History Headscratchers / StarWarsTheCloneWars

19th May '17 12:28:20 AM AthenaBlue
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* Anyone else find it a bit odd during the "Carnage of Krell" episode that clone troopers rush towards a light-saber wielding Jedi? You have guns for a reason! Shoot at him from a distance?

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* Anyone else find it a bit odd during the "Carnage of Krell" episode that clone troopers rush towards a light-saber wielding lightsaber-wielding Jedi? You have guns for a reason! Shoot at him from a distance?



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19th May '17 12:25:20 AM AthenaBlue
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** To train the new ones? Sure, maybe, but the whole point of the Handmaidens is essentially to look and seem enough like the actual ruling monarch. Their whole role is to "be" the monarch while in danger; see the start of Attack of the Clones when the bomb goes off and kills the decoy. So some probably did stick around, but by this point they've mostly been chewed away by attrition since Padme is like a black cat when it comes to assassinations...

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** To train the new ones? Sure, maybe, but the whole point of the Handmaidens is essentially to look and seem enough like the actual ruling monarch. Their whole role is to "be" the monarch while in danger; see the start of Attack ''Attack of the Clones Clones'' when the bomb goes off and kills the decoy. So some probably did stick around, but by this point they've mostly been chewed away by attrition since Padme Padmé is like a black cat when it comes to assassinations...
19th May '17 12:24:07 AM AthenaBlue
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** If clones get a pass on the age thing on the "different species have different ages of maturity" clause (despite being human) why can't Togruta (Ahsoka's species)? Besides Jedi are trained from childhood to fight. She's basically Anakin's squire - for all their advanced technology, the StarWars universe has a pretty medieval attitude toward a lot of things; it is basically a fantasy, after all.

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** If clones get a pass on the age thing on the "different species have different ages of maturity" clause (despite being human) why can't Togruta (Ahsoka's species)? Besides Jedi are trained from childhood to fight. She's basically Anakin's squire - -- for all their advanced technology, the StarWars ''Franchise/StarWars'' universe has a pretty medieval attitude toward a lot of things; it is basically a fantasy, after all.



** The real difference is, the decision to use the slave army of cannon fodder rests ''entirely'' in the hands of a corrupt, Palpatine-controlled Senate- inexcusable, but understandable given who is responsible. The decision to use padawans on the front lines? That's all the "heroic" Jedi's doing..
** Re. the clones: it's not all Palps' doing. Characters we're meant to see as heroic support using them: Padme Amidala, Bail Organa, Onaconda Farr, etc. They might view the clones as people more than resources (which is more than can be said of some of the other Senators), but thus far none of them has come out and condemned the use of clones as slavery. The way I see it, nobody in this story is innocent; at the very least, they're ''all'' guilty of maintaining a status quo where people who ought to have a right to choose whether or not to fight in a war--be they Padawans or clones--don't have any such right.
** They don't have much choice. They can either accept the army or...well, die like dogs given the fact the droids vastly outnumber the Jedi Order. One must also consider the fact the sympathetic characters you mention are, in turn, vastly outnumbered by the corrupt in the Senate, so there's not much they can do.
** Another possible justification for the slavery is Kamino law, it that it could be that they have a mandatory draft for all clones of that template, and feel that it is safer to make their educational system for them around military combat because that is their future, and the more they are trained, the better chance they have for survival. It just happens that the clones make up the majority of the military, that soldiers from Kamino are not allowed leave or downtime because of their home-world's laws, that most are killed before the required service is up, and that the length of the required service happens to end when they are too old to fight. It's still deplorable, but it might make it so they aren't legal slaves in Republic law. Still close enough for hypocrisy, but it would make the public, senate and Jedi feel better about it.

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** The real difference is, the decision to use the slave army of cannon fodder rests ''entirely'' in the hands of a corrupt, Palpatine-controlled Senate- Senate -- inexcusable, but understandable given who is responsible. The decision to use padawans on the front lines? That's all the "heroic" Jedi's doing..
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** Re. the clones: it's not all Palps' doing. Characters we're meant to see as heroic support using them: Padme Padmé Amidala, Bail Organa, Onaconda Farr, etc. They might view the clones as people more than resources (which is more than can be said of some of the other Senators), but thus far none of them has come out and condemned the use of clones as slavery. The way I see it, nobody in this story is innocent; at the very least, they're ''all'' guilty of maintaining a status quo where people who ought to have a right to choose whether or not to fight in a war--be war -- be they Padawans or clones--don't clones -- don't have any such right.
** They don't have much choice. They can either accept the army or... well, die like dogs given the fact the droids vastly outnumber the Jedi Order. One must also consider the fact the sympathetic characters you mention are, in turn, vastly outnumbered by the corrupt in the Senate, so there's not much they can do.
** Another possible justification for the slavery is Kamino law, it that it could be that they have a mandatory draft for all clones of that template, and feel that it is safer to make their educational system for them around military combat because that is their future, and the more they are trained, the better chance they have for survival. It just happens that the clones make up the majority of the military, that soldiers from Kamino are not allowed leave or downtime because of their home-world's homeworld's laws, that most are killed before the required service is up, and that the length of the required service happens to end when they are too old to fight. It's still deplorable, but it might make it so they aren't legal slaves in Republic law. Still close enough for hypocrisy, but it would make the public, senate and Jedi feel better about it.



** The most warcrimey is the fact that apparently attacking medical centers and medical ships is a-okay. Of course, it's the bad guys doing that, especially Grievous, but still-- it seems exceptionally grim for a kids' show, even if the alternative is the unwieldy and difficult explanation that there are "rules" to war.
** I honestly believe its not so much a matter of them committing war crimes rather than the culture not having as well defined age of adulthood as us. Little kids and such, of course they'll be defined a children, but from what we've seen (i.e. Padme becoming Queen of Naboo at the age of 14, which in most cultures would require a regent until she came of age, and Leia becoming a senator at age 18, where in countries such as the USA, she is seven years to young to join the federal legislature and if a direct analogy to their senate, actually 17 years too young) when an individual becomes able to cope and take responsibility in an adult like matter, along with growing into adult-like proportions, even if they have a few more growth spurts for height, people in the Star Wars Universe seem to be regarded as an adult. In our culture, a 13/14 year old would be considered for all intents and purposes a child, but in theirs, if they had the maturity and coping skills of an older teenager, a 13/14 year old would be considered an adult.

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** The most warcrimey is the fact that apparently attacking medical centers and medical ships is a-okay. Of course, it's the bad guys doing that, especially Grievous, but still-- still -- it seems exceptionally grim for a kids' show, even if the alternative is the unwieldy and difficult explanation that there are "rules" to war.
** I honestly believe its not so much a matter of them committing war crimes rather than the culture not having as well defined an age of adulthood as us. Little kids and such, of course they'll be defined a children, but from what we've seen (i.e. Padme becoming Queen of Naboo at the age of 14, which in most cultures would require a regent until she came of age, and Leia becoming a senator at age 18, where in countries such as the USA, she is seven years to young to join the federal legislature and if a direct analogy to their senate, actually 17 years too young) when an individual becomes able to cope and take responsibility in an adult like matter, along with growing into adult-like proportions, even if they have a few more growth spurts for height, people in the Star Wars ''Star Wars'' Universe seem to be regarded as an adult. In our culture, a 13/14 year old would be considered for all intents and purposes a child, but in theirs, if they had the maturity and coping skills of an older teenager, a 13/14 year old would be considered an adult.



** The same Lucas that can't correctly pronounce half of his own planets. ''Every other'' source says fourteen, so...WordOfGod be damned.

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** The same Lucas that can't correctly pronounce half of his own planets. ''Every other'' source says fourteen, so... WordOfGod be damned.



** What defines a child or adult is subjective, and entirely dependent and defined by culture, even in RealLife. There are some parts of the world where a girl becomes a woman, and hence is ready for marriage and motherhood, at a specific point of puberty, which can be as young as eight, although those cultures are considered "primitive," "barbaric" or "third world" to us, it isn't anymore right or wrong than our requirements for being an adult, it's just that they skip adolescence in their culture or that's how it's done. Even a few countries that we consider more developed have the general/acceptable age for marriage several years younger than eighteen, what we consider the youngest acceptable age. And in official [[StarWarsExpandedUniverse Star Wars canon]], Mandalorians are legally adults when they turn thirteen or its species equivalent if they aren't human, and Chiss are adults at ten from what I understand (although that is the average age of physical maturity, but for humans it's around fourteen to sixteen) , it's not treated as bad or reprehensible, its just something that had been done for thousands of years, and is ingrained into the culture and mindset. It's also implied that Mandalorians as a culture has no concept of adolescence. Consider the clones as a unique species of human, who grow and learn at twice the rate of a normal human, that means that they would be adults sooner. As for the training of the cadets that are still children (to our perception at least), consider that they are all clones of a Mandalorian (who was Manda'lor himself actually), who's culture in all likelihood skipped adolescence, and consider people adults at thirteen/age where they are physically and mutually equivalent to a human thirteen-year-old on average, and those we've seen seem to be around that age. Remember that, according to the EU, most of the training was given by Mandalorians, and Mandalorian culture had a heavy influence on the clone's own culture and mindset, and that Mandalorians are said to be trained to fight the moment they take their first step (or at the age of three). That '''could''' be justification for the clone's young age when they start training. I still don't approve of what they are doing though because it is still basically slavery, which is technically illegal in the Republic and makes them major hypocrites, but "slave soldiers that are physically mature at eight and who are culturally adults around age six, who were raised to fight our battles" sits better with me than, "slave child soldiers who were raised to fight our battles that start training at six and are sent out to fight at eight."
** She's only a padawan as of the Clone Wars 'movie'...

