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** It's also not exactly clear what "broken" means. It could be the result of trauma, but many of the Radiants we've seen seem to have both a traumatic past ''and'' a mental illness. Dalinar's got severe anger problems, or at least, he used to, Kaladin's got depression, Shallan's got something like Dissociative Identity Disorder, Renarin's developmentally disabled, Szeth has... Borderline Personality Disorder? Schizophrenia?... no idea, Teft is a drug addict, Lopen is ... [[CloudCuckooLander Lopen]]...

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** It's also not exactly clear what "broken" means. It could be the result of trauma, but many of the Radiants we've seen seem to have both a traumatic past ''and'' a mental illness. Dalinar's got severe anger problems, or at least, he used to, Kaladin's got depression, Shallan's got something like Dissociative Identity Disorder, Renarin's developmentally disabled, disabled or on autism spectrum, Szeth has... Borderline Personality Disorder? Schizophrenia?... no idea, Teft is a drug addict, Lopen is ... [[CloudCuckooLander Lopen]]...
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** It's also not exactly clear what "broken" means. It could be the result of trauma, but many of the Radiants we've seen seem to have both a traumatic past ''and'' a mental illness. Gavilar's got severe anger problems, Kaladin's got depression, Shallan's got something like Dissociative Identity Disorder, Renarin's developmentally disabled, Szeth has... Borderline Personality Disorder? Schizophrenia?... no idea, Teft is a drug addict, Lopen is ... [[CloudCuckooLander Lopen]]...

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** It's also not exactly clear what "broken" means. It could be the result of trauma, but many of the Radiants we've seen seem to have both a traumatic past ''and'' a mental illness. Gavilar's Dalinar's got severe anger problems, or at least, he used to, Kaladin's got depression, Shallan's got something like Dissociative Identity Disorder, Renarin's developmentally disabled, Szeth has... Borderline Personality Disorder? Schizophrenia?... no idea, Teft is a drug addict, Lopen is ... [[CloudCuckooLander Lopen]]...
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** ''Oathbringer'' lends credit to the other theory, however: Gavillar tells he found a way to enforce a Desolation, and we see the Diagram being wrong. Also, Taln's line on failing could be about stopping whatever Gavillar was doing, or Taln could be just too broken to clearely recall it, only getting different glimpses at different times. The Stormfather also points out that Honor's limit was him believing men were as bound as oaths as he was, so him blocking the Singers to come back from their side but not considering that men could pull them in from the other would be consistent with it.

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** ''Oathbringer'' lends credit to the other theory, however: Gavillar Gavilar tells he found a way to enforce a Desolation, and we see the Diagram being wrong. Also, Taln's line on failing could be about stopping whatever Gavillar Gavilar was doing, or Taln could be just too broken to clearely recall it, only getting different glimpses at different times. The Stormfather also points out that Honor's limit was him believing men were as bound as oaths as he was, so him blocking the Singers to come back from their side but not considering that men could pull them in from the other would be consistent with it.




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** It's also not exactly clear what "broken" means. It could be the result of trauma, but many of the Radiants we've seen seem to have both a traumatic past ''and'' a mental illness. Gavilar's got severe anger problems, Kaladin's got depression, Shallan's got something like Dissociative Identity Disorder, Renarin's developmentally disabled, Szeth has... Borderline Personality Disorder? Schizophrenia?... no idea, Teft is a drug addict, Lopen is ... [[CloudCuckooLander Lopen]]...
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** To split hairs a bit, they have to ''be'' broken, not ''have been'' broken, was the wording between Syl and Kaladin in that conversation. And a troubled past doesn't necessarily mean {{PTSD}}. We've seen Depression, Dissociative Identity, I'm not anywhere near equipped to diagnose Szeth... all of them seem to have mental illness besides past trauma. Jasnah has a dead father, a lifetime in a society that oppresses her gender, her religious views, and possibly her sexual preferences. I'm just not seeing "she dislikes rapists" as being an implication of "she was raped." Most women in real life, whether or not they've been raped, don't have a soft spot for rapists.

