History Headscratchers / TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime

27th Sep '17 11:49:37 PM H.N.Levian
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** Let's reframe this: Barinade is Ganondorf's chosen method of killing Jabu-Jabu. He wants this to happen ''slowly'', because he's trying to obtain the Zora Sapphire by holding Jabu's life and heath ransom. It's not a stretch to assume that any superfluous abnormalities in Jabu's body are caused by Barinade.
23rd Sep '17 9:24:52 PM MetaFour
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23rd Sep '17 8:17:42 PM sugaricequeen
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** The bottom line is, she's upset because Link is leaving the forest for good, to go on his journey, so that he won't have half as much time to spend with her anymore. It's for the same reason the Hero of Winds doesn't say "Don't worry, Grandma, I'll be back to ''visit'' after the second dungeon!" Neither of them know if and when Link will be back to Kokiri Forest, just that it won't be to stay - especially if you keep the ending of the game in mind.
2nd Sep '17 3:18:15 PM HalcyonDayz
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** I'm pretty sure he was talking about Temple of Time as Child Link vs. Temple of Time as Adult Link, not OoT Temple of Time vs. TP Temple of Time.

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** I'm pretty sure he was talking about Temple of Time as Child Link vs. Temple of Time as Adult Link, not OoT ''[=OoT=]'' Temple of Time vs. TP Temple of Time.



** I like it. It would make sense for him to alter the places where the artifacts that could be used to kill him are stored, so that any pesky heroes would be more likely to meet a grisly fate. Going by that logic, could the whole "item you need to beat the boss/temple is stored inside" be a sort of counter-attack? After all, in WW, the ghosts of the previous incumbent sages do help you out. By that logic, could the ghosts of the sages of the OOT temples be placing all those keys/items/refils around the temples?

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** I like it. It would make sense for him to alter the places where the artifacts that could be used to kill him are stored, so that any pesky heroes would be more likely to meet a grisly fate. Going by that logic, could the whole "item you need to beat the boss/temple is stored inside" be a sort of counter-attack? After all, in WW, the ghosts of the previous incumbent sages do help you out. By that logic, could the ghosts of the sages of the OOT ''[=OoT=]'' temples be placing all those keys/items/refils around the temples?



* Minor point, but in OOT, how were the carpenters able to tell Link how many of their buddies were still locked up, ''as he was releasing them?'' Are even schlub carpenters telepathic in Hyrule?

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* Minor point, but in OOT, ''[=OoT=]'', how were the carpenters able to tell Link how many of their buddies were still locked up, ''as he was releasing them?'' Are even schlub carpenters telepathic in Hyrule?



** Even if their laws state so, they might not accept Ganondorf as their king. And at the beginning of OOT, Ganondorf has secretly caused problems, so he can afterwards appear in the name of the king and offer his help. This way, he can demand the stones as payment while still not being regarded as a criminal. This was his plan until Link came along and foiled his plans. Unfortunately, Link opened the gate himself and all efforts went down the drain.

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** Even if their laws state so, they might not accept Ganondorf as their king. And at the beginning of OOT, ''[=OoT=]'', Ganondorf has secretly caused problems, so he can afterwards appear in the name of the king and offer his help. This way, he can demand the stones as payment while still not being regarded as a criminal. This was his plan until Link came along and foiled his plans. Unfortunately, Link opened the gate himself and all efforts went down the drain.



* Okay, so a [[InfinityPlusOneSword sword]] that a giant Goron can make in four days (if I remember correctly) is more powerful than the Master Sword against everything except against Ganondorf. Why is this sword not blessed into a new Master Sword by the sages after OOT? If it was, the old Master Sword would be useless next to it, and all enemies could be mowed down way faster by any new heros that show up. In fact, since they only take four days to make, why doesn't Big Goron make an armory's worth, and have the sages bless them each so that Hyrule has a ton of them? I think Hyrule could have been safe for a while longer.