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** What defines a child or adult is subjective, and entirely dependent and defined by culture, even in RealLife. There are some parts of the world where a girl becomes a woman, and hence is ready for marriage and motherhood, at a specific point of puberty, which can be as young as eight, although those cultures are considered "primitive," "primitive", "barbaric" or "third world" to us, it isn't anymore right or wrong than our requirements for being an adult, it's just that they skip adolescence in their culture or that's how it's done. Even a few countries that we consider more developed have the general/acceptable age for marriage several years younger than eighteen, what we consider the youngest acceptable age. And in official [[StarWarsExpandedUniverse Star Wars ''Star Wars'' [[Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse canon]], Mandalorians are legally adults when they turn thirteen or its the species equivalent if they aren't human, and Chiss are adults at ten from what I understand (although that is the average age of physical maturity, but for humans it's around fourteen to sixteen) , sixteen), it's not treated as bad or reprehensible, its just something that had been done for thousands of years, and is ingrained into the culture and mindset. It's also implied that Mandalorians as a culture has have no concept of adolescence. Consider the clones as a unique species of human, who grow and learn at twice the rate of a normal human, that means that they would be adults sooner. As for the training of the cadets that are still children (to our perception at least), consider that they are all clones of a Mandalorian (who was Manda'lor himself actually), who's culture in all likelihood skipped adolescence, and consider people adults at thirteen/age thirteen/an age where they are physically and mutually equivalent to a human thirteen-year-old on average, and those we've seen seem to be around that age. Remember that, according to the EU, most of the training was given by Mandalorians, and Mandalorian culture had a heavy influence on the clone's own culture and mindset, and that Mandalorians are said to be trained to fight the moment they take their first step (or at the age of three). That '''could''' be justification for the clone's young age when they start training. I still don't approve of what they are doing though because it is still basically slavery, which is technically illegal in the Republic and makes them major hypocrites, but "slave soldiers that are physically mature at eight and who are culturally adults around age six, who were raised to fight our battles" sits better with me than, "slave child soldiers who were raised to fight our battles that start training at six and are sent out to fight at eight."
** She's only a padawan as of the Clone Wars 'movie'..."movie"...



** Age of consent is also quite different from Earth norms. Ahsoka is the same age Padme was in Episode 1, after all.

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** Age of consent is also quite different from Earth norms. Ahsoka is the same age Padme Padmé was in Episode 1, after all.



** Imagine cultural differences on a global scale with all the regions, countries on Earth, and keep in mind that it is constantly changing. Try and spread that to a galactic scale, even with PlanetOfHats in effect, it is a safe bet there are a lot more occupied planets in the galaxy that StarWars takes place in than there are different cultures on Earth. Each planet will have it's own culture and ideas of what makes an adult and when it can or should happen. Who's to say Ahsoka isn't a cultural equivalent of an adult, or someone close enough to adulthood to be in war?
** Also, I think there might be some [[AllThereInTheManual supplementary materials]] somewhere in the EU which posit the proposal that by this point of the Clone Wars, the Jedi Order ''is'' falling back on younger and younger padawans as the casualties amongst their elders and more experienced Jedi mount up. Likewise, bear in mind the Clone Wars are, at the end of the day, Palpatine's EvilPlan-- he's the only real political power in the Republic now, and he's unlikely to pull up the Jedi Order on supposed "war crimes" unless it suits his purposes. In fact, it's a lovely piece of propaganda he can use against them later when the time comes for Order 66.

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** Imagine cultural differences on a global scale with all the regions, countries on Earth, and keep in mind that it is constantly changing. Try and spread that to a galactic scale, even with PlanetOfHats in effect, it is a safe bet there are a lot more occupied planets in the galaxy that StarWars ''Franchise/StarWars'' takes place in than there are different cultures on Earth. Each planet will have it's its own culture and ideas of what makes an adult and when it can or should happen. Who's to say Ahsoka isn't a cultural equivalent of an adult, or someone close enough to adulthood to be in war?
** Also, I think there might be some [[AllThereInTheManual supplementary materials]] somewhere in the EU which posit the proposal that by this point of the Clone Wars, the Jedi Order ''is'' falling back on younger and younger padawans as the casualties amongst their elders and more experienced Jedi mount up. Likewise, bear in mind the Clone Wars are, at the end of the day, Palpatine's EvilPlan-- EvilPlan -- he's the only real political power in the Republic now, and he's unlikely to pull up the Jedi Order on supposed "war crimes" unless it suits his purposes. In fact, it's a lovely piece of propaganda he can use against them later when the time comes for Order 66.



** Simple, she eventually got PutOnABus

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** Simple, she eventually got PutOnABusPutOnABus.



** The Clone Wars series might reach such a point that nothing ever happens to Ahsoka, and Anakin doesn't fall to TheDarkSide. Lucas will, of course, consider this more canon than his own movies.

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** The ''The Clone Wars series Wars'' might reach such a point that nothing ever happens to Ahsoka, and Anakin doesn't fall to TheDarkSide. Lucas will, of course, consider this more canon than his own movies.



** Grievous never wanted to be a Jedi, he was a Keelesh warlord who was involved in a shuttle crash arranged by Palpatine so he could turn Grievous into a more powerful cyborg that could lead the droid armies and match a Jedi Count Dooku had his brain implanted with a device that allowed him to wield lightsabers. Read the Episode III visual dictionary if you don't believe me (which is a lot more canon - orientated than the cartoon series).

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** Grievous never wanted to be a Jedi, he was a Keelesh warlord who was involved in a shuttle crash arranged by Palpatine so he could turn Grievous into a more powerful cyborg that could lead the droid armies and match a Jedi Jedi. Count Dooku had his brain implanted with a device that allowed him to wield lightsabers. Read the Episode III visual dictionary if you don't believe me (which is a lot more canon - orientated canon-orientated than the cartoon series).



** It's a little of both, the character info on the Cartoon network site has Grievous's info as what I first posted it and as a joke.
** Incidentally, they are taking Grievous's back story in BroadStrokes. Lucas had this idea where he was basically what the Cartoon Network site said, but Dave Filoni wished to respect the EU story and set the actual episode so he could be taken as one or the other.

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** It's a little of both, the character info on the Cartoon network site has Grievous's Grievous' info as what I first posted it and as a joke.
** Incidentally, they are taking Grievous's Grievous' back story in BroadStrokes. Lucas had this idea where he was basically what the Cartoon Network site said, but Dave Filoni wished to respect the EU story and set the actual episode so he could be taken as one or the other.



** Apparently (and I have no source on this, I just heard it from a friend) there is a time skip ''within'' Revenge of the Sith - after Anakin and Obi Wan rescue Palpatine and before Padme drops the baby bomb on Anakin - which is the only time the series could logically take place.

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** Apparently (and I have no source on this, I just heard it from a friend) there is a time skip ''within'' Revenge ''Revenge of the Sith - Sith'' -- after Anakin and Obi Wan rescue Palpatine and before Padme Padmé drops the baby bomb on Anakin - which is the only time the series could logically take place.



** There's also the fact that Anakin landing half of Grievous's ship and Padme telling him about the kid happen in practically the same scene.

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** There's also the fact that Anakin landing half of Grievous's Grievous' ship and Padme telling him about the kid happen in practically the same scene.



** This series takes place in 21 BBY, one year after ''Star Wars Episode II''. They don't care if it doesn't make any sense with prior sources. For example, Grievous' cough is not caused by the scene in the original ''Clone Wars'' show and has no explanation (It was to be in link with the movie, in which he had had the cough for about a week. (The movie begins a week after Palpatine is kidnapped in ''Clone Wars''.)) As for Anakin becoming a Knight, it happened right after the Clone Wars started, which may or may not mean he did not have all those adventures with Obi-Wan that were used as justification for his skipping the Trials in ''Clone Wars''. They may have happened within the span of a single year: actually only a few months because the BBY system does not exactly mesh with the in-universe calendar. The big problem with this series's place in continuity is that the Clone Wars only lasted for three years and that Creator/LucasArts decided to capitalize on the prequel trilogy by documenting the events of this war '''to the month'''. Then they decided, five years into this project, to make this show and include characters who were doing many different things: characters like [[TheProtagonist Anakin]] have barely have a month in-universe without an adventure of some kind. The people who make this show decided to connect it to Revenge of the Sith and the film characters that are popular ([[AndZoidberg and Jar Jar]]), which are not the same characters development-wise as they were at the beginning of the Clone Wars. There are many other discrepancies that are created by their ''inserting'' of this show, but they are far too numerous to list so I'll just do one more. You see Anakin's scar about his eye? He got that fighting Asajj Ventress in 20 BBY. Refer to the date I gave you at the start of this explanation. (Frankly, they missed an opportunity by giving him the scar. They could have omitted it for the series and re-released the comic issue where he received it as a special edition, thus making money. But that would have made too much sense to the fans of pre-TCW canon.)

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** This series takes place in 21 BBY, one year after ''Star Wars Episode II''.''Attack of the Clones''. They don't care if it doesn't make any sense with prior sources. For example, Grievous' cough is not caused by the scene in the original ''Clone Wars'' show and has no explanation (It was to be in link with the movie, in which he had had the cough for about a week. (The movie begins a week after Palpatine is kidnapped in ''Clone Wars''.)) As for Anakin becoming a Knight, it happened right after the Clone Wars started, which may or may not mean he did not have all those adventures with Obi-Wan that were used as justification for his skipping the Trials in ''Clone Wars''. They may have happened within the span of a single year: actually only a few months because the BBY system does not exactly mesh with the in-universe calendar. The big problem with this series's series' place in continuity is that the Clone Wars only lasted for three years and that Creator/LucasArts decided to capitalize on the prequel trilogy by documenting the events of this war '''to the month'''. Then they decided, five years into this project, to make this show and include characters who were doing many different things: characters like [[TheProtagonist Anakin]] have barely have a month in-universe without an adventure of some kind. The people who make this show decided to connect it to Revenge ''Revenge of the Sith Sith'' and the film characters that are popular ([[AndZoidberg and Jar Jar]]), which are not the same characters development-wise as they were at the beginning of the Clone Wars. There are many other discrepancies that are created by their ''inserting'' of this show, but they are far too numerous to list so I'll just do one more. You see Anakin's scar about his eye? He got that fighting Asajj Ventress in 20 BBY. Refer to the date I gave you at the start of this explanation. (Frankly, they missed an opportunity by giving him the scar. They could have omitted it for the series and re-released the comic issue where he received it as a special edition, thus making money. But that would have made too much sense to the fans of pre-TCW canon.)



** That's nothing. In a recent episode Ahsoka put a lightsaber to a prisoner's throat and threatened to "gut him like a fish", if he didn't talk. ''In the presence of a Jedi master'' no less. And while she was probably bluffing, there's no justification for the "I'll give you a merciful death!" line she gave the assassin a few minutes later. If she keeps it up, she has a good chance of turning evil before her master.
** Like they said: she's taking instructions from Anakin Skywalker, who's already half Sith by the time Episode III starts. Plus, the Clone Wars themselves are said in the Episode III novelization to be turning the Jedi into something they were never intended to be -- soldiers, not peace keepers.

