History Headscratchers / TheCatcherInTheRye

7th Oct '16 11:10:47 AM k410ren
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** Thanks for the clarification.
28th Sep '16 8:02:06 AM isolato
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** He just wants keep children innocent while they're ''still'' children, not for ever.
25th Sep '16 9:58:44 PM k410ren
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** This doesn't seem to answer the question.
4th May '16 10:31:15 PM Wickedcoolghost
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* How is Holden a ByronicHero? He's not very charismatic, not self-critical (he's very much the opposite), and not an internally motivated person, content to just complain about the world rather than do something about it. Holden doesn't even live up to his own standards of not being a phony, pretending to be "Rudolph" (or was it Rudolf?) to another classmate's mother, to give an example, and doesn't even try.

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* How is Holden a ByronicHero? He's not very charismatic, not self-critical (he's very much the opposite), and not an internally motivated person, content to just complain about the world rather than do something about it. Holden doesn't even live up to his own standards of not being a phony, pretending to be "Rudolph" (or was it Rudolf?) to another classmate's mother, to give an example, and doesn't even try.try.
**Like [[JaneEyre Rochester]] before him, his charisma is in the eye of the beholder--and he's certainly self-loathing with an internal conflict and FreudianExcuse. How much more do you need?
22nd Jan '16 8:46:40 AM cdrood
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** That's sort of the point. Holden is talking about how he feels and is mostly raw emotion. He's not a critical thinker, but an unhappy kid projecting his unhappiness on the world. When you think about it, he grew up in an era of square jawed heroes and rah rah war movies. He's literally living in a world where a great number of combat veterans are still in their prime. He sees the flaws in these adults, some of whom were actual war heroes, and can't yet reconcile it with the heroes he's been raised to expect.
22nd Jan '16 8:40:27 AM cdrood
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*** There is also his blatant hypocrisy in looking down on nearly everyone else as "phonies" and then repeatedly lying when the situation suits him. I believe this is intended. He's not supposed to be seen as any better than anyone else.
16th Nov '15 3:40:50 PM ange1eye5
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* How is Holden a ByronicHero? He's not very charismatic, not self-critical (he's very much the opposite), and not an internally motivated person, content to just complain about the world rather than do something about it. Holden doesn't even live up to his own standards of not being a phony, pretending to be "Rudolph" (or was it Rudolf?) to another classmate's mother, to give an example.

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* How is Holden a ByronicHero? He's not very charismatic, not self-critical (he's very much the opposite), and not an internally motivated person, content to just complain about the world rather than do something about it. Holden doesn't even live up to his own standards of not being a phony, pretending to be "Rudolph" (or was it Rudolf?) to another classmate's mother, to give an example.example, and doesn't even try.
16th Nov '15 2:42:59 PM ange1eye5
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* What I don't understand about Holden's ideas about keeping children innocent is how will they be passed on? If part of that is keeping them away from sex, who will inherit his ideas and ideals? Most information is passed from parent to child. Most times, people have to have sex in order to have children.

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* What I don't understand about Holden's ideas about keeping children innocent is how will they be passed on? If part of that is keeping them away from sex, who will inherit his ideas and ideals? Most information is passed from parent to child. Most times, people have to have sex in order to have children.
children and the means of not having sex to have children was virtually unheard of.
16th Nov '15 2:37:24 PM ange1eye5
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** I don't know about the "manipulative" part, but Holden comes across as an arrogant jerk for how much he criticises the world and the society without ever looking at his own reflection to ask himself if he's any better. He implicitly acts as if it's the world's fault that his life's in the crapper, and rarely if ever acknowledges his own numerous mistakes in the narration,

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** I don't know about the "manipulative" part, but Holden comes across as an arrogant jerk for how much he criticises criticizes the world and the society without ever looking at his own reflection to ask himself if he's any better. He implicitly acts as if it's the world's fault that his life's in the crapper, and rarely if ever acknowledges his own numerous mistakes in the narration,
narration.
16th Nov '15 2:31:10 PM ange1eye5
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* What I don't understand about Holden's ideas about keeping children innocent is how will they be passed on? If part of that is keeping them away from sex, who will inherit his ideas and ideals? Most information is passed from parent to child. Most times, people have to have sex in order to have children.

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* What I don't understand about Holden's ideas about keeping children innocent is how will they be passed on? If part of that is keeping them away from sex, who will inherit his ideas and ideals? Most information is passed from parent to child. Most times, people have to have sex in order to have children.children.

* How is Holden a ByronicHero? He's not very charismatic, not self-critical (he's very much the opposite), and not an internally motivated person, content to just complain about the world rather than do something about it. Holden doesn't even live up to his own standards of not being a phony, pretending to be "Rudolph" (or was it Rudolf?) to another classmate's mother, to give an example.
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