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** To split hairs a bit, they have to ''be'' broken, not ''have been'' broken, was the wording between Syl and Kaladin in that conversation. And a troubled past doesn't necessarily mean {{PTSD}}.[=PTSD=]. We've seen Depression, Dissociative Identity, I'm not anywhere near equipped to diagnose Szeth... all of them seem to have mental illness besides past trauma. Jasnah has a dead father, a lifetime in a society that oppresses her gender, her religious views, and possibly her sexual preferences. I'm just not seeing "she dislikes rapists" as being an implication of "she was raped." Most women in real life, whether or not they've been raped, don't have a soft spot for rapists.
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** To split hairs a bit, they have to ''be'' broken, not ''have been'' broken, was the wording between Syl and Kaladin in that conversation. And a troubled past doesn't necessarily mean {{PTSD}}. We've seen Depression, Dissociative Identity, I'm not anywhere near equipped to diagnose Szeth... all of them seem to have mental illness besides past trauma. Jasnah has a dead father, a lifetime in a society that oppresses her gender, her religious views, and possibly her sexual preferences. I'm just not seeing "she dislikes rapists" as being an implication of "she was raped." Most women in real life, whether or not they've been raped, don't have a soft spot for rapists.
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** In ''Oathbringer'' there are little suggestions that as a young girl she suffered a mental breakdown and (as we saw in monastery with Taln) was forced to spend time alone in a dark room until she recovered.
-->Glimmers of memory from a dark room, screaming her voice ragged. A childhood illness nobody else seemed to remember, for all it had done to her. It had taught her that people she loved could still hurt her.
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** Also, they have a soulcaster that she plans to replace the stolen one with. The idea, was that Jashna would think her soulcaster had broken, fix it or find another stone to replace the broken one, and there would be no harm no foul.Or, failing that, that Shallan would be gone by the next time Jashna tried to use it anyway. From my understanding, the reason they can not fix their own family's soulcaster is because none of them have the knowledge to fix it, and are afraid to look to outside help because it would make them appear weak and vulnerable (and also because, I believe, their family has not et others know that the reason they have been as profitable as they have been was because they had a soulcaster).

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** Also, they have a soulcaster that she plans to replace the stolen one with. The idea, was that Jashna Jasnah would think her soulcaster had broken, fix it or find another stone to replace the broken one, and there would be no harm no foul.Or, failing that, that Shallan would be gone by the next time Jashna Jasnah tried to use it anyway. From my understanding, the reason they can not fix their own family's soulcaster is because none of them have the knowledge to fix it, and are afraid to look to outside help because it would make them appear weak and vulnerable (and also because, I believe, their family has not et others know that the reason they have been as profitable as they have been was because they had a soulcaster).
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** Nin actually at had (at least at one point) ''three'' Blades - his own Honorblade, [[spoiler: Nightblood]] and [[spoiler: his own Shardblade, since he alone among the Heralds actually joined the Order dedicated to him.]]

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** Nin actually at had (at least at one point) ''three'' Blades - his own Honorblade, [[spoiler: Nightblood]] and [[spoiler: his own Shardblade, since he alone among the Heralds actually joined the Order dedicated to him.]] Although [[spoiler: currently Nightblood has been given to Szeth, and he doesn't seem to be looking for reclaiming it, so he should be down to two.]]




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*** One would wonder, if that were possible, if one could control all the Surges, at least in theory.

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** ''Oathbringer'' lends credit to the other theory, however: Gavillar tells he found a way to enforce a Desolation, and we see the Diagram being wrong. Also, Taln's line on failing could be about stopping whatever Gavillar was doing, or Taln could be just too broken to clearely recall it, only getting different glimpses at different times. The Stormfather also points out that Honor's limit was him believing men were as bound as oaths as he was, so him blocking the Singers to come back from their side but not considering that men could pull them in from the other would be consistent with it.



*** Notice that the moment the spren shows up is when Lopen being more open and serious, aknowledging that missing an arm can be hard to help a soldier who was going through the same thing. There's also the saying that those who are saddest are the ones who try the hardest to make people smile, and the Lopen could basically embody that.




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** Also, showing her childhood before would have spoiled the reveal of her role in her mother's death. The Lightweavers oaths being truth, I also think that admitting she's lying about her childhood will become a point in future books, particularly now that she's reunited with her brothers and can see them as broken despite the new lifestyle, while she blamed it all on the circumstances before. Also, we actually ''saw'' two things: her mother agreeing to make another man come to kill her, and what kind of person her father was, and you don't just become like that in one day. I don't really think that having a mother who could do that could leave a child without scars, or that her father only changed afterwards (particularly since he sheltered and constricted her as if it was for her own good, something he might as well have been doing before).