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** That's nothing. In a recent episode Ahsoka put a lightsaber to a prisoner's throat and threatened to "gut him like a fish", if he didn't talk. ''In the presence of a Jedi master'' Master'' no less. And while she was probably bluffing, there's no justification for the "I'll give you a merciful death!" line she gave the assassin a few minutes later. If she keeps it up, she has a good chance of turning evil before her master.
** Like they said: she's taking instructions from Anakin Skywalker, who's already half Sith half-Sith by the time Episode III starts. Plus, the Clone Wars themselves are said in the Episode III novelization to be turning the Jedi into something they were never intended to be -- soldiers, not peace keepers.peacekeepers.



** There are too many extenuating circumstances in Anakin's fall to blame it purely on Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan was knighted and given a padawan (with a ridiculous amount of problems, I might add) long before he was ready. Being strict was likely the only way to establish control of the situation, since the Council didn't have much faith in him ''or'' Anakin. The only guidelines he had for training Anakin came from Qui-Gon Jinn, who wasn't exactly the most amiable Jedi master to Obi-Wan (at least at first) because of the betrayal of his first apprentice Xanatos. Furthermore, we know that while Obi-Wan was critical, he was the only one who consistently defended Anakin in front of the Council. We know that both Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan ''really'' mellowed with age: compare the first Jedi Apprentice book with Qui-Gon in Film/ThePhantomMenace, and see how much warmer Obi-Wan is Film/RevengeOfTheSith. And, lastly, communication is a two-way street. There are concerns in Film/AttackOfTheClones that Anakin never airs to his master. You might say it's because he feared his concerns would be easily dismissed, but you can't solve a problem if you only vent it to the one person (Padme) who can't do anything about it. Yes, I think Obi-Wan could have done more to understand Anakin. Even if he was raised at the Temple and against forming attachments, [[NotSoDifferent he had anger issues in his youth too]], and even deserted the Order at one time. But maybe that's why he's critical to Anakin: because he's seen where he's made so many mistakes, and he doesn't want Anakin to do the same. Maybe if Obi-Wan and Anakin had actually listened to each other more often, if Palpatine hadn't been poisoning Anakin against them, if [[BecauseDestinySaysSo destiny hadn't said so]]... it all might have been avoided. But you know how it goes.

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** There are too many extenuating circumstances in Anakin's fall to blame it purely on Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan was knighted and given a padawan (with a ridiculous amount of problems, I might add) long before he was ready. Being strict was likely the only way to establish control of the situation, since the Council didn't have much faith in him ''or'' Anakin. The only guidelines he had for training Anakin came from Qui-Gon Jinn, who wasn't exactly the most amiable Jedi master to Obi-Wan (at least at first) because of the betrayal of his first apprentice Xanatos. Furthermore, we know that while Obi-Wan was critical, he was the only one who consistently defended Anakin in front of the Council. We know that both Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan ''really'' mellowed with age: compare the first Jedi Apprentice ''Jedi Apprentice'' book with Qui-Gon in Film/ThePhantomMenace, ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'', and see how much warmer Obi-Wan is Film/RevengeOfTheSith.''Film/RevengeOfTheSith''. And, lastly, communication is a two-way street. There are concerns in Film/AttackOfTheClones ''Film/AttackOfTheClones'' that Anakin never airs to his master. You might say it's because he feared his concerns would be easily dismissed, but you can't solve a problem if you only vent it to the one person (Padme) (Padmé) who can't do anything about it. Yes, I think Obi-Wan could have done more to understand Anakin. Even if he was raised at the Temple and against forming attachments, [[NotSoDifferent he had anger issues in his youth too]], and even deserted the Order at one time. But maybe that's why he's critical to Anakin: because he's seen where he's made so many mistakes, and he doesn't want Anakin to do the same. Maybe if Obi-Wan and Anakin had actually listened to each other more often, if Palpatine hadn't been poisoning Anakin against them, if [[BecauseDestinySaysSo destiny hadn't said so]]... it all might have been avoided. But you know how it goes.



* And what is it with Ahsoka's fighting style? In the movie and the early episodes she clearly holds her lightsaber backwards - something we haven't seen any other Jedi doing (and I find it hard to believe she invented her own style). In recent episodes however, she only does it during dramatic poses and not the actual combat.
** * coughstarkillercough*

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* And what is it with Ahsoka's fighting style? In the movie and the early episodes she clearly holds her lightsaber backwards - -- something we haven't seen any other Jedi doing (and I find it hard to believe she invented her own style). In recent episodes however, she only does it during dramatic poses and not the actual combat.
** * coughstarkillercough**coughstarkillercough*



** Also, there is a significant change in Anakin's personality between Clone Wars, and the Force Unleashed. In Clone Wars Anakin is still mostly a good person,who is training someone to be a galactic peace keeper, and so might be reluctant to teach his apprentice a offensively oriented combat style. By the time of the Force Unleashed, Vader is a mostly evil person, training an assassin to exterminate any remaining Jedi, so he would take no issue to training Starkiller in an aggressive, offense based form.

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** Also, there is a significant change in Anakin's personality between ''The Clone Wars, Wars'', and the ''The Force Unleashed. Unleashed''. In ''The Clone Wars Wars'' Anakin is still mostly a good person,who is training someone to be a galactic peace keeper, peacekeeper, and so might be reluctant to teach his apprentice a offensively oriented combat style. By the time of the ''The Force Unleashed, Unleashed'', Vader is a mostly evil person, training an assassin to exterminate any remaining Jedi, so he would take no issue to training Starkiller in an aggressive, offense based form.



* In ''Duel of the Droids'', shouldn't the Vulture droids have shields? Ahsoka jumps on one and slices off its... head... even though lightsabers can't even penetrate droideka shields. Also, their cannons seemed ''extremely'' piddly for starfighters. Starfighters are... ''star''fighters, we see them blow things up doubleplusgood several times in the actual films. What's up with that? Were their reactors uncharged or something? It niggled at me, even though it came from an otherwise excellent episode.
** Well, the shield might short out on continuous contact with the ground, much as droideka shields did in the ROTS novel upon contact with the ceiling. That, or its a lazy plot device, aka droid power cell charge.

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* In ''Duel "Duel of the Droids'', Droids", shouldn't the Vulture droids have shields? Ahsoka jumps on one and slices off its... head... even though lightsabers can't even penetrate droideka shields. Also, their cannons seemed ''extremely'' piddly for starfighters. Starfighters are... ''star''fighters, we see them blow things up doubleplusgood several times in the actual films. What's up with that? Were their reactors uncharged or something? It niggled at me, even though it came from an otherwise excellent episode.
** Well, the shield might short out on continuous contact with the ground, much as droideka shields did in the ROTS novel upon contact with the ceiling. That, or its it's a lazy plot device, aka droid power cell charge.



** Well, standard TIE Fighters are also shieldless in most incarnations, so Droid Fighters might be also. In fact, we saw Mace Windu lightsabring some Vulture Droids without shield interactions in the first Clone Wars series in the last chapters and it was awesome. I guess Ahsoka doesn't get to get away with this because she's a Scrappy and Mace Windu is played by Samuel L. Jackson and is therefore badass incarnate.

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** Well, standard TIE Fighters are also shieldless in most incarnations, so Droid Fighters might be also. In fact, we saw Mace Windu lightsabring lightsabering some Vulture Droids without shield interactions in the first Clone Wars ''Clone Wars'' series in the last chapters and it was awesome. I guess Ahsoka doesn't get to get away with this because she's a Scrappy and Mace Windu is played by Samuel L. Jackson and is therefore badass incarnate.



** There is a simple explanation as to why the weapons on the vulture droids seem less powerful; they are actually using smaller guns, the main weapons they use against other ships (i.e. the ones that do a lot of damage) are located in the wings, meaning their big guns are stuck pointed directly beneath them when in "walking mode" The real problem is, according to EU sources, they are supposed to have missile launchers where the small cannons are located in the episode.

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** There is a simple explanation as to why the weapons on the vulture droids seem less powerful; they are actually using smaller guns, the main weapons they use against other ships (i.e. the ones that do a lot of damage) are located in the wings, meaning their big guns are stuck pointed directly beneath them when in "walking mode" mode". The real problem is, according to EU sources, they are supposed to have missile launchers where the small cannons are located in the episode.



** It's an idea that several different things have had. I didn't see that episode but in ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000'' its to steal a ship. The idea works like this you wouldn't pack your ship full of dynamite in case of a self destruct you would logically blow up the power source slash munitions dump. So you send a crack team of close quarter fighters to capture and defend the bridge munitions room and engines to prevent them from causing self destruct automatically or by just shooting the room full of torpedoes and using the cramped confines of a ships maintenance areas to force them to use a lot of people to get through you. so conceivably you would do the same with clones armed with vibroblades and pistols.
** Funny you should mention that, because Padme uses that tactic against Grievous. It doesn't kill him, but it does kill the unsuspecting battle droids.

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** It's an idea that several different things have had. I didn't see that episode episode, but in ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000'' its it's to steal a ship. The idea works like this this: you wouldn't pack your ship full of dynamite in case of a self destruct self-destruct, you would logically blow up the power source slash munitions dump. So you send a crack team of close quarter close-quarters fighters to capture and defend the bridge munitions room and engines to prevent them from causing self destruct automatically self-destruct automatically, or by just shooting the room full of torpedoes and using the cramped confines of a ships ship's maintenance areas to force them to use a lot of people to get through you. so So conceivably you would do the same with clones armed with vibroblades and pistols.
** Funny you should mention that, because Padme Padmé uses that tactic against Grievous. It doesn't kill him, but it does kill the unsuspecting battle droids.



** When the episodes were still actively airing, the Star Wars website had short web-comics that preceded, followed, or bridged various episodes. In ''#12 Switch'', the are drugged by Pilf Mukmuk, Hondo's pet Kwoakian Monkey-Lizard.

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** When the episodes were still actively airing, the Star Wars ''Star Wars'' website had short web-comics webcomics that preceded, followed, or bridged various episodes. In ''#12 Switch'', the they are drugged by Pilf Mukmuk, Hondo's pet Kwoakian Kowakian Monkey-Lizard.



** I think Obi-Wan is going to cash in [[ChekhovsGun this favour]] later on, but the warning I believe was supposed to be that they better get the hell away, because Dooku is going to level the planet. As for how they got captured, it's AllThereInTheManual (read: the online comic tie-in). The bad guys [[spoiler: spike the atmosphere, incapacitating the entire room while they're at it.]]

