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*** Along the same lines, it is ridiculous to not have redundant technical knowledge amongst the crew, at least to the point that if one member is incapacitated, the others would be able to accomplish their role in the mission. It is clearly stated that Capa is the only one capable of operating the payload... The cornerstone of the entire mission and only one crewmember knows how to operate it? Whaaat?
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*** Along the same lines, it is ridiculous to not have redundant technical knowledge amongst the crew, at least to the point that if one member is incapacitated, the others would be able to accomplish their role in the mission. It is clearly stated that Capa is the only one capable of operating the payload... The the cornerstone of the entire mission and only one crewmember knows how to operate it? Whaaat?
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** Have such a small crew, when training additional members and adding the requisite support systems for extra people would be '''trivial'''. (They've already mined ''all of Earth's fissile materials'' for the ship; the Icarus II is already as massive as a small moon, and has consumed untold amounts of industrial resources. Adding more crew and support systems would cost relatively nothing, and add relatively no mass.
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** Have such a small crew, when training additional members and adding the requisite support systems for extra people would be '''trivial'''. (They've They've already mined ''all of Earth's fissile materials'' for the ship; two ships; the Icarus II is already as massive as a small moon, and has consumed untold amounts of industrial resources. Adding more crew and support systems would cost relatively nothing, and add relatively no mass.
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*** The only way it would add time is if each crew member was trained after the other instead of simultanously.
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*** A simple jettison system for the most vulnerable towers on the ship would have done it too; if COM towers 3 and 4 were able to be jettisoned, they'd have harmlessly vaporized instead of directing sun rays onto the oxygen garden.
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*** A simple jettison system for the most vulnerable towers on the ship would have done it too; if COM towers 3 and 4 were able to be jettisoned, they'd have harmlessly vaporized vaporised instead of directing sun rays onto the oxygen garden.
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*** Or a shutter over the oxygen garden window that can close? Or why does it even need a window when full-spectrum lights exist for indoor gardening and you have free solar electric power?
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* Mace's view on heading to the Icarus I is correct. They should have stayed on the mission. Searle's plan is also correct, for the fact that they had no idea if their nuke was going to work. Other than the "needed for plot reasons", why didn't a crew full of rather smart people decide to do both? First, follow Mace's plan to deliver the nuke. When launched, they could observe it as it headed into the sun, because they had no idea if the nuke was going to work or not (as Searle pointed out), and launching the nuke they had would have been a great way to confirm if it would or not. And seeing that the system did malfunction when they did end up launching it, it's safe to say it wouldn't have worked, but there would have been data that Capa could have analyzed to figure out what went wrong, and they could have then gone to Icarus I. When they got there and discovered the computer on board the Icarus I was destroyed, they could have easily detached the Icarus I nuke (which Capa tested and confirmed it was operational) and then attach the Icarus II to it and begin to deliver it and if they needed fuel, they could have syphoned any from Icarus I (assuming the fuel tanks were still intact). And if Capa couldn't find an answer as to why the first nuke failed, then they would have had to draw lots and the loser would have had to do a Slim Pickens ride to be able to set the nuke off properly. It would have taken slightly longer to do, but it wouldn't have lead to the death of Kaneda, the destruction of the oxygen garden, maybe even completely avoid Pinbacker getting on the Icarus II without anyone knowing until he was in a position to pose a serious threat to the mission. And, if Capa couldn't solve the problem, then the mission would have had only one casualty, two at most, instead of the entire crew. Yet, when talking about the plans, not one of the crew considered [[TakeTheThirdOption doing both plans in that order and the whole scene played like there were only two]]?
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** Maybe the computer had failsafes designed to slowly redistribute the oxygen to the bomb room, in the hope that so long as the physicist alone is in there, they can have enough oxygen to function and thus deploy the bomb. Anyway, even if you do assume that it permanently had a large amount of breathable air, you still can't manually run the ship and the mission for the vast majority of the journey time merely from the bomb room.
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** There's really no logical reasoning behind their "solution." If one were to attempt a Watsonian perspective, you could perhaps chalk it up to the good ole "Dumb hairless apes making dumb decisions under stress," but honestly the Doylist perspective of "[[RuleOfDrama We needed some drama]]" is the only explanation.
