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*Alot of the wounded shown are missing limbs especially their legs (obviously from getting cut off from the warrior bugs mandibles) but here's the thing I don't get wouldnt they bleed to death from when they got attacked and had their leg cut off.
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** I always thought that the answer was pretty simple: UNTIL he has fully regenerated, for all intent puprposes (and RuleOfDrama), he is KIA. The doctors don't know if he'll survive regeneration or not, so they list him as KIA, [[BotheringByTheBook just in case]].

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** I always thought that the answer was pretty simple: UNTIL he has fully regenerated, for all intent puprposes and purposes (and RuleOfDrama), he is KIA. The doctors don't know if he'll survive regeneration or not, so they list him as KIA, [[BotheringByTheBook just in case]].
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** I always thought that the answer was pretty simple: UNTIL he has fully regenerated, for all puprooses (and RuleOfDrama), he is KIA. The doctors don't know if he'll survive regeneration or not, so they list him as KIA, [[BotheringByTheBook just in case]].

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** I always thought that the answer was pretty simple: UNTIL he has fully regenerated, for all puprooses intent puprposes (and RuleOfDrama), he is KIA. The doctors don't know if he'll survive regeneration or not, so they list him as KIA, [[BotheringByTheBook just in case]].
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** I always thought that the answer was pretty simple: UNTIL he has fully regenerated, for all puprooses (and RuleOfDrama), he is KIA. The doctors don't know if he'll survive regeneeation or not, so they list him as KIA, [[BotheringByTheBook just in case]].

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** I always thought that the answer was pretty simple: UNTIL he has fully regenerated, for all puprooses (and RuleOfDrama), he is KIA. The doctors don't know if he'll survive regeneeation regeneration or not, so they list him as KIA, [[BotheringByTheBook just in case]].
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** I always thought that the answer was pretty simple: UNTIL he has fully regenerated, for all puprooses (and RuleOfDrama), he is KIA. The doctors don't know if he'll survive regeneeation or not, so they list him as KIA, [[BotheringByTheBook just in case]].
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*** There's definitely witnesses. Rico being seriously wounded and left behind was literally caught on camera.
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** She might also have quit in shame and guilt, but the movie isn't clear on that.

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** She might also have quit in shame and guilt, but the movie isn't clear on that.that.
** This was one of the scenes that they tried to shoehorn in from the book. In the book, Rico was whipped for "in simulated combat, gross negligence which would in action have caused the death of a teammate." In simpler terms, he didn't do an adequate check to ensure that the big explosion he was about to cause wasn't going to kill any of his men before setting off the weapon. In the book, he acknowledges that he knew it wasn't textbook, but he was in a rush to fire the shot.
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*why did Zander give the knife to Carmen when he could've cutted off the Brain Bugs proboscis instead of getting his brain sucked out.
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*** Carman had no way of knowing the asteroid would be there. And considering that they didn't notice it till it was right on top of them and no one else saw it till it struck Earth they probably wouldn't have noticed it if they'd continued on their first course.

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*** Carman Carmen had no way of knowing the asteroid would be there. And considering that they didn't notice it till it was right on top of them and no one else saw it till it struck Earth they probably wouldn't have noticed it if they'd continued on their first course.




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** Having just watched the scene, the asteroid is very irregularly shaped and rotating. Zander may have been waiting to fire the thrusters for when he saw an opening the ship could get through. The ship had largely cleared the asteroid, the communications array got shaved off by a random outcropping.




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** The propaganda reel says the asteroid was "shot out of orbit" by ''plasma'' that was fired from Klendathu. The asteroid might have been in the Solar System's asteroid belt, and bug plasma could go FTL.
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** The trooper who shot the guy seems to have been immediately kicked out. Rico probably was lined up for the same. He ''was'' in charge, and confessed to ordering the removal of the helmet. He only got whipped because Zim said he might be redeemable.

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** The trooper who shot the guy seems to have been immediately kicked out. Rico probably was lined up for the same. He ''was'' in charge, and confessed to ordering the removal of the helmet. He only got whipped because Zim said he might be redeemable.redeemable.
** She might also have quit in shame and guilt, but the movie isn't clear on that.
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** A. Rico was the one in charge. He is responsible for his squad's safety. He is the one who told a trooper to remove his protective helmet during an exercise where live ammunition is being used, which is stupid and negligent. It's like a coach ordering his quarterback to take his helmet off in the middle of a play. B. The person who fired the shot fell over and fired by accident. She clearly didn't do it on purpose, while Rico's actions were deliberate. As for it being unsafe, the ''entire exercise'' was ludicrously and completely unsafe to anyone with even a basic knowledge of the four safety rules for guns. If anything, the trooper getting shot is the inevitable consequence of the complete incompetence of everyone who designed that exercise.

