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** Bizarrely, the season six episode "The Voyager Conspiracy" brings up casually that they'd recently encountered a freighter that had supplies from a former Talaxian colony. That episode explicitly places Voyager a little past the halfway point of 70,000 light years from Federation space. So... It ends up being an inconsistent inconsistency, I guess?
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** Bizarrely, the season six episode "The Voyager Conspiracy" brings up casually that they'd recently encountered a freighter that had supplies from a former Talaxian colony. That episode explicitly places Voyager a little past the halfway point of 70,000 light years from Federation space. So... It ends up being an inconsistent a consistent inconsistency, I guess?
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** Part of the design for the Doctor, for the EMH as a fleet wide program, is that he is a supplementary medical program - there's supposed to be a flesh and blood doctor and medical staff, and he's there as an extra pair of hands in the event of an emergency. In those situations, the actual Chief Medical Officer dictates what every available hand does and who listens to what - in a medical crisis, what the head doctor says goes above all else, and if you're not going to listen to the person they've put in charge of your care because they don't have a proper pip on their collar, I hope you like breathing with a crushed rib cage. Obviously, not the case on Voyager, but that's the state of affairs in a lot of matters.
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** I assumed that meant the maximum they could reasonably sustain. There's no reason to do the math on something that the ship isn't capable of. It's still idealized because they're not actually going to shoot straight through the galaxy without ever stopping, but they're calculating based on the ship being able to run the distance.
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** It's not about how well they'd work together, it's about using resources as efficiently as possible. Doing everything as a three-ship operation means three crews and three ships that can't be used elsewhere. With a ship like the ''Prometheus'', they have the defensive capabilities of three ships, but functionally it's only one ship and one crew tied up on any given assignment; that's two ships that can then be used for other missions or kept on the line for defense.
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*** I always kind of assumed that once they learned their alternate future fate, they concluded it was too dangerous to use the thing again, even in short bursts. They can't guarantee it would behave exactly the same way every time and they don't have time to make any system alteration to make it even the tiniest bit safer, it makes sense that they would decide it wasn't worth the risk.
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** I always assumed it was like a holographic pregnancy simulator, not something actually inside her body. The neural interface made her feel the pregnancy as real, but even when it was turned off, she still had the weight on her body and the holographic fetus kicking her real abdomen.
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*** ''Voyager'' also addressed this in the episode "Worst Case Scenario": basically no matter what the player does the events progress as they would eventually. [[spoiler]]Neelix tried to get Janeway to return to the ship to stop the mutiny but failed. Then the crew was trying to stop holo-Seska from shooting Tuvak and Paris and had to jump through a lot of hoops to do so.[[/spoiler]]
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*** ''Voyager'' also addressed this in the episode "Worst Case Scenario": basically no matter what the player does stories seem to function a bit like the events progress as "Choose Your Own Adventure" type visual novels. They have a general arc they would eventually. [[spoiler]]Neelix tried to get Janeway to return to follow, but players can make choices within them that potentially affect the ship to stop the mutiny but failed. Then the crew was trying to stop holo-Seska from shooting Tuvak and Paris and had to jump through a lot of hoops to do so.[[/spoiler]]outcome.
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** With "Workforce", she might have been memory-altered to match her mother. Presumably it wouldn't be the first time they've taken workers from somewhere they lived with their children (not to mention truly voluntary workers with families), they must have had some procedure for it, and keeping them with their parents would require the least amount of memory alteration.
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** Also consider that Kes hadn't had a lot of experience with...well, much of anything, really. It's possible for her to genuinely care for Neelix and still start to fall out of love with him romantically, or to not be sure if she feels romantic love or just care for a friend. Not normally something she'd break up with him over, but when it was already done and she'd have to take the active step of getting back together, she might have decided she wanted to sort some things out first.
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** Also consider that Kes hadn't had a lot of experience with...well, much of anything, really. It's possible for her to genuinely care for Neelix and still start to fall out of love with him romantically, or to not be sure if she feels romantic love or just care for a friend. Not normally something she'd break up with him over, but when it was already done and she'd have to take the active step of getting back together, she might have decided she wanted to sort some things out first.
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** It seems like his issue was specifically that he felt the Klingon kids were a bad influence. He might have suggested Vulcans just because it's such a hard contrast to Klingons.
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** It seems like his issue was specifically that he felt the Klingon kids were a bad influence. He might have suggested Vulcans just because it's such a hard contrast to Klingons.the farthest thing from Klingons he could think of.
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*** It wasn't that he was engaging in an unrealistic fantasy. As mentioned above, everyone on the crew did that for recreation. The issue is the context. The Doctor wanted to experience a "real" family life, but he ''was'' only engaging in an idyllic, unrealistic fantasy. In real life, family members make decisions others don't agree with, or they engage in sports and get injured, or they bicker, or any of a number of things that are far, far from "idyllic". If the Doctor was simply seeking recreation, she would have shrugged it off if she even had much of an opinion on it to begin with. However, as the issue was that he wanted to experience a "real family" as a way to understand the crew and such, it being unrealistic was a problem.
