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22nd Oct '17 6:32:33 PM SideshowJazz19
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22nd Oct '17 6:32:32 PM SideshowJazz19
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** In the very first episode, when Sammy tries to correct Chris, he says "You're officially Samey." I have two theories connected to this. *** First of all, Chris is petty. He probably didn't want anyone to call Sammy by anything else, in order to a: Make Sammy miserable, and b: Not confuse the in-universe viewers. Maybe he heard Jasmine calling her "Sammy" and later on told her off-camera that she would be disqualified if she didn't use the name the show used.

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** In the very first episode, when Sammy tries to correct Chris, he says "You're officially Samey." I have two theories connected to this. this.
*** First of all, Chris is petty. He probably didn't want anyone to call Sammy by anything else, in order to a: Make Sammy miserable, and b: Not confuse the in-universe viewers. Maybe he heard Jasmine calling her "Sammy" and later on told her off-camera that she would be disqualified if she didn't use the name the show used.
22nd Oct '17 6:31:44 PM SideshowJazz19
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** In the very first episode, when Sammy tries to correct Chris, he says "You're officially Samey." I have two theories connected to this. *** First of all, Chris is petty. He probably didn't want anyone to call Sammy by anything else, in order to a: Make Sammy miserable, and b: Not confuse the in-universe viewers. Maybe he heard Jasmine calling her "Sammy" and later on told her off-camera that she would be disqualified if she didn't use the name the show used.
*** Second, we don't know how much was edited in-universe. Maybe Jasmine called Sammy "Samey" once early on (let's remember they weren't friends until after Episode 1), then started calling her Sammy later on, and in order to avoid confusion, the producers used the sound clip of Jasmine saying that whenever she actually said "Sammy".
5th Oct '17 8:49:14 PM Gideoncrawle
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** This gets even weirder as in the ending to ''All-Starts'', [[spoiler:the "island" ''sinks''.]]

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** This gets even weirder as in the ending to ''All-Starts'', [[spoiler:the the "island" ''sinks''.]]



** Well, in season 2, he finally stood up to Duncan when [[spoiler: he got eliminated]].

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** Well, in season 2, he finally stood up to Duncan when [[spoiler: he got eliminated]].
eliminated.



** I saw it as more of FridgeBrilliance. Ezekiel all of a suddenly drops to the ground after everyone has landed and settled in which captures his tendency to pop out of random in various points of the show when the rest of the crew least expects it [[spoiler: especially in the finale, he reappears out of nowhere to steal the million dollar case before falling into a volcano.]]

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** I saw it as more of FridgeBrilliance. Ezekiel all of a suddenly drops to the ground after everyone has landed and settled in which captures his tendency to pop out of random in various points of the show when the rest of the crew least expects it [[spoiler: especially in the finale, he reappears out of nowhere to steal the million dollar case before falling into a volcano.]]
volcano.



* CN is promoting the next episode (the Alps) AS WELL AS the first Aftermath episode, which is online. So... are they basically saying that [[spoiler: The Alps challenge is also a non-elimination challenge? Or do they just not care if they spoil anything?]]
** I'm not sure why they're advertising it so much but we know for a fact the Alps [[spoiler: is an elimination episode, the person voted off is [=LeShawna=].]]
** The Aftermath is (like its TDA counterpart) actually episode 6, so the person voted out in the Alps won't appear until the next aftermath (aka [[spoiler: Leshawna]]).

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* CN is promoting the next episode (the Alps) AS WELL AS the first Aftermath episode, which is online. So... are they basically saying that [[spoiler: The Alps challenge is also a non-elimination challenge? Or do they just not care if they spoil anything?]]
anything?
** I'm not sure why they're advertising it so much but we know for a fact the Alps [[spoiler: is an elimination episode, the person voted off is [=LeShawna=].]]
Leshawna.
** The Aftermath is (like its TDA counterpart) actually episode 6, so the person voted out in the Alps won't appear until the next aftermath (aka [[spoiler: Leshawna]]).
Leshawna).



** Maybe she was still bitter over [[spoiler: losing her job]], or she's even more sadistic than Chris?

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** Maybe she was still bitter over [[spoiler: losing her job]], job, or she's even more sadistic than Chris?



** I'm not sure, [[spoiler: The Gwent ShipTease from the third aftermath doesn't help]]
** Well we know Duncan is definitely still into Gwen since he was last seen carving a portrait of her into a first class seat. Gwen... yeah, she's ambiguous. She was angry and upset with his 'jealousy' over Courtney and then we have [[spoiler: the Gwent ShipTease as noted above.]]