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** We find out that the Diagram was the very reason he contacted the Nightwatcher (he wanted to be able to save the people of Roshar, and the Diagram is all about that), so it would be senseless not to follow it.


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** Also, them not knowing how it all worked is a plot point, and we are only on book three (out of ten), so it's pretty likely that many of those misteries are supposed to remain unsolved for quite a while.
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** She has to have been broken somehow, and she shows a particular hatred for the thieves in the alley who were implied to also be rapists. Having a special hatred of rapists doesn't necessarily require her to have been raped, but it's how these things usually go.
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*** As of the end of ''{{Literature/Oathbringer}}'', Lopen does indeed have a spren. Besides, just because someone is upbeat doesn't mean they aren't hurting inside. It just means they're good at hiding it.

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*** As of the end of ''{{Literature/Oathbringer}}'', ''Oathbringer'', Lopen does indeed have a spren. Besides, just because someone is upbeat doesn't mean they aren't hurting inside. It just means they're good at hiding it.
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*** As of the end of ''{{Literature/Oathbringer}}'', Lopen does indeed have a spren. Besides, just because someone is upbeat doesn't mean they aren't hurting inside. It just means they're good at hiding it.
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* Where are people getting the idea that Jasnah was raped? I've read all three books, and seen no evidence of it, aside from the fact that she doesn't seem interested in men, which seems like a bit of a logical leap.
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** Is it possible that BioChromatic Breath includes some of the originator's Connection and/or Identity? It might account for the difference if it wasn't pure Investiture, and might explain the workings of Awakening
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** Though this isn't tested, Dalinar believes using another order's Honorblade is possible and would grant its surges. There would be very little reason to use your own Order's honorblade, because they're less efficient than the Nahel Bond.
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** Notably, in ''Oathbringer'', Nightblood is picked up by a fleeing criminal. It doesn't kill him, because the man is simply trying to escape from Szeth, rather for any ill intent, so picking up Nightblood purely for self-defense seems to be a valid option.
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** As of Oathbringer, we now have further insight into this. It is implied that Shardplate are granted to Radiants who have sworn the Final Ideal of their respective Order's, presumably as a final sign of their dedication, similar to access to the surges and the Shardblade.

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** As of Oathbringer, we now have further insight into this. It is implied that Shardplate are granted to Radiants who have sworn the Final Fourth Ideal of their respective Order's, Orders, presumably as a final sign of their dedication, similar to access to the surges and the Shardblade.
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** Nin actually at had (at least at one point) ''three'' Bladeslades - his own Honorblade, [[spoiler: Nightblood]] and [[spoiler: his own Shardblade, since he alone among the Heralds actually joined the Order dedicated to him.]]

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** Nin actually at had (at least at one point) ''three'' Bladeslades Blades - his own Honorblade, [[spoiler: Nightblood]] and [[spoiler: his own Shardblade, since he alone among the Heralds actually joined the Order dedicated to him.]]
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** Nin actually at had, at least at one point THREE Bladeslades - his own Honorblade, [[spoiler: Nightblood]] and [[spoiler: his own Shardblade, since he alone among the Heralds actually joined the Order dedicated to him.]]

