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** [[spoiler:The crew can maybe bar brawl but do you want to fight with a man who just single handedly murdered almost everyone on board? Lifeboats are also a possibility, they weren't that far from shore if I remember it right.]]
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*** He aborted a mission once just to visit his daughter...he got reassigned to Alaska for that. It´s not like he didn´t want to, it´s more like that he would see her LESS if he tried to see her more.

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*** He aborted a mission once just to visit his daughter...he got reassigned to Alaska for that. It´s not like he didn´t want to, it´s it's more like that he would see her LESS if he tried to see her more.
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** To paraphrase ''Series/BurnNotice'', having a hostage means they've got a gun with a single bullet. A bullet they've currently got reserved for making sure he doesn't shoot them all in the face.


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** No.
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** Same reason someone thought it'd be a good idea to shoot JohnLennon, presumably.

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** Same reason someone thought it'd be a good idea to shoot JohnLennon, Music/JohnLennon, presumably.
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* MST3K all the way, but isn't a tad too [[ContrivedCoincidence convenient]] that the ex-CIA agent happens to get his daughter (out of the millions of tourists to France) kidnapped, thus proving his otherwise excessively paranoid and over-protective father to be totally justified? I mean, in the extremely likely event of his daughter not being kidnapped, this movie would have been about a jerk-ass, loser father who won't let his daughter go. And then that bitchy ex-wife would be the voice of reason. Is this film basically saying that one should be excessively paranoid about foreigners and over protective of your children?

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* MST3K {{MST3K|Mantra}} all the way, but isn't a tad too [[ContrivedCoincidence convenient]] that the ex-CIA agent happens to get his daughter (out of the millions of tourists to France) kidnapped, thus proving his otherwise excessively paranoid and over-protective father to be totally justified? I mean, in the extremely likely event of his daughter not being kidnapped, this movie would have been about a jerk-ass, loser father who won't let his daughter go. And then that bitchy ex-wife would be the voice of reason. Is this film basically saying that one should be excessively paranoid about foreigners and over protective of your children?



** Okay, this wouldn't necessarily have ''worked'' for more than a few minutes (or however long it takes to kick down a door in movie-land), but it just seems very strange that the thought never occurs to either of them. No, he couldn't see where she was, but asking something like "Where are you? Indoors? They're in a different room, right? Can you lock them out of the room you're in?" seems reasonable enough. Then again, the MST3K manta probably applies here. "Can you lock the door?" "Won't work, they'll just kick it down!" "Okay, go hide under something!" would kind of ruin the drama.

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** Okay, this wouldn't necessarily have ''worked'' for more than a few minutes (or however long it takes to kick down a door in movie-land), but it just seems very strange that the thought never occurs to either of them. No, he couldn't see where she was, but asking something like "Where are you? Indoors? They're in a different room, right? Can you lock them out of the room you're in?" seems reasonable enough. Then again, the MST3K manta MST3KMantra probably applies here. "Can you lock the door?" "Won't work, they'll just kick it down!" "Okay, go hide under something!" would kind of ruin the drama.
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** This Troper absolutely concurs with you (as, in fact, does the entire "Taken" board on IMDb).

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** This Troper absolutely concurs with you (as, in fact, does the entire "Taken" board on IMDb).Website/IMDb).
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** [[MoralMyopia Pretty much]]. Plus, when you're in any sort of cutthroat criminal enterprise, you can't afford to look weak, so the best way to remedy any appearance of weakness is to [[MakeAnExampleOfThem kill the one who wronged you]].
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* What did the villain in the second movie think the consequences of running a human trafficking ring was going to be? Even in the best case scenario, human slavers very rarely die at home in bed. And now he's pissed that his family's monstrous actions had actual consequences?
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** Well, it happens with a lot of [[FanDumb crazy male fans]] who believe ''"if I can't have her, nobody can"'', as the botched attempt on Japanese singer-and-voice actress [[NanaMizuki Mizuki Nana]] shows.

