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27th Sep '17 10:57:50 AM qirn
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** Apart from needing the Moon Pearl to advance after Agahnim (and the game telling you that), the game gives you multiple hints that you should grab the Moon Pearl, where to find it, and why you should grab it. Sahasrahla tells you to get it, the creatures you first meet in the Dark World on the way to Tower of Hera tell you to grab it (and that it is in Tower of Hera and will allow you to keep your shape), and the fortune teller will tell you to grab it and that it's in Tower of Hera. Also, you do need the Bow to finish off Eastern Palace, contrary to what is posted above. You cannot defeat the Red Eye Guards in the rooms before Armos without it, and defeating those monsters is what opens the door. The game actually does an excellent job in regard to guiding you through the fact that you need to open every chest. If you don't open the big chest in Eastern Palace where the Bow is, you will find you cannot proceed in the dungeon, and it's not that long of a slog to get back the big chest. As for the Ice Rod, Sahasrahla tells you to grab it after he gives you the Pegasus Shoes. If you skip returning to Sahasrahla after beating Eastern Palace (as the game tells you to do), you will find that you cannot get into your next dungeon, Desert Palace, without the Pegasus Shoes because they are required to get the Book of Mudora in the library, so you're pretty much forced to read the text about Ice Rod before getting to Trinexx. Finally, no you cannot go to Agahnim with just the Power Glove - you need the Master Sword in order to break the barrier to the Hyrule Castle Tower (which requires all pendants, and pendants requires Pegasus Shoes, Bow, and having seen the Ice Rod hint). I suppose you could call it metagaming when you go and accomplish tasks the game tells you to because you assume that when the game tells you to grab an item those items are required. But in this genre of game, you could also just call that gaming.
23rd Sep '17 7:56:25 PM sugaricequeen
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*** Remember, the Triforce is weirdly sentient in this game. (Either that or the voice you hear from it is the Golden Goddesses speaking to Link, and they opened the door once Ganon was defeated.) And the fact that it was sealed up in a separate room sort of implies that he didn't have it on him.
23rd Sep '17 7:50:01 PM sugaricequeen
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** I know the reason why, developmentally, since an overall continuity hadn't been established yet. I'm looking for an in-universe explanation. Why does it behave differently in ''A Link to the Past'' (and ''Breath of the Wild'', where it's supposed to be ''weaker'' than normal) than it does in all the other games?
9th Sep '17 1:39:28 PM DecisiveShark
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*** The instruction manual actually discusses this. Hylians in this game are considered an extinct if not all-but-extinct race, specifically because of interspecies romance. Now, they are muddled up and referred to as Hyruleans, with no physical differences from Hylians but carrying the blood of Gorons, Zora, and (possibly) Gerudo (its implied Ganon may have killed them all in this timeline) as well as the Hylia. The Hylia themselves in this game are referred to as if they were the Sheikah of later games, as well as being an ancient civilization.
9th Sep '17 1:29:16 PM DecisiveShark
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** the OP's point wasn't that Link *didn't* know what the Moon Pearl did (multiple people tell him by then), but rather that he didn't know he'd be returning to the Dark World soon. He had no idea yet how badly his fight with Agahnim would turn out, or that he wouldn't succeed in rescuing Zelda from the castle tower. That said, he '''most certainly''' knew (as did everyone else in the kingdom) that the Triforce was in the Sacred Realm/Dark World. With both a means to retain his form *and* a means to return to Hyrule (two things which caused most of the people searching for the Triforce to fail), Link knew he would essentially have the keys to the Power of Gold.
31st Mar '17 1:52:56 PM Luigifan
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** He's trying to keep you inside his dungeon longer so his horde of monsters has a better chance of killing Link. Outside of gameplay, if Link thinks he's got the fourth maiden he won't be looking for the real one. This troper's father speant almost two hours running around the dungeon trying to find an alternate exit before he realized he could blow a hole in the floor and then got curious and walked through the light patch.

