Follow TV Tropes

Following

History Headscratchers / TheDresdenfiles

Go To

OR

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Word of Butcher is that Mab was just flat-out wrong.

Added: 464

Changed: 123

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Simple. There's a summoning circle on the island, which can also be used for binding. The Warden finds out about some dark nasty being, lures 'em to Demonreach, activates the circle, and that's it. Or, if they can't/won't cross the water, just get 'em to the shores, bind 'em, and call on Demonreach from there. If Harry had known half of what he could do as Warden in ''Turn Coat,'' the final confrontation with Shagnasty would've lasted about a page, at most.



** Can also be TruthInTelevision here. Even and especially for people who are into lots of fandoms, there are occasions where you just forget about a certain reference because you have a gazillion other things on your mind and haven't thought about that specific thing for a while.

to:

** Can also be TruthInTelevision here. Even and especially for people who are into lots of fandoms, there are occasions where you just forget about a certain reference because you have a gazillion other things on your mind and haven't thought about that specific thing for a while. Also, there is no rule at all saying that just because he's familiar with one fandom, he has to be familiar with another.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

*** Exactly. It doesn't have to be religious faith, just faith in something. Shiro had faith that there was a purpose and a reason to the world beyond his comprehension, and that Harry would know the right person to give the Sword to. Butters has faith that good can overcome evil and light can overcome darkness, ''a la'' Luke Skywalker. The one time Murph wielded the Sword in ''Changes,'' it was out of faith in Harry, faith that she was doing the unquestionably right thing by rescuing a child.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Also, the fact that Murphy could use ''Fidelacchius'' doesn't necessarily mean her Catholic beliefs are all that stringent. Sanya wields a Sword, and he's an atheist. Shiro had one too, and his Baptist faith was an accident. And Butters' Judaism seems more cultural than devout.

to:

** Also, the fact that Murphy could use ''Fidelacchius'' doesn't necessarily mean her Catholic beliefs are all that stringent. Sanya wields a Sword, and he's an atheist. Shiro had one too, and his Baptist faith was an accident. And Butters' Judaism seems more cultural than devout.mostly cultural; his "faith" is to the ideals from a sci-fi movie.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Also, the fact that Murphy could use ''Fidelacchius'' doesn't necessarily mean her religious beliefs are all that strong. Sanya wields one and he's an atheist. Shiro did, and his Baptist faith was an accident. And Butters' Judaism seems more cultural than devout.

to:

** Also, the fact that Murphy could use ''Fidelacchius'' doesn't necessarily mean her religious Catholic beliefs are all that strong. stringent. Sanya wields one a Sword, and he's an atheist. Shiro did, had one too, and his Baptist faith was an accident. And Butters' Judaism seems more cultural than devout.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Also, the fact that Murphy could use ''Fidelacchius'' doesn't necessarily mean her religious beliefs are all that strong. Sanya wields one and he's an atheist. Shiro did, and his Baptist faith was an accident. And Butters' Judaism seems more cultural than devout.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Trope rename cleanup. ZCE


** Plus, it's ''[[HollywoodDateless Harry]]''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

*** Or, since this is a demon we're talking about, it'd simply break the victim's neck on the spot to cut off the connection [=ASAP=].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Or maybe the "lies" being referred to aren't Mab's at all. Maybe it's ''Harry's'' lies - lies he's been agonizing over ''to himself'', that Mab can warp his inherent nature and that he's powerless to prevent it - which Uriel was referring to.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** A "Death Curse" is simply when a wizard throws every drop of power they have - including the part that normally goes to keeping their body alive - into a spell. It's not called a Death Curse because you can only cast it when already dying, it's called a Death Curse because it by definition kills you to cast it.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Bear in mind Vadderung and Santa Claus, by his own account, are two entirely separate individuals. They just happen to share the same body.


