History Headscratchers / StarWarsTheCloneWars

5th Feb '16 4:47:38 PM jormis29
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** I was bugged by the fact that blasters as well work perfectly fine underwater. I thought they should make special underwater energy weapons (like XCOM2's Gausses and Sonics) or at least a special model of multi-environment blaster.
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** I was bugged by the fact that blasters as well work perfectly fine underwater. I thought they should make special underwater energy weapons (like XCOM2's VideoGame/XCOM2's Gausses and Sonics) or at least a special model of multi-environment blaster.
1st Feb '16 11:27:21 AM JoeCB1991
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**** Same troper that [[TakeAThirdOption took a third option]] when it came to Ahsoka's age, and in risk of once again going into WMG territory but doing it anyway to stop the issue from eating at people's brains, would like to point out what defines a child or adult is subjective, and entirely dependent and defined by culture, even in RealLife. There are some parts of the world where a girl becomes a woman, and hence is ready for marriage and motherhood, at a specific point of puberty, which can be as young as eight, although those cultures are considered "primitive," "barbaric" or "third world" to us, it isn't anymore right or wrong than our requirements for being an adult, it's just that they skip adolescence in their culture or that's how it's done. Even a few countries that we consider more developed have the general/acceptable age for marriage several years younger than eighteen, what we consider the youngest acceptable age. And in official [[StarWarsEU Star Wars cannon]], Mandalorians are legally adults when they turn thirteen or its species equivalent if they aren't human, and Chiss are adults at ten from what I understand (although that is the average age of physical maturity, but for humans it's around fourteen to sixteen) , it's not treated as bad or reprehensible, its just something that had been done for thousands of years, and is ingrained into the culture and mindset. It's also implied that Mandalorians as a culture has no concept of adolescence. Consider the clones as a unique species of human, who grow and learn at twice the rate of a normal human, that means that they would be adults sooner. As for the training of the cadets that are still children (to our perception at least), consider that they are all clones of a Mandalorian (who was Manda'lor himself actually), who's culture in all likelihood skipped adolescence, and consider people adults at thirteen/age where they are physically and mutually equivalent to a human thirteen-year-old on average, and those we've seen seem to be around that age. Remember that, according to the EU, most of the training was given by Mandalorians, and Mandalorian culture had a heavy influence on the clone's own culture and mindset, and that Mandalorians are said to be trained to fight the moment they take their first step (or at the age of three). That '''could''' be justification for the clone's young age when they start training. I still don't approve of what they are doing though because it is still basically slavery, which is technically illegal in the Republic and makes them major hypocrites, but "slave soldiers that are physically mature at eight and who are culturally adults around age six, who were raised to fight our battles" sits better with me than, "slave child soldiers who were raised to fight our battles that start training at six and are sent out to fight at eight."
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**** Same troper that [[TakeAThirdOption took a third option]] when it came to Ahsoka's age, and in risk of once again going into WMG territory but doing it anyway to stop the issue from eating at people's brains, would like to point out what defines a child or adult is subjective, and entirely dependent and defined by culture, even in RealLife. There are some parts of the world where a girl becomes a woman, and hence is ready for marriage and motherhood, at a specific point of puberty, which can be as young as eight, although those cultures are considered "primitive," "barbaric" or "third world" to us, it isn't anymore right or wrong than our requirements for being an adult, it's just that they skip adolescence in their culture or that's how it's done. Even a few countries that we consider more developed have the general/acceptable age for marriage several years younger than eighteen, what we consider the youngest acceptable age. And in official [[StarWarsEU [[StarWarsExpandedUniverse Star Wars cannon]], Mandalorians are legally adults when they turn thirteen or its species equivalent if they aren't human, and Chiss are adults at ten from what I understand (although that is the average age of physical maturity, but for humans it's around fourteen to sixteen) , it's not treated as bad or reprehensible, its just something that had been done for thousands of years, and is ingrained into the culture and mindset. It's also implied that Mandalorians as a culture has no concept of adolescence. Consider the clones as a unique species of human, who grow and learn at twice the rate of a normal human, that means that they would be adults sooner. As for the training of the cadets that are still children (to our perception at least), consider that they are all clones of a Mandalorian (who was Manda'lor himself actually), who's culture in all likelihood skipped adolescence, and consider people adults at thirteen/age where they are physically and mutually equivalent to a human thirteen-year-old on average, and those we've seen seem to be around that age. Remember that, according to the EU, most of the training was given by Mandalorians, and Mandalorian culture had a heavy influence on the clone's own culture and mindset, and that Mandalorians are said to be trained to fight the moment they take their first step (or at the age of three). That '''could''' be justification for the clone's young age when they start training. I still don't approve of what they are doing though because it is still basically slavery, which is technically illegal in the Republic and makes them major hypocrites, but "slave soldiers that are physically mature at eight and who are culturally adults around age six, who were raised to fight our battles" sits better with me than, "slave child soldiers who were raised to fight our battles that start training at six and are sent out to fight at eight."

