History Headscratchers / TheOrderOfTheStick

2nd Sep '17 3:07:02 PM HalcyonDayz
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** Inkyrius always seemed pretty male to me as well. I mean, yeah, he's got a ponytail, but Inkyrius uses the male body type. There's not a lot of variation in OoT's body design; there are two types of figure, male and female. V gets away with the ambiguity on account of wearing robes that obscure which figure he or she has, but Inkyrius appears to be wearing a tunic, with an ''open collar'', no less. He has no such excuse.

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** Inkyrius always seemed pretty male to me as well. I mean, yeah, he's got a ponytail, but Inkyrius uses the male body type. There's not a lot of variation in OoT's [=OoTS=]'s body design; there are two types of figure, male and female. V gets away with the ambiguity on account of wearing robes that obscure which figure he or she has, but Inkyrius appears to be wearing a tunic, with an ''open collar'', no less. He has no such excuse.
2nd Sep '17 2:45:00 PM HalcyonDayz
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** Bahamut doesn't exist in the OOTS world. The closest analog is Dragon from the Southern Pantheon.

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** Bahamut doesn't exist in the OOTS ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' world. The closest analog is Dragon from the Southern Pantheon.



** Except V very well might be homosexual. Hir children are adopted, as mentioned below, and s/he didn't seem to make much of a reaction when seeing Nale and Male-cop-Sabine making out. We have little idea how same-sex couples are fit inside of the Oots world, but it seems to me a heterosexual character would have been more alarmed at "Elan"s sudden closet-departure.

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** Except V very well might be homosexual. Hir children are adopted, as mentioned below, and s/he didn't seem to make much of a reaction when seeing Nale and Male-cop-Sabine making out. We have little idea how same-sex couples are fit inside of the Oots ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' world, but it seems to me a heterosexual character would have been more alarmed at "Elan"s sudden closet-departure.



** Also don't forget, "murder" in the OOTS-verse isn't exactly like murder in ours, particularly when you have someone like Crystal with plenty of wealthy allies and access to reasonably high level clerics. Most likely, Crystal got raised within hours.

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** Also don't forget, "murder" in the OOTS-verse ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick''-verse isn't exactly like murder in ours, particularly when you have someone like Crystal with plenty of wealthy allies and access to reasonably high level clerics. Most likely, Crystal got raised within hours.



* The colours for the first book and the prequels feel messed up. ''Dungeon Crawlin' Fools'' has Elan and a red theme; red has absolutely nothing to do with Elan beyond the fact that his evil twin brother wears red pants. ''On the Origin of [=PCs=]'' has Durkon and a yellow border; yellow has absolutely nothing to do with Durkon. ''Start of Darkness'' has Redcloak and a grey border; the only connection I can make is that it is in greyscale and arguably because it is the most serious OOTS book to date. Yellow would have made more sense for Volume 1 (Elan and Nale are blonds), grey for Volume 0 (Durkon's armour, his so-called "blandness", and being the first and thus far only entirely greyscale OOTS book), and red for Volume -1 for obvious reasons. Now, of course the most likely reason for this is that Mr. Burlew was just picking random colours for Volume 1 and possibly 0, but it still stands out when Volumes 2-4 fit perfectly and red ''would'' fit perfectly for Volume -1.

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* The colours for the first book and the prequels feel messed up. ''Dungeon Crawlin' Fools'' has Elan and a red theme; red has absolutely nothing to do with Elan beyond the fact that his evil twin brother wears red pants. ''On the Origin of [=PCs=]'' has Durkon and a yellow border; yellow has absolutely nothing to do with Durkon. ''Start of Darkness'' has Redcloak and a grey border; the only connection I can make is that it is in greyscale and arguably because it is the most serious OOTS ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' book to date. Yellow would have made more sense for Volume 1 (Elan and Nale are blonds), grey for Volume 0 (Durkon's armour, his so-called "blandness", and being the first and thus far only entirely greyscale OOTS ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' book), and red for Volume -1 for obvious reasons. Now, of course the most likely reason for this is that Mr. Burlew was just picking random colours for Volume 1 and possibly 0, but it still stands out when Volumes 2-4 fit perfectly and red ''would'' fit perfectly for Volume -1.



