History Headscratchers / TheWestWing

26th Nov '17 4:49:48 PM DoctorNemesis
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** It is perhaps worth noting that when Lionel is ranting and raving and waving his cricket bat threateningly, he is in fact heading towards ''Leo's'' office, not the President, which is where most of the ranting and ensuing conversation takes place. When he finally enters the Oval Office he is, if not exactly ''calm'', then hardly acting in a threatening or overtly aggressive manner. Also worth noting that Tribbey at no point ever threatens the President (he says "I will kill ''people'' today, Leo!" and never refers to the President in a violent or threatening manner). Which, granted, doesn't mean the issue goes away, but he's hardly acting like a complete maniac who needs to be taken down right this second around the President.

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** It is perhaps worth noting that when Lionel is ranting and raving and waving his cricket bat threateningly, he is in fact heading towards ''Leo's'' office, not the President, which is where most of the ranting and ensuing conversation takes place. When he finally enters the Oval Office he is, if not exactly ''calm'', then hardly acting in a threatening or overtly aggressive manner. Also worth noting that Tribbey at no point ever threatens the President directly (he says "I will kill ''people'' today, Leo!" and never refers to the President in a violent or threatening manner). Which, granted, doesn't mean the issue goes away, but he's hardly acting like a complete maniac who needs to be taken down right this second around the President.
** Also, I suspect that the White House is a place that sees its fair share of yelling, histrionics and tantrums from the people who work there, due to being a stressful working environment, and the Secret Service no doubt gives a bit of leeway with this in mind. They’re not gonna shoot-to-kill the White House Counsel just because he’s storming the corridors yelling to whoever will listen about whatever dumb thing the West Wing staff has done this time that has caused him more stress than he needs right now.
6th Feb '17 1:39:29 AM marssunshine
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If I'm just not getting the context then could someone explain it to me? Because what it comes off as is Joe calling out Josh for...whatever about Josh's PTSD episode in ''Noel''. First of all, how the hell would Joe evening know about that? It would be confidential information; and second, what the hell business is it of Joe Quincy's that Josh has PTSD anyway?! His tone and the words he use just bother me. It comes across as out of nowhere victim blaming and it steps way over the line of things you say to anyone, much less to someone you hope will hire you, and all it serves to do is, (IMO) paint Joe as an ignorant {{Jerkass}} offering an unwarranted opinion.
** I think you got the quote a little wrong. According to IMDB, the line is, "You know, not for nothing, but the people I talk to don't believe that story, and the people you'd like don't care." "The people I talk to" should probably be read as code for "conservative Republicans." The point is merely to re-assure Josh that his enemies don't believe the story enough to use it for ammo, and his friends don't think any less of him for it. And, not coincidentally, it doesn't make Joe think any less of him. As for how it got out...eh, maybe a hundred ways. By this conversation Josh seems to be using it as a punchline, and there's a chance he's mentioned it similarly to other people as well. The story makes the rounds in the usual Washington DC cocktail party fashion and eventually gets to Joe.

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If **If I'm just not getting the context then could someone explain it to me? Because what it comes off as is Joe calling out Josh for...whatever about Josh's PTSD episode in ''Noel''. First of all, how the hell would Joe evening know about that? It would be confidential information; and second, what the hell business is it of Joe Quincy's that Josh has PTSD anyway?! His tone and the words he use just bother me. It comes across as out of nowhere victim blaming and it steps way over the line of things you say to anyone, much less to someone you hope will hire you, and all it serves to do is, (IMO) paint Joe as an ignorant {{Jerkass}} offering an unwarranted opinion.
** *** I think you got the quote a little wrong. According to IMDB, the line is, "You know, not for nothing, but the people I talk to don't believe that story, and the people you'd like don't care." "The people I talk to" should probably be read as code for "conservative Republicans." The point is merely to re-assure Josh that his enemies don't believe the story enough to use it for ammo, and his friends don't think any less of him for it. And, not coincidentally, it doesn't make Joe think any less of him. As for how it got out...eh, maybe a hundred ways. By this conversation Josh seems to be using it as a punchline, and there's a chance he's mentioned it similarly to other people as well. The story makes the rounds in the usual Washington DC cocktail party fashion and eventually gets to Joe.
20th Oct '16 12:45:22 PM toomanymarbles
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** If we want to get Wild-Mass-Guessy with it, it's possible that in the universe of ''The West Wing'' the National Minimum Drinking Age Act 1984 was never passed, meaning that the legal drinking age of the District of Columbia is 18.

