History Headscratchers / StartrekTheNextGeneration

28th Jan '16 8:55:36 PM omegafire17
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** You seem to forget that they were in no immediate external situation, and thus had shields ''down'' when the first shots hit (which also allowed the the Ferengi to beam over in the first place). And as we've seen in Generations, even decades-older ships still pack enormous power if they hit a starship's bare hull - this in addition to the threat of a weapon trained on their fellow crew-members, means no one was willing to risk lives (better to wait and get control of your captives later, than do anything hasty and get casualties)... by all means too, the Ferengi watched everything closely, so on one could get to their weapons anyway. Still a stretch, but reasonable enough.
28th Dec '15 2:08:34 AM Dgon
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** Actually something similar happens in RealLife; the Mapudungun, the language of the Mapuche indians in Chile; its grammar is very alien and one single word can only be translated as entire phrases in English or Spanish, and those phrases can only be an approximate because the language is heavily influenced by the Mapuche lore and mythology. Or take the piraha tribe in Amazonia for example, they have no math, they can’t count more than three, the concept is to foreign for them because they instead of numbers only have words for “many” and “few”. They also have no names for colors, only words for “dark” and “light”, this has make very difficult for them to learn other languages. So the TNG example may be to exaggerated but is clearly not at all implausible, we have similar situations in real life.
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** Actually something similar happens in RealLife; the Mapudungun, the language of the Mapuche indians in Chile; its grammar is very alien and one single word can only be translated as entire phrases in English or Spanish, and those phrases can only be an approximate because the language is heavily influenced by the Mapuche lore and mythology. Or take the piraha tribe in Amazonia for example, they have no math, they can’t count more than three, the concept is to foreign for them because they instead of numbers only have words for “many” and “few”. They also have no names for colors, only words for “dark” and “light”, this has make very difficult for them to learn other languages. So the TNG example may be to too exaggerated but is clearly not at all implausible, we have similar situations in real life.
28th Dec '15 2:06:12 AM Dgon
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** Actually something similar happens in RealLife; the Mapudungun, the language of the Mapuche indians in Chile; its grammar is very alien and one single word can only be translated as entire phrases in English or Spanish, and those phrases can only be an approximate because the language is heavily influenced by the Mapuche lore and mythology. Or take the piraha tribe in Amazonia for example, they have no math, they can’t count more than three, the concept is to foreign for them because they instead of numbers only have words for “many” and “few”. They also have no names for colors, only words for “dark” and “light”, this has make very difficult for them to learn other languages. So the TNG example may be to exaggerated but is clearly not at all implausible, we have similar situations in real life.
25th Dec '15 8:33:29 PM Luppercus
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****Then translation convenience applies, like when we see him speaking with his family in France (obviously they’re speaking French) or when Worf talks to other Klingons or Troi with her mother, in none of those circumstances are they speaking English.
20th Dec '15 3:39:12 AM thatsnumberwang
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*** The UT is integrated into the comm badge and as a passive system on Federation starships and facilities. That is probably also true of aliens with equal technology. If he was speaking French, then we wouldn't be able to understand him when he clearly doesn't have access to such things.
19th Dec '15 6:45:50 PM Luppercus
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***Isn’t he using the Universal Translator anyway? As far as we know he is speaking French.
19th Dec '15 6:41:58 PM Luppercus
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* Spock is still alive in the time of TNG (Scotty too but they don’t know that and he is officially considered dead) so let’s suppose that all the members of the original TOS crew are (in some cases recently) dead for that moment, except Spock, so it makes sense it’s call the next generation, because the old generation was still alive until a few years before. Yes, Spock is alive, but Spock was an ambassador for that point and not a Starfleet official.
19th Dec '15 6:35:30 PM Luppercus
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*****Or becoming spiders, I’m not a scientist but I think we don’t have any spider ancestor. At least reptiles and mammals have common ancestors.
