History Headscratchers / TheHungerGames

15th Jul '17 7:48:52 AM SeptimusHeap
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* Katniss's bow shoots explosive and incendiary arrows. Explosive and incendiary arrows that she keeps in a quiver. [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment A quiver on her body. A quiver stocked with explosive arrows. That explode.]] I know that some modern soldiers do this with [=RPGs=], but isn't it kind of a bad idea to store such a potentially dangerous munition on someone who's both a national hero and in close proximity to ''other'' national heroes? Aside from the potential dangers of basically telling Capitol troops to shoot her InTheBack ForMassiveDamage, if she ''does'' get shot in the back, has a bomb or grenade go off nearby, steps on a landmine... goodbye Katniss, hello squad-killing fireball of death.

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* Katniss's bow shoots explosive and incendiary arrows. Explosive and incendiary arrows that she keeps in a quiver. [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment A quiver on her body. A quiver stocked with explosive arrows. That explode.]] I know that some modern soldiers do this with [=RPGs=], but isn't it kind of a bad idea to store such a potentially dangerous munition on someone who's both a national hero and in close proximity to ''other'' national heroes? Aside from the potential dangers of basically telling Capitol troops to shoot her InTheBack ForMassiveDamage, InTheBack, if she ''does'' get shot in the back, has a bomb or grenade go off nearby, steps on a landmine... goodbye Katniss, hello squad-killing fireball of death.
8th Jul '17 12:44:04 PM nombretomado
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** Unfortunately I haven't yet read the books myself, but according to TheOtherWiki the only hard and fast rules are "don't step off the platform before the gong sounds to start the Games". And apparently there's an unspoken "no cannibalism" rule as well. Any other rules (including ThereCanOnlyBeOne) can be changed or made up on the spot if the Game controller thinks it would make for good tv.

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** Unfortunately I haven't yet read the books myself, but according to TheOtherWiki Wiki/TheOtherWiki the only hard and fast rules are "don't step off the platform before the gong sounds to start the Games". And apparently there's an unspoken "no cannibalism" rule as well. Any other rules (including ThereCanOnlyBeOne) can be changed or made up on the spot if the Game controller thinks it would make for good tv.
24th Jun '17 11:54:17 AM nombretomado
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* [[spoiler: Prim's death]]. Yes, it was meant to drive the point home that WarIsHell, that AnyoneCanDie, but...wasn't the whole driving force behind the premise of the series that [[spoiler: Katniss was getting herself into this mess ''because of her sister Prim!'']] So in other words, [[spoiler: killing Prim]] pretty much defeats the purpose of [[spoiler: Katniss entering the Games in the first place.]] For comparison, it would be the same as [[spoiler: what happened to Nunally in ''CodeGeass'' (except she actually ''wasn't'' dead, it turns out) - since Katniss and Prim have the same [[BigBrotherInstinct dynamic]] as Lelouch and Nunally, what bothers me is that Katniss didn't become a DeathSeeker or was DrivenToSuicide (though she did go into an AngstComa and went temporarily insane shortly afterward)]]. In a sense, that whole part of ''Mockingjay'' made for something of an EsotericHappyEnding for me.

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* [[spoiler: Prim's death]]. Yes, it was meant to drive the point home that WarIsHell, that AnyoneCanDie, but...wasn't the whole driving force behind the premise of the series that [[spoiler: Katniss was getting herself into this mess ''because of her sister Prim!'']] So in other words, [[spoiler: killing Prim]] pretty much defeats the purpose of [[spoiler: Katniss entering the Games in the first place.]] For comparison, it would be the same as [[spoiler: what happened to Nunally in ''CodeGeass'' ''Anime/CodeGeass'' (except she actually ''wasn't'' dead, it turns out) - since Katniss and Prim have the same [[BigBrotherInstinct dynamic]] as Lelouch and Nunally, what bothers me is that Katniss didn't become a DeathSeeker or was DrivenToSuicide (though she did go into an AngstComa and went temporarily insane shortly afterward)]]. In a sense, that whole part of ''Mockingjay'' made for something of an EsotericHappyEnding for me.
4th Jun '17 2:22:15 PM nombretomado
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** It has elements in common with Battle Royale? This is TvTropes.