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** It's at the very front of the ship, right behind the heat shield with a small, heavily tinted window as protecttion. The room was in the shade because Icarus II's shield was casting its shadow over it; once the ship moved away, Icarus I came back into direct sunlight.
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** It's at the very front of the ship, right behind the heat shield with a small, heavily tinted window as protecttion.protection. The room was in the shade because Icarus II's shield was casting its shadow over it; once the ship moved away, Icarus I came back into direct sunlight.
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* The Icarus is a very poorly laid out ship. At no point in the movie can you really relate to "where" things are happening. All you can really tell for sure is the o2 garden is at the rear of the ship. Other than that,where things actually occur in the ship is almost impossible to get any sort of handle on.
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* The Icarus is a very poorly laid out ship. At no point in the movie can you really relate to "where" things are happening. All you can really tell for sure is the o2 garden is at the rear of the ship. Other than that,where that, where things actually occur in the ship is almost impossible to get any sort of handle on.
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* How could the rest of the crew think that Trey unlocked the Icarus II from Icarus I? It doesn't make sense on many levels.
** Trey was ''kept in a coma''. He couldn't walk, let alone have the mental and physical capabilities to unlock the air lock. Plus, even assuming that he ''had'' awoken from his coma, he'd have to remove all his life lines (people in coma must have stuff like drip lines, catheters and gastric tubes inserted), walk over to the airlock and unlock it, walk back, and return all his medical equipment in the state it originally was.
** It is shown in the film that the Icarus hallways are equiped with (security) cameras. Why didn't the crew check this footage to see who had sabotaged the air lock?
** Capa and Mace say, and Searle is assumed to, to have been in certain places on the Icarus I the entire time. Everybody believes each other saying this, but how could they be sure everybody was in the place where they say they were (theoretically, Capa, Mace, Searle or Trey all could have gone to the air lock from the Icarus I).
** Trey was absolutely horrified that he had jeopardized the mission; so much that it made him suicidal. But it makes no sense to think he'd wanted to sabotage the mission on purpose (he may be wanting to take his own life, but he certainly still wanted the mission to succeed).
** On the other hand, why do they say with such certainty ''Harvey'' wouldn't have done it? They had just witnessed Harvey do a very hostile attack on the rest of the crew members prior to his death, and even jeopardizing the mission. If anyone, Harvey at that point was the crew member in danger of sabotaging the mission.
** Trey was ''kept in a coma''. He couldn't walk, let alone have the mental and physical capabilities to unlock the air lock. Plus, even assuming that he ''had'' awoken from his coma, he'd have to remove all his life lines (people in coma must have stuff like drip lines, catheters and gastric tubes inserted), walk over to the airlock and unlock it, walk back, and return all his medical equipment in the state it originally was.
** It is shown in the film that the Icarus hallways are equiped with (security) cameras. Why didn't the crew check this footage to see who had sabotaged the air lock?
** Capa and Mace say, and Searle is assumed to, to have been in certain places on the Icarus I the entire time. Everybody believes each other saying this, but how could they be sure everybody was in the place where they say they were (theoretically, Capa, Mace, Searle or Trey all could have gone to the air lock from the Icarus I).
** Trey was absolutely horrified that he had jeopardized the mission; so much that it made him suicidal. But it makes no sense to think he'd wanted to sabotage the mission on purpose (he may be wanting to take his own life, but he certainly still wanted the mission to succeed).
** On the other hand, why do they say with such certainty ''Harvey'' wouldn't have done it? They had just witnessed Harvey do a very hostile attack on the rest of the crew members prior to his death, and even jeopardizing the mission. If anyone, Harvey at that point was the crew member in danger of sabotaging the mission.
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*Capa makes the decision to reroute Icarus II based on the idea that two bombs gives them two shots at restarting the Sun. Isn't that an overly simplified equation? Mace wants them to continue on the original course, because they don't know anything about why Icarus I failed in its mission, yet two bombs is supposed to be better. Why would two bombs be automatically better? Here are a few facts they absolutely had at their disposal at that moment: 1. The Icarus I had exactly same resources at their disposal, yet whatever resources they had were not enough to carry out the mission. So assuming Icarus I had some kind of mechanical failure, why would the resources aboard Icarus II have any better chance at repairing Icarus I? 2. Icarus I has far exceeded its intended maximum lifespan. Whatever the original problem may have been, the extended wear and tear makes Icarus I's repair even more unlikely. 3. Icarus I did not carry enough consumables to support its entire crew for seven years. Therefore its crew had to be either mostly/completely dead or not in the condition to help the crew of Icarus II with the repairs in any meaningful way. 4. If the crew of Icarus II would have co-opted Icarus I, they would have had to divide their crew between both ships. Then they would have had to perform both missions with half crews. 5. Any plan to perform two drops instead of one would mean scrapping the whole original plan in favor of improvising two missions on the spot with reduced crews and one ship holding together with prayers and bubblegum. Shouldn't Mace have told Capa that one properly executed drop has better odds of success than two half-hearted ones?