** It's an idea that several different things have had. I didnt see that eppisode but in [[Warhammer40000 Warhammer 40k]] its to steal a ship. The idea works like this you wouldnt pack your ship full of dynamite in case of a self destruct you would logically blow up the power source slash munitions dump. So you send a crack team of close qaurter fighters to capture and defend the bridge munitions room and engines to prevent them from causing self destruct automatically or by just shooting the room full of torpedos and using the cramped confines of a ships maintnence areas to force them to use alot of people to get through you. so conceivabnly you would do the same with clones armed with vibroblades and pistols.
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** It's an idea that several different things have had. I didnt see that eppisode but in [[Warhammer40000 [[{{Warhammer40000}} Warhammer 40k]] its to steal a ship. The idea works like this you wouldnt pack your ship full of dynamite in case of a self destruct you would logically blow up the power source slash munitions dump. So you send a crack team of close qaurter fighters to capture and defend the bridge munitions room and engines to prevent them from causing self destruct automatically or by just shooting the room full of torpedos and using the cramped confines of a ships maintnence areas to force them to use alot of people to get through you. so conceivabnly you would do the same with clones armed with vibroblades and pistols.

*** Nope, you're not the only one. One of the reasons (one of the ''many'') reasons I gave up on this show was because of how badly the Jedi have been [[Nerf nerfed]]. I know you need to inject tension into a story but jeez, these are people who can lift starfighters with their ''minds''!
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*** Nope, you're not the only one. One of the reasons (one of the ''many'') reasons I gave up on this show was because of how badly the Jedi have been [[Nerf [[{{Nerf}} nerfed]]. I know you need to inject tension into a story but jeez, these are people who can lift starfighters with their ''minds''!
2nd Jan '16 8:46:10 PM TVRulezAgain
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* In ThePhantomMenace, there was a huge battle between the Gungans and the Droids. Basically Roman-style formation battle, there was one huge force field over the entire Gungan army, and each Gungan also had his own smaller shield. however, while the giant transporting vehicles did not enter the forcefield, the droids did. So you think, "OK, battledroids can walk through force fields". That makes the droids interesting. However, in StarWarsCloneWars, in one episode with "Lurmen" (Anthropromorphic Lemurs) you clearly saw Anakin, Ahsoka, Aayla Secura and some clones walk through the force field just as easily as the Droids did with no problem. So, what this means is that Force Fields can stop lasers, energy weapons and presumeably Lightsabres, and if these are the very same force fields as the Gungan subs they can also keep out gasses and liquids, but Metal and Flesh can go through them easilly. So, since we have all these force fields specifically designed to withstand plasma and energy based weapons but nothing solid, why not just use bullets? Or swords? Or circular saws? Seriously, this calls into question the very existance of vlasters and any kind of long-range non-projectile weapons! Suddenly [[http://www.cracked.com/article_16983_11-most-retarded-fictional-weapons.html Chewie's crossbow]] doesn't seem so bad, does it?
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* In ThePhantomMenace, Film/ThePhantomMenace, there was a huge battle between the Gungans and the Droids. Basically Roman-style formation battle, there was one huge force field over the entire Gungan army, and each Gungan also had his own smaller shield. however, while the giant transporting vehicles did not enter the forcefield, the droids did. So you think, "OK, battledroids can walk through force fields". That makes the droids interesting. However, in StarWarsCloneWars, WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars, in one episode with "Lurmen" (Anthropromorphic Lemurs) you clearly saw Anakin, Ahsoka, Aayla Secura and some clones walk through the force field just as easily as the Droids did with no problem. So, what this means is that Force Fields can stop lasers, energy weapons and presumeably Lightsabres, and if these are the very same force fields as the Gungan subs they can also keep out gasses and liquids, but Metal and Flesh can go through them easilly. So, since we have all these force fields specifically designed to withstand plasma and energy based weapons but nothing solid, why not just use bullets? Or swords? Or circular saws? Seriously, this calls into question the very existance of vlasters and any kind of long-range non-projectile weapons! Suddenly [[http://www.cracked.com/article_16983_11-most-retarded-fictional-weapons.html Chewie's crossbow]] doesn't seem so bad, does it?