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*** It wasn't that he was engaging in an unrealistic fantasy. As mentioned above, everyone on the crew did that for recreation. The issue is the context. The Doctor wanted to experience a "real" family life, but he ''was'' only engaging in an idyllic, unrealistic fantasy. In real life, family members make decisions others don't agree with, or they engage in sports and get injured, or they bicker, or any of a number of things that are far, far from "idyllic". If the Doctor was simply seeking recreation, she would have shrugged it off if she even had much of an opinion on it to begin with. However, as the issue was that he wanted to experience a "real family" as a way to understand the crew and such, it being unrealistic was a problem. She offered to make the scenario more realistic, he agreed because that's what he wanted too.
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* Having the doctor see klingons as bad high school friends and vulcans as good high school friends. I can't imagine why anyone would program the doctor with such a racist attitude
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*** Jumping off this, the problem is not that the doctor ''couldn't'' have found a logical reason to come to the same conclusion, but rather that he ''didn't''. It's not about if he made the right or wrong decision, it's about the fact that his choice was guided by something other than pure logic, and that freaked him out.
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**** The problem, though, is not about whether it was the right or wrong choice, it's about how he came to the decision. Absolutely a logical analysis could have led him to the same conclusion, but that wasn't the process he used. What he can't deal with is the idea that he made a decision emotionally and not logically, even if the ultimate outcome (choosing to save Harry) might have been the same. I suspect part of it might also be that he's afraid that if emotion starts creeping into his decision process, it could interfere with his ability to make logical decisions in the future, and potentially cause him to make the ''ir''rational choice.
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**** Jumping off this, the problem is not that the doctor ''couldn't'' have found a logical reason to come to the same conclusion, but rather that he ''didn't''. It's not about if he made the right or wrong decision, it's about the fact that his choice was guided by something other than pure logic, and that freaked him out.
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*** Consider the initial parameters of the mission too. When Janeway picked Harry, it was for a quick, three-week retrieval mission, so letting him have a command position might have seemed like a good way to let him gain experience. If she'd known it was a seven-year mission, she might have picked someone with a little more experience. But once she had him there, it would be a major insult to take him out of that role with no real reason, so that's where he stayed.
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* Along the lines of the previous issue, choosing Paris as the main doctor's assistant has always seemed like an odd decision. His relevant training is two semesters of biochemistry; was there seriously no one on the ship (including all the various ''science'' officers) who'd had a semester or two of biochemistry too? I could understand wanting him to brush up his skills in case of emergency, but now you're asking someone who already has a critical, full-time position to pick up ''another'' one? Not only is that asking a lot of one man, but it's also not an efficient use of resources to have him split his time like that -- it means less time with the chief pilot at the conn, and less time with additional hands in sickbay, than if you had separate people assigned to those roles. It would seem a much better idea to find someone who could give all their time and effort on duty to medical work, and let Tom focus on piloting.
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* Along the lines of the previous issue, choosing Paris as the main doctor's assistant has always seemed like an odd decision. His relevant training is two semesters of biochemistry; was there seriously no one on the ship (including all the various ''science'' officers) who'd had a semester or two of biochemistry too? I could understand wanting him to brush up his skills in case of emergency, but now you're asking someone who already has a critical, full-time position to pick up ''another'' one? Not only is that asking a lot of one man, but it's also not an efficient use of resources to have him split his time like that -- it means less time with the chief pilot at the conn, and less time with additional hands in sickbay, than if you had separate people assigned to those roles. It would seem a much better idea to find someone who could give all their time and effort on duty to medical work, and let Tom focus on piloting.
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* Yeah, I always assumed that was a joke. Chakotay had been saying "Temporal Prime Directive" all evening as a reason he couldn't tell her things, so she turned it back on him. (Also, in the conversation, Future Icheb never actually mentioned the cargo bay, so the idea she got it from there doesn't really make sense even apart from the temporal thing.)
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*** My bigger question was always about "Shattered". Past!Janeway actually has to ask Chakotay if they ever got together. Maybe she's just considering the possibility that her opinions changed over the years, but it also raises the possibility that she wasn't always so committed to that idea.
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**** Agreed with this. Using the Array was a long shot, but it was still a theoretical possibility, and at that point it was probably their best hope. By blowing it up, she destroyed any chance they had of being able to use it. Furthermore, I feel like the more things dragged out in the Delta Quadrant, the more people suffered, it would be easy to forget the statistics/how remote the possibility really was and just lock in mentally on "I destroyed the thing that could have gotten us home and prevented all this".
