History Headscratchers / TheWestWing

31st Mar '18 5:40:18 AM DoctorNemesis
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** It was the 1990s when Gail was introduced, and if memory serves people were a bit less concerned about this sort of thing when it came to goldfish. Plus, these people work at the White House -- they generally have other things to think about than proper goldfish care.

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** It was the 1990s when Gail was introduced, and if memory serves people were a bit less concerned about this sort of thing when it came to goldfish.goldfish back then. Plus, these people work at the White House -- they generally have other things to think about than proper goldfish care.
31st Mar '18 5:38:34 AM DoctorNemesis
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* Gail, [=CJ=]'s goldfish: You don't have to be a PETA crazy to understand that [[http://www.petguide.com/blog/fish/cute-but-deadly-the-truth-about-fish-bowls/ it's extremely bad for their health to keep goldfish in a bowl]]. Gail could live to be ''forty'' if properly cared for. People being what they are on this show, someone (Danny?) will have told [=CJ=] by now (maybe someone clued him in if he went back to the pet shop). Therefore, in or near her office, there is a large well-appointed aquarium where Gail spends most of her time, probably with other fish. She is only in the bowl on [=CJ=]'s desk during office hours. (She will get too big for the bowl eventually, so some kind of aquarium will be needed anyhow.)

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* Gail, [=CJ=]'s goldfish: You don't have to be a PETA crazy to understand that [[http://www.petguide.com/blog/fish/cute-but-deadly-the-truth-about-fish-bowls/ it's extremely bad for their health to keep goldfish in a bowl]]. Gail could live to be ''forty'' if properly cared for. People being what they are on this show, someone (Danny?) will have told [=CJ=] by now (maybe someone clued him in if he went back to the pet shop). Therefore, in or near her office, there is a large well-appointed aquarium where Gail spends most of her time, probably with other fish. She is only in the bowl on [=CJ=]'s desk during office hours. (She will get too big for the bowl eventually, so some kind of aquarium will be needed anyhow.))
** It was the 1990s when Gail was introduced, and if memory serves people were a bit less concerned about this sort of thing when it came to goldfish. Plus, these people work at the White House -- they generally have other things to think about than proper goldfish care.
13th Mar '18 3:37:09 PM CaptEquinox
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** The bar is in Georgetown, a college town. There are plenty of bars in college towns that allow 18-20 year olds in but don't serve them alcohol. The headscratcher in this case is that they specifically show her ordering a drink, which would still be illegal, whether it was for her or not.

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** The bar is in Georgetown, a college town. There are plenty of bars in college towns that allow 18-20 year olds in but don't serve them alcohol. The headscratcher in this case is that they specifically show her ordering a drink, which would still be illegal, whether it was for her or not.not.
* Gail, [=CJ=]'s goldfish: You don't have to be a PETA crazy to understand that [[http://www.petguide.com/blog/fish/cute-but-deadly-the-truth-about-fish-bowls/ it's extremely bad for their health to keep goldfish in a bowl]]. Gail could live to be ''forty'' if properly cared for. People being what they are on this show, someone (Danny?) will have told [=CJ=] by now (maybe someone clued him in if he went back to the pet shop). Therefore, in or near her office, there is a large well-appointed aquarium where Gail spends most of her time, probably with other fish. She is only in the bowl on [=CJ=]'s desk during office hours. (She will get too big for the bowl eventually, so some kind of aquarium will be needed anyhow.)
11th Mar '18 3:11:54 PM MariaVerde
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***You never get a good look at Josh shirtless. The first thing he does when he wakes up is put his undershirt back on, so you never see his scar. Read into it what you want about Josh's psyche, the "real" reason is probably so the makeup crew didn't have to apply the scar to Bradley Witford's chest.
30th Jan '18 7:18:11 AM DoctorNemesis
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*** Since most of that takes place after the pilot episode, this is probably just a simply continuity error. Although it's worth noting that unlike Mallory Zoey is the First Daughter, who Sam would probably come into contact with more both during the campaign and in the White House than Mallory (Mallory's a grown woman with a job who presumably didn't follow her father all the way around the country during the campaign, unlike Zoey who was probably a dependent at the time), Mallory and Zoey are likely to be family friends through their fathers so would naturally know each other better than the White House staffers would, C.J. appears to have some prior connection or awareness of Leo that Sam might not have (Toby merely mentioning Leo asking for her is enough to tempt C.J. into joining the campaign, whereas Josh never mentions Leo's name to Sam when approaching him) which might explain how C.J. knows Mallory, and most of Sam's work in Communications would probably involve him dealing with the President and his family rather than Leo's. So while it might strain credibility a bit, it nevertheless is possible that Sam just might not have had occasion to cross paths with Mallory or learn that Leo had an adult daughter until fairly late in the day. I mean, I've worked with some people for years and still have no idea whether they have kids or families or whatever. Sometimes it just never comes up.

