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* Lets talk about Vivian here. This woman has done nothing to convince me that she is the [[MisunderstoodLonerWithAHeartOfGold kind and caring person]]. First off, why the prostitution business? Has the situation in their new life in new york gotten so bad that prostitution was the first "solution" to it? Half of these creatures are magical, so why didn't they just use magic and a little business and conjure up a more respectable and mroe sustanable livelhood that would benefit each fable in the community? Lastly, if she did really care about her girls and thought of them as her friends and family, why did she put deadly, cursed ribbons on their necks that could kill them? was opening up a brother Georgie's idea or hers? because either way it seems like she was just a selfish person who thoguht she was doing everyone a favor.

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* Lets talk about Vivian here. This woman has done nothing to convince me that she is the [[MisunderstoodLonerWithAHeartOfGold kind and caring person]].person]] she pretends to be. First off, why the prostitution business? Has the situation in their new life in new york gotten so bad that prostitution was the first "solution" to it? Half of these creatures are magical, so why didn't they just use magic and a little business and conjure up a more respectable and mroe sustanable livelhood that would benefit each fable in the community? Lastly, if she did really care about her girls and thought of them as her friends and family, why did she put deadly, cursed ribbons on their necks that could kill them? was opening up a brother Georgie's idea or hers? because either way it seems like she was just a selfish person who thoguht she was doing everyone a favor.
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* Lets talk about Vivian here. This woman has done nothing to convince me that she [[MisunderstoodLonerWithAHeartOfGold "really cares"]] about her friends. First off, why the prostitution business? Has the situation in their new life in new york gotten so bad that prostitution was the first "solution" to it? Half of them are magical, couldn't they just help set out a more respectable and business that would benefit each fable in the community?

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* Lets talk about Vivian here. This woman has done nothing to convince me that she is the [[MisunderstoodLonerWithAHeartOfGold "really cares"]] about her friends. kind and caring person]]. First off, why the prostitution business? Has the situation in their new life in new york gotten so bad that prostitution was the first "solution" to it? Half of them these creatures are magical, couldn't so why didn't they just help set out use magic and a little business and conjure up a more respectable and business mroe sustanable livelhood that would benefit each fable in the community?community? Lastly, if she did really care about her girls and thought of them as her friends and family, why did she put deadly, cursed ribbons on their necks that could kill them? was opening up a brother Georgie's idea or hers? because either way it seems like she was just a selfish person who thoguht she was doing everyone a favor.

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** In relation to the above, while pigs are kept as pets, having a pig for a pet in a huge metropolitan area like New York City or Los Angeles is going to draw a lot of attention and raised eyebrows for the simple fact that pigs aren’t very common pets to begin with and far less so for people living huge cities. Even if no one was going to grab Colin off the street to make some bacon, it’d still wouldn’t be worth the risk in accidentally exposing the Fables.

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** In relation to the above, while pigs are kept as pets, having a pig for a pet in a huge metropolitan area like New York City or Los Angeles is going to draw a lot of attention and raised eyebrows for the simple fact that pigs aren’t very common pets to begin with and far less so for people living huge cities. Even if no one was going to grab Colin off the street to make some bacon, it’d still wouldn’t be worth the risk in accidentally exposing the Fables.Fables.
* Lets talk about Vivian here. This woman has done nothing to convince me that she [[MisunderstoodLonerWithAHeartOfGold "really cares"]] about her friends. First off, why the prostitution business? Has the situation in their new life in new york gotten so bad that prostitution was the first "solution" to it? Half of them are magical, couldn't they just help set out a more respectable and business that would benefit each fable in the community?
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** Two points. First do you actually think that Colin will be able to do that? Honestly the guy is a bit of a loud mouth at the best of times and can't seem to tell when it's best to stop. Second is that the Farm is just as much for the protection of fables sent there as it is to keep mundies from recognizing them. As you pointed out Colin could pass for a normal pig, bad things tend to happen to normal pigs wandering in modern society though. Last thing anyone wants is for Colin to get grabbed off the street for meat by some mundie because even if slaughtering him like a normal pig doesn't stick that's gonna hurt a lot and be hard to clean up.