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** If we want to get Wild-Mass-Guessy with it, it's possible that in the universe of ''The West Wing'' the National Minimum Drinking Age Act 1984 was never passed, meaning that the legal drinking age of the District of Columbia is 18.18.
** The bar is in Georgetown, a college town. There are plenty of bars in college towns that allow 18-20 year olds in but don't serve them alcohol. The headscratcher in this case is that they specifically show her ordering a drink, which would still be illegal, whether it was for her or not.
20th Oct '16 12:35:40 PM toomanymarbles
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***Ann Stark was the source. Toby said it to her.
17th Oct '16 7:19:36 AM DoctorNemesis
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* Am I missing something, or are the laws different in DC that a 19 year old is allowed into a bar?

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* Am I missing something, or are the laws different in DC that a 19 year old is allowed into a bar?bar?
** If we want to get Wild-Mass-Guessy with it, it's possible that in the universe of ''The West Wing'' the National Minimum Drinking Age Act 1984 was never passed, meaning that the legal drinking age of the District of Columbia is 18.
13th Oct '16 7:05:44 PM LupineMoon
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* Am I missing something, or are the laws different in DC that the drinking age is under 21, thus allowing Zoey to go to a bar at 19 (or 17 for that matter after the retcon) in Season 1? I assume by Season 4, she's actually 21 when she goes out with Jean-Paul.

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* Am I missing something, or are the laws different in DC that the drinking age a 19 year old is under 21, thus allowing Zoey to go to allowed into a bar at 19 (or 17 for that matter after the retcon) in Season 1? I assume by Season 4, she's actually 21 when she goes out with Jean-Paul.bar?
13th Oct '16 8:11:50 AM LupineMoon
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** Why ''wouldn't'' he think that? Leo's not that old, neither's his wife, and Sam and Leo aren't exactly people who spend a lot of time with their ''own'' families, let alone the families of their co-workers. Political campaigns and working in the White House aren't generally family environments (so the occasions for Sam to meet Mallory before then would be slim), Leo and Sam don't exactly hang out a lot personally or share a lot of personal information, and Leo's whole character is that he's a complete workaholic who has separated his work and family lives to such a degree that he gets divorced about four episodes into Season One. Since it's established that Sam barely knows Leo's wife, there's a equally good chance that he's never met Leo's daughter and knows only what little scraps of information Leo has revealed about her, which probably isn't that much beyond the fact of her existence. So when he hears that his boss's daughter's fourth-grade class is coming to the White House, he makes the assumption that many reasonable people might make about someone they've never met and know hardly anything about when given that information -- that Leo's daughter is a student in the class rather than the teacher.

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** Why ''wouldn't'' he think that? Leo's not that old, neither's his wife, and Sam and Leo aren't exactly people who spend a lot of time with their ''own'' families, let alone the families of their co-workers. Political campaigns and working in the White House aren't generally family environments (so the occasions for Sam to meet Mallory before then would be slim), Leo and Sam don't exactly hang out a lot personally or share a lot of personal information, and Leo's whole character is that he's a complete workaholic who has separated his work and family lives to such a degree that he gets divorced about four episodes into Season One. Since it's established that Sam barely knows Leo's wife, there's a equally good chance that he's never met Leo's daughter and knows only what little scraps of information Leo has revealed about her, which probably isn't that much beyond the fact of her existence. So when he hears that his boss's daughter's fourth-grade class is coming to the White House, he makes the assumption that many reasonable people might make about someone they've never met and know hardly anything about when given that information -- that Leo's daughter is a student in the class rather than the teacher.teacher.
* Am I missing something, or are the laws different in DC that the drinking age is under 21, thus allowing Zoey to go to a bar at 19 (or 17 for that matter after the retcon) in Season 1? I assume by Season 4, she's actually 21 when she goes out with Jean-Paul.
14th Aug '16 6:51:00 PM Sarah1281
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** And anyway, you can't arrest someone for BEING a prostitute. She'd have to be caught in the act and after the crap she'd just gotten into because of Sam's job and politics, they weren't looking to make her life harder.
19th Mar '16 5:07:55 AM han090
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** If Ann Stark managed to get the quote, she has to have gotten the information from somewhere, so it would absolutely come back to bite her if for example Toby told another staff member about it, and that other staff member is her source.
15th Jan '16 2:01:43 PM laserviking42
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** After MIR suffered a docking collision, few of its sections were permanently depressurized, but the station went on fine for many more years until it was decommissioned for fairly unrelated reasons. A malfunction that threatened the entire station and disabled the aforementioned lifeboats should have been described less as an "oxygen leak" and more as a "prolonged encounter with a meteor shower".

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** After MIR suffered a docking collision, a few of its sections were permanently depressurized, but the station went on fine for many more years until it was decommissioned for fairly unrelated reasons. A malfunction that threatened the entire station and disabled the aforementioned lifeboats should have been described less as an "oxygen leak" and more as a "prolonged encounter with a meteor shower".
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