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* I have a problem with their description of being in orbit. Tuvok stated that the planet rotated 58 times per minute and then later stated they were in a geosynchronous orbit. First, establishing shots of the ship never showed them to be in such orbit. Second, they would have to be orbiting around the planet at the same speed, which was not possible as they were not traveling that fast heading to the planet. There is also a problem with the scenes of the sky from below. A day would be less than 30 seconds, meaning the first inhabitants shown outside should have gone through a full day or two in that conversation. The same thing at the end with Gotana Retz at the end. He is watching the night sky with a fairly static starfield instead of a darkening and lightening of the sky due to the quickness of the day/night cycle.
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* The whole "The Doctor's line of EMHs was a failure" subplot just bugs the hell out of me. The reason The Doctor's line is considered a failure by Starfleet? ''Their bedside manner was lousy.'' Ummm... doesn't EMH stand for the ''Emergency'' Medical Hologram? Only meant to be used at all in the worst situations, where people really should be more concerned with ''staying alive'' than hurt feelings or bruised egos? Sure it would be something to improve on, but declaring the whole line useless just for that makes Starfleet look like a bunch of whimpering babies. It's especially bad when you consider that The Doctor's bedside manner is no worse than a lot of the human doctors we've seen, and the so-called "improvement", the Mark II, is even ''more'' obnoxious than The Doctor ever was.
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** I think the better question might be "why does Starfleet have such a ridiculously high turnover rate on the EMHs in just seven years?" The initial problem is the Mark 1's personality? Okay, so it was rotated out and replaced by the Mark II after four years. TWO years later, they're apparently on the EMH Mark '''IV.''' Even if we assume the Mark III or Mark IV was an active prototype of Zimmerman's Long-term Medical Hologram from [=DS9=], we have Starfleet going through EMH models at a rate of two different models every three years. Why does the whole program need to be replaced if the problem is the personality?
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As I understand it, military doctors receive a rank so as to give them authority to order folks around during relevant events so they can perform their jobs. Why, then, does the Doctor have no (apparent) rank? He wears no rank insignia, suggesting Starfleet's lowest rank of "crewman", and as such would have minimal authority. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to give him at least Warrant Officer rank - denoting a field specialist in medicine granting him authority without being in the chain of command? At the very least, it could help distinguish him as a hologram than another Starfleet Officer rather than having to rely on "Oh, he looks like Lewis Zimmerman" as identification. This isn't as much about "The EMH isn't a person" as it is "How can the EMH perform its duties within Starfleet regulations?"
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As I understand it, military doctors receive a rank so as to give them authority to order folks around during relevant events so they can perform their jobs. Why, then, does the Doctor have no (apparent) rank? He wears no rank insignia, suggesting Starfleet's lowest rank of "crewman", and as such would have minimal authority. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to give him at least Warrant Officer rank - denoting a field specialist in medicine granting him authority without being in the chain of command? At the very least, it could help distinguish him as a hologram than another Starfleet Officer rather than having to rely on "Oh, he looks like Lewis Zimmerman" as identification. This isn't as much about "The EMH isn't a person" as it is "How can the EMH perform its duties within Starfleet regulations?"
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** It's probably the kind of exception that would be classified under "humanitarian exceptions," if medical intervention is necessary to maintain pregnancy viability and/or health of the infant, it's considered legally different from "enhancing" an infant so that they have superhuman abilities. If it's done to give the fetus the same chances as any other, that's one thing, while the genetic enhancements that Bashir or the Jack Pack received were not only done on children, instead of fetuses, but also done with the expectation that the results would make the children superior to "stock" humanity.
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*** Sheer bloody-minded toughness. I'm not even kidding, EU stuff of the Undine (Species 8472) says that they make Klingons look like weekend warriors in their obsession with strength. Keeping in mind their biology is hardy enough and adaptive enough to shrug off Borg nanoprobes like they were a particularly weak cold virus, their organic ships probably go "Oh, hey, that's a bit uncomfortable. (weird technorganic equivalent of a shrug) There that's better." in the transition.
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*** Also somewhat cheapens the issue if you point out "lol you can't resign we own you".
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* In the episode ''Someone To Watch Over Me'' the Doctor states that Species 8472 has five sexes. First off, how does he even know that? But secondly and more importantly, is that even remotely likely? It just seems completely contrary to evolution that a creature would have to mate with four others in order to reproduce.
** Does it all follow that all five are necessary in every instance of reproduction? Maybe some of them can only interbreed with certain of the others.
** Or some are hermaphrodites, the five sexes do not have to be involved all of them in reproduction.
** Alternately, the "sexes" are more like fungal "mating types": each individual can conceive with a partner from any of the other four types, just not one of its own "sex".
** As to why the Doctor would know this, subsequent to "In the Flesh" it's reasonable to think he would have basic medical data on Species 8472.
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