History Headscratchers / TheLegendofZeldaOracleGames

** Maybe at some point Ambi married for political reasons, or she ''did'' get over her old lover.
** Another possibility is that she was pregnant, or that she had already given birth and kept the child hidden.
** Keeping an heir hidden wouldn't work, since then, there'd be no issue of Ralph disappearing if he tried to kill Ambi.
** The Cap'n is only reduced to bones as seen in ''Oracle of Seasons'', which takes place 400 years after the events of the past in ''Oracle of Ages''. He might've made it back to Labrynna, sired an heir for Ambi, and then left for the voyage that ended up with him and his crew being shipwrecked.

** Even someone in their early twenties could be called "kid," especially if they have a youthful appearance (and Hylians tend to).

*** The reason Impa doesn't recognize Link in a Linked ''Ages'' game is because she's being possessed by Veran, who hasn't met Link before. Once she's freed from the possession, she recognizes him from the events of ''Seasons'' right away. If anything, the troupe members being knights is the Linked Game intro that makes less sense; if they know someone's after Din by that point and that whoever it is probably knows she's the Oracle already, why do they bother with the disguises, and why are they sitting leisurely around a fire, drinking and playing music, instead of getting her out of Holodrum as quickly as possible?

*** The reason Impa doesn't recognize Link in a Linked ''Ages'' game is because she's being possessed by Veran, who hasn't met Link before. Once she's freed from the possession, she recognizes him from the events of ''Seasons'' right away.

** Ralph stays in the past until the sixth dungeon is completed (Nayru brings him to the Present along with herself and Link after Veran possesses Ambi). After that point, he can presumably travel between the ages freely, as Nayru is with him.

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* Anyone else think Oracle of Seasons' overworld map resembles the map from the original Zelda?
** That and all the bosses are the same! I understand [=OoS=] was originally going to be a remake of the original game, but those plans didn't get very far.
** Yeah, that's the case. [=OoS=] was supposed to be the first game and an unmade third game (left alone because of problems with the password system) was supposed to be the second game.

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** I didn't think about it before, but now I wish they did that :(
** Actually it was suppose to be Naryu's game with color, it was called Oracle of Light and would deal with the 6 pieces of the rainbow of color in crystals....you also traveled between a Light World and a Dark World...

** Ralph travels to the past at the beginning of the game through the first portal opened by Veran, the same one Link travels through before he's received the Harp of Ages. While Link eventually returns to the future and receives the Harp of Ages to travel through time, Ralph never does and simply remains in the past. If you pay attention, you never see Ralph in the future until the ending when presumably Nayru returned him to his own time.

** of special note, it's found sitting in a pedestal in Holodrum, in a place called the Lost Woods. Geographically speaking, if it was the same place as in Alttp, then Link would have been in Holodrum all along.

** This troper sees it in one of two ways. Either A: The Master Sword in Oracles Isn't canon. or B: The Holodrum/Labyrina Master Sword is not the same Sword of Evil's Bane. After all the design slightly differs on the crossguard despite the Master Sword's design being concrete at that point.

*** Although...No, that doesn't make sense either, because of the eruption that was already mentioned. The eruption happens in the area near the portal that connects to the temple remains, yet it also manages to reach into Holodrum, where those same temple remains become flooded with lava. So that means that the temple is explicitly located above the volcanoes in northwestern Subrosia, which still begs the question of how it ended up in northeastern Subrosia when it fell down underground.

** You’ve made a couple of mistakes in this assessment, which I will now list off: 1.) Why would Veran choose to possess Link instead of Ambi when Ambi is the only one who can let work continue on the tower? 2.) Veran clearly thinks that Link does not stand a chance against Ambi’s guards since she calls them in to capture and/or kill him, so possessing him and letting Ambi go free is even more of a bad idea. 3.) I don’t even know why you’re asking about her possessing Nayru again when possessing Ambi is already a much smarter move since it takes away the need to manipulate her to do what Veran wants. It’s not as though she put off possessing Nayru to do something less effective. 5.) By the time she’s forced out out of Ambi, she doesn’t need to possess anyone since the tower is already done. She tries to possess Link once just for kicks, but decides killing him is better since she’s so frustrated with him at this point.

** It's probably a lot harder for two elderly Garudo women who are known to work for Ganon to infiltrate Hyrule Castle than it would be for a human-looking stranger who offers hope in a dark time.

** Mystery Seeds don't prevent that on their own. The posessed body sleeps and Veran's shadow form is briefly manifested, but she counts as being "inside" them for the sake of being hit. You can't damage her without first using the Switch Hook, which likely can't be easily duplicated or replaced.

** This in turn led to sorrow and depression from The workers themselves and The families and loved ones of the workers (One woman quotes how her Husband had been taken to work on the tower saying she may never see him again.) Which wasn't so much as Veran's plan as her role in the plot for Twinrova's Flame of Sorrow, which was fueled by the peoples sadness from these horrible changes and events.