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** I think Obi-Wan is going to cash in [[ChekhovsGun this favour]] later on, but the warning I believe was supposed to be that they better get the hell away, because Dooku is going to level the planet. As for how they got captured, it's AllThereInTheManual (read: the online comic tie-in). The bad guys [[spoiler: spike [[spoiler:spike the atmosphere, incapacitating the entire room while they're at it.]]



** Well so much for the idea that Obi-Wan was going to cash the favour in. The Weequay shows up again in season two bullying farmers for their crops and even kills a bunch of them. Those farmers would still be alive if Obi-Wan had just followed protocol and taken the bastard to prison where he belonged. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Nice going there Obi-Wan.]]

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** Well so much for the idea that Obi-Wan was going to cash the favour in. The Weequay shows up again in season two bullying farmers for their crops and even kills a bunch of them. Those farmers would still be alive if Obi-Wan had just followed protocol and taken the bastard to prison where he belonged. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Nice going there there, Obi-Wan.]]



* In ''Hidden Enemy'' Slick's motivation about clone troopers being born as slaves (which was interesting and a nice bit of moral ambiguity) is just tossed out as less than a minute after he brings it up. I know that Anakin and Obi-Wan mention that sabotaging the mission was a step too far, but it just felt like:

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* In ''Hidden Enemy'' "The Hidden Enemy", Slick's motivation about clone troopers being born as slaves (which was interesting and a nice bit of moral ambiguity) is just tossed out as less than a minute after he brings it up. I know that Anakin and Obi-Wan mention that sabotaging the mission was a step too far, but it just felt like:



** "The Hidden Enemy" proves that in addition to raping continuity (as Wook put it), this cartoon is guilty of [[IncrediblyLamePun general, grievous]] acts of Travissty,

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** "The Hidden Enemy" proves that in addition to raping continuity (as Wook put it), this cartoon is guilty of [[IncrediblyLamePun general, grievous]] acts of Travissty,Travissty.



** ...''guided?'' -Aimed- maybe. But the ion cannon [[Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack on Hoth]] was much more logical than the "big blob" fired here that should have been easily dodge (of course, [=TCW=] is hardly alone in this, see the final episode of ''Series/StargateAtlantis'' for a particularly egregious example of [[WhatTheHellHero sitting there and taking it]].)

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** ...''guided?'' -Aimed- Aimed, maybe. But the ion cannon [[Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack on Hoth]] was much more logical than the "big blob" fired here that should have been easily dodge (of dodged. (Of course, [=TCW=] is hardly alone in this, see the final episode of ''Series/StargateAtlantis'' for a particularly egregious example of [[WhatTheHellHero sitting there and taking it]].)



* During ''Downfall of a Droid'' and ''Duel of the Droids'' the whole plot revolves around the fact that R2-D2 carries republic secrets with him. He's a freaking robot, what stops him from just ''deleting'' the relevant information to stop it from falling into enemy hands?

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* During ''Downfall "Downfall of a Droid'' Droid" and ''Duel "Duel of the Droids'' Droids", the whole plot revolves around the fact that R2-D2 carries republic Republic secrets with within him. He's a freaking robot, what stops him from just ''deleting'' the relevant information to stop it from falling into enemy hands?



** In most cases (civilian applications for example) I would assume that you were right. However, a couple of things come to mind: one, it was a military droid carrying very important information, two, Anakin is a genius as far as robotics go. He could've just programmed the function in. I simply can't believe that there would be no contingency plan in case something went wrong.

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** In most cases (civilian applications for example) example), I would assume that you were right. However, a couple of things come to mind: one, it he was a military droid carrying very important information, two, Anakin is a genius as far as robotics go. He could've just programmed the function in. I simply can't believe that there would be no contingency plan in case something went wrong.



** This is another nod to Anakin's slow descent into Sith territory. The Jedi leave no memories behind because memories lead to suffering, and suffering leads to anger. For the good of his Jedi training, he should have locked it up in a Holocron.

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** This is another nod to Anakin's slow descent into Sith territory. The Jedi leave no memories behind because memories lead to suffering, and suffering leads to anger. For the good of his Jedi training, he should have locked it up in a Holocron.holocron.
** Also, because R2's an important character who canonically hasn't received a memory-wipe since sometime before ''The Phantom Menace''.



** I don't think Jedi become masters just because their Padawans have become knights, do they? Ki-Adi-Mundi was still a Jedi Knight by Episode one, surely he's trained a padawan or two. Besides, there's no reason why they can't kill her off. She was written in to highlight Anakin's maturity (however slight) between Episode Two and Three. If she gets killed off, it reinforces his "I need to save everyone" belief, making his fall to protect Padmé multi-layered.
** It isn't automatic. Probably the strongest expression of the idea that [[EarnYourFun it has to be earned]] is that Anakin is elevated to the Jedi Council in Episode III, but he is point-blank refused the rank of master -- in a situation where ordinarily membership of the Jedi Council carries the rank of master almost as of right.
** Also note that Ahsoka is far too young to become a Jedi Knight. I don't know what the general age is, but 11-14 just seems way too young. Anakin didn't become a knight until his early twenties and even then, that was because there were limited numbers of Jedi and because he was the Chosen One. Obi-Wan didn't become a knight until he was in his thirties and considering he was decently skilled, I imagine he is more the rule than the exception. And since the Clone Wars series only covers what happened up to the start of episode 3, at which point the Order is destroyed, we can assume Ahsoka will definitely not be achieving knighthood. She's most likely either going to die ([[TheScrappy hopefully]]), or go into hiding.
** Obi-Wan was knighted at the end of ''ThePhantomMenace'' - I don't know how old he was supposed to be, but I don't think he was in his thirties. I've seen people mention the "training a padawan = Jedi Master" claim before, and I'm sure there's some EU text that backs that up (which is contradicted by some other EU text), but the only evidence I've seen anyone actually produce is that padawans refer to the Jedi who trains them as "master." But if memory serves, Obi-wan gets assigned Anakin as his padawan almost immediately after being knighted. Since Anakin would have then started calling him "master," and he presumably didn't become a Jedi Master the same day he became a Jedi Knight, I think that proves that having your padawan refer to you as "master" is not the same as being a Jedi Master. Just like having a waiter call you "sir" when he takes your order at a restaurant doesn't mean you've been knighted by the queen of England.

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** I don't think Jedi become masters just because their Padawans have become knights, do they? Ki-Adi-Mundi was still a Jedi Knight by Episode one, One, surely he's trained a padawan or two. Besides, there's no reason why they can't kill her off. She was written in to highlight Anakin's maturity (however slight) between Episode Two and Three. If she gets killed off, it reinforces his "I need to save everyone" belief, making his fall to protect Padmé multi-layered.
** It isn't automatic. Probably the strongest expression of the idea that [[EarnYourFun it has to be earned]] is that Anakin is elevated to the Jedi Council in Episode III, but he is point-blank refused the rank of master -- in a situation where ordinarily membership of the Jedi Council carries the rank of master almost as of a right.
** Also note that Ahsoka is far too young to become a Jedi Knight. I don't know what the general age is, but 11-14 just seems way too young. Anakin didn't become a knight until his early twenties and even then, that was because there were limited numbers of Jedi and because he was the Chosen One. Obi-Wan didn't become a knight until he was in his thirties and considering he was decently skilled, I imagine he is more the rule than the exception. And since the ''The Clone Wars series Wars'' only covers what happened up to the start of episode 3, at which point the Order is destroyed, we can assume Ahsoka will definitely not be achieving knighthood. She's most likely either going to die ([[TheScrappy hopefully]]), or go into hiding.
** Obi-Wan was knighted at the end of ''ThePhantomMenace'' - ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'' -- I don't know how old he was supposed to be, but I don't think he was in his thirties. I've seen people mention the "training a padawan = Jedi Master" claim before, and I'm sure there's some EU text that backs that up (which is contradicted by some other EU text), but the only evidence I've seen anyone actually produce is that padawans refer to the Jedi who trains them as "master." "master". But if memory serves, Obi-wan Obi-Wan gets assigned Anakin as his padawan almost immediately after being knighted. Since Anakin would have then started calling him "master," "master", and he presumably didn't become a Jedi Master the same day he became a Jedi Knight, I think that proves that having your padawan refer to you as "master" is not the same as being a Jedi Master. Just like having a waiter call you "sir" when he takes your order at a restaurant doesn't mean you've been knighted by the queen of England.



** I think there may be complications if a padawan "washes out" after a certain point. It'd be a little risky to have someone who can craft lightsabers outside of the order, even considering the fact that only force-sensitives can uses lightsabers, not to mention, outside of the regimented structure of the order there are a lot more temptations to turn to the Dark Side.
** The Jedi don't force people to stay in the Order. Look at Jolee from KnightsOfTheOldRepublic. Or Count Dooku himself was known as one of the Lost Twenty. Knights who had for one reason or another, left the Jedi Order, but had parted ways on more or less good terms.

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** I think there may be complications if a padawan "washes out" after a certain point. It'd be a little risky to have someone who can craft lightsabers outside of the order, even considering the fact that only force-sensitives Force-sensitives can uses lightsabers, not to mention, outside of the regimented structure of the order there are a lot more temptations to turn to the Dark Side.
** The Jedi don't force people to stay in the Order. Look at Jolee from KnightsOfTheOldRepublic. Or ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic''. Count Dooku himself was known as one of the Lost Twenty. Knights who had for one reason or another, left the Jedi Order, but had parted ways on more or less good terms.



** It's not a contradiction, because I didn't say that his son was stolen from him, I said that he was separated from his son against his will. Which is what happened; the Jedi said "Hey, can we train your son?" Lorn said "Okay, sure." The Jedi said "Great, he's a padawan now. That means you have to get the hell out of here and never see him again. You're fired." Lorn said "WHAT?! You never said anything about that! You bastards!" Paraphrasing, obviously. The Jedi got him to agree to something he'd never have agreed to if he knew the catch, the catch being that he could never see his kid again, which qualifies as being separated from his son against his will. As for "out of control psychics who can kill you with their minds", I can't see how that could possibly happen if nobody trained them. Luke was strong as hell in the Force, but he was never able to actually USE it until Obi-Wan taught him how. As for an example of an evil Force-sensitive: [[http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Garyn#Early_life Alexi Garyn]]. He could have been a Jedi if they accepted him, and he actually wanted to be, but when he approached them they were like "No, sorry, you're too old now. Go away." So Garyn became a crime lord. I haven't read the comic book itself, but from what it says of Garyn it doesn't look like he was going around Force choking people all the time, and that was because he didn't have the training. It certainly wasn't out of any reluctance to kill people. So Force-sensitives are not a threat to anybody if they are never taught how to harness the Force.