** An undead creature is a whole different beast from a member of a monstrous race (like goblins). The latter are natural creatures (or as natural as things get in a world like OOTS-verse), and as such have the full range of behaviors that implies, while an undead creature is literally charged full of negative energy and as such is inherently hostile to all life, whether it likes it or not. Might as well as why all ''fiends'' we've seen have been evil. In fact, Redcloak points this out explicitly to Tsukiko in Strip #830 to explain just why she's so deluded. [[spoiler: immediately prior to feeding her to her own wights]].

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** An undead creature is a whole different beast from a member of a monstrous race (like goblins). The latter are natural creatures (or as natural as things get in a world like OOTS-verse), ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick''-verse), and as such have the full range of behaviors that implies, while an undead creature is literally charged full of negative energy and as such is inherently hostile to all life, whether it likes it or not. Might as well as why all ''fiends'' we've seen have been evil. In fact, Redcloak points this out explicitly to Tsukiko in Strip #830 to explain just why she's so deluded. [[spoiler: immediately prior to feeding her to her own wights]].



** Itís a twist because, according to the story told to the OotS (and the audience) by Lord Shojo, the Snarl blew up the first world, so the fact that one exists through the gates implies that something wholly unknown took place, or that Shojo (and the Order and Audience) have received bad or incomplete info. Clearly more is going on with the gates and the Snarl and the first world than is known.

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** Itís a twist because, according to the story told to the OotS ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' (and the audience) by Lord Shojo, the Snarl blew up the first world, so the fact that one exists through the gates implies that something wholly unknown took place, or that Shojo (and the Order and Audience) have received bad or incomplete info. Clearly more is going on with the gates and the Snarl and the first world than is known.



** Ultimately because of the power of plot/fate. If Durkon had decided to stay away of his own free will one of the gates would have been in his homeland. Or he'd be possessed by an evil demon that would return his body home against his will. Or Roy would bring Durkon's corpse back to be buried with his family. Given what we've seen from the Oracle it seem plausible that Fate is at work in the OotS universe meaning there was no avoiding Odin's dream. The best you could hope for would be some metaphor to step in.

