History Headscratchers / TheThickOfIt

9th Nov '17 2:10:48 PM Apolloin
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*** There's also the fact that ''The Thick of It'' focusses mainly on political ''communication'', whereas ''Series/YesMinister'' focussed on political ''administration''. The conflict in the earlier show was between politicians trying to set policy and get civil servants to carry it out, and civil servants trying to block policy that they thought was impractical / ill-advised / working against their best interests. ''The Thick of It'', however, is more about spin, messaging and politicians trying to control how information is released to the public, and how their advisors / civil servants help or hinder with this. A Permanent Secretary is an important figure in terms of the overall administration of a government department, but when it comes to the message that would be handled more directly by a Director of Communications like Terri or Malcolm. Not to mention that Sir Humphrey wouldn't have gotten within four feet of the media if he could help it or unless he would have benefited in some way from it.

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*** There's also the fact that ''The Thick of It'' focusses mainly on political ''communication'', whereas ''Series/YesMinister'' focussed on political ''administration''. The conflict in the earlier show was between politicians trying to set policy and get civil servants to carry it out, and civil servants trying to block policy that they thought was impractical / ill-advised / working against their best interests. ''The Thick of It'', however, is more about spin, messaging and politicians trying to control how information is released to the public, and how their advisors / civil servants help or hinder with this. A Permanent Secretary is an important figure in terms of the overall administration of a government department, but when it comes to the message that would be handled more directly by a Director of Communications like Terri or Malcolm. Not to mention that Sir Humphrey wouldn't have gotten within four feet of the media if he could help it or unless he would have benefited in some way from it.it.
*** ITTOI is a successor to 'Yes Minister' and part of what needed to be updated was the changed circumstances in Whitehall since that satire was written. The reign of the Civil Service was deliberately attacked and broken by the career politicians (for precisely the reasons seen in 'Yes Minister') and the New Labour era saw the Service replaced by a new political class that study politics in Oxbridge, start by volunteering for their party in university and go straight into political careers on graduation. One only has to read the news and see the near-constant attacks on Civil Service privilege, compensation and prestige. The Civil Service's current role in British Politics is Judas Goat.
3rd Jul '17 4:02:02 AM Piterpicher
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*** Agreed, until Robin shows up the department appears to consist entirely of Hugh, Glenn, Ollie and Terri. There must be more people in a government department and presumably the Permanent Secretary is somewhere among the rest of them. Terri's role appeared to be doing what the Minister told her (as the Director of Communications, she was naturally frequently needing to take directions from him in regards to what would be communicated) whereas presumably the Permanent Secretary was off being in charge of the other civil servants and acting largely autonomously. As much as the classic comedy lover in me would have loved to see a conversation between a Sir Humphrey expy and Malcolm Tucker (SesquipedalianLoquaciousness vs. SirSwearsALot), it's really no more unusual that the role didn't appear on TheThickOfIt than the fact that there were really no equivalents to Glenn and Ollie on Series/YesMinister.

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*** Agreed, until Robin shows up the department appears to consist entirely of Hugh, Glenn, Ollie and Terri. There must be more people in a government department and presumably the Permanent Secretary is somewhere among the rest of them. Terri's role appeared to be doing what the Minister told her (as the Director of Communications, she was naturally frequently needing to take directions from him in regards to what would be communicated) whereas presumably the Permanent Secretary was off being in charge of the other civil servants and acting largely autonomously. As much as the classic comedy lover in me would have loved to see a conversation between a Sir Humphrey expy and Malcolm Tucker (SesquipedalianLoquaciousness vs. SirSwearsALot), it's really no more unusual that the role didn't appear on TheThickOfIt ''Series/TheThickOfIt'' than the fact that there were really no equivalents to Glenn and Ollie on Series/YesMinister.
11th Jun '17 3:16:05 PM nombretomado
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*** Agreed, until Robin shows up the department appears to consist entirely of Hugh, Glenn, Ollie and Terri. There must be more people in a government department and presumably the Permanent Secretary is somewhere among the rest of them. Terri's role appeared to be doing what the Minister told her (as the Director of Communications, she was naturally frequently needing to take directions from him in regards to what would be communicated) whereas presumably the Permanent Secretary was off being in charge of the other civil servants and acting largely autonomously. As much as the classic comedy lover in me would have loved to see a conversation between a Sir Humphrey expy and Malcolm Tucker (SesquipedalianLoquaciousness vs. SirSwearsALot), it's really no more unusual that the role didn't appear on TheThickOfIt than the fact that there were really no equivalents to Glenn and Ollie on YesMinister.

