History Headscratchers / StartrekTheNextGeneration

29th Aug '16 1:06:54 PM ShorinBJ
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-->'''Picard:''' Absolutely! Just like that Jono situation would have been. But nevertheless, I am assigning ''you'' because I think it will be good for your personal development and educational for them. Ka'plagh Counselor!

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-->'''Picard:''' Absolutely! Just like that Jono situation would have been. But nevertheless, I am assigning ''you'' because I think it will be good for your personal development and educational for them. Ka'plagh Qapla', Counselor!



** A simple throwaway line that the poison had already gotten pass the leg would have solved the issue, but they didn't for no apparent reason. Also, having Riker with a prosthetic for the rest of the series wouldn't even have been necessary, maybe for the episode, but since 24th century medical technology apparently has the ability to saw off limbs and reattach them fairly easily, (hell, we can do it right now, but with some uncertainty still in it) they could have just cut off the leg, killed the virus, reattached it, done. Riker goes about his business and doesn't have a torturous nightmare.

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** A simple throwaway line that the poison had already gotten pass past the leg would have solved the issue, but they didn't for no apparent reason. Also, having Riker with a prosthetic for the rest of the series wouldn't even have been necessary, maybe for the episode, but since 24th century medical technology apparently has the ability to saw off limbs and reattach them fairly easily, (hell, we can do it right now, but with some uncertainty still in it) they could have just cut off the leg, killed the virus, reattached it, done. Riker goes about his business and doesn't have a torturous nightmare.nightmare.
** And really, you'd think growing new limbs would be something they could do. Stem cell research might be decades away from making it happen, but it's likely to be possible within the next century, let alone three centuries.


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*** We do have reptile ancestors, though that's waaaaaay back, over 200 million years ago. It's incredibly implausible that enough DNA from back then exists in a cat's genome to turn it into an iguana. And no, we have no direct relationship to spiders. The writers really failed hard at biology on this one.
22nd Aug '16 3:31:59 PM NewVirginiaCreeper
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** "A Fistful of Datas" is perhaps even more egregious, since the holodeck malfunctioning seems to be accompanied by communication failing for no obvious reason. But this has to happen, because otherwise they can ask for a beamout and call it a day.[[/folder]]

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** "A Fistful of Datas" is perhaps even more egregious, since the holodeck malfunctioning seems to be accompanied by communication failing for no obvious reason. But this has to happen, because otherwise they can ask for a beamout beam-out and call it a day.[[/folder]]
9th Aug '16 3:14:23 PM NewVirginiaCreeper
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* Maybe a far-fetched comparison but, letís say that the Federation is like the European Union and the Klingons like Russia and I guess the Romulans can be China. Why? Well the Federation seems to be a parliamentary system (the president is elected by the Council that is like a parliament) and their policy is very similar to the EU; members retaining a lot of internal autonomy but with a somewhat central government that establish certain regulations, as for example no member of the EU can have death penalty, as similar no member of the Federation can have a caste system (according to Sisko), and so on, they also are more based on democracy, human rights and peaceful cooperation (yes the EU sometimes is hypocritical about it, but also is the Federation). So, even when the EU has some very powerful members that are powers on their own, like Germany and France (the Federationís equivalents to Earth and Vulcan), but the question is; if the EU and Russia go to war, can the EU really stands a chance? Or what about a war with China? Theyíll be even at best. So kind of the problem is to think that the Federation is the United States, it is not, it is more like the European Union of the Galaxy. So we can see how in real life one single country like the USA, Russia and China can defeat relatively easily a group of countries just because they have more military power at hand, so the whole debate is wether the Klingon and the Romulans, alone, can be a match for 150 planets; well yes, can Russia win over the whole African Union? Well, probably.

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* Maybe a far-fetched comparison but, letís say that the Federation is like the European Union and the Klingons like Russia and I guess the Romulans can be China. Why? Well the Federation seems to be a parliamentary system (the president is elected by the Council that is like a parliament) and their policy is very similar to the EU; members retaining a lot of internal autonomy but with a somewhat central government that establish certain regulations, as for example no member of the EU can have death penalty, as similar no member of the Federation can have a caste system (according to Sisko), and so on, they also are more based on democracy, human rights and peaceful cooperation (yes the EU sometimes is hypocritical about it, but also is the Federation). So, even when the EU has some very powerful members that are powers on their own, like Germany and France (the Federationís equivalents to Earth and Vulcan), but the question is; if the EU and Russia go to war, can the EU really stands a chance? Or what about a war with China? Theyíll They’ll be even at best. So kind of the problem is to think that the Federation is the United States, it is not, it is more like the European Union of the Galaxy. So we can see how in real life one single country like the USA, Russia and China can defeat relatively easily a group of countries just because they have more military power at hand, so the whole debate is wether the Klingon and the Romulans, alone, can be a match for 150 planets; well yes, can Russia win over the whole African Union? Well, probably.