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** Well, it happens with a lot of [[FanDumb crazy male fans]] who believe ''"if I can't have her, nobody can"'', as the botched attempt on Japanese singer-and-voice actress [[NanaMizuki Mizuki Nana]] Creator/NanaMizuki shows.
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** I'd like to know how they even got off the ''boat!'' Presumably it had a crew separate from all the mooks. [[spoiler:Did Bryan kill them too, or were they OK with just dropping Bryan and Kim off after he'd explained why he'd just murdered their employer and all his bodyguards?]]
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**** Not to mention that murder is a more serious crime than a missing persons case. Not that they're ''unwilling'' to commit murder, but that it brings a lot of extra heat - in short, it's bad for business. Rich tourist girl on holiday doesn't call? Yeah, maybe they'll send a cop or two, maybe do some investigation, and it'll be a cold case unless they're unlucky enough to have a witness. But a father and daughter traveling on holiday ends with the father dead of a gunshot wound in a hotel room and the daughter missing? That's going to bring a LOT more attention.
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*** It still isn't safe to travel alone, with an irresponsible friend and two others she doesn't know, not merely to a safe area of Paris but traveling all across Europe, with not even as much as regular contact (Lenore calls Brian paranoid for demanding it, implying she didn't demand it herself). Worse yet, she outright encourages her daughter to lie to her father about where she's going, who she's going with, and what she's doing. That is extremely improper conduct unbecoming of any reasonable parent and it's very unsafe behavior for any traveler, let alone for a 17 year old.
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** If it's in her pocket, any sound will be muffled not only by that, but also by all the movement involved in the people grabbing and taking her. Also, there's a high chance the phone will be damaged or broken in the struggle.
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* Why did Bryan tell Kim to leave her cell phone on the floor and yell out the descriptions? Wouldn't it make more sense for her to keep it in her pocket while describing them? And on the rare (very rare) chance that they don't automatically search them for phones or weapons, Kim might be able to stash the phone somewhere to use later or Bryan could track her location with it.
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** No reason to assume he didn't go back to make certain she was okay after he saved Kim, don't forget this all took place over a span of a day or so at most. Plus the owner clearly knows him and is implied to be a friend, and while he probably doesn't know exactly what he did for a living, he presumably got briefed he was a good guy. So he could just explain it away as being part of some classified mission and he needs him to look after her while he finishes it.
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* I may be missing something, but what happened to the prostitute that Bryan rescued from the construction site? Did he just leave her in the hotel? Because, considering she was forcibly addicted to drugs...
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** Except that the authorities already know who he is and what he's doing midway into the movie, as Jean-Claude informs the police about Bryan, and the French cops are shown tailing him.

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** Except that the authorities already know who he is and what he's doing midway into the movie, as Jean-Claude informs the police cops about Bryan, and the French cops police are shown tailing him.
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** Except that the authorities already know who he is and what he's doing midway into the movie, as Jean-Claude informs the police about Bryan, and the French cops are shown tailing him.
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**Except they had his wife so they could have forced him to drop his phone and gun without getting close and why would they let him call his phone for all they know he might been calling the FBI or police
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*** But Bryan wasn't really saying he didn't want his daughter travelling to France at all, he just didn't want her to go without adult supervision. Which is a completely valid point.

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*** And you're mistaken when you recall that she didn't call him 'pathetic' ever in the movie. Yes. Yes she did. When he refused to sign the paper at the dinner and Kimmy ran out, the mom said with complete disgust that he was pathetic and left. And even if she was not doing all this just to spite Brian, she also has to be completely naive (not just ''a bit'') to think it is safe for her daughter to go chasing a band all over Europe. In fact, I'd call her a moron. This Troper's mother agrees with that assessment. It's not exactly kept on the down low that people in mobs are dangerous, and fans more-so. And even if Brian didn't tell her much about his work, she should have still respected his opinion of the dangers.

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*** And you're mistaken when you recall that she didn't call him 'pathetic' ever in the movie. Yes. Yes she did. When he refused to sign the paper at the dinner and Kimmy ran out, the mom said with complete disgust that he was pathetic and left. And even if she was not doing all this just to spite Brian, she also has to be completely naive (not just ''a bit'') to think it is safe for her daughter to go chasing a band all over Europe. In fact, I'd call her a moron. This Troper's mother agrees with that assessment. It's not exactly kept on the down low that people in mobs are dangerous, and fans more-so. And even if Brian didn't tell her much about his work, she should have still respected his opinion of the dangers. dangers.
** Newsflash: most 17 year olds who go on holiday without adult supervision (which is pretty common) don't get kidnapped by sex traffickers, especially somewhere as safe as France. Bryan WAS being overprotective, and she was right to call him pathetic for it. That he was unfortunate enough to have had his paranoid fears proven right doesn't mean he wasn't being paranoid.
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***And you're mistaken when you recall that she didn't call him 'pathetic' ever in the movie. Yes. Yes she did. When he refused to sign the paper at the dinner and Kimmy ran out, the mom said with complete disgust that he was pathetic and left. And even if she was not doing all this just to spite Brian, she also has to be completely naive (not just ''a bit'') to think it is safe for her daughter to go chasing a band all over Europe. In fact, I'd call her a moron. This Troper's mother agrees with that assessment. It's not exactly kept on the down low that people in mobs are dangerous, and fans more-so. And even if Brian didn't tell her much about his work, she should have still respected his opinion of the dangers.
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** [[WildMassGuessing While he was born in France, Patrice St. Clair was raised and educated in America before returning to his native land, sans accent.]]
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* What's the deal with St. Clair? Why does an upper-class Parisian socialite speak perfect English with a generic North American accent? Was he meant to be some kind of expatriate?
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** A. No, she didn't do it "just for the sake of being spiteful to Brian," and there's no indication at all in the movie that's the case. The way she was acting was because she had custody of the daughter, so that means she makes decisions about her daughter--asking for Brian's consent/permission was a courtesy in her mind. She'd already decided Kim could go, so she figured getting the ok from Brian was a formality. I don't recall her ever calling Brian "pathetic" throughout the whole movie. In reality, she's just a bit naive about the world, partly because Brian, as a secret agent ''never told her'' all the crap that happens on his job. She sees Brian as being paranoid and overprotective, while she's trying to be the "cool parent". She's misguided, but saying she does all of this ''just'' to spite Brian is just plain not true.