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** It's not a contradiction, because I didn't say that his son was stolen from him, I said that he was separated from his son against his will. Which is what happened; the Jedi said "Hey, can we train your son?" Lorn said "Okay, sure." The Jedi said "Great, he's a padawan now. That means you have to get the hell out of here and never see him again. You're fired." Lorn said "WHAT?! You never said anything about that! You bastards!" Paraphrasing, obviously. The Jedi got him to agree to something he'd never have agreed to if he knew the catch, the catch being that he could never see his kid again, which qualifies as being separated from his son against his will. As for "out of control psychics who can kill you with their minds", I can't see how that could possibly happen if nobody trained them. Luke was strong as hell in the Force, but he was never able to actually USE it until Obi-Wan taught him how. As for an example of an evil Force-sensitive: [[http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Garyn#Early_life Alexi Garyn]]. He could have been a Jedi if they accepted him, and he actually wanted to be, but when he approached them they were like "No, sorry, you're too old now. Go away." So Garyn became a crime lord. I haven't read the comic book itself, but from what it says of Garyn it doesn't look like he was going around Force choking Force-choking people all the time, and that was because he didn't have the training. It certainly wasn't out of any reluctance to kill people. So Force-sensitives are not a threat to anybody if they are never taught how to harness the Force.



** Training multiple Padawans successfully to the rank of Knight.
** Taking a modified version of the Knight Trials in order to achieve the rank of Master.
** Gaining recognition of their service for the Republic.

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** *** Training multiple Padawans successfully to the rank of Knight.
** *** Taking a modified version of the Knight Trials in order to achieve the rank of Master.
** *** Gaining recognition of their service for the Republic.



** Some holocrons are inhabited by the essences/spirits of past Jedi or Sith, called the 'gatekeepers'. They can sense who's a Jedi and who isn't, and are unlikely to impart any knowledge to someone who doesn't fill the criteria of an authorized user.

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** Some holocrons are inhabited by the essences/spirits of past Jedi or Sith, called the 'gatekeepers'."gatekeepers". They can sense who's a Jedi and who isn't, and are unlikely to impart any knowledge to someone who doesn't fill the criteria of an authorized user.



* In ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'', there was a huge battle between the Gungans and the Droids. Roman-style formation battle, there was one huge force field over the Gungan army, and each Gungan also had his own smaller shield. however, while the giant transporting vehicles did not enter the forcefield, the droids did. So you think, "OK, battledroids can walk through force fields". That makes the droids interesting. However, in ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'', in one episode with "Lurmen" (Anthropromorphic Lemurs) you clearly saw Anakin, Ahsoka, Aayla Secura and some clones walk through the force field just as easily as the Droids did with no problem. So, what this means is that Force Fields can stop lasers, energy weapons and presumably Lightsabres, and if these are the very same force fields as the Gungan subs they can also keep out gasses and liquids, but Metal and Flesh can go through them easily So, since we have all these force fields specifically designed to withstand plasma and energy based weapons but nothing solid, why not just use bullets? Or swords? Or circular saws? Seriously, this calls into question the very existence of blasters and any kind of long-range non-projectile weapons! Suddenly [[http://www.cracked.com/article_16983_11-most-retarded-fictional-weapons.html Chewie's crossbow]] doesn't seem so bad, does it?
** Uuuuuuuuuuugh. This is such a common misunderstanding... Okay, here's how ''Franchise/StarWars'' shields work. Fast moving objects can't pass through it. Floating vehicles cannot either. To get through, you need to be moving ''slowly''. It depends on the type of shield, too. Space-born shields are completely impervious to both slow-and-fast moving physical objects, and need to be battered down with sheer firepower. Ground-based shields can't have this property though, because otherwise the shield would ''burn into the ground''. Incidentally, the beams the tanks were firing in that scene had physical components; you can see this from the explosions, which have shrapnel. Bullets, shells and other shrapnel would not be able to pass through shields, because they are moving too fast. Understand?

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* In ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'', there was a huge battle between the Gungans and the Droids. Roman-style formation battle, there was one huge force field over the Gungan army, and each Gungan also had his own smaller shield. however, while the giant transporting vehicles did not enter the forcefield, force field, the droids did. So you think, "OK, battledroids battle droids can walk through force fields". That makes the droids interesting. However, in ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'', in one episode with "Lurmen" (Anthropromorphic Lemurs) you clearly saw Anakin, Ahsoka, Aayla Secura and some clones walk through the force field just as easily as the Droids droids did with no problem. So, what this means is that Force Fields force fields can stop lasers, energy weapons and presumably Lightsabres, lightsabers, and if these are the very same force fields as the Gungan subs they can also keep out gasses and liquids, but Metal and Flesh can go through them easily So, since we have all these force fields specifically designed to withstand plasma and energy based weapons but nothing solid, why not just use bullets? Or swords? Or circular saws? Seriously, this calls into question the very existence of blasters and any kind of long-range non-projectile weapons! Suddenly [[http://www.cracked.com/article_16983_11-most-retarded-fictional-weapons.html Chewie's crossbow]] doesn't seem so bad, does it?
** Uuuuuuuuuuugh. This is such a common misunderstanding... Okay, here's how ''Franchise/StarWars'' shields work. Fast moving objects can't pass through it. Floating vehicles cannot either. To get through, you need to be moving ''slowly''. It depends on the type of shield, too. Space-born shields are completely impervious to both slow-and-fast moving physical objects, and need to be battered down with sheer firepower. Ground-based shields can't have this property property, though, because otherwise the shield would ''burn into the ground''. Incidentally, the beams the tanks were firing in that scene had physical components; you can see this from the explosions, which have shrapnel. Bullets, shells and other shrapnel would not be able to pass through shields, because they are moving too fast. Understand?



** Also, ''Wookie Bowcasters are not crossbows''. They're ''a type of blaster'' hand-crafted by Wookies.

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** Also, ''Wookie ''Wookiee Bowcasters are not crossbows''. They're ''a type of blaster'' hand-crafted by Wookies.Wookiees.



* Was anyone else seriously bothered by the scene where Obi-Wan, Anakin, and Mace Windu essentially mind rape Cad Bane to try and get some information out of him? Windu already had a habit of toying with the Dark Side, and Anakin was pretty tainted himself, but shouldn't Obi-Wan at the least have said "Hey, this is some seriously Sith-like mojo we're doing here." Extenuating circumstances or not, there ought to be at least one or two lines that Jedi just don't cross.

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* Was anyone else seriously bothered by the scene where Obi-Wan, Anakin, and Mace Windu essentially mind rape Cad Bane to try and get some information out of him? Windu already had a habit of toying with the Dark Side, and Anakin was pretty tainted himself, but shouldn't Obi-Wan at the least have said "Hey, this is some seriously Sith-like mojo we're doing here." here?" Extenuating circumstances or not, there ought to be at least one or two lines that Jedi just don't cross.



** If Yoda did know, what could he do? "Fired from the Jedi Order are you"? Not only would they lose one of their best generals in the middle of a war (not to mention a PR disaster) it would push Anakin very close to the dark side. I would think that would come to a "no good options" situation.

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** If Yoda did know, what could he do? "Fired from the Jedi Order are you"? Not only would they lose one of their best generals in the middle of a war (not to mention a PR disaster) it would push Anakin very close to the dark side.Dark Side. I would think that would come to a "no good options" situation.



* Did they extend how long the clone wars lasted (3 years) without telling anyone, because those kids that Cut Lawquane and Suu had look like 5-ish.
** Those kids were obviously from a previous relationship. Not that what the kids look like means much when they're near-humans.
** Or, in the case of the kids, Cut's sped up aging could be genetic. Those kids might only be two, because they didn't look much older than four.
** No, those kids were fathered by Suu's first husband. Cut's their stepfather.



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* Did they extend how long the Clone Wars lasted (3 years) without telling anyone, because those kids that Cut Lawquane and Suu had look like 5-ish.
** Those kids were obviously from a previous relationship. Not that what the kids look like means much when they're near-humans.
** Or, in the case of the kids, Cut's sped up aging could be genetic. Those kids might only be two, because they didn't look much older than four.
** No, those kids were fathered by Suu's first husband. Cut's their stepfather.
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-->'''Narrator''': Diabolical defeat! Though Republic victories outnumber their losses, Jedi have been unable to stop Separatist advances in the Outer Rim!

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-->'''Narrator''': -->'''Narrator:''' Diabolical defeat! Though Republic victories outnumber their losses, Jedi have been unable to stop Separatist advances in the Outer Rim!



** I have also noticed that all droids have horrible accuracy, which does not make sense, as any piece of crap computer running a pirated version of Windows98 could at least hit a moving target with 65-90% accuracy, which of course, makes me wonder why even the more advanced droids can't shoot very well.
** The one thing I understand least about the CIS's strategies is the fact that they never use cover or anything else, in fact, they stay in perfect parade formation at all times like fish in a damn barrel. To make things worse, they don't even bother to disperse or take cover when they get struck with artillery, and their underpowered tanks don't help much either. It does not matter how many units you have if they all have the reflexes of a dead man, the mobility of a wind-up toy, and the strategic skills of most of the Xbox live community.
** The guide to Season 1 says that a lot of the droids are re-purposed B1s from the TPM era which didn't react very well to having independent droid brains installed. There's a lot of stuff that doesn't explain, like why that seems to be the case with droids fresh off the assembly line, or why these modified droids seem to be the only ones we see, or why they would bother continuing this method if it makes all the droids act like Film/TheThreeStooges rejects, but that's what it says.
** Not independent brain? So they are controlled from somewhere - makes sense given the battle of Naboo but why the bad guys don't know immediately that they were destroyed with the last 5 minutes of transmission?
** No, they do have independent brains--they were installed after Naboo. The reason why they're so dumb is because the droid bodies didn't react very well to having brains.
** Basically, this can be chalked off to the [[RuleOfFunny Rule Of Funny]]. Remember Episode 1 of the prequel trilogy? The B1s were connected to a main computer, but they were still superior to an army of Gungans. Attack of the Clones still had them as fairly competent robot soldiers achieving victory by overwhelming the opponent with sheer numbers. B1 security droids are still able to arrest Anakin and Obi-Wan in Revenge of the Sith, albeit briefly, but in The Clone Wars? BAM! They're forgetting orders, crashing into each other and ''just screwing up''. The reason is because now they have to get chopped up for comic relief, because The Clone Wars is a series marketed at 5-year-olds to sell toys.