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** He's trying to keep you inside his dungeon longer so his horde of monsters has a better chance of killing Link. Outside of gameplay, if Link thinks he's got the fourth maiden he won't be looking for the real one. This troper's father speant spent almost two hours running around the dungeon trying to find an alternate exit before he realized he could blow a hole in the floor and then got curious and walked through the light patch.



** I don't think it's ever specified if Agahnim cursed Hyrule and then later undid his own magic to look like a hero or if he legitimately saved them, but it's pretty unlikely that a random stranger just happened to pass through and dispell all the bad magic ''no one else'' could handle and then decided on a whim to turn against Hyrule.

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** I don't think it's ever specified if Agahnim cursed Hyrule and then later undid his own magic to look like a hero or if he legitimately saved them, but it's pretty unlikely that a random stranger just happened to pass through and dispell dispel all the bad magic ''no one else'' could handle and then decided on a whim to turn against Hyrule.



* Did it ever occur to Ganon to ask the Triforce, that was in his possession the whole time, to escape the Dark Realm? Or am I missing the point? And Please don't answer, then there wouldn't have been a game. I know that already.

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* Did it ever occur to Ganon to ask the Triforce, that was in his possession the whole time, to escape the Dark Realm? Or am I missing the point? And Please don't answer, then "then there wouldn't have been a game.game". I know that already.




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*** And then the Triforce just ''happens'' to come out of hiding when Ganon is killed? I call bull. He clearly had it on him.



** Pretty much what the above troper said about system limitations. In ye olden days of video games and animation, it was hard to correctly render a lot of colours related to human phenotypes (real life skin, eye and hair colours being hard to represent other than with simplistic equivalents, such as blonde=yellow). In the case of some colours, they had to get creative, which is why [[YouGottaHaveBlueHair blue hair]] became a trope: originally a dark shade of blue was used to represent "black" (true black being impossible or awkward to use, hence why Link's uncle's hair looks somewhat blue/purple in the game while it's black in the artwork), and it just became it's own anime quirk over time. Likewise, Pink seems to have started as a shorthand for strawberry blonde (Louise from TheFamiliarOfZero is an obvious example, being reddish-blonde in the light novels and Anime!Pink in the... well... anime) or other reddish hues (as evidenced by Link's strawberry/brownish blond hair in the artwork). Pink=Strawberry is just another of those shorthands developed by Japanese media that became codified as a trope of its own during the 90s.

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** Pretty much what the above troper said about system limitations. In ye olden days of video games and animation, it was hard to correctly render a lot of colours related to human phenotypes (real life skin, eye and hair colours being hard to represent other than with simplistic equivalents, such as blonde=yellow). In the case of some colours, they had to get creative, which is why [[YouGottaHaveBlueHair blue hair]] became a trope: originally a dark shade of blue was used to represent "black" (true black being impossible or awkward to use, hence why Link's uncle's hair looks somewhat blue/purple in the game while it's black in the artwork), and it just became it's its own anime quirk over time. Likewise, Pink seems to have started as a shorthand for strawberry blonde (Louise from TheFamiliarOfZero is an obvious example, being reddish-blonde in the light novels and Anime!Pink in the... well... anime) or other reddish hues (as evidenced by Link's strawberry/brownish blond hair in the artwork). Pink=Strawberry is just another of those shorthands developed by Japanese media that became codified as a trope of its own during the 90s.



** The sword's attack is swing in A Link To The Past and the beam is a spiral. Majora's Mask also has sword beams for the fierce deity and it is a three dimensional polygon game. The reason for the inconsistency is that Zelda games never had explicit continuity beyond those that directly continued from each other(''The Legend Of Zelda''--''Zelda 2 The Adventure Of Link'', Ocarina of Time -- Majora's Mask) The Wind Waker was released and it was stated they were ''all'' a part of a carefully thought out chronological narrative.