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** Ultimately because of the power of plot/fate. If Durkon had decided to stay away of his own free will one of the gates would have been in his homeland. Or he'd be possessed by an evil demon that would return his body home against his will. Or Roy would bring Durkon's corpse back to be buried with his family. Given what we've seen from the Oracle it seem plausible that Fate is at work in the OotS ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' universe meaning there was no avoiding Odin's dream. The best you could hope for would be some metaphor to step in.
23rd Aug '17 11:30:47 PM trixus
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** A billion living people not a billion Northerners, in her Pantheon she would be the one with the most followers since every dwarf that died when they pull the plug are hers which leaves the gnomes and a few human up north that worship Thor and such. So yes she is the new queen of the pantheon with that many souls, especially since the dwarf are the majority of the Pantheon and they can't all have died an honorable death through their history.
20th Aug '17 7:10:54 AM Tezcats
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** Simple. 1% of the total world population is gigantic. Just count the gods : 12 (and probably some demigods) in the south, at least 19 in the west, at least 18 gods and 7 demigods in the north. Add in the Dark one, who is not part of any pantheon (and probably not the only one in that situation) and you've got at least 57 gods that divide the souls of their worshippers. Now, when Roy died, we saw that afterlives don't "belong" to gods. Most people will go to the afterlife corresponding to their alignment and that's it, no gods involved in the process. We can suppose that only a few get to their diety's afterlife. We saw that dwarves went to Hel if they did not die with honor and if they die with honor, they just go to whatever afterlife suits their alignment. We saw that some goblinoids, probably those that died with honour or something, were sent to the Dark one and that's because he has a "claim" over goblinoids souls, same as the one Hel has on the dwarves (except obviously with another loophole). So, even if there are a billion sentient people on this planet, the gods don't take the majority of them. Only a small minority of people are sent to a god. The god needs to have a direct claim other them, like Hel has with dwarves, the Dark one with goblinoids and probably most gods with their clerics (and then, we know that dwarven clerics are still submitted to the "die with honour" clause). Gods don't take many souls, only a few. And ten million souls, by that standard, is enormous. Even more, they gain souls slowly. None of them have ever received ten million souls in one shipment, because that's what would happen. We can infer that it's the "all at once" factor that plays here. TL;DR : Souls are not "distributed among other gods", souls are sent to their rightful afterlife, gods only take a few souls.
20th Aug '17 1:13:06 AM Tezcats
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** Just because it's evil does not mean you should kill it on the spot. Her job was to bring them to Azure city to stand trial, it does not matter if he's evil, a direct order is a direct order.
18th Aug '17 3:46:26 AM Tharkun140
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[[folder: Hel will achieve nothing]]
* Hel's plan assumes the destruction of the world, so she can claim the souls of "ten milion dwarves or more" and that is supposed to make her a queen of Northen Pantheon. However, according to Roy, there are about a bilion people currently living in the world, whose souls would be distributed among other gods, which means Hel would get maybe over 1% of the total population. And if the world exists for any real ammount of time, then the afterlife should already contain bilions of souls. So how is ten milion any significant ammount?
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20th Jul '17 8:32:41 PM darksoul4242
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** No, the place is locked for them by a yellow aura http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1005.html. And the procedure is clear that they have to remain here until the end of the vote even they don't want to.

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** No, the place is locked for them by a yellow aura http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1005.html. And the procedure is clear that they have to remain here until the end of the vote even if they don't want to.
8th Jul '17 12:58:28 PM nombretomado
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* Is Eugene Greenhilte really LawfulGood? As far as we know, he has lied to his son, usurped the place of a Celestial (and tied, and gagged him) during a summoning, participated to a mockery of a trial, all of what seems a Chaotic course of action (and he edited his own article on TheOtherWiki). As for the "Good" part: he berates or insults his son on a regular basis (granted: GoodIsNotNice, but even so...), doesn't show benevolence towards anyone, and is mostly self-centered . Everyone of his acts only tends to his own interest: he isn't concerned about Xykons's destruction because X is a threat to the world, but only because the Blood Oath prevents him to enter Celestia. Everything in his attitude and actions spells TrueNeutral to me.

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* Is Eugene Greenhilte really LawfulGood? As far as we know, he has lied to his son, usurped the place of a Celestial (and tied, and gagged him) during a summoning, participated to a mockery of a trial, all of what seems a Chaotic course of action (and he edited his own article on TheOtherWiki).Wiki/TheOtherWiki). As for the "Good" part: he berates or insults his son on a regular basis (granted: GoodIsNotNice, but even so...), doesn't show benevolence towards anyone, and is mostly self-centered . Everyone of his acts only tends to his own interest: he isn't concerned about Xykons's destruction because X is a threat to the world, but only because the Blood Oath prevents him to enter Celestia. Everything in his attitude and actions spells TrueNeutral to me.
8th Jul '17 9:43:26 AM trixus
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** If the good Gods wanted to make every creature nice and basket weaving and veganism the main XP source there would have been a Snarl from the neutral and evil Gods, who realizes how dumb that is for a Dungeon and Dragon world, when it's their time to create a race.
19th Jun '17 1:32:23 PM tafelshrew
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[[folder: Divine Alignments]]
* So... the gods with Good alignments created entire species of sapient beings to act as cannon-fodder, and decided to justify this by cursing them all to be AlwaysChaoticEvil (or Nearly-Always, considering Right-Eye, and possibly whatever the Monster in the Darkness is). By what definition are they good? Or is Good different from good, given that in D&D Good, Neutral, and Evil behave like different kinds of radiation?
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