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** I have also noticed that all droids have horrible accuracy, which does not make sense, as any piece of crap computer running a pirated version of Windows98 Windows 98 could at least hit a moving target with 65-90% accuracy, which of course, makes me wonder why even the more advanced droids can't shoot very well.
** The one thing I understand least about the CIS's CIS' strategies is the fact that they never use cover or anything else, in fact, they stay in perfect parade formation at all times like fish in a damn barrel. To make things worse, they don't even bother to disperse or take cover when they get struck with artillery, and their underpowered tanks don't help much either. It does not matter how many units you have if they all have the reflexes of a dead man, the mobility of a wind-up toy, and the strategic skills of most of the Xbox live community.
** The guide to Season 1 says that a lot of the droids are re-purposed B1s from the TPM era era, which didn't react very well to having independent droid brains installed. There's a lot of stuff that doesn't explain, like why that seems to be the case with droids fresh off the assembly line, or why these modified droids seem to be the only ones we see, or why they would bother continuing this method if it makes all the droids act like Film/TheThreeStooges rejects, but that's what it says.
** Not independent brain? So they are controlled from somewhere - -- makes sense given the battle of Naboo but why the bad guys don't know immediately that they were destroyed with the last 5 minutes of transmission?
** No, they do have independent brains--they brains -- they were installed after Naboo. The reason why they're so dumb is because the droid bodies didn't react very well to having brains.
** Basically, this can be chalked off to the [[RuleOfFunny Rule Of Funny]].RuleOfFunny. Remember Episode 1 of the prequel trilogy? The B1s were connected to a main computer, but they were still superior to an army of Gungans. Attack of the Clones still had them as fairly competent robot soldiers achieving victory by overwhelming the opponent with sheer numbers. B1 security droids are still able to arrest Anakin and Obi-Wan in Revenge ''Revenge of the Sith, Sith'', albeit briefly, but in The ''The Clone Wars? Wars''? BAM! They're forgetting orders, crashing into each other and ''just screwing up''. The reason is because now they have to get chopped up for comic relief, because The ''The Clone Wars Wars'' is a series marketed at 5-year-olds to sell toys.



* The clones are pretty much human warriors trained to their fullest potential. They have individual thought and minds of their own and judging by their different hair styles and armor modifications, try to establish themselves as individuals. Yet, they all see themselves as expendable and that, when the fighting is done, they can be left for dead if need be. This is something real life human warriors sometimes start to feel and in its wake, it usually results in depression, self-destructive behavior, and sometimes suicide. It is against general human nature to put yourself in harm’s way without there being a chance that you will make it through it and that your life is worth something more (for most people anyway). With the notion of being expendable ingrained into them from “birth” and with their emotions being human, one wonders why the Republic Army doesn't suffer from significantly high suicide rates as well as clones suffering from the crushing depression their eventual fate entails. If their purpose is to die in battle than what do the clones have to live for? Or better yet, what do they have to die for?

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* The clones are pretty much human warriors trained to their fullest potential. They have individual thought thoughts and minds of their own own, and judging by their different hair styles hairstyles and armor modifications, try to establish themselves as individuals. Yet, they all see themselves as expendable and that, when the fighting is done, they can be left for dead if need be. This is something real life human warriors sometimes start to feel and in its wake, it usually results in depression, self-destructive behavior, and sometimes suicide. It is against general human nature to put yourself in harm’s way without there being a chance that you will make it through it and that your life is worth something more (for most people anyway). With the notion of being expendable ingrained into them from “birth” and with their emotions being human, one wonders why the Republic Army doesn't suffer from significantly high suicide rates as well as clones suffering from the crushing depression their eventual fate entails. If their purpose is to die in battle than what do the clones have to live for? Or better yet, what do they have to die for?



** Why do they bother to save each other then? If they die, that was what they were supposed to do. The clones have a depressing existence. I'm wondering how they prevent themselves from seeing it all as futile and succumbing to depression when a lot of humans would.

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** Why do they bother to save each other other, then? If they die, that was what they were supposed to do. The clones have a depressing existence. I'm wondering how they prevent themselves from seeing it all as futile and succumbing to depression when a lot of humans would.



** The EU books say that the troopers, being raised in a completely military world isolated from the rest of the galaxy, and spend most of their time outside fighting a war, can't really fathom what they're missing. It's like not having eaten candy you're entire life. Once you've tried it, you'll want more, but since you haven't, you really don't know what there is to enjoy about it. The books say that given a choice, clone troopers would rather stay in the army and live a life they're familiar with (or rather, the life they have flash-trained into their minds), fighting for "the glory of the Republic", because the point is ''they just don't know what they're missing that all of us take for granted.''

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** The EU books say that the troopers, being raised in a completely military world isolated from the rest of the galaxy, and spend most of their time outside fighting a war, can't really fathom what they're missing. It's like not having eaten candy you're your entire life. Once you've tried it, you'll want more, but since you haven't, you really don't know what there is to enjoy about it. The books say that given a choice, clone troopers would rather stay in the army and live a life they're familiar with (or rather, the life they have flash-trained into their minds), fighting for "the glory of the Republic", because the point is ''they just don't know what they're missing that all of us take for granted.''



** [[BigBad The guy who commissioned them and ordered the process be done? Well]] ''[[BigBad duh]]'', the only reason he didn't is that Vader tossed him down a reactor shaft. The Kaminoans? I suspect BlueAndOrangeMorality and WhatMeasureIsANonHuman is involved for them- remember, they're among the least human, mentally, of the Star Wars aliens, from what little we saw. And the best isn't the CIS ''or'' the Old Republic (especially considering that the CIS were all about Big Business Tyranny, and both were patsies of evil that were waay too easy for a villain to hijack- robots can be hacked), the best kind of army is the kind fielded by the New Republic and the GFFA- ordinary real everyday people with training. That's the only way you're going to get ace pilots, camaraderie, and outside-the-box thinking anyways, to say nothing of loyalty to ''ideas'' rather than manipulable programming. Remember, ''the clones were just as much an evil Palpantine plot as the CIS''.

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** [[BigBad The guy who commissioned them and ordered the process be done? Well]] ''[[BigBad duh]]'', the only reason he didn't is that Vader tossed him down a reactor shaft. The Kaminoans? I suspect BlueAndOrangeMorality and WhatMeasureIsANonHuman is involved for them- remember, they're among the least human, mentally, of the Star Wars ''Star Wars'' aliens, from what little we saw. And the best isn't the CIS ''or'' the Old Republic (especially considering that the CIS were all about Big Business Tyranny, and both were patsies of evil that were waay too easy for a villain to hijack- hijack -- robots can be hacked), the best kind of army is the kind fielded by the New Republic and the GFFA- GFFA -- ordinary real everyday people with training. That's the only way you're going to get ace pilots, camaraderie, and outside-the-box thinking anyways, to say nothing of loyalty to ''ideas'' rather than manipulable programming. Remember, ''the clones were just as much an evil Palpantine Palpatine plot as the CIS''.



** You're probably right and she's a different race of Togruta, but the puberty thing is disproved by a youngling extra in Attack Of The Clones. (Her name was Ashla, I believe, which is very close to Ahsoka, but that's an [[WildMassGuessing entry for another page]] )

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** You're probably right and she's a different race of Togruta, but the puberty thing is disproved by a youngling extra in Attack Of The Clones.''Attack of the Clones''. (Her name was Ashla, I believe, which is very close to Ahsoka, but that's an [[WildMassGuessing entry for another page]] )



* Seriously, what's up with the Mandalorians in this series? Throughout the entire Star Wars universe Mandalorians are [[BadassNormal Badass Normal]] characters like Jango and Boba Fett from Attack of the Clones and The Empire Strikes Back respectively, Canderous Ordo from Knights of the Old Republic, and most characters from the Karen Traviss novels, but in The Clone Wars the three-part episode putting Mandalorians in the spotlight portrayed them as ''pacifists''. What used to be a tough, gritty and resourceful warrior race was reduced to a bunch of space hippies represented by a Jedi-dating woman with an elaborate-yet-impractical hairdo sitting in a fancy room pleading for the Republic Senate to respond to her pleas for help. I know [[WordOfGod Word Of God]] says that Lucas's original vision for Mandalorians was more like this but you can't just throw all continuity out the window to realize his vision. At least the pacifists are all [[DoomedByCanon Doomed By Canon]].
** Plus this portrayal of Mandalorians indirectly led to Karen Traviss's refusal to write the last book of the Republic/Imperial Commando series.

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* Seriously, what's up with the Mandalorians in this series? Throughout the entire Star Wars ''Star Wars'' universe Mandalorians are [[BadassNormal Badass Normal]] characters like Jango and Boba Fett from Attack ''Attack of the Clones Clones'' and The ''The Empire Strikes Back Back'' respectively, Canderous Ordo from Knights ''Knights of the Old Republic, Republic'', and most characters from the Karen Traviss novels, but in The ''The Clone Wars Wars'' the three-part episode putting Mandalorians in the spotlight portrayed them as ''pacifists''. What used to be a tough, gritty and resourceful warrior race was reduced to a bunch of space hippies represented by a Jedi-dating woman with an elaborate-yet-impractical hairdo sitting in a fancy room pleading for the Republic Senate to respond to her pleas for help. I know [[WordOfGod Word Of God]] says that Lucas's original vision for Mandalorians was more like this but you can't just throw all continuity out the window to realize his vision. At least the pacifists are all [[DoomedByCanon Doomed By Canon]].
** Plus this portrayal of Mandalorians indirectly led to Karen Traviss's Traviss' refusal to write the last book of the Republic/Imperial Commando series.