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** Two points. First do you actually think that Colin will be able to do that? Honestly the guy is a bit of a loud mouth at the best of times and can't seem to tell when it's best to stop. Second is that the Farm is just as much for the protection of fables sent there as it is to keep mundies from recognizing them. As you pointed out Colin could pass for a normal pig, bad things tend to happen to normal pigs wandering in modern society though. Last thing anyone wants is for Colin to get grabbed off the street for meat by some mundie because even if slaughtering him like a normal pig doesn't stick that's gonna hurt a lot and be hard to clean up.up.
** In relation to the above, while pigs are kept as pets, having a pig for a pet in a huge metropolitan area like New York City or Los Angeles is going to draw a lot of attention and raised eyebrows for the simple fact that pigs aren’t very common pets to begin with and far less so for people living huge cities. Even if no one was going to grab Colin off the street to make some bacon, it’d still wouldn’t be worth the risk in accidentally exposing the Fables.
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** Two points. First do you actually think that Colin will be able to do that? Honestly the guy is a bit of a loud mouth at the best of times and can't seem to tell when it's best to stop. Second is that the Farm is just as much for the protection of fables sent there as it is to keep mundies from recognizing them. As you pointed out Colin could pass for a normal pig, bad things tend to happen to normal pigs wandering in modern society though. Last thing anyone wants is for Colin to get grabbed off the street for meat by some mundie because even if it doesn't work that's gonna hurt a lot and be hard to clean up.

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** Two points. First do you actually think that Colin will be able to do that? Honestly the guy is a bit of a loud mouth at the best of times and can't seem to tell when it's best to stop. Second is that the Farm is just as much for the protection of fables sent there as it is to keep mundies from recognizing them. As you pointed out Colin could pass for a normal pig, bad things tend to happen to normal pigs wandering in modern society though. Last thing anyone wants is for Colin to get grabbed off the street for meat by some mundie because even if it slaughtering him like a normal pig doesn't work stick that's gonna hurt a lot and be hard to clean up.
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* Colin has a point. Why does he need a glamour to stay in fabletown? He's not a troll, a humonoid toad, or an 8 foot wolf, He's a talking pig! The whole point of Glamours is to appear normal to Mundies all Colin has to do is shut up and he can easily pass for a normal pig.

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* Colin has a point. Why does he need a glamour to stay in fabletown? He's not a troll, a humonoid toad, or an 8 foot wolf, He's a talking pig! The whole point of Glamours is to appear normal to Mundies all Colin has to do is shut up and he can easily pass for a normal pig.pig.
** Two points. First do you actually think that Colin will be able to do that? Honestly the guy is a bit of a loud mouth at the best of times and can't seem to tell when it's best to stop. Second is that the Farm is just as much for the protection of fables sent there as it is to keep mundies from recognizing them. As you pointed out Colin could pass for a normal pig, bad things tend to happen to normal pigs wandering in modern society though. Last thing anyone wants is for Colin to get grabbed off the street for meat by some mundie because even if it doesn't work that's gonna hurt a lot and be hard to clean up.
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** He's one of the main antagonists from Beowulf.

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** He's one of the main antagonists from Beowulf.
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** He's one of the main antagonists from Beowulf.

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** He's one of the main antagonists from Beowulf.Beowulf.

* Colin has a point. Why does he need a glamour to stay in fabletown? He's not a troll, a humonoid toad, or an 8 foot wolf, He's a talking pig! The whole point of Glamours is to appear normal to Mundies all Colin has to do is shut up and he can easily pass for a normal pig.
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* What fable is [[spoiler: Gwen]] from?

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* What fable is [[spoiler: Gwen]] from?from?
** He's one of the main antagonists from Beowulf.
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* Why does Bigby never once try testifying that even on the small possibility that the Crooked Man didn't directly order Georgie to kill Faith and Lily, he ''certainly'' ordered Bloody Mary to kill Bigby on several occasions, one of which Snow herself witnessed. And the fact that he changed his mind at the last second because Snow gave up Crane in no way excuses that he would have let her kill Bigby had Snow not stopped her.

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* Why does Bigby never once try testifying that even on the small possibility that the Crooked Man didn't directly order Georgie to kill Faith and Lily, he ''certainly'' ordered Bloody Mary to kill Bigby on several occasions, one of which Snow herself witnessed. And the fact that he changed his mind at the last second because Snow gave up Crane in no way excuses that he would have let her kill Bigby had Snow not stopped her.her.

