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11th Jun '16 9:19:03 PM GoblinCipher
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** The computer is notoriously finnekey about how people order food and beverage items. So quite possibly breaking down the description in this way is Picard's was of ensuring he gets his tea ''exactly'' the way he likes it. Or perhaps he had to do it the first time and just got used to it. Imagine if you will:

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** The computer is notoriously finnekey finicky about how people order food and beverage items. So quite possibly breaking down the description in this way is Picard's was of ensuring he gets his tea ''exactly'' the way he likes it. Or perhaps he had to do it the first time and just got used to it. Imagine if you will:
5th Jun '16 8:53:08 PM thespecialneedsgroup
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** You've got that slightly wrong. The apprehension in ''Encounter at Farpoint'' wasn't because reconnecting the two hulls was particularly dangerous under normal circumstances, it was because it was being done without computer assistance. Picard was testing his new first officer by ordering him to direct a precision maneuver that's usually mostly-automated. In fact, Picard rather dickishly dismissed it as "routine." Also, ''Enterprise'''s biggest shuttlebay is on the saucer section of the ship directly below the bridge. This is canonically established in both the master systems display in engineering, and in the episode ''Cause and Effect'' when they vent shuttlebay one's atmosphere to avoid an imminent collision with another starship. The shuttlebays located between the warp nacelles are shuttlebays two and three, which are ''much'' smaller than shuttlebay one. There's also supposed to be a single, aft-facing photon torpedo launcher on the saucer section that's normally covered by the neck of the stardrive section when docked, but that comes from background material, and I don't remember anything on-screen that even hints its existence; so whether or not it's really there is there is debatable.
5th Jun '16 9:09:54 AM thatsnumberwang
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* In the early days at least it was considered extremely risky to separate the ship. It was an emergency procedure, nothing more. Look at how scared everyone is (even EarlyInstallmentWeirdness Data) in ''Encounter at Farpoint'' when they re-attach the ship; there appears to be a genuine risk of the saucer crashing into the stardrive (and the warp core within). Note that we do not actually see the parts coming back together in ''Best of Both Worlds'' or in Star Trek Generations so there is no actual evidence to my knowledge that this has changed a great deal. The emphasis this perhaps is the fact that the saucer doesn't seem to have any photon torpedoes and the shuttle bay appears to be somewhere between the nacelles; combined with the lack of warp drive means that the saucer is rather vulnerable to attack when left on its own.