** It's not really the show's fault, the Force has always been a GameBreaker, even back in the days of the original trilogy and it's only gotten worse since then. A character that uses the Force to it's full potential will instantly become a GodModeSue. If you don't believe it, just watch ''StarWarsCloneWars'' or play ''VideoGame/TheForceUnleashed''.
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** It's not really the show's fault, the Force has always been a GameBreaker, even back in the days of the original trilogy and it's only gotten worse since then. A character that uses the Force to it's full potential will instantly become a GodModeSue. If you don't believe it, just watch ''StarWarsCloneWars'' ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsCloneWars'' or play ''VideoGame/TheForceUnleashed''.
27th Dec '15 3:29:08 AM SolidSonicTH
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* Yes, it has to happen to ensure that Order 66 could happen, but, why does not a single Jedi seem to think that Nala Su's explanation of the Clone Troopers' bio-chips being "aggression inhbitors" is a little fishy? After all, you'd expect damage to such a chip to turn the victim into a frothing-mad berserker who starts violently lashing out at everyone around them indiscriminately. Coldbloodedly and purposefully assassinating a specific target is a pretty far stretch from that kind of behavior.
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* Yes, it has to happen to ensure that Order 66 could happen, but, why does not a single Jedi seem to think that Nala Su's explanation of the Clone Troopers' bio-chips being "aggression inhbitors" is a little fishy? After all, you'd expect damage to such a chip to turn the victim into a frothing-mad berserker who starts violently lashing out at everyone around them indiscriminately. Coldbloodedly and purposefully assassinating a specific target is a pretty far stretch from that kind of behavior.behavior. * I don't understand Hondo's play in capturing Anakin and Obi-Wan. It sounded like he wanted to double-down on his payment but that doesn't add up. He had already specified the terms of his exchange for Count Dooku and the payment had already been requisitioned and deployed by the time he had captured the Jedi. It's not like he could suddenly ask for more once the Republic had arrived with the payment and try to offer up the Jedi as bargaining chips. As soon as word got out that he captured the Republic generals, he'd end up swarmed by Republic forces.
6th Sep '15 5:53:34 AM Vir
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** (2) Continuing from the previous point, in the intro, the narrator said that the supply shortage was caused by the war which resulting in trade routes being too expensive to maintain. Lets just ignore for a moment that this makes the crisis totally irrelevant to internal corruption. This isn't the first time in the Star Wars EU in which smugglers run supplies for worlds that has been blockaded or cut off. In all other examples, they are portrayed positively. At worst, they are seen as TrueNatural and selfish good individuals that are in it for the money (e.g. [[StarWarsTheOldRepublic Hylo Visz]], and at best as outright heroic (e.g. Han Solo). And if Mandalore is really running out of basic supplies, why are they wasting time and energy cracking down on smugglers instead of, you know, encouraging independent traders to bring in supplies if the big trading companies will not do so? When talking to the council with Padme, Satine said that Mandalore shouldn't be relying on smugglers to feed their people, but there are three problems: Firstly, those people are only smugglers because Satine forced them to be that way; Secondly, if they are having a supply crisis, what is wrong with smugglers bring critical supplies to the people? Is it better for them to put the smugglers out of business and let the people starve to death instead? Finally, so Satine thinks that it is unacceptable for the planet to rely on smugglers, but it is perfectly alright for them to beg the Republic for free handouts. For a self-proclaim independent system, they have a funny way or showing it.