** Okay, maybe he ''can'', but that doesn't necessarily mean he ''should''. When Lucas contradicts canon like that it's kind of a slap in the face to anybody who liked those earlier stories. I originally got into the EU books because ''LucasFilm itself'' touted them as the canonical sequels to the original trilogy, which I took to be just as good as WordOfGod. Years later, after I'd bought dozens of novels and become just as emotionally invested in those stories as I had been in the movies, Lucas goes and makes prequels which contradict a lot of the EU stuff, as if to say "Those stories you liked so much? Never happened as far as I'm concerned." I don't agree with Traviss on everything (such as her belief that Force-sensitives shouldn't be allowed to fall in love, or the fact that she's responsible for one of my favourite characters getting killed off), but I don't blame her one bit for walking away from the EU. What's the point of writing stories and fleshing out a culture if your work can just be undone and shit on like that?

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** Okay, maybe he ''can'', but that doesn't necessarily mean he ''should''. When Lucas contradicts canon like that it's kind of a slap in the face to anybody who liked those earlier stories. I originally got into the EU books because ''LucasFilm ''Lucasfilm itself'' touted them as the canonical sequels to the original trilogy, which I took to be just as good as WordOfGod. Years later, after I'd bought dozens of novels and become just as emotionally invested in those stories as I had been in the movies, Lucas goes and makes prequels which contradict a lot of the EU stuff, as if to say "Those stories you liked so much? Never happened as far as I'm concerned." I don't agree with Traviss on everything (such as her belief that Force-sensitives shouldn't be allowed to fall in love, or the fact that she's responsible for one of my favourite characters getting killed off), but I don't blame her one bit for walking away from the EU. What's the point of writing stories and fleshing out a culture if your work can just be undone and shit on like that?



** ...it's not a "rulers of the planet who were deposed later" thing, it was a cultural shift over a thousand years of peace. Deathwatch romanticizes the old warrior ways and wish to bring Mandalore back to its former glory.

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** ...it's not a "rulers of the planet who were deposed later" thing, it was a cultural shift over a thousand years of peace. Deathwatch Death Watch romanticizes the old warrior ways and wish wishes to bring Mandalore back to its former glory.



** It's just weird, because you have Clan Skirata's brand of pacifism, where Mandalorians keep their armor, honor code and other warrior traditions, but will only fight for their own cause, to protect themselves instead of being just thugs for hire, which Boba Fett uses as Mandalore's foreign policy in the Legacy of the Force novels. And then you have Duchess Satine's brand of pacifism, which is to dress up nice, sit put, and completely refuse to fight ''at all'', relying on the government for help and support. Even if Mandalore switched foreign policy that doesn't mean that they'd instantly lose all their military background and gritty resourcefulness seen in the non-The-Clone-Wars EU. From what we see in the books Mandalorians are practical and... well, have you seen her outfits? She's still a ''Mandalorian'', not the queen of freaking Naboo.

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** It's just weird, because you have Clan Skirata's brand of pacifism, where Mandalorians keep their armor, honor code and other warrior traditions, but will only fight for their own cause, to protect themselves instead of being just thugs for hire, which Boba Fett uses as Mandalore's foreign policy in the Legacy ''Legacy of the Force Force'' novels. And then you have Duchess Satine's brand of pacifism, which is to dress up nice, sit put, and completely refuse to fight ''at all'', relying on the government for help and support. Even if Mandalore switched foreign policy that doesn't mean that they'd instantly lose all their military background and gritty resourcefulness seen in the non-The-Clone-Wars EU. From what we see in the books Mandalorians are practical and... well, have you seen her outfits? She's still a ''Mandalorian'', not the queen of freaking Naboo.



** Obi-Wan ''does'' mention that the Queen has a bit of a "My Way or the highway" attitude, and it's entirely possible that she's trying to enforce the major pacifism thing so that it doesn't just get tossed aside. The fact the Mandalorians had gone through a whole civil war which killed her family only twenty years prior doesn't help. She probably wants to avoid another.

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** Obi-Wan ''does'' mention that the Queen Duchess has a bit of a "My Way or the highway" attitude, and it's entirely possible that she's trying to enforce the major pacifism thing so that it doesn't just get tossed aside. The fact the Mandalorians had gone through a whole civil war which killed her family only twenty years prior doesn't help. She probably wants to avoid another.



* The mention of the clones being possible victims of slavery FromACertainPointOfView reminds me of something that's bugged me about Old Republic Jedi. Remember the "Children Of The Force" arc, where they had infants who couldn't even speak (let alone make life decisions) scheduled to be taken to the Jedi Temple? Think about it: we are talking about people giving up their babies, and having those babies told what to do and what to think and what to feel from then on. Luke ''chose'' to be a Jedi, but with these babies that choice is taken away from them. And are they even allowed to see their parents after they begin Jedi training? If so, would they ''remember'' their parents at all?

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* The mention of the clones being possible victims of slavery FromACertainPointOfView reminds me of something that's bugged me about Old Republic Jedi. Remember the "Children Of The of the Force" arc, where they had infants who couldn't even speak (let alone make life decisions) scheduled to be taken to the Jedi Temple? Think about it: we are talking about people giving up their babies, and having those babies told what to do and what to think and what to feel from then on. Luke ''chose'' to be a Jedi, but with these babies that choice is taken away from them. And are they even allowed to see their parents after they begin Jedi training? If so, would they ''remember'' their parents at all?



** This is a commonly mentioned moral failing of the Jedi. What I find odd is that in KOTOR the Jedi were allowed to have children, family, and loved ones but later they got rid of this despite the light side exile who canonically rebuilt the Jedi order did have a love interest.

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** This is a commonly mentioned moral failing of the Jedi. What I find odd is that in KOTOR the Jedi were allowed to have children, family, and loved ones but later they got rid of this despite the light side exile Light Side Exile who canonically rebuilt the Jedi order did have having a love interest.



* The "R2 missing"-two-parter of season one has quite a few things that I can't really understand: 1. How did R2 go missing exactly? He probably stayed in the starfighter for some time but he can just eject himself and safely fly to the republic ships. Based on how fast he gets up during the end of the episodes when Anakin finally gets him back it shouldn't have taken him that long to get to the cruiser and he could have surely outrun the Vultures Claw, R2 is very small and the Claw is very slow because Gha Nachkt doesn't want to collide with some of the garbage. 2. What was R2s escape plan when he first tried to get away? He just went out of the cockpit and was promptly chased by the assassin droid that he trapped in the airlock and let out. R2 could have easily himself exit the ship through the airlock and then flown away from the ship or did he search for another way out? An escape pod would only be fast in the short run, R2 seems to being able to hold himself longer. 3. What was R3s mission exactly? As far as I see it he was only out to kill Anakin. So, why didn't he just set Anakin's fighter at the end of part 1 to collide with a star or a moon? Why did he go through all this trouble of letting the Vulture Droids shoot him down? Anakin even pointed out R3 would be destroyed, too, if the fighter explodes.

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* The "R2 missing"-two-parter of season one has quite a few things that I can't really understand: 1. How did R2 go missing exactly? He probably stayed in the starfighter for some time but he can just eject himself and safely fly to the republic Republic ships. Based on how fast he gets up during the end of the episodes when Anakin finally gets him back it shouldn't have taken him that long to get to the cruiser and he could have surely outrun the Vultures Claw, ''Vulture Claw'', R2 is very small and the Claw ''Claw'' is very slow because Gha Nachkt doesn't want to collide with some of the garbage. 2. What was R2s R2's escape plan when he first tried to get away? He just went out of the cockpit and was promptly chased by the assassin droid that he trapped in the airlock and let out. R2 could have easily himself exit the ship through the airlock and then flown away from the ship or did he search for another way out? An escape pod would only be fast in the short run, R2 seems to being able to hold himself longer. 3. What was R3s R3's mission exactly? As far as I see it he was only out to kill Anakin. So, why didn't he just set Anakin's fighter at the end of part 1 to collide with a star or a moon? Why did he go through all this trouble of letting the Vulture Droids shoot him down? Anakin even pointed out R3 would be destroyed, too, if the fighter explodes.explodes.
** Point 1: Anakin's starfighter was struck by shrapnel from an exploding Separatist ship, leading to damage. We don't know exactly what happened because Anakin was knocked unconscious by an explosion caused by the shrapnel, but I assume that Rex was somewhat more focussed on rescuing Anakin (who, one recalls, wasn't wearing a spacesuit) than grabbing the droid -- although it ''is'' a somewhat odd lapse of judgement for him.
** Point 2: No, R2 probably couldn't have outrun the ''Vulture Claw''. We only see it moving slowly in the debris field because Gha Nachkt is combing the battlefield for salvage. Hell, the ship probably has a tractor beam. As for R2's escape plan, he was probably intending to send the Republic fleet a transmission with his location, but he was caught before he could do anything.
** Point 3: R3 was a spy, simple as that -- he just wasn't a very ''good'' one. According to AllThereInTheManual he was reprogrammed to be a spy by Separatist spies at a Republic facility. Thing is, his insistence on ObfuscatingStupidity winds up impeding his mission.



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* Why does the show ignore that Magna Guards have mechanism that when their head gets cut off the automatically turn on their third eye on the chest? Anakin and Ahsoka beheaded them quite often during the show with them shutting down right at the moment. EVEN the goddamned guides specifically made to promote the show give this information although the show ignores it.
** FridgeLogic: Perhaps that's specifically WHY the feature was added? Or perhaps auxiliary combat damaged impaired the systems? Further brilliance suggests that they may of not put it in the torso because where do you think a slash from a lightsaber is more likely to go, the head or the torso, based on size ratio? Presume the Jedi is capable of getting past the MagnaGuard's electrostaff defenses for this scenario.

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* Why does the show ignore that Magna Guards [=MagnaGuards=] have mechanism that when their head gets cut off the automatically turn on their third eye on the chest? Anakin and Ahsoka beheaded them quite often during the show with them shutting down right at the moment. EVEN the goddamned guides specifically made to promote the show give this information although the show ignores it.
** FridgeLogic: Perhaps that's specifically WHY the feature was added? Or perhaps auxiliary combat damaged impaired the systems? Further brilliance suggests that they may of not put it in the torso because where do you think a slash from a lightsaber is more likely to go, the head or the torso, based on size ratio? Presume the Jedi is capable of getting past the MagnaGuard's [=MagnaGuard's=] electrostaff defenses for this scenario.