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** It has elements in common with Battle Royale? This is TvTropes.Wiki/TVTropes.
13th May '17 9:11:07 PM jenmic
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*** The problem with the Hunger Games is that it utterly misrepresents food politics and police states by two measures: first and foremost, the purpose of food power for a plebian class is to cripple the economy. By starving the Districts, the Capitol is not only creating unnecessary economic problems (ergo, they could actually be ''more'' powerful) but they're stewing totally unnecessary resentment. This is why countries prefer to use food power as a "carrot-and-stick" to other countries, and not within themselves, ex. the Cuban embargo. Second, police states typically promise something in exchange for their totalitarianism... the lower class never wanders blindly into it, they're always given something in return, such as how communist states have incredible literacy rates/amounts of doctors or how older autocracies could promise protection from outside threats. Also, Napoleon invaded Russia in June. Operation Barbarossa began in the same month.

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*** The problem with the Hunger Games is that it utterly misrepresents food politics and police states by two measures: first and foremost, the purpose of food power for a plebian plebeian class is to cripple the economy. By starving the Districts, the Capitol is not only creating unnecessary economic problems (ergo, they could actually be ''more'' powerful) but they're stewing totally unnecessary resentment. This is why countries prefer to use food power as a "carrot-and-stick" to other countries, and not within themselves, ex. the Cuban embargo. Second, police states typically promise something in exchange for their totalitarianism... the lower class never wanders blindly into it, they're always given something in return, such as how communist states have incredible literacy rates/amounts of doctors or how older autocracies could promise protection from outside threats. Also, Napoleon invaded Russia in June. Operation Barbarossa began in the same month.



** Think of what happend when they put adult competitors into the arean: a rebellion was instantly formed. Making adults go into the arena, say anyone over 21 would immidiately be a risk of people who are too strong, smart and experiances would get together and find a way to break out. Most teenagers (except careers) arn't trained in weapon use or real survival skills, adults might be, risking rebellion. And it may be more intersting to watch people with similar skill levals (none) fight it out, than strong miners, clever weapon technicians etc. Also, by putting a time limit, people will think "if i just survive six years i'm safe" and be more complicit. Also, also, as we see with Katniss, people will go to insane lengths to protect their own. if adults were in the hunger games, they would have nothing to lose, so a rebellion might be formed quicker, while as people would be afraid to rebel because of what failure could mean for their children. And wiping out two heads of families from each district could be disasterous. The Capitol might not want that.

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** Think of what happend happened when they put adult competitors into the arean: arena: a rebellion was instantly formed. Making adults go into the arena, say anyone over 21 would immidiately be a risk of people who are too strong, smart and experiances experiences would get together and find a way to break out. Most teenagers (except careers) arn't trained in weapon use or real survival skills, adults might be, risking rebellion. And it may be more intersting interesting to watch people with similar skill levals levels (none) fight it out, than strong miners, clever weapon technicians etc. Also, by putting a time limit, people will think "if i just survive six years i'm safe" and be more complicit. Also, also, as we see with Katniss, people will go to insane lengths to protect their own. if adults were in the hunger games, they would have nothing to lose, so a rebellion might be formed quicker, while as people would be afraid to rebel because of what failure could mean for their children. And wiping out two heads of families from each district could be disasterous.disastrous. The Capitol might not want that.
13th Apr '17 5:29:05 AM erforce
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* This troper always saw it as more in common with TheRunningMan than Battle Royale. Which is not obscure by any measure. But yeah, the similarity is really just in base concept, it does legitimately do different stuff with it.

