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14th May '18 3:46:08 PM ANTMuddle
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** Also, Vic had one of the best arrest records in the Barn. Without proof that Vic was a {{dirty cop}}, there would huge political fallout from sacking Vic.

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** Also, Vic had one of the best arrest records in the Barn. Without proof that Vic was a {{dirty cop}}, there would huge political fallout from sacking Vic.



*** To be fair, Acaveda DOES do the next best thing available to him to punish Vic. On the last day as Captain, Acaveda reveals to Vic that he wrote the mother of all "poison pill" reports and placed it into Vic's personal file at the LAPD. Long story short, he basically compiled ALL of Vic's insubordination and asshole behavior into a report and finished it with a proclamation that Vic should NEVER be given ANY position of authority within the LAPD again. This effectively amounts to Vic being blacklisted inside the LAPD: no other precinct will touch him (meaning he can't transfer to a new precinct), he can't get a job running any new Strike Team-esque special unit task force, and any attempt to get himself promoted up the ranks is out of the question. And just to further torment Vic, Acaveda threatens something similar to Ronnie in order to force Ronnie hastily wrap up the last major investigation Vic was working on (a hidden camera sting operation) so that when new Captain Monica Rawlings takes power, Vic will be reduced to being just another detective.

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*** To be fair, Acaveda DOES do the next best thing available to him to punish Vic. On the last day as Captain, Acaveda reveals to Vic that he wrote the mother of all "poison pill" reports and placed it into Vic's personal file at the LAPD. Long story short, he basically compiled ALL of Vic's insubordination and asshole behavior into a report and finished it with a proclamation that Vic should NEVER be given ANY position of authority within the LAPD again. This effectively amounts to Vic being blacklisted inside the LAPD: no other precinct will touch him (meaning he can't transfer to a new precinct), he can't get a job running any new Strike Team-esque special unit task force, and any attempt to get himself promoted up the ranks is out of the question. And just to further torment Vic, Acaveda threatens something similar to Ronnie in order to force Ronnie hastily wrap up the last major investigation Vic was working on (a hidden camera sting operation) so that when new Captain Monica Rawlings takes power, Vic will be reduced to being just another detective.nothing.
25th Apr '18 11:37:40 AM neckinhalf
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** That's kind of the point. Vic may have pulled the fastest of all fast ones in getting that deal approved, but he cut off his nose to spite his face. He'll be blacklisted (from law enforcement at least) after it's over, assuming Olivia doesn't get him to violate the whole deal.
22nd Apr '18 10:39:58 PM neckinhalf
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* Regarding the immunity deal itself: it's implied they're trying to keep it secret, being only known among The Barn and ICE. But how does news that it happened not get out and cause an epic shit storm for the LAPD and Acevada? Ronnie's still out there with no loyalty to Vic. This MAY lead to him working discreetly with Olivia, or it may lead to him telling everything to the media. Aside from that, anyone who knows the deal happened could leak details to the media (for whatever reason) to get the press digging, even if the details are second-hand "rumors". Unless Olivia manages to void Vic's immunity within a couple weeks at most, there's no way this doesn't get out.
31st Mar '18 12:22:18 AM nps6724
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* With all the guile and smarts Vic has over the series (even when things didn't go right), why was it necessary to even kill Terry Crowley in the first place? I know the the real answer to this is "because then there would be no show". Still, what threat did Terry pose to the team that was any worse than any major arc we saw the team go through afterwards?

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* With all the guile and smarts Vic has over the series (even when things didn't go right), why was it necessary to even kill Terry Crowley in the first place? I know the the real answer to this is "because then there would be no show". Still, what threat did Terry pose to the team that was any worse than any major arc we saw the team go through afterwards?afterwards?
** The biggest difference is Crowley was on the team as opposed to being their boss or a criminal out on the street. With his connection to Aceveda, they couldn't constantly keep him away from their dirty dealings without Aceveda stepping in and demanding a larger role. Especially since Crowley's job is to bust Vic. And it's not like the Strike Team never killed to protect themselves.
2nd Mar '18 11:47:26 AM neckinhalf
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* Regardless of his reason for doing so, wouldn't Kavanaugh's admission of planting evidence on Vic be a Pandora's box all of its own? He made his career busting dirty cops, and there would HAVE to be some kind of shitstorm in terms of appeals or news when he's busted. But the show just glosses over it.