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** Think about the environmental implications of mining all the earth's uranium, since most of it is widely dispersed though the earth's crust and oceans (and in the mantle, if you want to build a moon-sized nuke and in so doing stop plate tectonics).
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*** No, the evil strange matter they have to neutralize is at the sun's core, which is just as well for the plot, since it would have no effect on the sun's output unless it were at the center of the sun (where fusion takes place). Problem being not only is it wildly implausible to suggest anything you do at the surface of the sun could affect its core, but if you did get a bomb that big, it would also disrupt or destroy anything between the core and the site at the surface you target - blowing up half the sun is surely as disastrous as leaving it alone.
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*** Cox is wrong about this. When's the last time a manned mission even left earth orbit? Back when computers used vacuum tubes, and technology has outpaced man since then. When's the last time astronauts did anything other than glorified makework on this or that space station? The tough missions today are unmanned, including missions (like comet landing) which are more difficult than this mission (fly near sun, detonate bomb). Similarly airline pilots are mostly there for public relations at this point, computers fly and land planes more safely and reliably than they do (and have for a long time). Unmanned cars, which on uncontrolled streets deal with more complexity than this mission would have to, are already better at their job than the humans stuck behind the wheel to "supervise" them. Bear in mind that adding humans and their life support not only adds tremendously to the payload weight (which is reason enough to exclude them) but increases the complexity and therefore the risk something will go wrong. Every moving part is an additional failure risk - and real-life space failures are unlikely to be solvable by human ingenuity.
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**** No, the evil strange matter they have to neutralize is at the sun's core, which is just as well for the plot, since it would have no effect on the sun's output unless it were at the center of the sun (where fusion takes place). Problem being not only is it wildly implausible to suggest anything you do at the surface of the sun could affect its core, but if you did get a bomb that big, it would also disrupt or destroy anything between the core and the site at the surface you target - blowing up half the sun is surely as disastrous as leaving it alone.
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*** If you're using a completely implausible applied phlebotinum ex machina like that, why even bother with the nuclear material at all? Why not just say you have some strange matter that will migrate to the center of the sun, merge with the evil strange matter at its core, and neutralize it? Because the movie is trying to get more credit for realism than it deserves: it's trying to get its audience to believe in the deus ex nukina and the strange matter is a handwave for people who question it. That's why they started with a nuke the size of the moon before scaling it back, because if you don't think too hard then maybe it's plausible a nuke the size of the moon could affect the sun. I mean, they look like they're the same size, right?
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** Maybe he thought Harvey or Searle managed to find a way aboard. I'm pretty sure my first assumption on a fifth crew member isn't going to be a psychopath from another spaceship that has been sitting around for seven years.
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**A lot of these headscratchers are cleared up when you read the character backstories on the original website. There was no psychiatrist on Icarus 1, and Searle as part of the space program conjectured one of the theories for failure was a disintegration of the crew's psyche over the course of the trip. The program agreed, and the medical officer sent for Icarus II was required to have psychiatric training, and ended up picking Searle.
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** The backstories for the characters were on the film's original website, but in essence, everybody was cross-trained. It is specifically noted that Harvey was capable of handling Mace's, Cassie's, and Trey's duties.
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** Well you could possibly argue that since Capa is ''the'' most important crew member, it's probably in their best interest to waste no time in getting ''him'' in particular back to the ship. And of course, Capa giving the suit to whoever stays behind wouldn't be a smart move, since the whole "wrapped in protective sheets" route would put Capa in way more danger.
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** Well you could possibly argue that since Capa is ''the'' most important crew member, it's probably in Remember, the guys without suits have to close their best interest eyes and hold their breath. How are they supposed to waste no time in getting ''him'' in particular back to get into the ship. And of course, Capa giving airlock while doing that? Mace almost dies, if not for Cappa dragging him into the suit to whoever stays behind wouldn't be a smart move, since the whole "wrapped in protective sheets" route would put Capa in way more danger.airlock.