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** I'm not sure, [[spoiler: The Gwent ShipTease from the third aftermath doesn't help]]
help.
** Well we know Duncan is definitely still into Gwen since he was last seen carving a portrait of her into a first class seat. Gwen... yeah, she's ambiguous. She was angry and upset with his 'jealousy' over Courtney and then we have [[spoiler: the Gwent ShipTease as noted above.]]



* So apparently the season was already aired inside certain parts of the world (France, Italy, apparently Australia) So were the outcomes for those essentially the same as what's going to happen out in North America? [[spoiler: Mike finishes 6th, Jo finishes 5th, Zoey and Scott are 4th or 3rd but I haven't found any spoilers to suggest which order. Cameron and Lightning are in the final two. Evidently, in the Italian version, Cameron wins.]] So far, it's following the boot order, but are they going to change it up a bit for the NA version(s)?

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* So apparently the season was already aired inside certain parts of the world (France, Italy, apparently Australia) So were the outcomes for those essentially the same as what's going to happen out in North America? [[spoiler: Mike finishes 6th, Jo finishes 5th, Zoey and Scott are 4th or 3rd but I haven't found any spoilers to suggest which order. Cameron and Lightning are in the final two. Evidently, in the Italian version, Cameron wins.]] So far, it's following the boot order, but are they going to change it up a bit for the NA version(s)?



* In "Grand Chef Auto", [[spoiler:Mike defeats his multiple personalities and takes control. But does anyone more noticed a shadow version of himself on the background, when he's saying that he's taking control?]]

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* In "Grand Chef Auto", [[spoiler:Mike Mike defeats his multiple personalities and takes control. But does anyone more noticed a shadow version of himself on the background, when he's saying that he's taking control?]]control?



** Simple; he delays the elimination of more developed characters by an extra episode. In hindsight, a few of the early elimination results were pretty clearly set up to be able to waste a few early eliminations so the rest of the group would get some focus before they started leaving. Look at the first few: [[spoiler:nearly literal one-note character, character who returned an episode later and stuck around for half the season, character with no spoken lines, and team swap replacing elimination.]]

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** Simple; he delays the elimination of more developed characters by an extra episode. In hindsight, a few of the early elimination results were pretty clearly set up to be able to waste a few early eliminations so the rest of the group would get some focus before they started leaving. Look at the first few: [[spoiler:nearly nearly literal one-note character, character who returned an episode later and stuck around for half the season, character with no spoken lines, and team swap replacing elimination.]]



** [[spoiler:Not anymore, on Courtney's part.]]

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** [[spoiler:Not Not anymore, on Courtney's part.]]



* In the beginning of "Saving Private Leechball", [[spoiler: The Malevolent One breaks Sam's "Game Guy". My question...it's at night, and Mike was seen in his PJs when he and Cameron went to bed. When the Malevolent One strikes, he's in Mike's normal clothes.]] Did he get dressed specifically for that occasion? This is probably just a minor animation error, but it's still confusing.

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* In the beginning of "Saving Private Leechball", [[spoiler: The Malevolent One breaks Sam's "Game Guy". My question...it's at night, and Mike was seen in his PJs when he and Cameron went to bed. When the Malevolent One strikes, he's in Mike's normal clothes.]] Did he get dressed specifically for that occasion? This is probably just a minor animation error, but it's still confusing.



** I had the same question, however the answer becomes obvious after his elimination: they needed someone on the hero team to eliminate after the first episode so they could play out all the storylines with the others (Sierra's Cody withdrawal, Cam trying to help Mike, being Sierra's reluctant ReplacementGoldfish and [[spoiler: Getting shuttled over to the vultures]], Mike's whole situation with the Malevolent one, Zoey reacting to that, Courtney getting shuttled over to the other team and Duncan's whole drama with Gwen and possibly knowing the malevolent one. All of these are either apparent before his elimination or come into play shortly afterwords. The Villain team didn't have a plant like that simply because they had a limited selection (with Gwen only being placed there for dramatic reasons and Courtney being swapped over after a few episodes) and limited space, with Justin being the only one left out, and the only one who'd be obvious elimination bait before their exit episode.