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** A. Rico was the one in charge. He is responsible for his squad's safety. He is the one who told a trooper to remove his protective helmet during an exercise where live ammunition is being used, which is stupid and negligent. It's like a coach ordering his quarterback to take his helmet off in the middle of a play. B. The person who fired the shot fell over and fired by accident. She clearly didn't do it on purpose, while Rico's actions were deliberate. As for it being unsafe, the ''entire exercise'' was ludicrously and completely unsafe to anyone with even a basic knowledge of the four safety rules for guns. If anything, the trooper getting shot is the inevitable consequence of the complete incompetence of everyone who designed that exercise.exercise.
** The trooper who shot the guy seems to have been immediately kicked out. Rico probably was lined up for the same. He ''was'' in charge, and confessed to ordering the removal of the helmet. He only got whipped because Zim said he might be redeemable.

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* Why the hell was Rico the one being whipped? All he did was have someone under his command take off his faulty helmet. The soldier who shot and killed the guy should've been the one being whipped! She was firing her gun off wildly while falling and ended up killing someone which is a display of the most reckless disregard for gun safety ever done by a soldier. It was just an unfortunate but extremely avoidable accident. As I said before, the soldier who accidentally killed the guy should've been the one being whipped and given an involuntary manslaughter charge and Rico should've gotten off scot-free. So why was it the other way around?
** A. Rico was the one in charge. He is responsible for his squad's safety. He is the one who told a trooper to remove his protective helmet during an exercise where live ammunition is being used, which is stupid and negligent. It's like a coach ordering his quarterback to take his helmet off in the middle of a play. B. The person who fired the shot fell over and fired by accident. She clearly didn't do it on purpose, while Rico's actions were deliberate. As for it being unsafe, the ''entire exercise'' was ludicrously and completely unsafe to anyone with even a basic knowledge of the four safety rules for guns. If anything, the trooper getting shot is the inevitable consequence of the complete incompetence of everyone who designed that exercise. C. New entries go on the bottom of the page.



** The film is implied to take the ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000'' approach. . . human lives are plentiful and cheap, habitable planets are rare and valuable. In the book, the MI with their PowerArmor are actually equipped to take and hold territory from the bugs. It's the oldest truism of warfare: only boots on the ground can take and hold land from the enemy.

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** The film is implied to take the ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000'' approach. . . human lives are plentiful and cheap, habitable planets are rare and valuable. In the book, the MI with their PowerArmor are actually equipped to take and hold territory from the bugs. It's the oldest truism of warfare: only boots on the ground can take and hold land from the enemy.enemy.
* Why the hell was Rico the one being whipped? All he did was have someone under his command take off his faulty helmet. The soldier who shot and killed the guy should've been the one being whipped! She was firing her gun off wildly while falling and ended up killing someone which is a display of the most reckless disregard for gun safety ever done by a soldier. It was just an unfortunate but extremely avoidable accident. As I said before, the soldier who accidentally killed the guy should've been the one being whipped and given an involuntary manslaughter charge and Rico should've gotten off scot-free. So why was it the other way around?
** A. Rico was the one in charge. He is responsible for his squad's safety. He is the one who told a trooper to remove his protective helmet during an exercise where live ammunition is being used, which is stupid and negligent. It's like a coach ordering his quarterback to take his helmet off in the middle of a play. B. The person who fired the shot fell over and fired by accident. She clearly didn't do it on purpose, while Rico's actions were deliberate. As for it being unsafe, the ''entire exercise'' was ludicrously and completely unsafe to anyone with even a basic knowledge of the four safety rules for guns. If anything, the trooper getting shot is the inevitable consequence of the complete incompetence of everyone who designed that exercise.
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** A. Rico was the one in charge. He is responsible for his squad's safety. He is the one who told a trooper to remove his protective helmet during an exercise where live ammunition is being used, which is stupid and negligent. It's like a coach ordering his quarterback to take his helmet off in the middle of a play. B. The person who fired the shot fell over and fired by accident. She clearly didn't do it on purpose, while Rico's actions were deliberate. As for it being unsafe, the ''entire exercise'' was ludicrously and completely unsafe to anyone with even a basic knowledge of the four safety rules for guns. If anything, the trooper getting shot is the inevitable consequence of the complete incompetence of everyone who designed that exercise. C. New entries go on the bottom of the page.
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* Why the hell was Rico the one being whipped? All he did was have someone under his command take off his faulty helmet. The soldier who shot and killed the guy should've been the one being whipped! She was firing her gun off wildly while falling and ended up killing someone which is a display of the most reckless disregard for gun safety ever done by a soldier. It was just an unfortunate but extremely avoidable accident. As I said before, the soldier who accidentally killed the guy should've been the one being whipped and given an involuntary manslaughter charge and Rico should've gotten off scot-free. So why was it the other way around?
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** In the book, this question is asked and the answer is a combination of a couple things. One is that what they're really fighting over is real estate -- the Federation doesn't really ''want'' to kill the bugs, per se, it's just that both sides want the same real estate and they are unable to peacefully coexist since their societies are so completely different. The other is that the MI's purpose is described as, essentially, kicking down the enemy's door, punching them in the face, and sitting there declaring, "This is mine now and there's nothing you can do about it." It's about sending the message that the MI is strong enough and tough enough that you shouldn't bother attacking them.