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** (2) Continuing from the previous point, in the intro, the narrator said that the supply shortage was caused by the war which resulting in trade routes being too expensive to maintain. Lets just ignore for a moment that this makes the crisis totally irrelevant to internal corruption. This isn't the first time in the Star Wars EU in which smugglers run supplies for worlds that has been blockaded or cut off. In all other examples, they are portrayed positively. At worst, they are seen as TrueNatural and selfish good individuals that are in it for the money (e.g. [[StarWarsTheOldRepublic [[VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic Hylo Visz]], and at best as outright heroic (e.g. Han Solo). And if Mandalore is really running out of basic supplies, why are they wasting time and energy cracking down on smugglers instead of, you know, encouraging independent traders to bring in supplies if the big trading companies will not do so? When talking to the council with Padme, Satine said that Mandalore shouldn't be relying on smugglers to feed their people, but there are three problems: Firstly, those people are only smugglers because Satine forced them to be that way; Secondly, if they are having a supply crisis, what is wrong with smugglers bring critical supplies to the people? Is it better for them to put the smugglers out of business and let the people starve to death instead? Finally, so Satine thinks that it is unacceptable for the planet to rely on smugglers, but it is perfectly alright for them to beg the Republic for free handouts. For a self-proclaim independent system, they have a funny way or showing it.
10th Aug '15 3:40:30 AM WanderingBrowser
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* Yes, it has to happen to ensure that Order 66 could happen, but, why does not a single Jedi seem to think that Nala Su's explanation of the Clone Troopers' bio-chips being "aggression inhbitors" is a little fishy? After all, you'd expect damage to such a chip to turn the victim into a frothing-mad berserker who starts violently lashing out at everyone around them indiscriminately. Coldbloodedly and purposefully assassinating a specific target is a pretty far stretch from that kind of behavior.
14th Jul '15 9:13:16 PM Historian1912
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* Why is the mission in the pilot film for Anakin and company to rescue a ''HUTT AND RETURN IT TO JABBA ON TATOOINE?'' Yeah, Jedi are suppose to be able to set aside emotions for their mission, but they're still sentient beings with tie ups and emotional problems based on past experiences. Anakin spent many of his formative years as slave to one of the Hutts, and remained one on Tatooine for many more of them, and when the first time he returned after gaining his freedom, his mother died. While he seems to be handling it as well as can be expected at that point from what the council can see, there's got to be some kind of PTSD. Why would the council be so cruel as to pressure him to return there? And more importantly, why is that not touched upon beyond a handful of passive agressive comments?
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* Why is the mission in the pilot film for Anakin and company to rescue a ''HUTT AND RETURN IT TO JABBA ON TATOOINE?'' Yeah, Jedi are suppose to be able to set aside emotions for their mission, but they're still sentient beings with tie ups and emotional problems based on past experiences. Anakin spent many of his formative years as slave to one of the Hutts, and remained one on Tatooine for many more of them, and when the first time he returned after gaining his freedom, his mother died. While he seems to be handling it as well as can be expected at that point from what the council can see, there's got to be some kind of PTSD. Why would the council be so cruel as to pressure him to return there? And more importantly, why is that not touched upon beyond a handful of passive agressive comments?aggressive comments? ** Its a WAR. Why should Anakin get special treatment? He's got a big enough ego as it is. Being on the same planet should not be that much of a problem anyway, especially since he shouldn't have been on-planet for that long (the crash was obviously unplanned and unexpected). The only thing that might remind Anakin of his old life would be Jabba himself by just being a Hutt. Even that could be avoided if Anakin had managed to get the Twilight to the star destroyer he originally tried to land on. In that case, the ship, possibly including Obi-Wan, could take the Hutt back to Tatooine while Anakin returned to Teth's surface (or got in a starfighter) and finished the battle. Basically, the film turned out to be the mission's worst possible successful outcome.
14th Jun '15 2:54:36 PM Medictf2
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** Dooku was 14 when he became a Jedi, and by a young adult he became a Jedi Master. It did have some consequences including likking the first backstabber, but still.