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** The sword's attack is swing in A Link To The Past and the beam is a spiral. Majora's Mask also has sword beams for the fierce deity and it is a three dimensional polygon game. The reason for the inconsistency is that Zelda games never had explicit continuity beyond those that directly continued from each other(''The other (''The Legend Of Zelda''--''Zelda Zelda'' -- ''Zelda 2 The Adventure Of Link'', Ocarina of Time -- Majora's Mask) The Mask). It was only when ''The Wind Waker Waker'' was released and that it was stated they were ''all'' a part of a carefully thought out chronological narrative.



** Actually, when you consider the fact that Link is descendant to the blood-line of the Hylian Knights, logic follows that these maidens must also have [[InterspeciesRomance blood-lines of their respective races, making them Hylian part-Goron, Kokiri, Zora and Gerudo respectively.]]
** Indeed, appearance-wise, there is little difference between Hylians, Gerudo, and Kokiri, aside from one group being perpetual children - which does make the idea of descendants kind of gross and weird - and the other has distinguishing red hair and dark skin, and Ruto's interest in Link in ''Ocarina of Time'' implies that crossbreeding isn't out of the question for Zoras. All this would leave is the ambiguous nature in which Gorons reproduce to be able to explain the bloodline of the sages in ''A Link to the Past''.

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** Actually, when you consider the fact that Link is descendant to the blood-line of the Hylian Knights, logic follows that these maidens must also have [[InterspeciesRomance blood-lines of their respective races, making them Hylian part-Goron, Kokiri, Zora Zora, and Gerudo respectively.]]
** Indeed, appearance-wise, there is little difference between Hylians, Gerudo, and Kokiri, aside from one group being perpetual children - -- which does make the idea of descendants kind of gross and weird - -- and the other has distinguishing red hair and dark skin, and Ruto's interest in Link in ''Ocarina of Time'' implies that crossbreeding isn't out of the question for Zoras. All this would leave is the ambiguous nature in which Gorons reproduce to be able to explain the bloodline of the sages in ''A Link to the Past''.



** Which raises further questions. The zora are egg laying fish people and the gorons subsist on stone. How exactly are they and hylians compatible? It is also inconsistent, given the very idea of inter species romance has been consistently mocked in the series.
*** AWizardDidIt. But real answer, Hylians are a magical race seperate from humans in-game so maybe there's more compatibility than meets the eye. As for zoras, they would have to pass on their genes to a hylian through males and a few generations would certainly allow that setup to happen eventually.

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** Which raises further questions. The zora Zoras are egg laying fish people egg-laying fish-people and the gorons Gorons subsist on stone. How exactly are they and hylians Hylians compatible? It is also inconsistent, given the very idea of inter species romance InterspeciesRomance has been consistently mocked in the series.
*** AWizardDidIt. But real answer, Hylians are a magical race seperate from humans in-game so maybe there's more compatibility than meets the eye. As for zoras, Zoras, they would have to pass on their genes to a hylian Hylian through males and a few generations would certainly allow that setup to happen eventually.



** We don't need to, as ''Hyrule Historia'' already took care of it: ''A Link to the Past'' occurs on a timeline where Ganondorf was victorious against the Hero of Time. He has the full combined Triforce because he was successfully able recover the Triforce of Courage and Triforce of Wisdom from Link and Zelda, respectively.

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** We don't need to, as ''Hyrule Historia'' already took care of it: ''A Link to the Past'' occurs on a timeline where Ganondorf was victorious against the Hero of Time. He has the full combined Triforce because he was successfully able to recover the Triforce of Courage and Triforce of Wisdom from Link and Zelda, respectively.



** Doesn't matter. Even if it's a retcon, that still makes it canon. Also, keep in mind the ''A Link to the Past'' came ''first'', and that the entire "The Triforce splits if you're not in balance" spiel was ''itself'' a retcon. ''Hyrule Historia'' was merely plugging the plothole [=OoT=] introduced.