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** Nin actually at had, at had (at least at one point THREE point) ''three'' Bladeslades - his own Honorblade, [[spoiler: Nightblood]] and [[spoiler: his own Shardblade, since he alone among the Heralds actually joined the Order dedicated to him.]]
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** Nin actually at had, at least at one point THREE Bladeslades - his own Honorblade, [[spoiler: Nightblood]] and [[spoiler: his own Shardblade, since he alone among the Heralds actually joined the Order dedicated to him.]]
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** As of Oathbringer, we now have further insight into this. It is implied that Shardplate are granted to Radiants who have sworn the Final Ideal of their respective Order's, presumably as a final sign of their dedication, similar to access to the surges and the Shardblade.
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** ''Oathbringer'' confirms that they are sent to Damnation as part of the Oathpact. Essentially, Odium is bound as much by oaths as Honor, and the Oathpact was that the Heralds would perform a HeroicSacrifice by using themselves to seal away the Voidspren who would start up a Desolation, keeping both of them there. However, if any of the Heralds bent their oaths enough to allow the Voidspread to return, then they would all return until the Desoaltion was repelled, at which point the Heralds go back. All of the Heralds eventually broke, except for Taln, who was such an extreme {{Determinator}} that he was able to withstand the torture for four and a half thousand years.
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** According to Mraize's letter to Shallan in ''Oathbringer'', it's likely that Nale and his Skybreakers may have hunted down and killed many of them in order to prevent another Desolation.
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** ''Oathbringer'' discusses this. Parshmen are fertile but breed slowly, and female Parshmen who provide good children are breeding stock. Understandably, when the Parshmen regain their self-awarenss, they are distinctly upset about this.
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** Short version: We don't know. We'll probably find out in a later book. One theory is that they are made of each Order's "lesser" spren, the non-sentient ones, like windspren for Windrunners and creationspren for Lightweavers. All we know for sure is that Shardplate is not made of dead spren, since it doesn't scream when a Radiant touches it. On a more practical note, Shardblades and Shardplate are both made of condensed Investiture; solid magic, basically. There are plenty of ways to condense Investiture without sacrificing a spren. For example, Feruchemical metalminds from Scadrial are not solid Investiture, but they are heavily Invested with power and would be much more difficult for a Shardblade to cut through than normal.
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* If Shardblades are made from Spren, what is Shardplate made of? And for that matter, what are the keyholes for the oathgates made of, if it's the same stuff as a Shardblade - did Spren have to sacrifice themselves to make those?
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* Can anyone explain why Nightsblood didn't immediately cause Szeth to kill others and himself? If it works anything like it did in Warbreaker, this seems like the obvious first thing that would happen.

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* Can anyone explain why Nightsblood Nightblood didn't immediately cause Szeth to kill others and himself? If it works anything like it did in Warbreaker, this seems like the obvious first thing that would happen.



** Nightsblood, who [[WhatIsEvil doesn't understand good and evil]], probably sees Szeth as repentant and honorable. After all, he feels horrible for everything he's done and followed his code of honor to the bitter end. The fact that he's completely insane by now is an unfortunate detail.
** Nightsblood's tempting doesn't have anything to do with his concept of evil, though. He openly wonders why he can't affect some people, Vasher tells him it's because they're sinless, and he has no idea what that means. On the other hand, it could be as simple as him choosing not to tempt Szeth. He never tempted Vasher, after all, or even Vivenna at the end.

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** Nightsblood, Nightblood, who [[WhatIsEvil doesn't understand good and evil]], probably sees Szeth as repentant and honorable. After all, he feels horrible for everything he's done and followed his code of honor to the bitter end. The fact that he's completely insane by now is an unfortunate detail.
** Nightsblood's Nightblood's tempting doesn't have anything to do with his concept of evil, though. He openly wonders why he can't affect some people, Vasher tells him it's because they're sinless, and he has no idea what that means. On the other hand, it could be as simple as him choosing not to tempt Szeth. He never tempted Vasher, after all, or even Vivenna at the end.



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* So, Szeth has Nightsblood now. I'm curious how useful it will be, though, on a world where Breath isn't something you can buy. Unless Nightsblood can eat Stormlight? In which case, we have to imagine [[OhCrap fighting Nightsblood in the middle of a Highstorm, which gives it basically unlimited mana...]]
** Now that I think about it, Vasher requires a breath every week like Returned, doesn't he? Does he get the same sustenance from stormlight? He must, I think, so it makes sense that Nightblood would work with stormlight as well.

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* So, Szeth has Nightsblood Nightblood now. I'm curious how useful it will be, though, on a world where Breath isn't something you can buy. Unless Nightsblood Nightblood can eat Stormlight? In which case, we have to imagine [[OhCrap fighting Nightsblood Nightblood in the middle of a Highstorm, highstorm, which gives it basically unlimited mana...]]
** Now that I think about it, Vasher requires a breath every week like Returned, doesn't he? Does he get the same sustenance from stormlight? Stormlight? He must, I think, so it makes sense that Nightblood would work with stormlight Stormlight as well.
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** [[http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1160#18 Word of God]] is that Stormlight doesn't grant Returned Breath powers. Though, presumably, he still has the power of his single divine Breath, since he could sense Kaladin through the wall.

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