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** In the book, this question is asked and the answer is a combination of a couple things. One is that what they're really fighting over is real estate -- the Federation doesn't really ''want'' to kill the bugs, per se, it's just that both sides want the same real estate and they are unable to peacefully coexist since their societies are so completely different. The other is that the MI's purpose is described as, essentially, kicking down the enemy's door, punching them in the face, and sitting there declaring, "This is mine now and there's nothing you can do about it." It's about sending the message that the MI is strong enough and tough enough that you shouldn't bother attacking them.them.
** The film is implied to take the ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000'' approach. . . human lives are plentiful and cheap, habitable planets are rare and valuable. In the book, the MI with their PowerArmor are actually equipped to take and hold territory from the bugs. It's the oldest truism of warfare: only boots on the ground can take and hold land from the enemy.
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** In all honesty this is something that I did notice within the film, but it was kind of foreshadowed right at the start, with Ricos' Animation of them kissing, her quite obvious flirtation with Zander at the game, in general it was made clear that Rico "had it bad" for Carmen, but she wasn't fully into it, probably seeing it as it was, a high school romance, he changed his life for her, but she was already planning on a long term career, of note is how excited she was her friends sister made pilot, also the second she split with Rico she basically started hardcore flirting with Zander, so mostly a split of convenience to her.
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** Because winning the war as quickly and bloodlessly as possible isn't actually the goal. The society runs on perpetual warfare.

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** Because winning the war as quickly and bloodlessly as possible isn't actually the goal. The society runs on perpetual warfare.warfare.
** In the book, this question is asked and the answer is a combination of a couple things. One is that what they're really fighting over is real estate -- the Federation doesn't really ''want'' to kill the bugs, per se, it's just that both sides want the same real estate and they are unable to peacefully coexist since their societies are so completely different. The other is that the MI's purpose is described as, essentially, kicking down the enemy's door, punching them in the face, and sitting there declaring, "This is mine now and there's nothing you can do about it." It's about sending the message that the MI is strong enough and tough enough that you shouldn't bother attacking them.
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*** There is no democracy in the setting. I mean, they outright say early in the movie that democracy failed and was discarded.
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* Why even send infantry against the Arachnids? Why not just fire nuclear missiles at their planet from orbit?

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* Why even send infantry against the Arachnids? Why not just fire nuclear missiles at their planet from orbit?orbit?
** Because winning the war as quickly and bloodlessly as possible isn't actually the goal. The society runs on perpetual warfare.
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* How did Carmen survive the collision? When the ship hit the asteroid, she fell right into the controls as they blew. Later, we see her, not only still alive, but with just a cut across her forehead.