* What fable is [[spoiler: Gwen]] from?
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** My theory is: [[spoiler: Faith was covering for Nerissa at the time of her death, so she probably chose to look like Nerissa for the rest of the game because the murderer would probably go after her if he knew she was till alive. And that’s why she gave Bigby a hint in the end, because she didn’t need to pretend to be Nerissa anymore.]]

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** My theory is: [[spoiler: Faith was covering for Nerissa at the time of her death, so she probably chose to look like Nerissa for the rest of the game because the murderer would probably go after her if he knew she was till still alive. And that’s why she gave Bigby a hint in the end, because she didn’t need to pretend to be Nerissa anymore.]]
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** My theory is: Faith was covering for Nerissa at the time of her death, so she probably chose to look like Nerissa for the rest of the game because the murderer would probably go after her if he knew she was till alive. And that’s why she gave Bigby a hint in the end, because she didn’t need to pretend to be Nerissa anymore.

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** My theory is: [[spoiler: Faith was covering for Nerissa at the time of her death, so she probably chose to look like Nerissa for the rest of the game because the murderer would probably go after her if he knew she was till alive. And that’s why she gave Bigby a hint in the end, because she didn’t need to pretend to be Nerissa anymore.]]
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**My theory is: Faith was covering for Nerissa at the time of her death, so she probably chose to look like Nerissa for the rest of the game because the murderer would probably go after her if he knew she was till alive. And that’s why she gave Bigby a hint in the end, because she didn’t need to pretend to be Nerissa anymore.
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** He didn't start to transform until she started arguing with him. His eyes were normal as he approached her and Bigby and only went red after she started trying to explain and he didn't listen, then the horns showed up after he grabbed Bigby and she snapped at him. It just so happened that she was getting more upset with him as he was getting more angry at Bigby. Once he calmed down, he didn't go back to normal because she was still upset with him (if not for the accusation, for starting a fight that damaged the hotel and would get her fired).

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** He didn't start to transform until she started arguing with him. His eyes were normal as he approached her and Bigby and only went red after she started trying to explain and he didn't listen, then the horns showed up after he grabbed Bigby and she snapped at him. It just so happened that she was getting more upset with him as he was getting more angry at Bigby. Once he calmed down, he didn't go back to normal because she was still upset with him (if not for the accusation, for starting a fight that damaged the hotel and would get her fired).fired).

* Why does Bigby never once try testifying that even on the small possibility that the Crooked Man didn't directly order Georgie to kill Faith and Lily, he ''certainly'' ordered Bloody Mary to kill Bigby on several occasions, one of which Snow herself witnessed. And the fact that he changed his mind at the last second because Snow gave up Crane in no way excuses that he would have let her kill Bigby had Snow not stopped her.
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** Maybe Beauty starts getting mad when he won't listen and flies off the handle thinking the two of them are having an affair.

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** Maybe Beauty starts getting mad when he won't listen and flies off the handle thinking the two of them are having an affair.affair.
** He didn't start to transform until she started arguing with him. His eyes were normal as he approached her and Bigby and only went red after she started trying to explain and he didn't listen, then the horns showed up after he grabbed Bigby and she snapped at him. It just so happened that she was getting more upset with him as he was getting more angry at Bigby. Once he calmed down, he didn't go back to normal because she was still upset with him (if not for the accusation, for starting a fight that damaged the hotel and would get her fired).
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** [[spoiler:If Nerissa's head was glamoured to look like Faith's, the glamour would've worn off eventually.]]

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** Alternatively, in the canon "path," Bigby sent Colin to the Farm.
*** The digital-first comic adaptation of the game does end with Colin being sent to the farm, so I think we can conclude that this was indeed intended as the canon path.

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** Alternatively, in the canon "path," Bigby sent [[spoiler:sent Colin to the Farm.
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*** The digital-first comic adaptation of the game does end with Colin [[spoiler:Colin being sent to the farm, farm]], so I think we can conclude that this was indeed intended as the canon path.
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*** The digital-first comic adaptation of the game does end with Colin being sent to the farm, so I think we can conclude that this was indeed intended as the canon path.
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** Maybe Beauty starts getting mad when he won't listen and flies off the handle thinking the two of them are having an affair.
* A significant amount of the game's plot revolves around Bigby going around finding answers since the girls wearing the ribbons are unable to tell him what they want to say. So... why doesn't Bigby just hand them a pencil and paper and have them write down what they want to tell him?