19th Dec '15 6:18:01 PM Luppercus
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* Maybe a far-fetched comparison but, let’s say that the Federation is like the European Union and the Klingons like Russia and I guess the Romulans can be China. Why? Well the Federation seems to be a parliamentary system (the president is elected by the Council that is like a parliament) and their policy is very similar to the EU; members retaining a lot of internal autonomy but with a somewhat central government that establish certain regulations, as for example no member of the EU can have death penalty, as similar no member of the Federation can have a caste system (according to Sisko), and so on, they also are more based on democracy, human rights and peaceful cooperation (yes the EU sometimes is hypocritical about it, but also is the Federation). So, even when the EU has some very powerful members that are powers on their own, like Germany and France (the Federation’s equivalents to Earth and Vulcan), but the question is; if the EU and Russia go to war, can the EU really stands a chance? Or what about a war with China? They’ll be even at best. So kind of the problem is to think that the Federation is the United States, it is not, it is more like the European Union of the Galaxy. So we can see how in real life one single country like the USA, Russia and China can defeat relatively easily a group of countries just because they have more military power at hand, so the whole debate is wether the Klingon and the Romulans, alone, can be a match for 150 planets; well yes, can Russia win over the whole African Union? Well, probably.
19th Dec '15 5:58:25 PM Luppercus
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* I think some people forget what the Primer Directive really it’s about; it prevents interfering with the '''natural''' development of an alien race. That’s why it doesn’t apply to human colonies, the interference was already done when they left Earth, the Federation’s intervention it not illegal because they are human. People tend to think that the intervention is something like if Russia attacks Georgia then the US can’t intervene, when is more like if there is a tribe living in the Amazonian jungle that beheads people for infidelity they can’t intervene. With that in mind, then why to choose some colonies to intervene and some not, probably more an issue of resources, it’s not the same to take a few dozens of unhappy settlers in a mostly pacific world than to intervene in what it’s basically a war zone suffering probably many casualties in a very expensive process.
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* I think some people forget what the Primer Directive really it’s about; it prevents interfering with the '''natural''' development of an alien race. That’s why it doesn’t apply to human colonies, the interference was already done when they left Earth, the Federation’s intervention it not illegal because they are human. People tend to think that the intervention is something like if Russia attacks Georgia then the US can’t intervene, when is more like if there is a tribe living in the Amazonian jungle that beheads people for infidelity they can’t intervene. \\\ With that in mind, then why to choose some colonies to intervene and some not, probably more an issue of resources, it’s not the same to take a few dozens of unhappy settlers in a mostly pacific world than to intervene in what it’s basically a war zone suffering probably many casualties in a very expensive process.

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****First, from where do you take the idea that the Federation is at the same level than the Klingon Empire? We have seen in at least two occasions that the Klingon Empire can kick the Federation’s ass, one in the parallel universe when the Khitomer Accords never happened and Tasha Yar didn’t died, Picard says explicitly that the Federation is losing the war, and then in Deep Space Nine when the Federation and the Klingon are in war, when it’s clear that the Federation is in a precarious situation. If the Klingon didn’t suffer from the destruction of their moon and some other political and economical changes, they wouldn’t made peace with the Federation. Regarding the Romulans and the Cardassians, yes the Federation seems to be more powerful, especially with the Klingon’s aid (let’s not forget that the Klingon were also enemies of both Romulans and Cardassians making even easier the alliance with the Feds). \\\ Besides that, we should remember that even when the Federation is the combination of more than a hundred worlds, most of this worlds are very peaceful and not really a military treat to anyone if they won’t be members. Probably the four founding members; Humans, Vulcans, Andorians and Tellarites, could be powers in their own right, but what about the Betazoids or the Bolians or the Benzites? Clearly most of the Federation member’s are something like the “third world” of the Galaxy joining the Federation for protection, especially from the big bad powers around, a little bit like the Non-Aligned Countries Movement.
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