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* How did Carmen survive the collision? When the ship hit the asteroid, she fell right into the controls as they blew. Later, we see her, not only still alive, but with just a cut across her forehead.forehead.
* Why even send infantry against the Arachnids? Why not just fire nuclear missiles at their planet from orbit?
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** There was also mention of 'counting the fuzz on a caterpillar by touch'. They are required to find something within your abilities that you will stick out for two years. I dunno about you, but I couldn't go work in a mine for two years. Digging tunnels on the Moon and terraforming Venus are, in his other books, things people ''want'' to do. ''The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress'' says that while the Moon was a penal colony (In ''that'' story, which is not the same universe as the book) with a little luck and a laser drill, you could be an ice miner and make your own way as a citizen there. Terraforming Venus was hard work, according to (yet another universe, separate from the others) ''Space Cadet'', but earned you your own land again. And people volunteer for medical research NOW, with no reward other than money and/or the satisfaction of helping others. And they volunteer for the military, too... for low pay, little recognition and the exciting chance to have some random asshole blow you up because you don't have the same unibrow. He's not saying 'you have to totally subjugate yourself to a single leader', he's saying you've shown that you'll put the good of the country ahead of what gains you expect to get for yourself. You are serving the country and/or the race by putting yourself in harm's way, or expanding the living space available on new planets, or medical research, or at the very least that you are willing to put in the hard work to count the fuzz on a caterpillar for two years. It's like a driver's test. You've proven yourself to be responsible, and are given rights to go with it. People who say 'Heinlein was a fascist' are misunderstanding at least half of the words in that sentence, as well as not understanding the difference between a story and reality. Do you think George RR Martin expects half the people at a wedding to be murdered every time church bells ring? But he wrote about it, that must mean that that's what he believes! Read Creator/SpiderRobinson's essay about Heinlein, [[http://www.heinleinsociety.org/rah/works/articles/rahrahrah.html Rah Rah R.A.H]].
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** In the book there is mentioned that you can also achieve Citizenship by working on terraforming of Venus, "serving as lab rat", digging tunnels on the Moon and unspecified work in the Antarctica.
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** In the book, it says that nobody who signs up can be turned down regardless of background, gender, etc., even if they have physical disabilities that restrict the work they can do; we could only argue that this would result in a bunch of "yes-men" if we believe that only one very rare and specific kind of political affiliation will result in someone being willing to volunteer for the Armed Forces, and we just don't see that happening in real life.
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** For me, the main problem was not just that they changed things from the book, but that they changed things to be the opposite of the way the book described them, even when the book referenced (unknowingly) the way they were changed for the movie and explained at length why things were not done that way.
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*** The Bugs don't take prisoners, Zander says so to Carmen. Anyone left behind would have been hunted down and killed.
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** I always took "based off the cover of the book" as more of a generic phrase meaning the adaptation wasn't very faithful to the source material instead of a literal description.

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** Well to some extend all countries do have some limits on who can vote and who can be elected, the most common are to be older than 18 and not been a foreigner (although some countries like Argentina allow legal foreign residents and minors over 16 to vote but are the exception and not the rule), this Verse only added one more requirement to be a citizen besides age and naturalization. Similarly in the USA convicted felons can’t vote, some people will say that’s unfair (convicted felons do vote in most countries and even some places have voting polls in prisons) as felons or not they’re still citizens, and of course in some places you have to be citizen by birth to be elected to certain offices. So, in a similar way in how currently most countries establish a series of demands for a person to be considered a full citizen and been able to vote, same in this case just they add an extra requirement that is not common in any modern country that I’m aware off.

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** Well to some extend all countries do have some limits on who can vote and who can be elected, the most common are to be older than 18 and not been a foreigner (although some countries like Argentina allow legal foreign residents and minors over 16 to vote but are the exception and not the rule), this Verse only added one more requirement to be a citizen besides age and naturalization. Similarly in the USA convicted felons can’t vote, some people will say that’s unfair (convicted felons do vote in most countries and even some places have voting polls in prisons) as felons or not they’re still citizens, and of course in some places you have to be citizen by birth to be elected to certain offices. So, in a similar way in how currently most countries establish a series of demands for a person to be considered a full citizen and been able to vote, same in this case just they add an extra requirement that is not common in any modern country that I’m aware off.off.

* How did Carmen survive the collision? When the ship hit the asteroid, she fell right into the controls as they blew. Later, we see her, not only still alive, but with just a cut across her forehead.
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** If you notice, the radio the man was using was missing at the time that he was shot, which means that either it fell off while the Hopper was carrying him, or, the Hopper tore it off of him before sticking him. Now, the reason to send him to higher ground was due to the terrain messing with the signal. I imagine that in this case, the radioman likely figured that there wasn't any danger in doing that, and proceeded to move without any additional support. Also, up until then, the Hopper hadn't been encountered, so it's likely that the unit figured that since the bugs are basically glued to the ground, any threats would be where the rest of the unit could see, and kill them before they could be a legitimate threat to him.
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*** The Federation is portrayed as a government that exalts the glory of the state, uses propaganda to glorify military service in the service of the state as the highest ideal, and controls the media with unrealistic propaganda extolling the success of the state and its military, and does all of this with a right-wing rather than left-wing feel. It feels very much in the fascist/Nazi sort of vein. It is not truly the same as classic fascism in that it calls itself a democracy, but this isn't inconsistent with totalitarianism. Totalitarian communist states are called democracies, hold elections, and in theory anyone could join the Communist party ("service to the state") and become part of the ruling class. But the feel of the Federation is more fascist than communist, so while it is its own unique form of government, "fascist" is the closest term I can think of when describing it.
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*** If you've ever wondered why she is TheScrappy, well there you go. Rico changed the course of his entire life and jeopardized the relationship with his parents just to be with her and yet at no point did she see fit to mention the fact that she was considering breaking up. ''Not having the heart'' is one interpretation; cowardice another. But there are many that believe that she did what she did purely because the thought of controlling someone else's life to such a level made her feel good - which when you think about it, being a low-level sociopath would fit in very nicely with the HumansAreTheRealMonsters theme of this film.

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