** They surely could have, but the fact that they didn't seems meaningful. The Tamarians motivations are not fully knowable, but we can guess that, from their perspective, the tests needs to be one of life and death to be meaningful. These stories from their history that structure their language are more than just stories to them: they need to be reenacted. In a sense, it's not so different from "Liaisons," in which the aliens also wreck havoc on Picard because of a radically different sense of what constitutes a fair test.

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** They surely could have, but the fact that they didn't seems meaningful.significant. The Tamarians motivations are not fully knowable, but we can guess that, from their perspective, the tests needs to be one of life and death to be meaningful. These stories from their history that structure their language are more than just stories to them: they need to be reenacted. In a sense, it's not so different from "Liaisons," in which the aliens also wreck havoc on Picard because of a radically different sense of what constitutes a fair test.
6th Aug '16 1:44:38 PM inspibrain101
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** And who's to say they haven't? After the first five times something like this occurred, who's to say that Picard didn't meet with Geordi and Riker to come up with some sort of safeguard...
27th Jul '16 4:06:17 PM NewVirginiaCreeper
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** "A Fistful of Datas" is perhaps even more egregious, since the holodeck malfunctioning seems to be accompanied by communication failing for no obvious reason. But this has to happen, because otherwise they can ask for a beamout and call it a day.[[/folder]]
27th Jul '16 10:14:20 AM DiamondWeapon
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**** Maybe some did. We wouldn't have heard about it, since Wesley was the only kid on the regular cast.
27th Jul '16 9:04:21 AM DiamondWeapon
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*** The experience is treated only as a problem to be solved, rather than the incredible scientific breakthrough is should be. Seems implausible that the characters all wanted to be old again, not just old enough to crew a starship but as old as they were before, and that nobody else wanted to be young again either. StatusQuoIsGod, blatantly so.


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** Apparently, the captain looking like a teenager is weird enough that the crew won't take orders from him. A crew that runs into all kinds of weirdness in every episode.
27th Jul '16 2:44:27 AM thespecialneedsgroup
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** You've got that slightly wrong. The apprehension in ''Encounter at Farpoint'' wasn't because reconnecting the two hulls was particularly dangerous under normal circumstances, it was because it was being done without computer assistance. Picard was testing his new first officer by ordering him to direct a precision maneuver that's usually mostly-automated. In fact, Picard rather dickishly dismissed it as "routine." Also, ''Enterprise'''s biggest shuttlebay is on the saucer section of the ship directly below the bridge. This is canonically established in both the master systems display in engineering, and in the episode ''Cause and Effect'' when they vent shuttlebay one's atmosphere to avoid an imminent collision with another starship. The shuttlebays located between the warp nacelles are shuttlebays two and three, which are ''much'' smaller than shuttlebay one. There's also supposed to be a single, aft-facing photon torpedo launcher on the saucer section that's normally covered by the neck of the stardrive section when docked, but that comes from background material, and I don't remember anything on-screen that even hints its existence; so whether or not it's really there is there is debatable.

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** You've got that slightly wrong. The apprehension in ''Encounter at Farpoint'' wasn't because reconnecting the two hulls was particularly dangerous under normal circumstances, it was because it was being done without computer assistance. Picard was testing his new first officer by ordering him to direct a precision maneuver that's usually mostly-automated. It's analogous to a 747 pilot on approach to a runway in low visibility conditions deciding to turn off his instruments and land manually. He can probably do it without any problems, but you really don't want him to try unless it's absolutely necessary. In fact, Picard rather dickishly dismissed it as "routine." Also, ''Enterprise'''s biggest shuttlebay is on the saucer section of the ship directly below the bridge. This is canonically established in both the master systems display in engineering, and in the episode ''Cause and Effect'' when they vent shuttlebay one's atmosphere to avoid an imminent collision with another starship. The shuttlebays located between the warp nacelles are shuttlebays two and three, which are ''much'' smaller than shuttlebay one. There's also supposed to be a single, aft-facing photon torpedo launcher on the saucer section that's normally covered by the neck of the stardrive section when docked, but that comes from background material, and I don't remember anything on-screen that even hints its existence; so whether or not it's really there is there is debatable.
26th Jul '16 9:43:34 PM ShorinBJ
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* In "Where Silence Has Lease," a godlike being mentions noticing a difference between males and females. And Pulaski ''freaks out.'' Wh




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* In "Where Silence Has Lease," a godlike being mentions noticing a difference between males and females. And Pulaski ''freaks out.'' WTF? Is she some kind of super-prude?

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26th Jul '16 9:31:52 PM ShorinBJ
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** Yes, it should be harder. RuleOfDrama is in play. Presumably, Starfleet personel evaded security precautions, but explanations are omitted. It's been done [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shawn_Nelson in real life]]

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** Yes, it should be harder. RuleOfDrama is in play. Presumably, Starfleet personel personnel evaded security precautions, but explanations are omitted. It's been done [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shawn_Nelson in real life]]


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** For all the computer knows, the missing person is supposed to be gone. You can imagine it's a big headache keeping track of who's supposed to be on board. For the computer to be able to notice there's a problem, they'd have to log it every time someone left the ship.
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