History Headscratchers / TheStand

23rd Jul '16 10:06:26 PM LittleJon
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*** The lethality changed almost as soon as it was released. One guy died almost immediately, his face falling into the bowl of whatever he was eating, while two scientists had enough time to have sex and then commit suicide.
6th Jul '16 8:03:12 AM Movienut376
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* The military creates this highly lethal, highly ''contagious'' virus, and deliberately design it to be ''impossible'' to vaccinate against? What on Earth was the point? They'd made something they could never, ever actually use, because there was no way it could do anything except exactly what it did. There was no effective way to quarantine it, no effective treatment, and no vaccine. One might argue it was sheer hubris, but it seems so senseless. If you can't vaccinate against it, you're as screwed as your enemies.

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* The military creates this highly lethal, highly ''contagious'' virus, and deliberately design it to be ''impossible'' to vaccinate against? What on Earth was the point? They'd made something they could never, ever actually use, because there was no way it could do anything except exactly what it did. There was no effective way to quarantine it, no effective treatment, and no vaccine. One might argue it was sheer hubris, but it seems so senseless. If you can't vaccinate against it, you're as screwed as your enemies.enemies.
**The military probably created it for the same reason that militaries and governments in real life create all the bombs and weapons and machines and whatnot: to show that they're the Big Boys on the block. "You think you're bad? Go ahead and try something with me, and I will fuck you up big time." In-universe, the superflu was probably meant to be the ultimate threat deterrent. But, pride goeth before the fall...or, if you prefer, call this one HoistByHisOwnPetard on a lethal level.
22nd Jun '16 6:59:15 PM TheFuzzinator
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** The calculator plant wasn't ''in'' Arnette, it was just where a lot of people from Arnette worked. Arnette was considered a "wide place in the road", with fewer than 700 people living there. Again, it didn't wipe out 99.4% of the United States, it wiped out 99.4% of the entire world, not to mention those who died in other ways. Specifically in the case of Arnette, the entire town was quarantined and shipped to CDC locations. Whomever else survived from that town, if there were any, would have been killed by the soldiers guarding the place, just like Stu was supposed to be.

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** The calculator plant wasn't ''in'' Arnette, it was just where a lot of people from Arnette worked. Arnette was considered a "wide place in the road", with fewer than 700 people living there. Again, it didn't wipe out 99.4% of the United States, it wiped out 99.4% of the entire world, not to mention those who died in other ways. Specifically in the case of Arnette, the entire town was quarantined and shipped to CDC locations. Whomever else survived from that town, if there were any, would have been killed by the soldiers guarding the place, just like Stu was supposed to be.be.
* The military creates this highly lethal, highly ''contagious'' virus, and deliberately design it to be ''impossible'' to vaccinate against? What on Earth was the point? They'd made something they could never, ever actually use, because there was no way it could do anything except exactly what it did. There was no effective way to quarantine it, no effective treatment, and no vaccine. One might argue it was sheer hubris, but it seems so senseless. If you can't vaccinate against it, you're as screwed as your enemies.
28th Dec '15 12:53:42 PM Farnham
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*** The story doesn't give any great answers. My personal theory is that it's equal parts God did it and Lamark was right. Captain Trips is at least partially supernatural so the survivors were likely hand picked by God and Satan (or Randal Flagg) but once it was added by them or they acquired it they were able to pass it on. Chalk it up to the average person in 1970 knowing virtually nothing about DNA as is mentioned repeatedly here.

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*** The story doesn't give any great answers. My personal theory is that it's equal parts God did it and Lamark was right. Captain Trips is at least partially supernatural so the survivors were likely hand picked by God and Satan (or Randal [[Franchise/TheDarkTower Gan]] and Randall Flagg) but once it was added by them or they acquired it they were able to pass it on. Chalk it up to the average person in 1970 knowing virtually nothing about DNA as is mentioned repeatedly here.
2nd Dec '15 2:12:02 PM jmparker78
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* Even if only 0.6% of the population are immune, shouldn't there have been ''more'' survivors from Arnette? Granted it is a DyingTown but it doesn't seem a ''tiny'' town (it does support a calculator plant after all) and a line about "Arnette's best neighbourhood" and Norm Bruett's racist internal monologue about African American kids in "east Arnette" suggest a population in the high hundreds or low thousands rather than a few dozen people. It seems unlikely Stu Redman would be the sole survivor yet Arnette was under military lockdown from the beginning of the crisis and (presumably) any immune cases would have been recognized comparatively early.