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** I had the same question, however the answer becomes obvious after his elimination: they needed someone on the hero team to eliminate after the first episode so they could play out all the storylines with the others (Sierra's Cody withdrawal, Cam trying to help Mike, being Sierra's reluctant ReplacementGoldfish and [[spoiler: Getting getting shuttled over to the vultures]], vultures, Mike's whole situation with the The Malevolent one, One, Zoey reacting to that, Courtney getting shuttled over to the other team and Duncan's whole drama with Gwen and possibly knowing the malevolent one. All of these are either apparent before his elimination or come into play shortly afterwords. The Villain team didn't have a plant like that simply because they had a limited selection (with Gwen only being placed there for dramatic reasons and Courtney being swapped over after a few episodes) and limited space, with Justin being the only one left out, and the only one who'd be obvious elimination bait before their exit episode.



* This may be just me, but doesn't it seem like the writers were favoring the second cast over the originals? To start, they bring back 7 TDR campers, but only 5 of the original 22, and one of them is voted off first. Next, [[spoiler: the final 3 are composed of new cast members.]]

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* This may be just me, but doesn't it seem like the writers were favoring the second cast over the originals? To start, they bring back 7 TDR campers, but only 5 of the original 22, and one of them is voted off first. Next, [[spoiler: the final 3 are composed of new cast members.]]



** Well, obviously, ''NO'', you're not the only one bothered by it. However, now that it has aired, it becomes very apparent that even if you didn't care about the winner, [[spoiler: the ending sets up the next season by destroying the island and by hinting at a brand new cast.]]
* [[spoiler: The reset button only removes Mike's personalities instead of completely giving him a blank slate, or even having him live life without remembering them? How does that work? More than likely, the only explanation is that the writers wanted a quick and easy way to get his plot resolved, but it still makes no sense.]]

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** Well, obviously, ''NO'', you're not the only one bothered by it. However, now that it has aired, it becomes very apparent that even if you didn't care about the winner, [[spoiler: the ending sets up the next season by destroying the island and by hinting at a brand new cast.]]
cast.
* [[spoiler: The reset button only removes Mike's personalities instead of completely giving him a blank slate, or even having him live life without remembering them? How does that work? More than likely, the only explanation is that the writers wanted a quick and easy way to get his plot resolved, but it still makes no sense.]]



* Why does Elle's singing work? [[spoiler: As far as we know there are very few if any actual animals on the island. Scuba Bear in particular in 100% confirmed as a robot and should have been immune.]] Out of verse the most likely answers are that they didn't want to reveal anything too soon or possibly the writers hadn't even figured that detail out yet when they were writing those scenes or brainstorming up the characters but inverse it raises questions.
** [[spoiler: She's a [[{{Technopath}} Technopath?]] ]]

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* Why does Elle's Ella's singing work? [[spoiler: As far as we know there are very few if any actual animals on the island. Scuba Bear in particular in 100% confirmed as a robot and should have been immune.]] Out of verse the most likely answers are that they didn't want to reveal anything too soon or possibly the writers hadn't even figured that detail out yet when they were writing those scenes or brainstorming up the characters but inverse it raises questions.
** [[spoiler: She's a [[{{Technopath}} Technopath?]] ]]
{{Technopath}}?



** A poorly written attempt at irony since [[spoiler: Sugar loses and is eliminated]] while Sky & Shawn succeed by having their talents in the talent show being what Sugar normally does 24/7 which is gross bodily stuff.

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** A poorly written attempt at irony since [[spoiler: Sugar loses and is eliminated]] eliminated while Sky & Shawn succeed by having their talents in the talent show being what Sugar normally does 24/7 which is gross bodily stuff.



* In the finale, [[spoiler: Shawn lands on Jasmine out of the 12 characters he could have hit, and Sky lands on Dave twice out of the other 11.]] The odds of this happening are 1 in 1,452, or .07%. In an All Stars episode, Cameron deduced that the game was rigged after only 2 spins of a wheel with 8 slices. The odds of that are 1 in 64, or 1.56%. The odds are too astronomical for this to be random!

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* In the finale, [[spoiler: Shawn lands on Jasmine out of the 12 characters he could have hit, and Sky lands on Dave twice out of the other 11.]] 11. The odds of this happening are 1 in 1,452, or .07%. In an All Stars episode, Cameron deduced that the game was rigged after only 2 spins of a wheel with 8 slices. The odds of that are 1 in 64, or 1.56%. The odds are too astronomical for this to be random!
22nd Sep '17 1:32:17 PM SeptimusHeap
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** They were ''sixteen'' when the show began. I don't imagine many of them would need to grow that much, especially the girls. Cody, who is the most likely of the group to be a late bloomer, was among those who did get taller. Not to mention that the show could take place over the course of less than one year (Summer, immediately after, the following winter/spring) and probably did, given that Heather still needed hair extensions in ''World Tour''. ''AsToldByGinger'' which I cited in my previous post featured characters who were twelve when the show began and even ''they'' didn't seem to grow that much by the time they got to high school, so I don't think that necessarily would mean anything for the timeline even if growth was expected. And changing hairstyles I suppose is exactly like changing clothes; redrawing for no reason.