Added DiffLines:

** Yep. There's a bit in, I think, Dead Beat, where he plans to unleash a Death Curse against the Kemmlerites even though he's not dying, because he knows he can't beat Morgan (and even if he can, it'll be a Phyrric victory). So it would kill him to do so.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

[[/folder]]

[[folder:What happens if you cast a Death Curse when you're not dying?]]
Do they ever specify what happens?
Does the wizard die?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Choice. Murphy probably could have chosen to move on to What Comes Next, but she spent Peace Talks and Battle Ground not ready to leave the fight. And if she made the choice freely, an angel couldn’t gainsay that.

Added: 143

Changed: 4

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** It's also worth bearing in mind that Ebenezar ''taught'' Margaret, meaning that she probably got her expertise in using pathways from him.



** Notice that in Dead Beat even butters could successfully create a simple circle to protect himself against ghosts. Mundane mortals do seem to have a certain amount of magical aptitude (that would probably not bring them anywhere close to White Council wizard levels even if they trained all their lives), so who is to say whether they could summon entities, which is just a particular application of magic? I'd guess that maybe summoning something like Toot-Toot with the help of Pizza would be much easier for a mundane mortal than summoning something like Chaunzaggoroth.

to:

** Notice that in Dead Beat even butters Butters could successfully create a simple circle to protect himself against ghosts. Mundane mortals do seem to have a certain amount of magical aptitude (that would probably not bring them anywhere close to White Council wizard levels even if they trained all their lives), so who is to say whether they could summon entities, which is just a particular application of magic? I'd guess that maybe summoning something like Toot-Toot with the help of Pizza would be much easier for a mundane mortal than summoning something like Chaunzaggoroth.



** Well, in short, your right. The mass obfuscation does not make sense logically. However, it makes sense ''structurally''. The mass delusion and obfuscation serve the story by isolating Harry and forcing him to get involved, instead of doing what any rational person would do and simply call the police once he realizes he is in way over his head. One of the conceits of the series is that Dresden is ''alone'', he is unappreciated, isolated, without support, and that he has to do everything himself because no one else will, like John [=McClane=] (in fact, the ''Franchise/DieHard'' series is one of the inspirations for the novel series). Also, one of the conceits of the urban fantasy series is that there is all this magic and mystery going on and no one knows what is going on. The genre would be ruined if mortals suddenly clued-in. Also, the Dresden Files is very similar to a superhero series, and, of course, one of the conceits of superheroes is that ordinary police are by-and-large useless. Thus, in short, you're right that it doesn't make sense, but it's fiction. Logic always takes a backseat to awesomeness.

to:

** Well, in short, your you're right. The mass obfuscation does not make sense logically. However, it makes sense ''structurally''. The mass delusion and obfuscation serve the story by isolating Harry and forcing him to get involved, instead of doing what any rational person would do and simply call the police once he realizes he is in way over his head. One of the conceits of the series is that Dresden is ''alone'', he is unappreciated, isolated, without support, and that he has to do everything himself because no one else will, like John [=McClane=] (in fact, the ''Franchise/DieHard'' series is one of the inspirations for the novel series). Also, one of the conceits of the urban fantasy series is that there is all this magic and mystery going on and no one knows what is going on. The genre would be ruined if mortals suddenly clued-in. Also, the Dresden Files is very similar to a superhero series, and, of course, one of the conceits of superheroes is that ordinary police are by-and-large useless. Thus, in short, you're right that it doesn't make sense, but it's fiction. Logic always takes a backseat to awesomeness.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Possibly the ''guns''' working parts were ferrous metal, but the ''bullets'' weren't. That could sidestep the "no using the Bane" taboo, as striking an opponent with lead, copper, and/or antimony wouldn't count.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Remember that Vadderung is also Santa Claus, who at least kind of works for the Almighty. So there's at least an argument to be made that Murphy is still in the Catholic church as a Einherjar.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** It was mentioned earlier in the book that Vadderung and Mr. Sunshine have lunch once a year. It's possible that they struck a deal, and/or that she'll be needed as an Einherjar later on.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

[[/folder]]

[[folder: Murphy's Fate (Battle Ground spoilers)]]
*Given Murphy was catholic with enough faith to be a holy knight, how could she be picked to be an Einherjar? Shouldn't she have had an angel of death like Forthill's to take her to heaven?

Top