History Headscratchers / TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2003

16th May '17 3:18:00 PM nombretomado
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* Karai's behavior bothers me. During her debut up until the episode "Hun On The Run" she seemed to be reluctant follower of the Shredder and questioned his methods, but stayed with him because he found her, raised her and taught ninjitsu. Most prominent example of this is in episode "Mission Of Gravity", where she knows that Shredder's method of removing Triceraton engine would kill millions of people and she even told the Turtles that she didn't wish to see so many people suffer because of her father. During the end she said that she could not easily abandon her father, even if he did bad things. Those episodes could make you feel sympathetic to Karai, she knows that Shredder is bad person, but can't simply abandon him, because he gave her home and raised her, after all. Starting with episode "Same As It Never Was" she began to change. In the said episode she, actually her alternate future self, aided Shredder and stayed loyal to him even after he enslaved the entire planet and turned it into living nightmare, with many people either destroyed by him or suffering under his tyrannical rule. Shredder did all those things, yet she did nothing, staying loyal to him, while claiming that she is doing her job. In previous episodes Karai would disobey Shredder and would act against him (most notably in "Mission Of Gravity"), yet here she does nothing, allowing millions of people suffer, something that she could not do in previous episodes. Shredder had crossed the line in that episode, she should have realized that he had gone too far and must be dealt with, yet she remained entirely loyal to him. You could give this a pass, since this was an alternate universe, but that was the sign of Karai's semi-Flanderization which extended to present Karai. During the "Exodus" she was told by Shredder that Utroms had hunted him and were heartless monsters and she didn't knew the truth about her father. But when she finds out why Utroms persecuted her father and learns that he had committed many atrocities, which resulted in deaths of millions, if not more, innocent beings, she doesn't pull a HeelFaceTurn and realize that her father needed to be stopped, instead she seeks revenge against Turtles and is still loyal to her father, even after finding out that he was not as innocent as he told her. By the way, Shredder also tried to kill Karai when she stopped him from killing the Turtles. What is wrong with you, Karai? You learned that your father had caused millions of deaths and suffering throughout galaxy and even attempted to kill you, yet you still think that it is Turtles fault? She only returned to her characterization as reluctant and honorable follower of the Shredder during the TurtlesForever, where she realized that Shredder cares only about his revenge and doesn't listen to her, something she should have realized back in Season 3.

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* Karai's behavior bothers me. During her debut up until the episode "Hun On The Run" she seemed to be reluctant follower of the Shredder and questioned his methods, but stayed with him because he found her, raised her and taught ninjitsu. Most prominent example of this is in episode "Mission Of Gravity", where she knows that Shredder's method of removing Triceraton engine would kill millions of people and she even told the Turtles that she didn't wish to see so many people suffer because of her father. During the end she said that she could not easily abandon her father, even if he did bad things. Those episodes could make you feel sympathetic to Karai, she knows that Shredder is bad person, but can't simply abandon him, because he gave her home and raised her, after all. Starting with episode "Same As It Never Was" she began to change. In the said episode she, actually her alternate future self, aided Shredder and stayed loyal to him even after he enslaved the entire planet and turned it into living nightmare, with many people either destroyed by him or suffering under his tyrannical rule. Shredder did all those things, yet she did nothing, staying loyal to him, while claiming that she is doing her job. In previous episodes Karai would disobey Shredder and would act against him (most notably in "Mission Of Gravity"), yet here she does nothing, allowing millions of people suffer, something that she could not do in previous episodes. Shredder had crossed the line in that episode, she should have realized that he had gone too far and must be dealt with, yet she remained entirely loyal to him. You could give this a pass, since this was an alternate universe, but that was the sign of Karai's semi-Flanderization which extended to present Karai. During the "Exodus" she was told by Shredder that Utroms had hunted him and were heartless monsters and she didn't knew the truth about her father. But when she finds out why Utroms persecuted her father and learns that he had committed many atrocities, which resulted in deaths of millions, if not more, innocent beings, she doesn't pull a HeelFaceTurn and realize that her father needed to be stopped, instead she seeks revenge against Turtles and is still loyal to her father, even after finding out that he was not as innocent as he told her. By the way, Shredder also tried to kill Karai when she stopped him from killing the Turtles. What is wrong with you, Karai? You learned that your father had caused millions of deaths and suffering throughout galaxy and even attempted to kill you, yet you still think that it is Turtles fault? She only returned to her characterization as reluctant and honorable follower of the Shredder during the TurtlesForever, ''WesternAnimation/TurtlesForever'', where she realized that Shredder cares only about his revenge and doesn't listen to her, something she should have realized back in Season 3.
26th Jul '16 2:01:43 PM HaggisMcCrablice
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** Deliberate RedHerring by both the writers and Ch'rell himself. I imagine in his centuries of terror on countless worlds this is a trick he's perfected.
25th Jun '16 4:33:50 AM Bauglir100
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** The Utroms.