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* In the early days at least it was considered extremely risky to separate the ship. It was an emergency procedure, nothing more. Look at how scared everyone is (even EarlyInstallmentWeirdness Data) in ''Encounter at Farpoint'' when they re-attach the ship; there appears to be a genuine risk of the saucer crashing into the stardrive (and the warp core within). Note that we do not actually see the parts coming back together in ''Best of Both Worlds'' or in Star Trek Generations so there is no actual evidence to my knowledge that this has changed a great deal. The emphasis emphasize this perhaps is the fact that the saucer doesn't seem to have any photon torpedoes and the shuttle bay appears to be somewhere between the nacelles; combined with the lack of warp drive means that the saucer is rather vulnerable to attack when left on its own.
5th Jun '16 9:07:49 AM thatsnumberwang
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* In the early days at least it was considered extremely risky to separate the ship. It was an emergency procedure, nothing more. Look at how scared everyone is (even EarlyInstallmentWeirdness Data) in ''Encounter at Farpoint'' when they re-attach the ship; there appears to be a genuine risk of the saucer crashing into the stardrive (and the warp core within). Note that we do not actually see the parts coming back together in ''Best of Both Worlds'' or in Star Trek Generations so there is no actual evidence to my knowledge that this has changed a great deal. The emphasis this perhaps is the fact that the saucer doesn't seem to have any photon torpedoes and the shuttle bay appears to be somewhere between the nacelles; combined with the lack of warp drive means that the saucer is rather vulnerable to attack when left on its own.
5th Jun '16 8:34:24 AM thatsnumberwang
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* A lot of the problems with lip-syncing in regards to the UT vanish if you start to think of it as more like the way the TARDIS in Doctor Who translates languages. In that show the TARDIS gets inside your head and essentially re-writes what you are see and hear. Now admittedly the Time Lords are at least three above the Federation on the Kardashev scale, but even so, we do know that they have fairly sophisticated neural interface technology so it is by no means impossible given the on-screen evidence. Plus to my knowledge, the first UT we see in canon (that is not a result of time travel) is either the one used by the Vulcans in ''First Contact'' as they were talking English to Cochrane, or the one used by the Vulcans in ''Carbon Creek'' back in the 1950s assuming T'Pol's story was not a lie. And the Vulcans are experts at interfacing with the mind. Remember the Stone of Gol? A handheld neural resonator (which if the bragging of the woman concerned is to be believed) can fight whole armies?
5th Jun '16 8:04:40 AM thatsnumberwang
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* Star Trek in general is the poster child for either forgetting technology, not using the technology they have, or manufacturing technology that is worse than it should be. Even taking that into account though, did no one at all think that reverse engineering the drone weapons system seen the ''The Arsenal of Freedom'' had any merit? Yeah, OK; the original system accidentally wiped out the inhabitants of a planet. But how about neutering the AI and merely using the analysis software that is capable of adapting to fight any enemy? Or just piloting them by remote control? Or using the off-switch? (which is a major plot hole in the episode considering the original designers of the system apparently forgot about it). In other words we are talking about a system capable of adapting to the the point that a drone the size of a grown man's torso can destroy a Galaxy-class starship (i.e. one of the most powerful starships in the galaxy) without barely breaking a sweat, so clearly it could have grown a lot more powerful than that. Seems like it could have been very useful against the adapting capabilities of a Borg Cube or the armies of Dominion fighters that were initially slicing through the Fed's shields like warm butter.
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3rd Jun '16 10:27:15 AM NewVirginiaCreeper
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*** True, but rather a separate issue, since the show itself treats Vic's as a PoliticallyCorrectHistory representation. They probably should have set it a few years earlier.
2nd Jun '16 10:12:07 AM SteveMB
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*** Actually, it makes historical sense that Vic Fontaine's establishment wouldn't discriminate -- the character was obviously based on the Frank Sinatra & Company "Rat Pack", who refused to perform in any establishment where their friend Sammy Davis Jr. was not welcome.
2nd Jun '16 9:19:26 AM SteveMB
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*** DATA: It sounds intriguing. RIKER: How will you proceed? MADDOX: I will run a full diagnostic on Data, evaluating the condition of its current software. I will then dump its core memory into the starbase mainframe computer and begin a detailed analysis of its construction. DATA: You've constructed a positronic brain? MADDOX: Yes. DATA: Have you determined how the electron resistance across the neural filaments is to be resolved? MADDOX: Not precisely. DATA: That would seem to be a necessary first step. MADDOX: I am confident that I will find the answer once I examine the filament links in your anterior cortex. DATA: But if the answer is not forthcoming, your model will not function. MADDOX: I do not anticipate any problems. RIKER: You seem a little vague on the specifics. PICARD: What are the risks to Commander Data? MADDOX: Negligible. DATA: Captain, I believe his basic research lacks the specifics necessary to support an experiment of this magnitude.(after the ruling) DATA: I formally refuse to undergo your procedure. MADDOX: I will cancel that transfer order. DATA: Thank you. And, Commander, continue your work. When you are ready, I will still be here. I find some of what you propose intriguing.

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*** DATA: --->'''Data:''' It sounds intriguing. RIKER: intriguing.\\
'''Riker:'''
How will you proceed? MADDOX: proceed?\\
'''Maddox:'''
I will run a full diagnostic on Data, evaluating the condition of its current software. I will then dump its core memory into the starbase mainframe computer and begin a detailed analysis of its construction. DATA: \\
'''Data:'''
You've constructed a positronic brain? MADDOX: Yes. DATA: brain?\\
'''Maddox:''' Yes.\\
'''Data:'''
Have you determined how the electron resistance across the neural filaments is to be resolved? MADDOX: resolved?\\
'''Maddox:'''
Not precisely. DATA: precisely.\\
'''Data:'''
That would seem to be a necessary first step. MADDOX: step.\\
'''Maddox:'''
I am confident that I will find the answer once I examine the filament links in your anterior cortex. DATA: cortex.\\
'''Data:'''
But if the answer is not forthcoming, your model will not function. MADDOX: function.\\
'''Maddox:'''
I do not anticipate any problems. RIKER: problems.\\
'''Riker:'''
You seem a little vague on the specifics. PICARD: specifics.\\
'''Picard:'''
What are the risks to Commander Data? MADDOX: Negligible. DATA: Data?\\
'''Maddox:''' Negligible.\\
'''Data:'''
Captain, I believe his basic research lacks the specifics necessary to support an experiment of this magnitude.(after \\
''(after
the ruling) DATA: ruling)''\\
'''Data:'''
I formally refuse to undergo your procedure. MADDOX: procedure.\\
'''Maddox:'''
I will cancel that transfer order. DATA: order.\\
'''Data:'''
Thank you. And, Commander, continue your work. When you are ready, I will still be here. I find some of what you propose intriguing.
2nd Jun '16 8:32:42 AM SteveMB
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* Is it really significant that the computer doesn't identify itself as an entity distinct from the ship? Humans do essentially the same thing (referring to "me" rather than "my brain" or "my mind") all the time.
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