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** Doesn't matter. Even if it's a retcon, that still makes it canon. Also, keep in mind the that ''A Link to the Past'' came ''first'', and that the entire "The Triforce splits if you're not in balance" spiel was ''itself'' a retcon. ''Hyrule Historia'' was merely plugging the plothole [=OoT=] introduced.



** The Triforce judges whether one's heart is ''imbalanced'', not impure - that has nothing to do with being good or evil. Ganondorf received only the Triforce of Power in ''Ocarina of Time'' because that was the virtue his heart most reflected, while the other two went to Zelda, the wisest, and Link, the bravest. If it splits due to an imbalanced heart, the only way to reunite it and gain your wish is to seek out the other two pieces and reclaim them.

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** The Triforce judges whether one's heart is ''imbalanced'', not impure - -- that has nothing to do with being good or evil. Ganondorf received only the Triforce of Power in ''Ocarina of Time'' because that was the virtue his heart most reflected, while the other two went to Zelda, the wisest, and Link, the bravest. If it splits due to an imbalanced heart, the only way to reunite it and gain your wish is to seek out the other two pieces and reclaim them.



** Didn't LttP come after OoT, gameworld-timeline wise? If so, then the back story of LttP is describing what the people remember of OoT. Ganon got sealed into the Golden Realm just before he acquired the Triforce. Wouldn't the seal keep the Triforce from splitting in the first place? Unless there were people in the realm to send Courage and Wisdom to, Ganon would have had all three. By the time Link beats him, he has a balanced heart and can use the Triforce without worry.

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** Didn't LttP [=LttP=] come after OoT, [=OoT=], gameworld-timeline wise? If so, then the back story of LttP [=LttP=] is describing what the people remember of OoT.[=OoT=]. Ganon got sealed into the Golden Realm just before he acquired the Triforce. Wouldn't the seal keep the Triforce from splitting in the first place? Unless there were people in the realm to send Courage and Wisdom to, Ganon would have had all three. By the time Link beats him, he has a balanced heart and can use the Triforce without worry.



** Clearly, they would all be different sizes in real life - what we see of them is just a simplified depiction. What's being asked is why one of them is shown to be shorter than the others in that depiction.

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** Clearly, they would all be different sizes in real life - -- what we see of them is just a simplified depiction. What's being asked is why one of them is shown to be shorter than the others in that depiction.
29th Mar '17 8:33:17 PM DocLithius
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[[folder:What Holds the Big Bag?]]
* So, this one is more about ''The Ancient Stone Tablets''... Basically, at the beginning of every week's adventure in the UsefulNotes/{{Satellaview}}-exclusive "[[MissionPackSequel second quest]]," the player is given an item called the "Big Bag." It's basically a bag ''three times the size of the player'', has a label on it which reads "XL," and [[BagOfHolding holds the player's entire inventory]]. My question… Where in the world does the "mysterious youth" actually ''store'' the Big Bag if the Big Bag holds everything they collect? (The same could be asked of Link in ''A Link to the Past'' (among other games), but he never officially gets a Big Bag. It's implied, in his case.)
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24th Feb '17 2:59:46 AM LittleSerge
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** Pretty much what the above troper said about system limitations. In ye olden days of video games and animation, it was hard to correctly render a lot of colours related to human phenotypes (real life skin, eye and hair colours being hard to represent other than with simplistic equivalents, such as blonde=yellow). In the case of some colours, they had to get creative, which is why [[YouGottaHaveBlueHair blue hair]] became a trope: originally a dark shade of blue was used to represent "black" (true black being impossible or awkward to use, hence why Link's uncle looks somewhat blue/purple in the game while it's black in the artwork), and it just became it's own anime quirk over time. Likewise, Pink seems to have started as a shorthand for strawberry blonde (Louise from TheFamiliarOfZero is an obvious example, being reddish-blonde in the light novels and Anime!Pink in the... well... anime) or other reddish hues (as evidenced by Link's strawberry/brownish blond hair in the artwork). Pink=Strawberry is just another of those shorthands developed by Japanese media that became codified as a trope of its own during the 90s.