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** It's important to remember that gradual oxygen deprivation plays murder on concentration and forethought, which makes people more impulsive, less rational and less likely to think their actions through, so with a slight cognitive impairment, Capa reverts to a scientist's other most important trait: curiosity. Down in his bones, he needs to ''know'' what he's dealing with before he can just obliterate it with an observation window. And going by the crew's earlier behaviour, they all seem to have a slightly morbid fascination with learning the fate of the first Icarus (Kaneda watches and rewatches Pinbacker's last transmission, Searle meditates on the sun and assesses the crew to figure out what effect it might have had on the first group) so again, Capa's need to understand what happened gets the better of him.
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** It's important to remember that gradual oxygen deprivation plays murder on concentration and forethought, which makes people more impulsive, less rational and less likely to think their actions through, so with through. With a slight cognitive impairment, Capa reverts to a scientist's other most important trait: curiosity. Down in his bones, he needs to ''know'' what he's dealing with before he can just obliterate it with an observation window. And going by the crew's earlier behaviour, they all seem to have a slightly morbid fascination with learning the fate of the first Icarus (Kaneda watches and rewatches Pinbacker's last transmission, Searle meditates on the sun and assesses the crew to figure out what effect it might have had on the first group) so again, Capa's need to understand what happened gets the better of him.
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** “I do not know with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.” -Albert Einstein
*** That quote doesn't really apply in this context, though.
*** That quote doesn't really apply in this context, though.
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* Why didn't they send the mission at night? Would have saved them a lot of grief!
** Not sure what you mean. During Earth's nighttime? Considering that the daytime was below freezing temperatures ''in Australia'', it's entirely possible that nighttime was fatally cold.
*** Pretty sure it's a joke. As in, if they had sent the mission to the sun at night the sun would be "off" and thus all the disastrous dangers would have been avoided.
** Not sure what you mean. During Earth's nighttime? Considering that the daytime was below freezing temperatures ''in Australia'', it's entirely possible that nighttime was fatally cold.
*** Pretty sure it's a joke. As in, if they had sent the mission to the sun at night the sun would be "off" and thus all the disastrous dangers would have been avoided.
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* How is it the Sunshine page lists RobinMcKinley as Britain-based, and the RobinMcKinley page lists it as American-based?
** RobinMcKinley was born in Ohio and now lives in Britain. {{Literature/Sunshine}} seems to be set somewhere in [[FantasyCounterpartCulture Fantasy Counterpart America]]; at least, from the way Sunshine talks about tea and Albion (read: England), it's probably not there.
** RobinMcKinley was born in Ohio and now lives in Britain. {{Literature/Sunshine}} seems to be set somewhere in [[FantasyCounterpartCulture Fantasy Counterpart America]]; at least, from the way Sunshine talks about tea and Albion (read: England), it's probably not there.
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**RobinMcKinley Creator/RobinMcKinley was born in Ohio and now lives in Britain. {{Literature/Sunshine}} seems to be set somewhere in [[FantasyCounterpartCulture Fantasy Counterpart America]]; at least, from the way Sunshine talks about tea and Albion (read: England), it's probably not there.
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* Why didn't one of the ships burn the back of the other one while they were docking? The heat shield of one of the ships goes behind the other and illuminates the back of the other ship with reflected light from the Sun. But seeing as the shield reflects all of the light hitting it then it should have incinerated the other ship.
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** The light did burn the Icarus I, it just didn't destroy it. [[http://i.imgur.com/qKdGTXK.gifv You can see effect]] on the Icarus I of the sunlight being reflected on to it, the metal gets very excited and perhaps it starts to ionize a little, but it doesn't seem to cause structural damage or render it inhospitable. [[http://i.imgur.com/F6fesCT.png You can see it again]] when a part of the Icarus I shield reflects a part of the backside of the Icarus II's shield. Also, nothing reflects all the light hitting it, not even gigantic arrays of photovoltaic mirrors.