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*** Agreed, until Robin shows up the department appears to consist entirely of Hugh, Glenn, Ollie and Terri. There must be more people in a government department and presumably the Permanent Secretary is somewhere among the rest of them. Terri's role appeared to be doing what the Minister told her (as the Director of Communications, she was naturally frequently needing to take directions from him in regards to what would be communicated) whereas presumably the Permanent Secretary was off being in charge of the other civil servants and acting largely autonomously. As much as the classic comedy lover in me would have loved to see a conversation between a Sir Humphrey expy and Malcolm Tucker (SesquipedalianLoquaciousness vs. SirSwearsALot), it's really no more unusual that the role didn't appear on TheThickOfIt than the fact that there were really no equivalents to Glenn and Ollie on YesMinister.Series/YesMinister.
30th May '17 8:57:53 AM DoctorNemesis
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*** There's also the fact that ''The Thick of It'' focusses mainly on political ''communication'', whereas ''Series/YesMinister'' focussed on political ''administration''. The conflict in the earlier show was between politicians trying to set policy and get civil servants to carry it out, and civil servants trying to block policy that they thought was impractical / ill-advised / working against their best interests. ''The Thick of It'', however, is more about spin, messaging and politicians trying to control how information is released to the public, and how their advisors / civil servants help or hinder with this. A Permanent Secretary is an important figure in terms of the overall administration of a government department, but when it comes to the message that would be handled more directly by a Director of Communications like Terri or Malcolm.

to:

*** There's also the fact that ''The Thick of It'' focusses mainly on political ''communication'', whereas ''Series/YesMinister'' focussed on political ''administration''. The conflict in the earlier show was between politicians trying to set policy and get civil servants to carry it out, and civil servants trying to block policy that they thought was impractical / ill-advised / working against their best interests. ''The Thick of It'', however, is more about spin, messaging and politicians trying to control how information is released to the public, and how their advisors / civil servants help or hinder with this. A Permanent Secretary is an important figure in terms of the overall administration of a government department, but when it comes to the message that would be handled more directly by a Director of Communications like Terri or Malcolm. Not to mention that Sir Humphrey wouldn't have gotten within four feet of the media if he could help it or unless he would have benefited in some way from it.
30th May '17 8:55:27 AM DoctorNemesis
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*** There's also the fact that ''The Thick of It'' focusses mainly on political ''communication'', whereas ''Series/YesMinister'' focussed on political ''administration''. The conflict in the earlier show was between politicians trying to set policy and get civil servants to carry it out, and civil servants trying to block policy that they thought was impractical / ill-advised / works against their best interests. ''The Thick of It'', however, is more about spin, messaging and politicians trying to control how information is released to the public, and how their advisors / civil servants help or hinder with this. A Permanent Secretary is an important figure in terms of the overall administration of a government department, but when it comes to the message that would be handled more directly by a Director of Communications like Terri or Malcolm.

to:

*** There's also the fact that ''The Thick of It'' focusses mainly on political ''communication'', whereas ''Series/YesMinister'' focussed on political ''administration''. The conflict in the earlier show was between politicians trying to set policy and get civil servants to carry it out, and civil servants trying to block policy that they thought was impractical / ill-advised / works working against their best interests. ''The Thick of It'', however, is more about spin, messaging and politicians trying to control how information is released to the public, and how their advisors / civil servants help or hinder with this. A Permanent Secretary is an important figure in terms of the overall administration of a government department, but when it comes to the message that would be handled more directly by a Director of Communications like Terri or Malcolm.
25th Apr '17 2:27:55 AM DoctorNemesis
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*** There's also the fact that ''The Thick of It'' focusses mainly on political ''communication'', whereas ''Series/YesMinister'' focussed on political ''administration''. The conflict in the earlier show was between politicians trying to set policy and get civil servants to carry it out, and civil servants trying to block policy that they thought was impractical / ill-advised / works against their best interests. ''The Thick of It'', however, is more about spin, messaging and politicians trying to control how information is released to the public, and how their advisors / civil servants help or hinder with this. A Permanent Secretary is an important figure in terms of the overall administration of a government department, but when it comes to the message that would be handled more directly by a Director of Communications.

to:

*** There's also the fact that ''The Thick of It'' focusses mainly on political ''communication'', whereas ''Series/YesMinister'' focussed on political ''administration''. The conflict in the earlier show was between politicians trying to set policy and get civil servants to carry it out, and civil servants trying to block policy that they thought was impractical / ill-advised / works against their best interests. ''The Thick of It'', however, is more about spin, messaging and politicians trying to control how information is released to the public, and how their advisors / civil servants help or hinder with this. A Permanent Secretary is an important figure in terms of the overall administration of a government department, but when it comes to the message that would be handled more directly by a Director of Communications.Communications like Terri or Malcolm.
25th Apr '17 2:24:35 AM DoctorNemesis
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*** Well, this one's simple; there probably was a Permanent Secretary, we just didn't see him or her because the show wasn't about him or her, it was about political communications more than political administration, and focussed on more junior civil servants / advisors and their interactions with the minister. So we just assume he / she exists somewhere else running the overall department and focus on the other characters instead. After all, there's already been a show about Ministers and Permanent Secretaries, why do the same thing twice?
*** Agreed, until Robin shows up the department appears to consist entirely of Hugh, Glenn, Ollie and Terri. There must be more people in a government department and presumably the Permanent Secretary is somewhere among the rest of them. Terri's role appeared to be doing what the Minister told her (as the Director of Communications, she was naturally frequently needing to take directions from him in regards to what would be communicated) whereas presumably the Permanent Secretary was off being in charge of the other civil servants and acting largely autonomously. As much as the classic comedy lover in me would have loved to see a conversation between a Sir Humphrey expy and Malcolm Tucker (SesquipedalianLoquaciousness vs. SirSwearsALot), it's really no more unusual that the role didn't appear on TheThickOfIt than the fact that there were really no equivalents to Glenn and Ollie on YesMinister.