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** Maybe Beauty starts getting mad when he won't listen and flies off the handle thinking the two of them are having an affair.
* A significant amount of the game's plot revolves around Bigby going around finding answers since the girls wearing the ribbons are unable to tell him what they want to say. So... why doesn't Bigby just hand them a pencil and paper and have them write down what they want to tell him?
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** Maybe Beauty starts getting mad when he won't listen and flies off the handle thinking the two of them are having an affair.

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** Maybe Beauty starts getting mad when he won't listen and flies off the handle thinking the two of them are having an affair.affair.
* A significant amount of the game's plot revolves around Bigby going around finding answers since the girls wearing the ribbons are unable to tell him what they want to say. So... why doesn't Bigby just hand them a pencil and paper and have them write down what they want to tell him?
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* How about Beast beginning to transform when he finds Bigby and Beauty together? His transformation only happens if Beauty is mad at him. This however changes when [[spoiler: Beast replaces Bigby as sheriff]].

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* How about Beast beginning to transform when he finds Bigby and Beauty together? His transformation only happens if Beauty is mad at him. This however changes when [[spoiler: Beast replaces Bigby as sheriff]].sheriff]].
** Maybe Beauty starts getting mad when he won't listen and flies off the handle thinking the two of them are having an affair.
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*** And Snow still makes him go to the farm even if he does have the money and he's not happy about that.
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** The picture in Lawrence's apartment is of [[spoiler: Faith/Donkeyskin]], as they came to Fabletown together and she'd have no reason to leave him before things got bad and she had to resort to hooking.
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* How about Beast beginning to transform when he finds Bigby and Beauty together? His transformation only happens if Beauty is mad at him. This however changes when [[spoiler: Beast replaces Bigby as sheriff]].
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** If Volume 2 of the comics is any indication, then the enchantment makers are already aware of this. Weyland Smith had a similar curse put on him, and explained that he couldn't physically do anything to undermine his masters. It doesn't just prevent you from talking, it prevents you from acting except in a far more roundabout fashion than what you suggested.
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* Does it irritate anyone else that Bigby never once tries to think outside of the box in regards to getting around the 'these lips are sealed' problem? As in, 'I know you can't say anything, but maybe I can ask you some yes or no questions and you can try knocking once on the desk for no and twice for yes.' Or even just asking Nerissa to try to write down what she has to say. Maybe it wouldn't have worked, but no one even ''suggests'' it.
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* If [[spoiler:Faith is Nerissa]], who is the couple picture in Lawrence's apartment of?
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*** Lawrence overdosed, slit his wrists, has been without food and water and he shot himself in the heart / lungs and [[spoiler: he'll survive if you go there first instead of the Toad's Apartments.]] And his story isn't as popular as everyone else's.
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* So, [[spoiler:either the girl at the beginning is Nerissa pretending to be Faith or the girl at the end is Faith pretending to be Nerissa]], but why? There seems to be no real reason for either case beyond "twist ending!" Would either character really have anything to gain from the deception?

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* So, [[spoiler:either the girl at the beginning is Nerissa pretending to be Faith or the girl at the end is Faith pretending to be Nerissa]], but why? There seems to be no real reason for either case beyond "twist ending!" Would either character really have anything to gain from the deception?deception?
** I have three possible theories.
*** [[spoiler: It was a HeroicSacrifice on Nerissa's part to save Faith, not knowing that Nerissa was also in danger. Faith, to help avenge her friend, led Bigby into the case.]]
*** [[spoiler: It was suicide. She couldn't go on with her life and normal suicide would've been too difficult due to how popular her tale was compared to Lawrence. Also, her geas would've made her continue her job as a working girl against her will until someone removed her ribbon. The girls cover for each other and Nerissa has a glamour of a human form since she's a mermaid, right? Well, we already know that you don't need consent from a person to have a glamour based on their appearance so Nerissa took Faith's image and let herself be killed to escape her life of prostitution. The whole 'saving Faith' thing is a side effect.]]
*** [[spoiler: Georgie forgot / didn't know the girls regularly swapped glamours and fucked up the murder.]]

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