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*** Since most of that takes place after the pilot episode, this is probably just a simply continuity error. Although those points aren't particularly conclusive either: it's worth noting that unlike Mallory Zoey is the First Daughter, who Sam would probably come into contact with more both during the campaign and in the White House than Mallory (Mallory's a grown woman with a job who presumably didn't and likely wouldn't have any reason to follow her father all the way around the country during the campaign, unlike Zoey who was probably a dependent at the time), time); Mallory and Zoey are likely to be family friends through their fathers so would naturally know each other better than the White House staffers would, would (I imagine that Mallory probably spent a few evenings babysitting Zoey at some point during their lives); C.J. appears to have some prior connection or awareness of Leo that Sam might not have had before he joined the campaign (Toby merely mentioning Leo asking for her is enough to tempt C.J. into joining the campaign, whereas Josh never mentions Leo's name to Sam when approaching him) which might explain how C.J. knows Mallory, Mallory where Sam doesn't; and most of Sam's work in Communications would probably involve him dealing with the President and his family rather than Leo's. So while it might strain credibility a bit, it nevertheless is possible that Sam just might not have had occasion to cross paths with Mallory or learn that Leo had an adult daughter until fairly late in the day. I mean, I've worked with some people for years and still have no idea whether they have kids or families or whatever. Sometimes it just never comes up.
30th Jan '18 7:15:16 AM DoctorNemesis
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*** Since most of that takes place after the pilot episode, this is probably just a simply continuity error. Although it's worth noting that unlike Mallory Zoey is the First Daughter, who Sam would probably come into contact with more both during the campaign and in the White House than Mallory (Mallory's a grown woman with a job who presumably didn't follow her father all the way around the country during the campaign, unlike Zoey who was probably a dependent at the time), Mallory and Zoey are likely to be family friends through their fathers so would naturally know each other better than the White House staffers would, C.J. appears to have some prior connection or awareness of Leo that Sam might not have (Toby merely mentioning Leo asking for her is enough to tempt C.J. into joining the campaign, whereas Josh never mentions Leo's name to Sam when approaching him) which might explain how C.J. knows Mallory, and most of Sam's work in Communications would probably involve him dealing with the President and his family rather than Leo's. So while it might strain credibility a bit, it nevertheless is possible that Sam just might not have had occasion to cross paths with Mallory or learn that Leo had an adult daughter until fairly late in the day. I mean, I've worked with some people for years and still have no idea whether they have kids or families or whatever. Sometimes it just never comes up.
29th Jan '18 5:14:02 PM Flutterworc274
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***Except that we know that, in advance of the series, that Mallory and Zoey know each other well (evidenced by their relationship as presented, such as the visit to the bar with Charlie) and that they both spent time with CJ, and Sam is very familiar with Zoey also: all prior to the first series’ events. It is heavily implied that they spent a lot of time together during the campaign, so it would be odd for Sam to be so completely unaware of Mallory’s basic existence given his relationships with people who know her reasonably well. I have a sketchy recognition of my colleagues family set-up, even if I don’t know specifics, and with Sam in Communications it seems unlikely given the level of media attention they would likely have had during the campaign that he never ONCE noticed an adult daughter in Leo’s profile.
26th Nov '17 4:49:48 PM DoctorNemesis
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** It is perhaps worth noting that when Lionel is ranting and raving and waving his cricket bat threateningly, he is in fact heading towards ''Leo's'' office, not the President, which is where most of the ranting and ensuing conversation takes place. When he finally enters the Oval Office he is, if not exactly ''calm'', then hardly acting in a threatening or overtly aggressive manner. Also worth noting that Tribbey at no point ever threatens the President (he says "I will kill ''people'' today, Leo!" and never refers to the President in a violent or threatening manner). Which, granted, doesn't mean the issue goes away, but he's hardly acting like a complete maniac who needs to be taken down right this second around the President.