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* Regardless of his reason for doing so, wouldn't Kavanaugh's admission of planting evidence on Vic be a Pandora's box all of its own? He made his career busting dirty cops, and there would HAVE to be some kind of shitstorm in terms of appeals or news when he's busted. But the show just glosses over it.it.
* With all the guile and smarts Vic has over the series (even when things didn't go right), why was it necessary to even kill Terry Crowley in the first place? I know the the real answer to this is "because then there would be no show". Still, what threat did Terry pose to the team that was any worse than any major arc we saw the team go through afterwards?
10th Sep '17 7:28:31 AM neckinhalf
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* And once that three-year probation is complete, what's Vic going to do? He's basically a pariah.

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* And once that three-year probation is complete, what's Vic going to do? He's basically a pariah.pariah.
* Regardless of his reason for doing so, wouldn't Kavanaugh's admission of planting evidence on Vic be a Pandora's box all of its own? He made his career busting dirty cops, and there would HAVE to be some kind of shitstorm in terms of appeals or news when he's busted. But the show just glosses over it.
7th Sep '17 12:54:29 PM neckinhalf
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** They have him dead to rights on aiding and abedding a fugitive. Everything AFTER that is a crapshoot due to the pandora's box it will open. And Ronnie, in the end, has no reason to stay quiet on the later, especially since it is why he did the former and he has NOTHING to lose.

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** They have him dead to rights on aiding and abedding abetting a fugitive. Everything AFTER that is a crapshoot due to the pandora's box it will open. And Ronnie, in the end, has no reason to stay quiet on the later, latter, especially since it is why he did the former and he has NOTHING to lose.lose.
*** On that note, Olivia would try to get to Ronnie and see if there's anything Vic didn't mention (as that would violate his deal).
2nd May '17 6:23:38 PM ANTMuddle
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** Also, Vic had one of the best arrest records in the Barn. Without proof that Vic was a dirty cop, there would huge political fallout from sacking Vic,

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** Also, Vic had one of the best arrest records in the Barn. Without proof that Vic was a dirty cop, {{dirty cop}}, there would huge political fallout from sacking Vic,Vic.



*** Then reality would come into play with news offering this up. I mean Ronnie have no loyalty to Vic anymore. So he could likely go on the news with his claims. Of course he might not be believed but thats another story.

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*** Then reality would come into play with news offering this up. I mean Ronnie have no loyalty to Vic anymore. So he could likely go on the news with his claims. Of course he might not be believed but thats another story.story.
* And once that three-year probation is complete, what's Vic going to do? He's basically a pariah.
2nd Apr '14 3:02:44 PM Beavizz81
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** Vic's testimony is pretty damned compelling, especially since he can corrobrate a lot of unsolved crimes. Further, it could easily lead to more physical evidence.

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** Vic's testimony is pretty damned compelling, especially since he can corrobrate a lot of unsolved crimes. Further, it could easily lead to more physical evidence.evidence.
*** Then reality would come into play with news offering this up. I mean Ronnie have no loyalty to Vic anymore. So he could likely go on the news with his claims. Of course he might not be believed but thats another story.
1st Jan '14 12:58:16 PM Illuminatus
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** They have him dead to rights on aiding and abedding a fugitive. Everything AFTER that is a crapshoot due to the pandora's box it will open. And Ronnie, in the end, has no reason to stay quiet on the later, especially since it is why he did the former and he has NOTHING to lose.

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** They have him dead to rights on aiding and abedding a fugitive. Everything AFTER that is a crapshoot due to the pandora's box it will open. And Ronnie, in the end, has no reason to stay quiet on the later, especially since it is why he did the former and he has NOTHING to lose.lose.
** Vic's testimony is pretty damned compelling, especially since he can corrobrate a lot of unsolved crimes. Further, it could easily lead to more physical evidence.
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