** The light did burn the Icarus I, it just didn't destroy it. [[http://i.imgur.com/qKdGTXK.gifv You can see effect]] on the Icarus I of the sunlight being reflected on to it, the metal gets very excited and perhaps it starts to ionize a little, but it doesn't seem to cause structural damage or render it inhospitable. [[http://i.imgur.com/F6fesCT.png You can see it again]] when a part of the Icarus I shield reflects a part of the backside of the Icarus II's shield. Also, nothing reflects all the light hitting it, not even gigantic arrays of photovoltaic mirrors.
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** I'm betting on them not catching him until it was too late.
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** All those things you said that should have prevented the Icarus I disaster can be circumvented. Yes, the other crew should have noticed something amiss, but maybe they didn't. Yes, there were doubtless many batteries of psychological tests done before the mission, but maybe Pinbacker went insane anyway. One of the major themes of the movie is meeting your maker, that is, going to the sun yourself to save it. Who knows what kind of psychological effect that seeing the sun loom larger and larger in an observation window would have? The question of where Pinbacker lived in the 6.5 years on the Icarus I is a good question though. He seems to have a liking for the observation room but that was full of immolating sunlight until the Icarus II arrived...
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*** Pretty sure it's a joke. As in, if they had sent the mission to the sun at night the sun would be "off" and thus all the disastrous dangers would have been avoided.
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* What, exactly, happened to Icarus I's crew? In the story, we know that the Icarus I crew came close to finishing their mission in reigniting the sun, but what happened to them before they did? Pinbacker went mad, yes, but what about the others? Did they just went mad like him and committed group suicide in the observation room together? If so, then why didn't Pinbacker join them? The only possible explanation is that Pinbacker killed them while they were observing the sun. He's the captain, he may have his ways with his crew. Maybe he invited them to watch the sun together like Kaneda invited his crew to watch Mercury transit the sun, but then again, he's the FREAKIN' captain! Why would he has any reason to do that!? He's supposed to be in control of the situation no matter how stressful it is. He's one of the eight (sixteen if you counted Icarus II's crew) highly-trained people handpicked to handle a job of PROTECTING THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE'S FUTURE! He shouldn't let his religious views get in the way, like seeing the sun dying as a message from God that it's our end times. If he went mad during the journey, then at least some of his crews must've notice something wrong, and sedated him like the way Icarus II's crew did with Trey. Either way, something's really wrong with Icarus I's crew if they got this close at finishing their mission but let one man's madness screwed everything up (and almost ruining their backup crew's job to fix up their mess, too).
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* What, exactly, happened to Icarus I's crew?
** In the story, we know that the Icarus I crew came close to finishing their mission in reigniting the sun, but what happened to them before they did? Pinbacker went mad, yes, but what about the others? Did they just went mad like him and committed group suicide in the observation room together? If so, then why didn't Pinbacker join them? The only possible explanation is that Pinbacker killed them while they were observing the sun. He's the captain, he may have his ways with his crew. Maybe he invited them to watch the sun together like Kaneda invited his crew to watch Mercury transit the sun, but then again, he's the FREAKIN' captain! Why would he has any reason to do that!? He's supposed to be in control of the situation no matter how stressful it is. He's one of the eight (sixteen if you counted Icarus II's crew) highly-trained people handpicked to handle a job of PROTECTING THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE'S FUTURE! He shouldn't let his religious views get in the way, like seeing the sun dying as a message from God that it's our end times. If he went mad during the journey, then at least some of his crews must've notice something wrong, and sedated him like the way Icarus II's crew did with Trey. Either way, something's really wrong with Icarus I's crew if they got this close at finishing their mission but let one man's madness screwed everything up (and almost ruining their backup crew's job to fix up their mess, too).
** In the story, we know that the Icarus I crew came close to finishing their mission in reigniting the sun, but what happened to them before they did? Pinbacker went mad, yes, but what about the others? Did they just went mad like him and committed group suicide in the observation room together? If so, then why didn't Pinbacker join them? The only possible explanation is that Pinbacker killed them while they were observing the sun. He's the captain, he may have his ways with his crew. Maybe he invited them to watch the sun together like Kaneda invited his crew to watch Mercury transit the sun, but then again, he's the FREAKIN' captain! Why would he has any reason to do that!? He's supposed to be in control of the situation no matter how stressful it is. He's one of the eight (sixteen if you counted Icarus II's crew) highly-trained people handpicked to handle a job of PROTECTING THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE'S FUTURE! He shouldn't let his religious views get in the way, like seeing the sun dying as a message from God that it's our end times. If he went mad during the journey, then at least some of his crews must've notice something wrong, and sedated him like the way Icarus II's crew did with Trey. Either way, something's really wrong with Icarus I's crew if they got this close at finishing their mission but let one man's madness screwed everything up (and almost ruining their backup crew's job to fix up their mess, too).