** The Triforce seems to be actively manipulating events, such as sending Link to the Oracles itself. It might simply not have accepted wishes. Also, since it is never used to imediately solve all problems instantly when it's assembled, it is likely that there is an unknown rule to what wishes it can grant and when.

** Considering the games were originally going to be a Remake of Zelda 1. This is probably a callback to that considering Impa only appeared in the games Manual and not the game itself. Otherwise She does hold relevance as she's the earliest hint to Zelda's presence in the games (Linked ones anyway). Plus in Linked games She specifically say's that she was trying to smuggle the Oracles into Hyrule. This can be more seen in Seasons Linked where the Troupe are revealed to be Hyrulian Knights in on the ruse.

** Actually the scene with the boat happens in both games via Linked save file. There is neither a right or wrong way for the story to be told. While Ages>Seasons makes more sense I.E The Ambi subplot getting payoff. The Master Sword (assuming you upgraded your sword to level 2 Via secret) is in it's usual place of the lost woods (Albeit this troper doesnt think it's the same Master Sword). The Seasons>Ages route is probably considered "Canon" due to that's the route the Manga took. (Though I personally feel the build up of shit hitting the fan is better with the latter, Compare Onox not showing up again till the end of the game To The black tower arc (and by default Veran) being made worse with each passing dungeon.)

Both Veran and Onox feature the crest of the Gerudo tribe on their clothing - Veran on her sleeves and Onox on his armor. They're definitely agents of Twinrova, given their stated goals. But how are they actually related to the Gerudo? ''Are'' they? Or did the witch sisters give them the mark after allying with them? Veran at least could be a Gerudo with her green skin and red hair, but her final boss fight throws that out the wind. [[spoiler:She's some kind of dark Great Fairy with shapeshifting magic.]] Onox, on the other hand, doesn't show very much skin to begin with but has a complexion similar to light skinned Hylians. [[spoiler:He's actually a dragon.]] So then, is it just their connection to Twinrova? Are they of the Gerudo tribe but not of the Gerudo race themselves? Are they formerly ethnically Gerudo but [[spoiler:took monstrous forms in the pursuit of power or destruction]]?

** Possibly, he sank the temple just as a precaution. If he didn't know about the Rod of Seasons, he might still have worried that the season spirits could do something to keep the seasons in order even with Din in captivity, so he sent them underground so they wouldn't be able to interfere. Din may just be a conduit for the spirits' blessings just like the rod is, so if she's taken out of the commission, they could seek out someone else to fill the roll of the oracle unless Onox keeps them from doing so.

* When you go to meet the season spirits in Oracle of Seasons, one of them mentions the “Hryulean” legend of a hero with a triangle on his hand, and another says this hero will appear “when shadows fall on Hyrule”...The game takes place in Holodrum, though. Any connections to or things going on in Hyrule are not mentioned. Is this a leftover from when the game was going to be a Zelda I remake? If not, why would the spirits reference Hyrulean events and lore when they’re in a different country?

** The Hero of Time is implied to have lost during the final battle of OOT in the Decline Timeline, so Kotake and Koume would be already dead. Then again, it's not like resurrection is impossible in the ''Zelda'' series, and it seems to be within Ganondorf's ability to do this sort of thing when he has the Triforce of Power (Volvagia in OOT is an old dead dragon he revived). There's also the possibility that, since the series in general and the ''Oracle'' games specially are very fond of the LegacyCharacter trope, this is simply a different incarnation of the witches, who Ganon took under his wing later.

* So if there was a third game; do you think maybe Farore would have been a painter, and the villain would kidnap her, the Oracle of Secrets, and then transform the world into [[RealIsBrown Morrowind or a modern-day FPS game]] while Link had to gather the essences of colour (ROYGBIV plus something like pink maybe) to restore the world back to its natural and colourful state?

** Holodrum and Labrynna are neighboring countries of Hyrule. The prologues and endings of linked games take place in Hyrule itself.

** As it turns out, the skeleton in question doesn’t end up passing on anyway, it seems. I went back to the desert oasis and found his skull was still sitting there; he says he’s been barred from the afterlife for so long at this point that he doesn’t know how or if he’s able to get there now.

* Possibly, he sank the temple just as a precaution. If he didn't know about the Rod of Seasons, he might still have worried that the season spirits could do something to keep the seasons in order even with Din in captivity, so he sent them underground so they wouldn't be able to interfere. Din may just be a conduit for the spirits' blessings just like the rod is, so if she's taken out of the commission, they could seek out someone else to fill the roll of the oracle unless Onox keeps them from doing so.

** Considering the games were originally going to be a Remake of Zelda 1. This is probably a callback to that considering Impa only appeared in the games Manual and not the game itself. Otherwise She does hold relevance as she's the earliest hint to Zelda's presence in the games (Linked ones anyway). Plus in Linked games She specifically say's that She was trying to smuggle the Oracles into Hyrule.
This can be more seen in Seasons Linked where the Troupe are revealed to be Hyrulian Knights in on the ruse.