History Headscratchers / TheGiver

22nd Dec '16 5:15:43 PM Homemaderat
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*** Maybe we can take this one step further. What if the original receiver received his gift from the TradeMaster? The deal being in exchange for taking the memories, he must always stay in the community. Sounds like a deal he would make.

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*** Maybe we can take this one step further. What if the original receiver received his gift from the TradeMaster? Trademaster? The deal being in exchange for taking the memories, he must always stay in the community. Sounds like a deal he would make.
*** Honestly if we add the notion the community in the Giver was set up all from a deal by the Trademaster, we've given Lois Lowry a very good story for a prequel.
3rd Dec '16 8:27:42 PM Sharlee
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*** Okay, that makes much more sense now. Thanks.

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*** Okay, that makes much more sense now. Thanks.Thanks.
** If it was really necessary to distinguish "blue" eyes from other sorts of "light" ones - say, if ''only'' truly blue-eyed people are potential Receivers and gray-eyed ones won't do - they could always use an optical spectrometer to check the eye color's wavelength. It'd report a number that would match that of other blue eyes, even if the person using the device can't see the distinction.
3rd Dec '16 8:17:55 PM Sharlee
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** None of which explains why, if twins looking too much alike is the problem, they couldn't just give each baby a different nose-job or whatever, then never tell their respective family units that they were twins. It's not as if the kids in different units aren't going to look alike from time to time anyway, due to sharing the same birthmother or sperm donor; so long as there's ''some'' distinguishing trait, it'd be fine.
3rd Dec '16 8:11:46 PM Sharlee
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*** Giving birth, in itself, is going to flood the body with more oxytocin than a ''week's'' worth of nursing would pump out. Most likely the birthmothers are kept semi-sedated for delivery, then given an oxytocin-inhibitor to quash any lingering emotional effects.


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3rd Dec '16 8:05:33 PM Sharlee
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** It's not a {{dystopia}} -- it's a {{deconstruction}} of the {{Utopia}}, but the latter is eventually regarded as the former since they're both places you theoretically wouldn't want to live.
** I don't know what your idea of violence is but I think murdering babies just because a family can't be found for them counts. Also, lack of oppression? The whole community is founded on oppression! There is literally nothing but oppression in the community!



** It's not a {{dystopia}} -- it's a {{deconstruction}} of the {{Utopia}}, but the latter is eventually regarded as the former since they're both places you theoretically wouldn't want to live.
** I don't know what your idea of violence is but I think murdering babies just because a family can't be found for them counts. Also, lack of oppression? The whole community is founded on oppression! There is literally nothing but oppression in the community!

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** It's not a {{dystopia}} -- it's a {{deconstruction}} of Presumably the {{Utopia}}, but birthmothers' artificial insemination is timed to avoid births that fall too near the latter is eventually regarded as the former since they're both places you theoretically wouldn't want year's end to live.
** I don't know what your idea of violence is but I think murdering babies just because a family can't be found
allow for them counts. Also, lack of oppression? The whole community is founded on oppression! There is literally nothing but oppression in the community!adequate screening.
2nd Nov '16 12:32:45 AM Leitmotif
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** I don't think they know his eyes are blue, exactly, but Jonas's eyes are often described as "light." So even if the community doesn't know what color is, they can still tell that there's ''something'' different about him.

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** I don't think they know his eyes are blue, exactly, but Jonas's eyes are often described as "light." So even if the community doesn't know what color is, they can still tell that there's ''something'' different about him.him.
***Okay, that makes much more sense now. Thanks.
1st Nov '16 10:36:58 AM OrangenChan
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*** With they way the gifts are described in the sequels, though, the above guess does make a bit more sense. Jonas being able to tell how things "should" look fits in well with how his "seeing beyond" was expanded in later books, in my opinion.
24th Sep '16 4:37:16 PM OrangenChan
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** It would make a lot more sense if birth mothers were birth mothers for more than 3 years. the longer they stay birth mothers, the less new birth mothers you need every year. If it were for say ten years, only 5 new birth mothers are needed per year.

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** It would make a lot more sense if birth mothers were birth mothers for more than 3 years. the The longer they stay birth mothers, the less new birth mothers you need every year. If it were for say ten years, only 5 new birth mothers are needed per year.


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** Reinforcing the above idea, it actually ''is'' mentioned that looking up the newborns' names is a fairly minor infraction. Jonas's mom is one of the justices, [=IIRC=], and she doesn't seem to care, so... as long as nobody says anything about it, then Jonas's dad could get away with it.
19th Sep '16 3:04:35 AM OrangenChan
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*** They could always use the "occupied signs" idea above for public bathrooms.


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*** So, I'd guess it's possible that Birthmothers having children before 15 isn't ''common'', but certainly ''happens'' more than we'd be led to believe. 12 is unlikely, but 13 may even be possible for some of them.
8th Sep '16 11:37:51 AM OrangenChan
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* It's been about seven or eight years since I read the Giver, but I only now just realized something. How do the people in the community know Jonas has blue eyes if they're all colorblind? I mean, it could be explained by the Giver simply taking a look at the prospects or something, but I feel like this is implying everyone knows something is strange, or at least some of the Elders. How do they even know that someone has the ability to 'see beyond' if they don't even know what color is? Even with the Giver/Receiver explaining it to another party, it would be completely lost on them regardless. How do you try to explain color to someone who has never witnessed anything besides black and white; someone who cannot physically notice or perceive it? How would they have any knowledge, understanding, or context of it to even come to such a grandiose conclusion as him being able to 'see beyond'? It might just be Elders taking the Giver/Receiver at his word, I don't know. Again, it's been a long time since I read it and I might be missing a note here or there, so any explanation is very appreciated.

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* It's been about seven or eight years since I read the Giver, but I only now just realized something. How do the people in the community know Jonas has blue eyes if they're all colorblind? I mean, it could be explained by the Giver simply taking a look at the prospects or something, but I feel like this is implying everyone knows something is strange, or at least some of the Elders. How do they even know that someone has the ability to 'see beyond' if they don't even know what color is? Even with the Giver/Receiver explaining it to another party, it would be completely lost on them regardless. How do you try to explain color to someone who has never witnessed anything besides black and white; someone who cannot physically notice or perceive it? How would they have any knowledge, understanding, or context of it to even come to such a grandiose conclusion as him being able to 'see beyond'? It might just be Elders taking the Giver/Receiver at his word, I don't know. Again, it's been a long time since I read it and I might be missing a note here or there, so any explanation is very appreciated.appreciated.
** I don't think they know his eyes are blue, exactly, but Jonas's eyes are often described as "light." So even if the community doesn't know what color is, they can still tell that there's ''something'' different about him.
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