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* This troper always saw it as more in common with TheRunningMan Film/TheRunningMan than Battle Royale. Which is not obscure by any measure. But yeah, the similarity is really just in base concept, it does legitimately do different stuff with it.
7th Apr '17 1:49:46 PM LiamXDin
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***Not true. Panem uses currency (Katniss sells the game she has to spare and gets money as part of her prize for winning the Games) and it's fairly clear that what nearly kills the Everdeens isn't just lack of food: it's lack of money to buy it. Mr Everdeen is the sole breadwinner when he dies, Mrs Everdeen zones out for a while and there is no money coming in. At her lowest ebb (when Peeta throws the burned bread) she is starving because she can't buy any food but other people still can. The Capitol limits what food is available (the flour for the bakery is presumably from 11, and they're going to make sure that the Capitol have all the cake they need before they allow shipments to be diverted elsewhere) but they're not doling out an equal amount of food to all citizens. Much like now: there are people who can drop $1000s on a wedding ccake and people who have to choose between paying their bills and buying food.
7th Apr '17 1:42:04 PM LiamXDin
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* Why do the Career Tributes volunteer? I mean, there's only a low chance that any given Career Tribute will win, so volunteering is practically suicide.

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* Why do the Career Tributes volunteer? I mean, there's only a low chance that any given Career Tribute will win, so volunteering is practically suicide.suicide.
**I don't know where the idea it's a 'low chance' came from. Each Career has pretty good odds at surviving any non-Career and then they just have to outlast the five others. From their point of view, they're told probably from birth that they're the best, to train, to win and that victory will bring them glory and make life better for their District. When put into that mentality, with nothing to prove otherwise, they're probably not expecting a long life unless they 'earn' it by winning the Games. Whilst most people get to adulthood by simply not being Reaped, they are taught to take the chance of a better life. They are, after all, children. There are kids even now who make silly decisions to live up to parental and societal expectations, it's not hard to imagine that placed in a random death lottery with starvation being the norm you'd take the 'I might die but I might fix things' chance.
7th Apr '17 1:36:45 PM LiamXDin
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** Outdoor survival requires skills that most people, in their ordinary lives, aren't acquiring. The same is true of the weapons: no one is supposed to be training with a bow or a sword. And, as an aside, they're utterly impractical weapons for rebellion and warfare (Katniss's tech bow doesn't count because although it's proven to be a dangerous weapon, it's pretty much a given that most of the victories are due to conventional warfare techniques). The Capitol doesn't want the chance that people will prepare for real fighting against THEM, which is why the Tributes are never given guns. If people trained for urban warfare rather than outdoor terrain it's a manual for attacking Capitol. The games are a fantasy, far removed from the reality so that people don't ever think 'hey, we could use these skills to improve our lives'.




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** It's impossible to tell because there's no definitive landscape or plan of the Capitol, but it might not be easy to besiege. If it's large, you need to man a constant barrier to keep supplies getting in and people getting out. That takes man-power. There are also hundreds of subterranean tunnels: those would have to be watched. Supplies aren't just a concern for the besieged people, the attackers need to be constantly getting food, water and ammo as well. A long siege in the wrong circumstances can end in the attacking force giving up from hunger and going home historically. Coin isn't stupid: a shock attack on the unarmed, untrained population of the Capitol works better than keeping the morale and impetus up when all you're doing is waiting for the other side to die.
7th Apr '17 12:08:06 PM LiamXDin
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* In short, there is no way to have everyone's odds be equal. It's set up in that way: poorer families are more likely to be reaped because richer families are more content with the system as it is (why rebel against something that isn't bad for you?). Families with more members, and thus more angst, are more likely to be reaped (and it is stated that the siblings of Victors are still fair game: there are two siblings in 75th) aand, more importantly, the odd LOOK to be in the favour of the younger children because if you exclude tessarae a 12 year old has less chances to be picked than an 18 year old. This makes it appear that the Capitol is trying to give the kids a chance, really just amping up the drama when a young child is reaped. And, let's face it, your odds mean NOTHING. Prim's name is in there once with 20 Katniss names, even without the rest of the female reapable population. She is reaped. Peeta, who probably didn't take tessarae because there's food to waste in his house, had 5 names (probably?) against Gale's 42 and the rest of the male reapable population. All statistics and odds are semantics: you can have odds of 1000000000:1 but there's still that one chance it'll happen.
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