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* Okay, so a [[InfinityPlusOneSword sword]] that a giant Goron can make in four days (if I remember correctly) is more powerful than the Master Sword against everything except against Ganondorf. Why is this sword not blessed into a new Master Sword by the sages after OOT? ''[=OoT=]''? If it was, the old Master Sword would be useless next to it, and all enemies could be mowed down way faster by any new heros heroes that show up. In fact, since they only take four days to make, why doesn't Big Goron make an armory's worth, and have the sages bless them each so that Hyrule has a ton of them? I think Hyrule could have been safe for a while longer.



* Something I'm more curious than bothered of are the keatons. In [=OoT=], Keaton (singular) is a famous mascot kids admire in the same way [[strike:many]] some of us admire Bugs Bunny, and thus they have a mask kids adore. Termina seems somewhat the same in the respect that the masks also exist to give to children (Kafei, for instance, got his as a child from the Curiosity Shop Owner, who is surprised Kafei could keep it in such good shape for so long), but then we also have Keaton (plural now) appear as a species who exist all over the place, just hidden. MM is the only time we see Keaton in person, and every other time we see keatons in the zeldaverse were in different times and vastly different appearances from the yellow pika-ninetales-thing from [=OoT=] and MM. So was [=OoT's=] Keaton part of the keaton race in MM who travelled from Termina, or just a mascot coined up? Or was it one of those cases it tries to pretend to be an imaginary friend to adults and only appear to children due to their inherent good natures (and possibly because kids are more likely to wear the mask and thus are treated as if they're trying to trick the foxes into thinking they're one of their own like they think Link does if he wears it while meeting them)?

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* Something I'm more curious than bothered of are the keatons. In [=OoT=], Keaton (singular) is a famous mascot kids admire in the same way [[strike:many]] some of us admire Bugs Bunny, and thus they have a mask kids adore. Termina seems somewhat the same in the respect that the masks also exist to give to children (Kafei, for instance, got his as a child from the Curiosity Shop Owner, who is surprised Kafei could keep it in such good shape for so long), but then we also have Keaton (plural now) appear as a species who exist all over the place, just hidden. MM is the only time we see Keaton in person, and every other time we see keatons in the zeldaverse were in different times and vastly different appearances from the yellow pika-ninetales-thing from [=OoT=] and MM. So was [=OoT's=] [=OoT=]'s Keaton part of the keaton race in MM who travelled from Termina, or just a mascot coined up? Or was it one of those cases it tries to pretend to be an imaginary friend to adults and only appear to children due to their inherent good natures (and possibly because kids are more likely to wear the mask and thus are treated as if they're trying to trick the foxes into thinking they're one of their own like they think Link does if he wears it while meeting them)?



** Um, what Water Temple? The OoT Water Temple is canon. The MM Water Temple is in a completely different world.

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** Um, what Water Temple? The OoT ''[=OoT=]'' Water Temple is canon. The MM Water Temple is in a completely different world.



* OK, I've been looking and no one has answered this. Why does the Master Sword glow blue for a second just before you finish off Ganon? I know some people say that it's [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaSkywardSword Fi]], but that was from a game that came over 10 years AFTER OOT.

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* OK, I've been looking and no one has answered this. Why does the Master Sword glow blue for a second just before you finish off Ganon? I know some people say that it's [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaSkywardSword Fi]], but that was from a game that came over 10 years AFTER OOT.''[=OoT=]''.
21st Aug '17 8:12:30 PM sugaricequeen
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\n[[/folder]]\n** In ''Breath of the Wild'', the sword glows bright blue to signify attaining its true power, which only comes forth when in the presence of Ganon's Malice. Maybe the scenario in ''Ocarina of Time'' was suggesting that Ganon was devolving into the base form of hatred he took in that game, hence why it made the sword glow, and Link just defeated him before he could manage it?
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21st Aug '17 2:41:02 PM sugaricequeen
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** His motive rant in itself is open to some interpretation, and the point of it was that he's gone too far for it to really matter at that point.
9th Aug '17 3:48:02 PM DeliciousFriend
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***That's not accurate, you can use a Deku Stick torch to activate the Bomb Flowers for the Lost Woods shortcut by rolling into them with a lit torch. As for the Zora's Domain shortcut, multiple glitches let Link go to Zora's Domain early, usually by clipping into the shortcut in the Lost Woods.
19th Jul '17 2:10:05 AM ex_ottoyuhr
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** Or, alternatively: he's in his late 20s in ''Ocarina of Time'', and there was a long, destructive civil war 10 years before the game. He grew up in the Hyrulean Civil War, and was raised by witches to boot; semi-sanctioned semi-official violence is what he's used to. (He also doesn't seem to particularly enjoy other people's authority; even if he wasn't a warlord raised by witches, it's hard to imagine him humbly petitioning the king to allow his people to settle in the north.)
22nd Jun '17 1:56:49 PM ChaoticNovelist
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** [[RefugeInAudacity One of the cuccos was electric blue and pocket sized. Your argument is invalid.]]