to:

*** Well, this one's simple; there probably was a Permanent Secretary, we just didn't see him or her because the show wasn't about him or her, it was about political communications more than political administration, and focussed on the more junior civil servants / advisors and their interactions with the minister. So we just assume he / she exists somewhere else running the overall department and focus on the other characters instead. After all, there's already been a show about Ministers and Permanent Secretaries, why do the same thing twice?
*** Agreed, until Robin shows up the department appears to consist entirely of Hugh, Glenn, Ollie and Terri. There must be more people in a government department and presumably the Permanent Secretary is somewhere among the rest of them. Terri's role appeared to be doing what the Minister told her (as the Director of Communications, she was naturally frequently needing to take directions from him in regards to what would be communicated) whereas presumably the Permanent Secretary was off being in charge of the other civil servants and acting largely autonomously. As much as the classic comedy lover in me would have loved to see a conversation between a Sir Humphrey expy and Malcolm Tucker (SesquipedalianLoquaciousness vs. SirSwearsALot), it's really no more unusual that the role didn't appear on TheThickOfIt than the fact that there were really no equivalents to Glenn and Ollie on YesMinister.YesMinister.
*** There's also the fact that ''The Thick of It'' focusses mainly on political ''communication'', whereas ''Series/YesMinister'' focussed on political ''administration''. The conflict in the earlier show was between politicians trying to set policy and get civil servants to carry it out, and civil servants trying to block policy that they thought was impractical / ill-advised / works against their best interests. ''The Thick of It'', however, is more about spin, messaging and politicians trying to control how information is released to the public, and how their advisors / civil servants help or hinder with this. A Permanent Secretary is an important figure in terms of the overall administration of a government department, but when it comes to the message that would be handled more directly by a Director of Communications.
24th Apr '17 11:51:38 PM DoctorNemesis
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*** Well, this one's simple; there probably was a Permanent Secretary, we just didn't see him or her because the show wasn't about him or her, it was about political communications more than political administration, and focussed on more junior civil servants / advisors and their interactions with the minister. So we just assume he / she exists somewhere else running the department and focus on the other characters instead. After all, there's already been a show about Ministers and Permanent Secretaries, why do the same thing twice?

to:

*** Well, this one's simple; there probably was a Permanent Secretary, we just didn't see him or her because the show wasn't about him or her, it was about political communications more than political administration, and focussed on more junior civil servants / advisors and their interactions with the minister. So we just assume he / she exists somewhere else running the overall department and focus on the other characters instead. After all, there's already been a show about Ministers and Permanent Secretaries, why do the same thing twice?
24th Apr '17 11:51:22 PM DoctorNemesis
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*** Well, this one's simple; there probably was a Permanent Secretary, we just didn't see him or her because the show wasn't about him or her, it was about the more junior civil servants / advisors and their interactions with the minister. So we just assume he / she exists somewhere else and focus on the other characters instead. After all, there's already been a show about Ministers and Permanent Secretaries, why do the same thing twice?

to:

*** Well, this one's simple; there probably was a Permanent Secretary, we just didn't see him or her because the show wasn't about him or her, it was about the political communications more than political administration, and focussed on more junior civil servants / advisors and their interactions with the minister. So we just assume he / she exists somewhere else running the department and focus on the other characters instead. After all, there's already been a show about Ministers and Permanent Secretaries, why do the same thing twice?
16th Jan '17 8:59:51 PM ApeAccount
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*** Well, this one's simple; there probably was a Permanent Secretary, we just didn't see him or her because the show wasn't about him or her, it was about the more junior civil servants / advisors and their interactions with the minister. So we just assume he / she exists somewhere else and focus on the other characters instead. After all, there's already been a show about Ministers and Permanent Secretaries, why do the same thing twice?

to:

*** Well, this one's simple; there probably was a Permanent Secretary, we just didn't see him or her because the show wasn't about him or her, it was about the more junior civil servants / advisors and their interactions with the minister. So we just assume he / she exists somewhere else and focus on the other characters instead. After all, there's already been a show about Ministers and Permanent Secretaries, why do the same thing twice?twice?
*** Agreed, until Robin shows up the department appears to consist entirely of Hugh, Glenn, Ollie and Terri. There must be more people in a government department and presumably the Permanent Secretary is somewhere among the rest of them. Terri's role appeared to be doing what the Minister told her (as the Director of Communications, she was naturally frequently needing to take directions from him in regards to what would be communicated) whereas presumably the Permanent Secretary was off being in charge of the other civil servants and acting largely autonomously. As much as the classic comedy lover in me would have loved to see a conversation between a Sir Humphrey expy and Malcolm Tucker (SesquipedalianLoquaciousness vs. SirSwearsALot), it's really no more unusual that the role didn't appear on TheThickOfIt than the fact that there were really no equivalents to Glenn and Ollie on YesMinister.
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