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**crew? In the story, we know that the Icarus I crew came close to finishing their mission in reigniting the sun, but what happened to them before they did? Pinbacker went mad, yes, but what about the others? Did they just went mad like him and committed group suicide in the observation room together? If so, then why didn't Pinbacker join them? The only possible explanation is that Pinbacker killed them while they were observing the sun. He's the captain, he may have his ways with his crew. Maybe he invited them to watch the sun together like Kaneda invited his crew to watch Mercury transit the sun, but then again, he's the FREAKIN' captain! Why would he has any reason to do that!? He's supposed to be in control of the situation no matter how stressful it is. He's one of the eight (sixteen if you counted Icarus II's crew) highly-trained people handpicked to handle a job of PROTECTING THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE'S FUTURE! He shouldn't let his religious views get in the way, like seeing the sun dying as a message from God that it's our end times. If he went mad during the journey, then at least some of his crews must've notice something wrong, and sedated him like the way Icarus II's crew did with Trey. Either way, something's really wrong with Icarus I's crew if they got this close at finishing their mission but let one man's madness screwed everything up (and almost ruining their backup crew's job to fix up their mess, too).
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*What, exactly, happened to Icarus I's crew?
**In the story, we know that the Icarus I crew came close to finishing their mission in reigniting the sun, but what happened to them before they did? Pinbacker went mad, yes, but what about the others? Did they just went mad like him and committed group suicide in the observation room together? If so, then why didn't Pinbacker join them? The only possible explanation is that Pinbacker killed them while they were observing the sun. He's the captain, he may have his ways with his crew. Maybe he invited them to watch the sun together like Kaneda invited his crew to watch Mercury transit the sun, but then again, he's the FREAKIN' captain! Why would he has any reason to do that!? He's supposed to be in control of the situation no matter how stressful it is. He's one of the eight (sixteen if you counted Icarus II's crew) highly-trained people handpicked to handle a job of PROTECTING THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE'S FUTURE! He shouldn't let his religious views get in the way, like seeing the sun dying as a message from God that it's our end times. If he went mad during the journey, then at least some of his crews must've notice something wrong, and sedated him like the way Icarus II's crew did with Trey. Either way, something's really wrong with Icarus I's crew if they got this close at finishing their mission but let one man's madness screwed everything up (and almost ruining their backup crew's job to fix up their mess, too).
**In the story, we know that the Icarus I crew came close to finishing their mission in reigniting the sun, but what happened to them before they did? Pinbacker went mad, yes, but what about the others? Did they just went mad like him and committed group suicide in the observation room together? If so, then why didn't Pinbacker join them? The only possible explanation is that Pinbacker killed them while they were observing the sun. He's the captain, he may have his ways with his crew. Maybe he invited them to watch the sun together like Kaneda invited his crew to watch Mercury transit the sun, but then again, he's the FREAKIN' captain! Why would he has any reason to do that!? He's supposed to be in control of the situation no matter how stressful it is. He's one of the eight (sixteen if you counted Icarus II's crew) highly-trained people handpicked to handle a job of PROTECTING THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE'S FUTURE! He shouldn't let his religious views get in the way, like seeing the sun dying as a message from God that it's our end times. If he went mad during the journey, then at least some of his crews must've notice something wrong, and sedated him like the way Icarus II's crew did with Trey. Either way, something's really wrong with Icarus I's crew if they got this close at finishing their mission but let one man's madness screwed everything up (and almost ruining their backup crew's job to fix up their mess, too).
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** Not sure what you mean. During Earth's nighttime? Considering that the daytime was below freezing temperatures ''in Australia'', it's entirely possible that nighttime was fatally cold.
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* Shouldn't having 99.42% of your skin deep fried in sunlight, y'know, kill you in short order? How did he survive however many years it was without medical attention?
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* Shouldn't having 99.42% of your skin deep fried in sunlight, y'know, kill you in short order? How did he Pinbacker survive however many for seven years it was without medical attention?attention? He should have succumbed to shock or infection.