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** The Utroms.Utroms were there to stop him for all that time.
25th Jun '16 4:32:35 AM Bauglir100
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** The Utroms.
24th Jun '16 10:52:58 PM Bauglir100
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* Utrom Shredder has been on earth for over 400 years. He had PLENTY of time to conquer the earth. Why did he wait until 2003 to wreck havoc on earth? There were no turtles and Splinter to pester him.

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* Utrom Shredder has been on earth for over 400 years. He had PLENTY of time to conquer the earth. Why did he wait until 2003 to wreck havoc on earth? There were no turtles and Splinter to pester him.him.
* In "A Better Mousetrap", April assumes something is suspicious about the mass production of Mouser robots. "I don't care how bad the city's rodent problem is. This is serious overkill!" Couldn't she have just assumed that those other Mousers were meant for--you know--''other'' cities? It's not like NYC is the only place in the world that has a rodent problem.
21st Apr '16 2:20:08 PM SuperMagneto
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* Utrom Shredder has been on earth for over 400 years. He had PLENTY of time to conquer the earth. Why did he wait until 2003 to wreck havoc?

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* Utrom Shredder has been on earth for over 400 years. He had PLENTY of time to conquer the earth. Why did he wait until 2003 to wreck havoc?havoc on earth? There were no turtles and Splinter to pester him.
21st Apr '16 2:18:31 PM SuperMagneto
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* Shredder has been on earth for over 400 years. He had PLENTY of time to conquer the earth. Why did he wait until 2003 to wreck havoc?

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* Utrom Shredder has been on earth for over 400 years. He had PLENTY of time to conquer the earth. Why did he wait until 2003 to wreck havoc?
21st Apr '16 2:18:12 PM SuperMagneto
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* Shredder has been on earth for over 400 years. He had PLENTY of time to conquer the earth. Why did he wait until 2003 to wreck havoc?
14th Dec '15 5:14:57 AM lepouvantail
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*Actually, when the turtles meet Casey, he's clearly older, most likely a pre-teen/teen. He was very young compared to when he appeared in "The Lesson", so that solves that headscratcher.

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*Actually, **Actually, when the turtles meet Casey, he's clearly older, most likely a pre-teen/teen. He was very young compared to when he appeared in "The Lesson", so that solves that headscratcher.
14th Dec '15 5:10:56 AM lepouvantail
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* At several points in the series Shredder will list of a series of allieas he has, Ch'rell (his Utrom/birth name,) Oroku Saki, The Shredder and Duke Acureds. We know where most of these came from but where does the Duke Accureds thing come from?

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* At several points in the series Shredder will list of a series of allieas aliases he has, Ch'rell (his Utrom/birth name,) Oroku Saki, The Shredder and Duke Acureds. We know where most of these came from but where does the Duke Accureds thing come from?



* In season 1, the Guardians are always depicted as talking to the Utrom high council who are depicted as three human who speak with one voice (later revealed to be three human robots on top of a tank containing the utroms). Why the human disguise when the guardian obviously knew the truth?

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* In season 1, the Guardians are always depicted as talking to the Utrom high council who are depicted as three human who speak with one voice (later revealed to be three human robots on top of a tank containing the utroms).Utroms). Why the human disguise when the guardian obviously knew the truth?
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