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** It is perhaps worth noting that when Lionel is ranting and raving and waving his cricket bat threateningly, he is in fact heading towards ''Leo's'' office, not the President, which is where most of the ranting and ensuing conversation takes place. When he finally enters the Oval Office he is, if not exactly ''calm'', then hardly acting in a threatening or overtly aggressive manner. Also worth noting that Tribbey at no point ever threatens the President directly (he says "I will kill ''people'' today, Leo!" and never refers to the President in a violent or threatening manner). Which, granted, doesn't mean the issue goes away, but he's hardly acting like a complete maniac who needs to be taken down right this second around the President.
** Also, I suspect that the White House is a place that sees its fair share of yelling, histrionics and tantrums from the people who work there, due to being a stressful working environment, and the Secret Service no doubt gives a bit of leeway with this in mind. They’re not gonna shoot-to-kill the White House Counsel just because he’s storming the corridors yelling to whoever will listen about whatever dumb thing the West Wing staff has done this time that has caused him more stress than he needs right now.
6th Feb '17 1:39:29 AM marssunshine
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If I'm just not getting the context then could someone explain it to me? Because what it comes off as is Joe calling out Josh for...whatever about Josh's PTSD episode in ''Noel''. First of all, how the hell would Joe evening know about that? It would be confidential information; and second, what the hell business is it of Joe Quincy's that Josh has PTSD anyway?! His tone and the words he use just bother me. It comes across as out of nowhere victim blaming and it steps way over the line of things you say to anyone, much less to someone you hope will hire you, and all it serves to do is, (IMO) paint Joe as an ignorant {{Jerkass}} offering an unwarranted opinion.
** I think you got the quote a little wrong. According to IMDB, the line is, "You know, not for nothing, but the people I talk to don't believe that story, and the people you'd like don't care." "The people I talk to" should probably be read as code for "conservative Republicans." The point is merely to re-assure Josh that his enemies don't believe the story enough to use it for ammo, and his friends don't think any less of him for it. And, not coincidentally, it doesn't make Joe think any less of him. As for how it got out...eh, maybe a hundred ways. By this conversation Josh seems to be using it as a punchline, and there's a chance he's mentioned it similarly to other people as well. The story makes the rounds in the usual Washington DC cocktail party fashion and eventually gets to Joe.

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If **If I'm just not getting the context then could someone explain it to me? Because what it comes off as is Joe calling out Josh for...whatever about Josh's PTSD episode in ''Noel''. First of all, how the hell would Joe evening know about that? It would be confidential information; and second, what the hell business is it of Joe Quincy's that Josh has PTSD anyway?! His tone and the words he use just bother me. It comes across as out of nowhere victim blaming and it steps way over the line of things you say to anyone, much less to someone you hope will hire you, and all it serves to do is, (IMO) paint Joe as an ignorant {{Jerkass}} offering an unwarranted opinion.
** *** I think you got the quote a little wrong. According to IMDB, the line is, "You know, not for nothing, but the people I talk to don't believe that story, and the people you'd like don't care." "The people I talk to" should probably be read as code for "conservative Republicans." The point is merely to re-assure Josh that his enemies don't believe the story enough to use it for ammo, and his friends don't think any less of him for it. And, not coincidentally, it doesn't make Joe think any less of him. As for how it got out...eh, maybe a hundred ways. By this conversation Josh seems to be using it as a punchline, and there's a chance he's mentioned it similarly to other people as well. The story makes the rounds in the usual Washington DC cocktail party fashion and eventually gets to Joe.
20th Oct '16 12:45:22 PM toomanymarbles
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** If we want to get Wild-Mass-Guessy with it, it's possible that in the universe of ''The West Wing'' the National Minimum Drinking Age Act 1984 was never passed, meaning that the legal drinking age of the District of Columbia is 18.

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** If we want to get Wild-Mass-Guessy with it, it's possible that in the universe of ''The West Wing'' the National Minimum Drinking Age Act 1984 was never passed, meaning that the legal drinking age of the District of Columbia is 18.18.
** The bar is in Georgetown, a college town. There are plenty of bars in college towns that allow 18-20 year olds in but don't serve them alcohol. The headscratcher in this case is that they specifically show her ordering a drink, which would still be illegal, whether it was for her or not.
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