling is a friendly near-human, and will be seen more than the rest of them combined.

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** My own theory on this is that Meiling provides a friendly face for the SDM. Think abou it; every other non-fairy there is either creepy and/or a hikimori, {{Hikikomori}}, but Meiling is a friendly near-human, and will be seen more than the rest of them combined.combined.
*** That is a good point, it gives Remilia a more civil side too.
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** My own theory on this is that Meiling provides a friendly face for the SDM. Think abou it; every other non-fairy there is either creepy and/or a hikimori, but Meiling is a friendly near-human, and will be seen more than the rest of them combined.
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*** So maybe Remilia should hire a more competent gate-guard that could at least stand a better chance against people such as them? Unless SDM has become too attached to Meiling as a member.
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** Sakuya is Remilia's chief maid, and her timestopping abilities are useful for more than just throwing knives at people, and is thus quite more important to Remilia. Meiling can keep most humans and youkai out of the mansion, but when it came to dealing with the main protagonists ([[CuteWitch one of whom]] acts as her very own WaveMotionGun and [[{{Miko}} the other of whom]] is just majorly powerful -- a common in-joke has one of her spellcards being "Hax Sign - You Just Plain Fucking Lose"), it turned out that she was ''way'' out of her league. That's the problem with being OvershadowedByAwesome, as well as being primarily a physical combatant in a magic and {{danmaku}}-based series.

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** Sakuya is Remilia's chief maid, and her timestopping abilities are useful for more than just throwing knives at people, and is thus quite more important to Remilia. Meiling can keep most humans and youkai out of the mansion, but was just plain out of her league when it came to dealing with the main protagonists ([[CuteWitch one of whom]] acts as her very own WaveMotionGun and [[{{Miko}} the other of whom]] is just majorly powerful -- a common in-joke has one of her spellcards being "Hax Sign - You Just Plain Fucking Lose"), it turned out that she was ''way'' out of her league. Lose"). That's the problem with being OvershadowedByAwesome, as well as being primarily a physical combatant fighter in a magic and {{danmaku}}-based series.
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** Sakuya is Remilia's chief maid, and her timestopping abilities are useful for more than just throwing knives at people, and is thus quite more important to Remilia. Meiling can keep most humans and youkai out of the mansion, but when it came to dealing with the main protagonists ([[CuteWitch one of whom]] acts as her very own WaveMotionGun and [[{{Miko}} the other of whom]] is just majorly powerful -- a common in-joke has one of her spellcards being "Hax Sign - You Just Plain Fucking Lose"), it turned out that she was ''way'' out of her league. That's the problem with being OvershadowedByAwesome, as well as being primarily a physical combatant in a magic-based series.

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** Sakuya is Remilia's chief maid, and her timestopping abilities are useful for more than just throwing knives at people, and is thus quite more important to Remilia. Meiling can keep most humans and youkai out of the mansion, but when it came to dealing with the main protagonists ([[CuteWitch one of whom]] acts as her very own WaveMotionGun and [[{{Miko}} the other of whom]] is just majorly powerful -- a common in-joke has one of her spellcards being "Hax Sign - You Just Plain Fucking Lose"), it turned out that she was ''way'' out of her league. That's the problem with being OvershadowedByAwesome, as well as being primarily a physical combatant in a magic-based magic and {{danmaku}}-based series.
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** Sakuya is Remilia's chief maid, and her timestopping abilities are useful for more than just throwing knives at people, and is thus quite more important to Remilia. Meiling can keep most humans and youkai out of the mansion, but when it came to dealing with the main protagonists ([[CuteWitch one of whom]] acts as her very own WaveMotionGun and [[{{Miko}} the other of whom]] is just majorly powerful -- a common in-joke has one of her spellcards being "Hax Sign - You Just Plain Fucking Lose"), it turned out that she was ''way'' out of her league. That's the problem with being OvershadowedByAwesome.

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** Sakuya is Remilia's chief maid, and her timestopping abilities are useful for more than just throwing knives at people, and is thus quite more important to Remilia. Meiling can keep most humans and youkai out of the mansion, but when it came to dealing with the main protagonists ([[CuteWitch one of whom]] acts as her very own WaveMotionGun and [[{{Miko}} the other of whom]] is just majorly powerful -- a common in-joke has one of her spellcards being "Hax Sign - You Just Plain Fucking Lose"), it turned out that she was ''way'' out of her league. That's the problem with being OvershadowedByAwesome.OvershadowedByAwesome, as well as being primarily a physical combatant in a magic-based series.

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----)** Sakuya is Remilia's chief maid, and her timestopping abilities are useful for more than just throwing knives at people, and is thus quite more important to Remilia. Meiling can keep most humans and youkai out of the mansion, but when it came to dealing with the main protagonists ([[CuteWitch one of whom]] acts as her very own WaveMotionGun and [[{{Miko}} the other of whom]] is just majorly powerful -- a common in-joke has one of her spellcards being "Hax Sign - You Just Plain Fucking Lose"), it turned out that she was ''way'' out of her league. That's the problem with being OvershadowedByAwesome.
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* Why does Remilia even bother having Meiling as a gate-guard when she's got Sakuya? I mean, there is just about nothing Meiling can do that Sakuya can't do ([[SelfDeprecation I love Meiling, by the way]]), and Sakuya definitely has enough time to take care of things. If Meiling is as imcompotent as the Stage 3 boss she is, surely Remilia have better tastes for someone who will act as gate guard for the feared SDM than her. Although my guess is that ZUN just needed a Stage 3 boss, so its a kind of a GameplayAndStorySegregation?
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** That's not quite accurate. Alice acts reasonably nice in SA, and she has a fairly broad range of {{Fanon}} personalities, many of which are reasonably close to her canon one. If you really want to bitch about fans screwing a character over I'd suggest looking at Chen, Mystia, or Shou.
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* Alice in {{Canon}}: Deranged, misanthropic hermit whose reaction to anyone who's not Marisa tends to vary from "passive-aggressive politeness" to "open hatred" -- and her reaction to even Marisa is along the lines of VitriolicBestBuds or {{Tsundere}}. Alice in {{Fanon}}: A lonely girl who's desperate for friendship and attention, especially from Marisa. What.

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* Alice in {{Canon}}: Deranged, misanthropic Misanthropic hermit whose reaction to anyone who's not Marisa tends to vary from "passive-aggressive politeness" to "open hatred" -- and her reaction to even Marisa is along the lines of VitriolicBestBuds or {{Tsundere}}. Alice in {{Fanon}}: A lonely girl who's desperate for friendship and attention, especially from Marisa. [[FlatWhat What.]]
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* Alice in {{Canon}}: Deranged, misanthropic hermit whose reaction to anyone who's not Marisa tends to vary from "passive-aggressive politeness" to "open hatred" -- and her reaction to even Marisa is along the lines of VitriolicBestBuds or {{Tsundere}}. Alice in {{Fanon}}: A lonely girl who's desperate for friendship and attention, especially from Marisa. What.

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