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** Pretty much what the above troper said about system limitations. In ye olden days of video games and animation, it was hard to correctly render a lot of colours related to human phenotypes (real life skin, eye and hair colours being hard to represent other than with simplistic equivalents, such as blonde=yellow). In the case of some colours, they had to get creative, which is why [[YouGottaHaveBlueHair blue hair]] became a trope: originally a dark shade of blue was used to represent "black" (true black being impossible or awkward to use, hence why Link's uncle uncle's hair looks somewhat blue/purple in the game while it's black in the artwork), and it just became it's own anime quirk over time. Likewise, Pink seems to have started as a shorthand for strawberry blonde (Louise from TheFamiliarOfZero is an obvious example, being reddish-blonde in the light novels and Anime!Pink in the... well... anime) or other reddish hues (as evidenced by Link's strawberry/brownish blond hair in the artwork). Pink=Strawberry is just another of those shorthands developed by Japanese media that became codified as a trope of its own during the 90s.
24th Feb '17 2:58:02 AM LittleSerge
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** Pretty much what the above troper said about system limitations. In ye olden days of video games and animation, it was hard to correctly render a lot of colours related to human phenotypes (real life skin, eye and hair colours being hard to represent other than with simplistic equivalents, such as blonde=yellow). In the case of some colours, they had to get creative, which is why [[GottaHaveBlueHair blue hair]] became a trope: originally a dark shade of blue was used to represent "black" (true black being impossible or awkward to use, hence why Link's uncle looks somewhat blue/purple in the game while it's black in the artwork), and it just became it's own anime quirk over time. Likewise, Pink seems to have started as a shorthand for strawberry blonde (Louise from FamiliarOfZero is an obvious example, being reddish-blonde in the light novels and Anime!Pink in the... well... anime) or other reddish hues (as evidenced by Link's strawberry/brownish blond hair in the artwork). Pink=Strawberry is just another of those shorthands developed by Japanese media that became codified as a trope of its own during the 90s.

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** Pretty much what the above troper said about system limitations. In ye olden days of video games and animation, it was hard to correctly render a lot of colours related to human phenotypes (real life skin, eye and hair colours being hard to represent other than with simplistic equivalents, such as blonde=yellow). In the case of some colours, they had to get creative, which is why [[GottaHaveBlueHair [[YouGottaHaveBlueHair blue hair]] became a trope: originally a dark shade of blue was used to represent "black" (true black being impossible or awkward to use, hence why Link's uncle looks somewhat blue/purple in the game while it's black in the artwork), and it just became it's own anime quirk over time. Likewise, Pink seems to have started as a shorthand for strawberry blonde (Louise from FamiliarOfZero TheFamiliarOfZero is an obvious example, being reddish-blonde in the light novels and Anime!Pink in the... well... anime) or other reddish hues (as evidenced by Link's strawberry/brownish blond hair in the artwork). Pink=Strawberry is just another of those shorthands developed by Japanese media that became codified as a trope of its own during the 90s.
24th Feb '17 2:57:15 AM LittleSerge
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** Pretty much what the above troper said about system limitations. In ye olden days of video games and animation, it was hard to correctly render a lot of colours related to human phenotypes (real life skin, eye and hair colours being hard to represent other than with simplistic equivalents, such as blonde=yellow). In the case of some colours, they had to get creative, which is why [[GottaHaveBlueHair blue hair]] became a trope: originally a dark shade of blue was used to represent "black" (true black being impossible or awkward to use, hence why Link's uncle looks somewhat blue/purple in the game while it's black in the artwork), and it just became it's own anime quirk over time. Likewise, Pink seems to have started as a shorthand for strawberry blonde (Louise from FamiliarOfZero is an obvious example, being reddish-blonde in the light novels and Anime!Pink in the... well... anime) or other reddish hues (as evidenced by Link's strawberry/brownish blond hair in the artwork). Pink=Strawberry is just another of those shorthands developed by Japanese media that became codified as a trope of its own during the 90s.
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