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** [[RefugeInAudacity One of the cuccos was electric blue and pocket sized. Your argument is invalid.]]
invalid.



** Doesn't answer your bug, but I love the phrase King them around. I don't know why. I just do.



** I agree. Would you find it comfortable if a temple's music was "The Nicene Creed" or "The Holy Prayer" repeated over and over again in soft, subtle chant-like voices? In a temple with lava? I can see why some may find this offensive, as it has UnfortunateImplications.
** UnfortunateImplications pretty much sums it up. The temple is basically a prison, after all.

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** I agree. Would you find it comfortable if a temple's music was "The Nicene Creed" or "The Holy Prayer" repeated over and over again in soft, subtle chant-like voices? In a temple with lava? I can see why some may find this offensive, as it has UnfortunateImplications.
** UnfortunateImplications pretty much sums it up.
offensive.The temple is basically a prison, after all.



* So... in ''Ocarina of Time'', it was [[MythologyGag a secret to everybody]] that Link was really a Hylian and not a Kokiri. How much of a secret was it really? Presumably Mido didn't know, but Saria seemed to suspect it. And if it hadn't been for Ganondorf, Link would have found out anyway in a few years once he started to go through puberty. So, why didn't the Deku Tree tell him the truth before dying? And were there Kokiri around from the time he was brought there who would know?
** This sort of bugged me too. I mean, the Kokiri have been around since forever, surely you'd think they'd remember a baby being brought to the village some years ago and growing with them. And surely Link himself would remember growing all these years among kids who always seemed to be older than him but never seemed to age.

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* So... in ''Ocarina of Time'', it was [[MythologyGag a secret to everybody]] that Link was really a Hylian and not a Kokiri. How much of a secret was it really? Presumably Mido didn't know, but Saria seemed to suspect it. And if it hadn't been for Ganondorf, Link would have found out anyway in a few years once he started to go through puberty. So, why didn't the Deku Tree tell him the truth before dying? And were there Kokiri around from the time he was brought there who would know?
** This sort of bugged me too. I mean, the
know? he Kokiri have been around since forever, surely you'd think they'd remember a baby being brought to the village some years ago and growing with them. And surely Link himself would remember growing all these years among kids who always seemed to be older than him but never seemed to age.



** To disguise the Hero of Time as a Kokiri and protect him until it was time to fulfill his role as [[TheChosenOne]].

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** To disguise the Hero of Time as a Kokiri and protect him until it was time to fulfill his role as [[TheChosenOne]].TheChosenOne.



** Not really helpful, but: WAT. I only [[FridgeHorror just now realized]] he isn't in the future...who said he never came home one day?



* Okay, so a [[InfinityPlusOneSword sword]] that a giant Goron can make in four days (if I remember correctly) is more powerful than the Master Sword against everything except against Ganondorf. Why is this sword not blessed into a new Master Sword by the sages after OOT? If it was, the old Master Sword would be almost useless next to it, and all enemies could be mowed down way faster by any new heros that show up. In fact, since they only take four days to make, why doesn't Big Goron make an armory's worth, and have the sages bless them each so that Hyrule has a ton of them? I think Hyrule could have been safe for a while longer.

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* Okay, so a [[InfinityPlusOneSword sword]] that a giant Goron can make in four days (if I remember correctly) is more powerful than the Master Sword against everything except against Ganondorf. Why is this sword not blessed into a new Master Sword by the sages after OOT? If it was, the old Master Sword would be almost useless next to it, and all enemies could be mowed down way faster by any new heros that show up. In fact, since they only take four days to make, why doesn't Big Goron make an armory's worth, and have the sages bless them each so that Hyrule has a ton of them? I think Hyrule could have been safe for a while longer.



