History Headscratchers / TheHungerGames

24th Sep '17 11:54:15 AM Carliro
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*** Peter Hitchens is also a loony and has some ''very'' personal reasons to say that (*coughhisbrothercough*), so I don't see why his opinion on the matter is an objective statement on atheism.
16th Aug '17 1:42:43 PM rufusluciusivan
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** In regards to Caesar, this troper was always under the impression that she conceded that he was ALighterShadeOfBlack. She was thinking something among the lines of "At least he's trying to give each tribute a fair chance.", not "Ohmigosh what a nice fellow!"
15th Jul '17 7:48:52 AM SeptimusHeap
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* Katniss's bow shoots explosive and incendiary arrows. Explosive and incendiary arrows that she keeps in a quiver. [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment A quiver on her body. A quiver stocked with explosive arrows. That explode.]] I know that some modern soldiers do this with [=RPGs=], but isn't it kind of a bad idea to store such a potentially dangerous munition on someone who's both a national hero and in close proximity to ''other'' national heroes? Aside from the potential dangers of basically telling Capitol troops to shoot her InTheBack ForMassiveDamage, if she ''does'' get shot in the back, has a bomb or grenade go off nearby, steps on a landmine... goodbye Katniss, hello squad-killing fireball of death.

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* Katniss's bow shoots explosive and incendiary arrows. Explosive and incendiary arrows that she keeps in a quiver. [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment A quiver on her body. A quiver stocked with explosive arrows. That explode.]] I know that some modern soldiers do this with [=RPGs=], but isn't it kind of a bad idea to store such a potentially dangerous munition on someone who's both a national hero and in close proximity to ''other'' national heroes? Aside from the potential dangers of basically telling Capitol troops to shoot her InTheBack ForMassiveDamage, InTheBack, if she ''does'' get shot in the back, has a bomb or grenade go off nearby, steps on a landmine... goodbye Katniss, hello squad-killing fireball of death.
8th Jul '17 12:44:04 PM nombretomado
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** Unfortunately I haven't yet read the books myself, but according to TheOtherWiki the only hard and fast rules are "don't step off the platform before the gong sounds to start the Games". And apparently there's an unspoken "no cannibalism" rule as well. Any other rules (including ThereCanOnlyBeOne) can be changed or made up on the spot if the Game controller thinks it would make for good tv.

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** Unfortunately I haven't yet read the books myself, but according to TheOtherWiki Wiki/TheOtherWiki the only hard and fast rules are "don't step off the platform before the gong sounds to start the Games". And apparently there's an unspoken "no cannibalism" rule as well. Any other rules (including ThereCanOnlyBeOne) can be changed or made up on the spot if the Game controller thinks it would make for good tv.
24th Jun '17 11:54:17 AM nombretomado
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* [[spoiler: Prim's death]]. Yes, it was meant to drive the point home that WarIsHell, that AnyoneCanDie, but...wasn't the whole driving force behind the premise of the series that [[spoiler: Katniss was getting herself into this mess ''because of her sister Prim!'']] So in other words, [[spoiler: killing Prim]] pretty much defeats the purpose of [[spoiler: Katniss entering the Games in the first place.]] For comparison, it would be the same as [[spoiler: what happened to Nunally in ''CodeGeass'' (except she actually ''wasn't'' dead, it turns out) - since Katniss and Prim have the same [[BigBrotherInstinct dynamic]] as Lelouch and Nunally, what bothers me is that Katniss didn't become a DeathSeeker or was DrivenToSuicide (though she did go into an AngstComa and went temporarily insane shortly afterward)]]. In a sense, that whole part of ''Mockingjay'' made for something of an EsotericHappyEnding for me.

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* [[spoiler: Prim's death]]. Yes, it was meant to drive the point home that WarIsHell, that AnyoneCanDie, but...wasn't the whole driving force behind the premise of the series that [[spoiler: Katniss was getting herself into this mess ''because of her sister Prim!'']] So in other words, [[spoiler: killing Prim]] pretty much defeats the purpose of [[spoiler: Katniss entering the Games in the first place.]] For comparison, it would be the same as [[spoiler: what happened to Nunally in ''CodeGeass'' ''Anime/CodeGeass'' (except she actually ''wasn't'' dead, it turns out) - since Katniss and Prim have the same [[BigBrotherInstinct dynamic]] as Lelouch and Nunally, what bothers me is that Katniss didn't become a DeathSeeker or was DrivenToSuicide (though she did go into an AngstComa and went temporarily insane shortly afterward)]]. In a sense, that whole part of ''Mockingjay'' made for something of an EsotericHappyEnding for me.
4th Jun '17 2:22:15 PM nombretomado
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** It has elements in common with Battle Royale? This is TvTropes.