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** They were ''sixteen'' when the show began. I don't imagine many of them would need to grow that much, especially the girls. Cody, who is the most likely of the group to be a late bloomer, was among those who did get taller. Not to mention that the show could take place over the course of less than one year (Summer, immediately after, the following winter/spring) and probably did, given that Heather still needed hair extensions in ''World Tour''. ''AsToldByGinger'' ''WesternAnimation/AsToldByGinger'' which I cited in my previous post featured characters who were twelve when the show began and even ''they'' didn't seem to grow that much by the time they got to high school, so I don't think that necessarily would mean anything for the timeline even if growth was expected. And changing hairstyles I suppose is exactly like changing clothes; redrawing for no reason.
11th Aug '17 11:54:43 AM germanlureag
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Too Dawn no is all-star, she was eliminated before than Sam, and she just shows up. Some times seems that some only want her because id albino and misterious, when there are other darkhorse ensembles that have appeared longer than her, and would have been better than Sam this season, although Sam do not inconvenience me.

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Too ***Also Dawn no is all-star, she was eliminated before than Sam, and she just barely shows up. Some times seems that some fans only want her her, because id is albino and misterious, when there are other darkhorse ensembles that have appeared longer than her, and would have been better than Sam this season, although Sam do not inconvenience me.
11th Aug '17 11:50:08 AM germanlureag
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Too Dawn no is all-star, she was eliminated before than Sam, and she just shows up. Some times seems that some only want her because id albino and misterious, when there are other darkhorse ensembles that have appeared longer than her, and would have been better than Sam this season, although Sam do not inconvenience me.
10th Aug '17 4:49:51 PM germanlureag
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** Considering the crimes that Chris gets away with that are worlds worse than blowing up a cottage and as of All-Stars includes at best the involuntary manslaughter of most of the original casts he probably thought the Island was somehow out of their jurisdiction. The question is why he really thought he was going to Juvie at all.

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** Considering the crimes that Chris gets away with that are worlds worse than blowing up a cottage and as of All-Stars includes at best the involuntary manslaughter perdition on balloons of most of the original casts he probably thought the Island was somehow out of their jurisdiction. The question is why he really thought he was going to Juvie at all.
10th Aug '17 4:20:26 PM germanlureag
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** I believe that it's the writers way of making sure the fans don't complain as opposed to accepting their wishes. If they really wanted to do that, then they should have brought back Dawn. You see, the writers had a formula for picking All-Stars, due to the small pool to choose from. If you made the merge at least once or you're found to be a writers' favorite, then you're an All-Star. This has led to a lot of people being cast that I've either grown sick of or was never fond of to begin with. But Sam was used as an ineffective attempt to deceive us. The idea being that if someone who's a fat Seth Rogen and spends all his time playing World of Warcraft can be an All-Star, then anyone can be. And they wanted to say that those who didn't make the cut just didn't try enough. Instead, they created a character that's heavily out of place and they just wanted to flush him as fast as they could.

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** I believe that it's the writers way of making sure the fans don't complain as opposed to accepting their wishes. If they really wanted to do that, then they should have brought back Dawn.to other favorite like B, Dawn, Brick ,Dakota etc. You see, the writers had a formula for picking All-Stars, due to the small pool to choose from. If you made the merge at least once or you're found to be a writers' favorite, then you're an All-Star. This has led to a lot of people being cast that I've either grown sick of or was never fond of to begin with. But Sam was used as an ineffective attempt to deceive us. The idea being that if someone who's a fat Seth Rogen and spends all his time playing World of Warcraft can be an All-Star, then anyone can be. And they wanted to say that those who didn't make the cut just didn't try enough. Instead, they created a character that's heavily out of place and they just wanted to flush him as fast as they could.
24th Jul '17 7:58:17 PM kittyface44
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^** The Bass also had an unfair disadvantage in that episode. Points were scored based on how many campers could conquer their fears. The Gophers had nine players, while the Bass only had eight. Even if all the campers on both teams managed to successfully overcome their fears, the Bass still would've lost 8-9.

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^** ** The Bass also had an unfair disadvantage in that episode. Points were scored based on how many campers could conquer their fears. The Gophers had nine players, while the Bass only had eight. Even if all the campers on both teams managed to successfully overcome their fears, the Bass still would've lost 8-9.
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