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** A. No, she didn't do it "just for the sake of being spiteful to Brian," and there's no indication at all in the movie that's the case. The way she was acting was because she had custody of the daughter, so that means she makes decisions about her daughter--asking for Brian's consent/permission was a courtesy in her mind. She'd already decided Kim could go, so she figured getting the ok from Brian was a formality. I don't recall her ever calling Brian "pathetic" throughout the whole movie. In reality, she's just a bit naive about the world, partly because Brian, as a secret agent ''never told her'' all the crap that happens on his job. She sees Brian as being paranoid and overprotective, while she's trying to be the "cool parent". She's misguided, but saying she does all of this ''just'' to spite Brian is just plain not true.
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** A. No, she didn't do it "just for the sake of being spiteful to Brian," and there's no indication at all in the movie that's the case. The way she was acting was because she had custody of the daughter, so that means she makes decisions about her daughter--asking for Brian's consent/permission was a courtesy in her mind. She'd already decided Kim could go, so she figured getting the ok from Brian was a formality. I don't recall her ever calling Brian "pathetic" throughout the whole movie. In reality, she's just a bit naive about the world, partly because Brian, as a secret agent ''never told her'' all the crap that happens on his job. She sees Brian as being paranoid and overprotective, while she's trying to be the "cool parent". She's misguided, but saying she does all of this ''just'' to spite Brian is just plain not true.
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** One of the major contributions to the fanbase's hatred towards the mother is her total disregard for her daughter's safety just for the sake of being spiteful to Brian. Kim was a '''recently'''-turned-17 year old who had no experience in travelling anywhere abroad on her own, knew fully well she was taking a tour all over Europe with only one person she knew out of the entire group, made her daughter straight up lie to Brian about the whole thing so he'd be more lenient in signing the papers, didn't even bother to talk to Brian about it first before getting her daughter's hopes up in talking about it all together, calls Brian pathetic for looking out for their daughter's safety considering he has had plenty of experience in the worst parts of the world and knows exactly what kind of scum lurk out there, drives the knife in further by questioning why he couldn't have made it easier by just signing it then and there and in the end doesn't have any concern over not hearing a single word from their daughter when she had just arrived in Paris and criticises Brian because he does. He may be an overprotective father (and a justified one at that) but she makes so many horrible decisions as a parent to a very young daughter that it's like the film was making a damn impressive attempt to make sure the audience hated her.
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* Is it just me or is it unfortunate for them to come up with a "CIA" job description that describes the cooperative work of thousands of counter-terrorism experts? "I was a preventer." sounds a lot like "I was {{Batman}}."

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* Is it just me or is it unfortunate for them to come up with a "CIA" job description that describes the cooperative work of thousands of counter-terrorism experts? "I was a preventer." sounds a lot like "I was {{Batman}}.Franchise/{{Batman}}."
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** In the first film, at least, Bryan seems to make something of an effort to remain very low-key, probably ensuring that few people in the country besides his victims saw him or knew he'd come, and not staying in one place for more than a night. In addition, Albanian mobsters probably wouldn't be too comfortable reporting a mass killing of their own members to the cops - they'd probably rather deal with that sort of thing themselves. Considering that, and the fact that Bryan had only just arrived in the country, it could theoretically be possible for him to slip out again before all the deaths could be positively traced back to him by the authorities.
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I know it\'s not my job to change the wording of others and I don\'t mean to offend anyone, but \"alright\" isn\'t a word. It makes no difference to me, though. I make a lot of grammar, spelling, and sentence corrections on here, but if you prefer the wrong word, that\'s fine, too.

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