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** It has elements in common with Battle Royale? This is TvTropes.Wiki/TVTropes.
13th May '17 9:11:07 PM jenmic
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*** The problem with the Hunger Games is that it utterly misrepresents food politics and police states by two measures: first and foremost, the purpose of food power for a plebian class is to cripple the economy. By starving the Districts, the Capitol is not only creating unnecessary economic problems (ergo, they could actually be ''more'' powerful) but they're stewing totally unnecessary resentment. This is why countries prefer to use food power as a "carrot-and-stick" to other countries, and not within themselves, ex. the Cuban embargo. Second, police states typically promise something in exchange for their totalitarianism... the lower class never wanders blindly into it, they're always given something in return, such as how communist states have incredible literacy rates/amounts of doctors or how older autocracies could promise protection from outside threats. Also, Napoleon invaded Russia in June. Operation Barbarossa began in the same month.

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*** The problem with the Hunger Games is that it utterly misrepresents food politics and police states by two measures: first and foremost, the purpose of food power for a plebian plebeian class is to cripple the economy. By starving the Districts, the Capitol is not only creating unnecessary economic problems (ergo, they could actually be ''more'' powerful) but they're stewing totally unnecessary resentment. This is why countries prefer to use food power as a "carrot-and-stick" to other countries, and not within themselves, ex. the Cuban embargo. Second, police states typically promise something in exchange for their totalitarianism... the lower class never wanders blindly into it, they're always given something in return, such as how communist states have incredible literacy rates/amounts of doctors or how older autocracies could promise protection from outside threats. Also, Napoleon invaded Russia in June. Operation Barbarossa began in the same month.



** Think of what happend when they put adult competitors into the arean: a rebellion was instantly formed. Making adults go into the arena, say anyone over 21 would immidiately be a risk of people who are too strong, smart and experiances would get together and find a way to break out. Most teenagers (except careers) arn't trained in weapon use or real survival skills, adults might be, risking rebellion. And it may be more intersting to watch people with similar skill levals (none) fight it out, than strong miners, clever weapon technicians etc. Also, by putting a time limit, people will think "if i just survive six years i'm safe" and be more complicit. Also, also, as we see with Katniss, people will go to insane lengths to protect their own. if adults were in the hunger games, they would have nothing to lose, so a rebellion might be formed quicker, while as people would be afraid to rebel because of what failure could mean for their children. And wiping out two heads of families from each district could be disasterous. The Capitol might not want that.

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** Think of what happend happened when they put adult competitors into the arean: arena: a rebellion was instantly formed. Making adults go into the arena, say anyone over 21 would immidiately be a risk of people who are too strong, smart and experiances experiences would get together and find a way to break out. Most teenagers (except careers) arn't trained in weapon use or real survival skills, adults might be, risking rebellion. And it may be more intersting interesting to watch people with similar skill levals levels (none) fight it out, than strong miners, clever weapon technicians etc. Also, by putting a time limit, people will think "if i just survive six years i'm safe" and be more complicit. Also, also, as we see with Katniss, people will go to insane lengths to protect their own. if adults were in the hunger games, they would have nothing to lose, so a rebellion might be formed quicker, while as people would be afraid to rebel because of what failure could mean for their children. And wiping out two heads of families from each district could be disasterous.disastrous. The Capitol might not want that.
13th Apr '17 5:29:05 AM erforce
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* This troper always saw it as more in common with TheRunningMan than Battle Royale. Which is not obscure by any measure. But yeah, the similarity is really just in base concept, it does legitimately do different stuff with it.

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* This troper always saw it as more in common with TheRunningMan Film/TheRunningMan than Battle Royale. Which is not obscure by any measure. But yeah, the similarity is really just in base concept, it does legitimately do different stuff with it.
7th Apr '17 1:49:46 PM LiamXDin
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***Not true. Panem uses currency (Katniss sells the game she has to spare and gets money as part of her prize for winning the Games) and it's fairly clear that what nearly kills the Everdeens isn't just lack of food: it's lack of money to buy it. Mr Everdeen is the sole breadwinner when he dies, Mrs Everdeen zones out for a while and there is no money coming in. At her lowest ebb (when Peeta throws the burned bread) she is starving because she can't buy any food but other people still can. The Capitol limits what food is available (the flour for the bakery is presumably from 11, and they're going to make sure that the Capitol have all the cake they need before they allow shipments to be diverted elsewhere) but they're not doling out an equal amount of food to all citizens. Much like now: there are people who can drop $1000s on a wedding ccake and people who have to choose between paying their bills and buying food.
7th Apr '17 1:42:04 PM LiamXDin
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* Why do the Career Tributes volunteer? I mean, there's only a low chance that any given Career Tribute will win, so volunteering is practically suicide.

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* Why do the Career Tributes volunteer? I mean, there's only a low chance that any given Career Tribute will win, so volunteering is practically suicide.suicide.
**I don't know where the idea it's a 'low chance' came from. Each Career has pretty good odds at surviving any non-Career and then they just have to outlast the five others. From their point of view, they're told probably from birth that they're the best, to train, to win and that victory will bring them glory and make life better for their District. When put into that mentality, with nothing to prove otherwise, they're probably not expecting a long life unless they 'earn' it by winning the Games. Whilst most people get to adulthood by simply not being Reaped, they are taught to take the chance of a better life. They are, after all, children. There are kids even now who make silly decisions to live up to parental and societal expectations, it's not hard to imagine that placed in a random death lottery with starvation being the norm you'd take the 'I might die but I might fix things' chance.
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