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*** Grievous uses the same fighting style in order to prevent outside interference in duels.

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** Funny you should mention that, because Padme uses that tactic against Grievous. It doesn't kill him, but it does kill the unsuspecting battle droids .

** "Hidden Enemy" proves that in addition to raping continuity (as Wook put it), this cartoon is guilty of [[IncrediblyLamePun general, grievous]] acts of Travissty.
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** "Hidden Enemy" proves that in addition to raping continuity (as Wook put it), this cartoon is guilty of [[IncrediblyLamePun general, grievous]] acts of Travissty. Travissty, ** Some clones went mad during the war, and some lived hard, but more peaceful lives. One episode had a clone living in a desolate planet similar to Tatooine who forgot all about the war and knew only how to cook.

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** Whatever the backstory, if Grievous was bad back then, they made him worse with a cyborg body, the intent to kill with extreme prejudice, and the ability to control all forms of droids including the assassin ones that don't stay dead until you are.

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*** This is another nod to Anakin's slow descent into Sith territory. The Jedi leave no memories behind because memories lead to suffering, and suffering leads to anger. For the good of his Jedi training, he should have locked it up in a Holocron.

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** Both Mundi and Anakin got upgraded to Master status because of their aged training.

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** Tactical espionage. They steal a holocron, and they gain access to all of itw secrets including war history.

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*** Luminara would have used the mind rape on Nute Gunray if Ahsoka didn't scare him into clamming up.

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** Compared to his voice of the Professor in Powerpuff Girls and Mr. Herriman in Foster's, it's a bit lackluster television-wise. It's gold in the radio announcing biz, however.
14th Jun '15 2:26:22 PM cheesetothepower
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* Why is the mission in the pilot film for Anakin and company to rescue a ''HUTT AND RETURN IT TO JABBA ON TATOOINE?'' Yeah, Jedi are suppose to be able to set aside emotions for their mission, but they're still sentient beings with tie ups and emotional problems based on past experiences. Anakin spent many of his formative years as slave to one of the Hutts, and remained one on Tatooine for many more of them, and when the first time he returned after gaining his freedom, his mother died. While he seems to be handling it as well as can be expected at that point from what the council can see, there's got to be some kind of PTSD. Why would the council be so cruel as to pressure him to return there? And more importantly, why is that not touched upon beyond mild disdain and sighing at the magnitude of the challenge?
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* Why is the mission in the pilot film for Anakin and company to rescue a ''HUTT AND RETURN IT TO JABBA ON TATOOINE?'' Yeah, Jedi are suppose to be able to set aside emotions for their mission, but they're still sentient beings with tie ups and emotional problems based on past experiences. Anakin spent many of his formative years as slave to one of the Hutts, and remained one on Tatooine for many more of them, and when the first time he returned after gaining his freedom, his mother died. While he seems to be handling it as well as can be expected at that point from what the council can see, there's got to be some kind of PTSD. Why would the council be so cruel as to pressure him to return there? And more importantly, why is that not touched upon beyond mild disdain and sighing at the magnitude a handful of the challenge?passive agressive comments?
14th Jun '15 2:14:15 PM cheesetothepower
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** [[http://www.starwars.com/video/the-citadel-episode-featurette The behind the scenes commentary addresses this directly]]: Vader considered Cloud City's facility 'crude', while Anakin had access to the best the Republic had to offer. It's like the difference between doing surgery in the field with improvised tools vs doing so in a fully stocked medical facility in a world-class hospital. This is likely also why they were able to defrost without issues.
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** [[http://www.starwars.com/video/the-citadel-episode-featurette The behind the scenes commentary addresses this directly]]: Vader considered Cloud City's facility 'crude', while Anakin had access to the best the Republic had to offer. It's like the difference between doing surgery in the field with improvised tools vs doing so in a fully stocked medical facility in a world-class hospital. This is likely also why they were able to defrost without issues.issues. * Why is the mission in the pilot film for Anakin and company to rescue a ''HUTT AND RETURN IT TO JABBA ON TATOOINE?'' Yeah, Jedi are suppose to be able to set aside emotions for their mission, but they're still sentient beings with tie ups and emotional problems based on past experiences. Anakin spent many of his formative years as slave to one of the Hutts, and remained one on Tatooine for many more of them, and when the first time he returned after gaining his freedom, his mother died. While he seems to be handling it as well as can be expected at that point from what the council can see, there's got to be some kind of PTSD. Why would the council be so cruel as to pressure him to return there? And more importantly, why is that not touched upon beyond mild disdain and sighing at the magnitude of the challenge?
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