** The Biggoron Sword has a serious drawback, though -- it's heavy enough to require a dual grip, which leaves its wielder incapable of using a shield at the same time. Considering how many enemies in-universe can exploit Link's open guard, it makes sense that the Master Sword would a blade that could be wielded one-handed.

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** The Biggoron Sword has a serious drawback, though -- it's heavy enough to require a dual grip, which leaves its wielder incapable of using a shield at the same time. Considering how many enemies in-universe can exploit Link's open guard, it makes sense that the Master Sword would be a blade that could be wielded one-handed.



** Not to mention, it says right in the name that Ganondorf's piece is the one that gives you power. If each piece of the Triforce gave its wielder godly...power, giving them separate names wouldn't make any sense. In any case, Ganondorf is shown to have a sizable amount of power before claiming the Triforce, [[CurbStompBattle Curb Stomping]] you in your first encounter and generally messing Hyrule up. The Triforce of Power merely enhanced that to insanely [[MeaningfulName powerful]] degrees. As for Link and Zelda, while it takes courage to fight off a giant one-eyed spider, by the end Link is facing off against, well, the bearer of the Triforce of Power. That takes a special kind of courage, one could say. Zelda, meanwhile, may make a couple TooDumbToLive decisions over the course of the story, but she seems to know the most about the Triforce and cosmic law, and ultimately awakens as the Seventh Sage, proceeding to seal Ganon away until the events of ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTheWindWaker Wind Waker]]'', so she's not lacking in the Wisdom department under that light. Point being, leave the power to the bearer of Power.

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** Not to mention, it says right in the name that Ganondorf's piece is the one that gives you power. If each piece of the Triforce gave its wielder godly...power, giving them separate names wouldn't make any sense. In any case, Ganondorf is shown to have a sizable amount of power before claiming the Triforce, [[CurbStompBattle Curb Stomping]] you Link in your their first encounter and generally messing Hyrule up. The Triforce of Power merely enhanced that to insanely [[MeaningfulName powerful]] degrees. As for Link and Zelda, while it takes courage to fight off a giant one-eyed spider, by the end Link is facing off against, well, the bearer of the Triforce of Power. That takes a special kind of courage, one could say. Zelda, meanwhile, may make a couple TooDumbToLive decisions over the course of the story, but she seems to know the most about the Triforce and cosmic law, and ultimately awakens as the Seventh Sage, proceeding to seal Ganon away until the events of ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTheWindWaker Wind Waker]]'', so she's not lacking in the Wisdom department under that light. Point being, leave the power to the bearer of Power.



* Despite having all of these powers of the Sages and being an ActionGirl when disguised as Sheik, she acts as a damsel in distress when you're escaping the castle and fighting Ganon. Wouldn't this be a case of the DistressBall?

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* Despite having all of these powers of the Sages and being an ActionGirl when disguised as Sheik, she acts as a damsel in distress when you're escaping the castle and fighting Ganon. Wouldn't this be a case of the DistressBall?
22nd Jun '17 9:44:08 AM ChaoticNovelist
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** The entire world is dessert? Niiiiiiiiiice.
*** Oops. Typo. My bad.... And now, I have to imagine some Gerudo women, drowning in Mouse au chocolate... well, THAT'S nice! XD
*** Gerudo+ dessert+ Zelda+ horny viewer: Official Zelda Women's Jello Wrestling game. Fanart please!



** That bitch...suddenly, I strongly approve of the fact that Bongo Bongo probably killed her.
** Wait wha?, look, there's a difference between being slapped by someone who just wants to call Impa out on that (not opening the boss door?) and being slapped by friggin ''Bongo-Bongo''.

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** That bitch...suddenly, I strongly approve of the fact that Bongo Bongo probably killed her.
** Wait wha?, look, there's a difference between being slapped by someone who just wants to call Impa out on that (not opening the boss door?) and being slapped by friggin ''Bongo-Bongo''.

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