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* Even if only 0.6% of the population are immune, shouldn't there have been ''more'' survivors from Arnette? Granted it is a DyingTown but it doesn't seem a ''tiny'' town (it does support a calculator plant after all) and a line about "Arnette's best neighbourhood" and Norm Bruett's racist internal monologue about African American kids in "east Arnette" suggest a population in the high hundreds or low thousands rather than a few dozen people. It seems unlikely Stu Redman would be the sole survivor yet Arnette was under military lockdown from the beginning of the crisis and (presumably) any immune cases would have been recognized comparatively early.early.
** The calculator plant wasn't ''in'' Arnette, it was just where a lot of people from Arnette worked. Arnette was considered a "wide place in the road", with fewer than 700 people living there. Again, it didn't wipe out 99.4% of the United States, it wiped out 99.4% of the entire world, not to mention those who died in other ways. Specifically in the case of Arnette, the entire town was quarantined and shipped to CDC locations. Whomever else survived from that town, if there were any, would have been killed by the soldiers guarding the place, just like Stu was supposed to be.
2nd Dec '15 2:01:40 PM jmparker78
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** The disease didn't wipe out 99.4% of the population of Manhattan Island, it wiped out 99.4% of the ''entire world''. That means only 420 million people exist ''anywhere on the planet'', and of that relatively small number (think the population of Tokyo alone times 1.7, spread out across the entire planet), an untold but presumably rather large number are killed in other ways. Perhaps no one but a tiny handful of Manhattan residents (Larry, Rita, the Monster Shouter, the man offering Larry money to sleep with Rita, the man sunbathing on a police car and maybe a dozen others) were actually immune, since immunity is unlikely to be evened out by population.
2nd Dec '15 1:50:34 PM jmparker78
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** With the way the US Government has begun pretending everything is fine while terrorists at home and abroad rip the world apart, it's not hard ''at all'' to imagine them doing something like this were a bioweapon to be unleashed. Modern-day politicians care far more about looking good to their voting base and little if any for actually accomplishing anything.
3rd Sep '15 10:43:55 PM Seanette
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* Even if only 0.6% of the population are immune shouldn't there have been ''more'' survivors from Arnette? Granted it is a DyingTown but it doesn't seem a ''tiny'' town (it does support a calculator plant after all and a line about "Arnette's best neighbourhood" and Norm Bruett's racist internal monologue about about African American kids in "east Arnette" suggest a population in the high hundreds or low thousands rather than a few dozen people.) It seems unlikely Stu Redmond would be the sole survivor yet Arnette was under military lockdown from the beginning of the crisis and (presumably) any immune cases would have been recognized comparatively early.

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* Even if only 0.6% of the population are immune immune, shouldn't there have been ''more'' survivors from Arnette? Granted it is a DyingTown but it doesn't seem a ''tiny'' town (it does support a calculator plant after all all) and a line about "Arnette's best neighbourhood" and Norm Bruett's racist internal monologue about about African American kids in "east Arnette" suggest a population in the high hundreds or low thousands rather than a few dozen people.) people. It seems unlikely Stu Redmond Redman would be the sole survivor yet Arnette was under military lockdown from the beginning of the crisis and (presumably) any immune cases would have been recognized comparatively early.
3rd Sep '15 9:30:22 AM RossN
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** They were scared, desperate and didn't know what else to do.

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** They were scared, desperate and didn't know what else to do.do.
* Even if only 0.6% of the population are immune shouldn't there have been ''more'' survivors from Arnette? Granted it is a DyingTown but it doesn't seem a ''tiny'' town (it does support a calculator plant after all and a line about "Arnette's best neighbourhood" and Norm Bruett's racist internal monologue about about African American kids in "east Arnette" suggest a population in the high hundreds or low thousands rather than a few dozen people.) It seems unlikely Stu Redmond would be the sole survivor yet Arnette was under military lockdown from the beginning of the crisis and (presumably) any immune cases would have been recognized comparatively early.
25th Aug '15 3:46:58 PM Farnham
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** This is noted in the miniseries when General Starkey says he doomed them when he sat down for his first fast-food burger. Also, the expanded version of the novel has a chapter devoted to characters interacting with other characters and spreading it en masse (the sheriff from Arnette pulls over an insurance salesman who stops at a diner and infects the woman at the next table and so on).

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** This is noted in the miniseries when General Starkey says he that any chance of containing the outbreak was doomed them when the moment he sat down for his first fast-food burger. Also, the expanded version of the novel has a chapter devoted to characters interacting with other characters and spreading it en masse (the sheriff from Arnette pulls over an insurance salesman who stops at a diner and infects the woman at the next table and so on).



*** And in the book, Larry and Rita do encounter one fellow survivor who is just lying on top of a car, soaking up some sunshine, during their trek to the Lincoln Tunnel. Presumably the other survivors are all scattered around Manhattan and are all trying to get out of the island by their own means.

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*** And in the book, Larry and Rita do encounter two survivors: one fellow who offers Larry a million dollars if he could have sex with Rita, while the other survivor who is just lying lies on top of a car, soaking up some sunshine, during their trek to the Lincoln Tunnel. Presumably the other survivors are all scattered around Manhattan and are all trying to get out of the island by their own means.
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