* Why on earth did Palpatine think it was a good idea to bring the Zillo beast to Coruscant for study? Could he honestly not see the possibility of it breaking free? Would it really have been so hard to take it to an uninhabited planet and study it there, minimizing the risks? Seriously, while this show has improved a little, it really does mess up the characters an awful lot. Palpatine may be evil and devious, but he's not stupid. Yet the writers turned him into an idiot just to have a Godzilla episode.
** Perhaps he ''intended'' for the Zillo beast to escape? A little more chaos and danger to keep the populace cowed and paranoid and ever more susceptible to manipulation?

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* Why on earth did Palpatine think it was a good idea to bring the Zillo beast Beast to Coruscant for study? Could he honestly not see the possibility of it breaking free? Would it really have been so hard to take it to an uninhabited planet and study it there, minimizing the risks? Seriously, while this show has improved a little, it really does mess up the characters an awful lot. Palpatine may be evil and devious, but he's not stupid. Yet the writers turned him into an idiot just to have a Godzilla episode.
** Perhaps he ''intended'' for the Zillo beast Beast to escape? A little more chaos and danger to keep the populace cowed and paranoid and ever more susceptible to manipulation?manipulation?
** Palpatine is incredibly arrogant and selfish, does not believe the Beast is sentient, and wants the durability of the Beast's scales investigated.



* In ''Attack of the Clones'' Jar-Jar is a sub-senator and is not as absent-minded as he was in ''The Phantom Menace''. His proposition in the senate is appreciated and even helps the chancellor. Why is he a dumbass again in this show, which starts AFTER Episode II?
** I'm guessing it's because Lucas thought "Oh, well most ''adults'' hated him, but this show is explicitly for ''kids'' (despite people being stabbed and set on fire and such), and I bet all the ''kids'' will love Jar Jar as a dumbass!" The sad thing is, I'm not sure he's entirely wrong--is there anybody here who was a kid at the time they saw Episode I? What did you think of Jar Jar back then? In any case, as an adult I think it's utterly moronic that anybody would put Binks in a position where he was higher in the chain of command than battle-tested and much more competent clone troopers, as we saw to be the case in "The Gungan General".

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* In ''Attack of the Clones'' Jar-Jar is a sub-senator and is not as absent-minded as he was in ''The Phantom Menace''. His proposition in the senate Senate is appreciated and even helps the chancellor.Chancellor. Why is he a dumbass again in this show, which starts AFTER Episode II?
** I'm guessing it's because Lucas thought "Oh, well most ''adults'' hated him, but this show is explicitly for ''kids'' (despite people being stabbed and set on fire and such), and I bet all the ''kids'' will love Jar Jar as a dumbass!" The sad thing is, I'm not sure he's entirely wrong--is wrong -- is there anybody here who was a kid at the time they saw Episode I? What did you think of Jar Jar back then? In any case, as an adult I think it's utterly moronic that anybody would put Binks in a position where he was higher in the chain of command than battle-tested and much more competent clone troopers, as we saw to be the case in "The Gungan General".



** If you take Jar Jar's actions as ObfuscatingStupidity then ''The Clone Wars'' can be seen as strongly supporting the Darth Jar Jar theory. Jar Jar 'accidentally' destroys her ship with a crane and strands her on a planet overrun with battle droids, as well as 'accidentally' stumbling and knocking out Padme's breathing apparatus, thereby infecting her with the Blue Shadow virus, the most logical conclusion is that Jar Jar is trying to kill off Padme to drive Anakin further into the Dark Side. After all, it's quite clear that a number of events, including the season one finale, were orchestrated by Palpatine for this very reason. Padme's reaction to the first situation implies that it isn't the first time something like that has happened, and Jar Jar also manages to befriend an underwater monster in only a few seconds, to the point that it helps him destroy battle droids and then leaves peacefully. Note that this is a creature that the Separatists describe as being so dangerous that it isn't worth pursuing Jar Jar when he goes underwater.

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** If you take Jar Jar's actions as ObfuscatingStupidity then ''The Clone Wars'' can be seen as strongly supporting the Darth Jar Jar theory. Jar Jar 'accidentally' destroys her ship with a crane and strands her on a planet overrun with battle droids, as well as 'accidentally' stumbling and knocking out Padme's Padmé's breathing apparatus, thereby infecting her with the Blue Shadow virus, the most logical conclusion is that Jar Jar is trying to kill off Padme Padmé to drive Anakin further into the Dark Side. After all, it's quite clear that a number of events, including the season one finale, were orchestrated by Palpatine for this very reason. Padme's Padmé's reaction to the first situation implies that it isn't the first time something like that has happened, and Jar Jar also manages to befriend an underwater monster in only a few seconds, to the point that it helps him destroy battle droids and then leaves peacefully. Note that this is a creature that the Separatists describe as being so dangerous that it isn't worth pursuing Jar Jar when he goes underwater.



* She built it during the TimeSkip halfway through season 3.



* What does [[strike:God]] The Son need with a starship?
** I don't think that planet was an actual physical "place" in the conventional sense, or that it should have been taken as anything more than dream-logic in-the-force-realm allegory for warring wills and such, given the whole "just a dream" ending and having lasted only a moment. Him getting the starship represents the darkside spreading uncontrolled and unrestricted by the heroes, not really an actual individual per se.

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* What does [[strike:God]] The the Son need with a starship?
** I don't think that planet was an actual physical "place" in the conventional sense, or that it should have been taken as anything more than dream-logic in-the-force-realm in-the-Force-realm allegory for warring wills and such, given the whole "just a dream" ending and having lasted only a moment. Him getting the starship represents the darkside spreading uncontrolled and unrestricted by the heroes, not really an actual individual per se.



** I think that's exactly it. The spaceship, though the trio didn't know it, really meant waking up from the dream/trance/force-realm: it's the finish line. If Anakin and the Son left the planet, then Anakin wakes up completely consumed by the Dark Side and, through him, the Son is now loose upon the galaxy. By keeping him from taking off, Obi Wan and Ahsoka kept the metaphysical game going long enough for the Father and Anakin to pull ahead of the Son and win.

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** I think that's exactly it. The spaceship, though the trio didn't know it, really meant waking up from the dream/trance/force-realm: dream/trance/Force-realm: it's the finish line. If Anakin and the Son left the planet, then Anakin wakes up completely consumed by the Dark Side and, through him, the Son is now loose upon the galaxy. By keeping him from taking off, Obi Wan and Ahsoka kept the metaphysical game going long enough for the Father and Anakin to pull ahead of the Son and win.



** On top of that, it ''didn't make any sense'' for him to say that just then. Had Tarkin done anything morally questionable (yet)? Not really. Did the Jedi and clones do anything in this arc that had viewers thinking "[[WhatTheHellHero What The Hell, Hero?!]]" Unless you count needlessly sacrificing the reprogrammed battle droids in a delaying action that gained them all of five seconds (and Obi-Wan [[JustAMachine clearly doesn't]] care about that), no. In other episodes they have, yes; burning Geonosians, torturing Poggle The Lesser, [[MindRape MindRaping]] Cad Bane...Obi-Wan's speech would have fit in just fine in those episodes. In this one, it just seems strange.
** From the documentary in starwars.com, Tarkin is supposed to shoot unarmed Separatists with Anakin and Obi-Wan as a witness. That was vetoed by Lucas. He claimed that it was impossible that both Jedi are going to let it slip. I guess that they didn't think it through when they put in the dialogue.
** You might need to look from Obi-Wan's point of view. During these episodes, Tarkin's 'genius' is nothing more than an informed ability. He has some 'good' arguments, but most of them are just nagging. This makes it possible that he got his rank by being 'friends' with Palpatine only. Therefore, when Obi-wan gave his speech about his honor, he probably means that "It sucks if we constantly need to take order from those bureaucrats who doesn't actually do anything."

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** On top of that, it ''didn't make any sense'' for him to say that just then. Had Tarkin done anything morally questionable (yet)? Not really. Did the Jedi and clones do anything in this arc that had viewers thinking "[[WhatTheHellHero What The Hell, Hero?!]]" Unless you count needlessly sacrificing the reprogrammed battle droids in a delaying action that gained them all of five seconds (and Obi-Wan [[JustAMachine clearly doesn't]] care about that), no. In other episodes they have, yes; burning Geonosians, torturing Poggle The Lesser, [[MindRape MindRaping]] Cad Bane... Obi-Wan's speech would have fit in just fine in those episodes. In this one, it just seems strange.
** From the documentary in starwars.com, Tarkin is was supposed to shoot unarmed Separatists with Anakin and Obi-Wan as a witness. That was vetoed by Lucas. He claimed that it was impossible that both Jedi are going to let it slip. I guess that they didn't think it through when they put in the dialogue.
** You might need to look from Obi-Wan's point of view. During these episodes, Tarkin's 'genius' is nothing more than an informed ability. He has some 'good' arguments, but most of them are just nagging. This makes it possible that he got his rank by being 'friends' with Palpatine only. Therefore, when Obi-wan Obi-Wan gave his speech about his honor, he probably means that "It sucks if we constantly need to take order from those bureaucrats who doesn't actually do anything."



** Ahsoka at least fessed up to Piell, which is supposed to be the point where she realizes she shouldn't have come. She also expected to get ratted out, but Plo Koon isn't that much a stickler to procedure as we've seen. Plus he seemed sympathetic at the beginning. As for not calling Plo on it, Anakin couldn't have, being of lower status, and while Obi-Wan could have, he wouldn't. Obi-Wan has demonstrated before that he generally just goes with the situation, his characterization in Episode 2 notwithstanding.

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** Ahsoka at least fessed up to Piell, which is supposed to be the point where she realizes she shouldn't have come. She also expected to get ratted out, but Plo Koon isn't that much of a stickler to procedure as we've seen. Plus he seemed sympathetic at the beginning. As for not calling Plo on it, Anakin couldn't have, being of lower status, and while Obi-Wan could have, he wouldn't. Obi-Wan has demonstrated before that he generally just goes with the situation, his characterization in Episode 2 notwithstanding.



* In "Senate Spy", Lott Dod is immediately able to produce an antidote for a poison administered to Padmé... they never specified the poison. How would he know what to give her? Couldn't Padme level murder charges against him for this... like, they have direct evidence that he was involved in a plot to kill her, not circumstantial evidence done through minions like he normally does.

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* In "Senate Spy", Lott Dod is immediately able to produce an antidote for a poison administered to Padmé... they never specified the poison. How would he know what to give her? Couldn't Padme Padmé level murder charges against him for this... like, they have direct evidence that he was involved in a plot to kill her, not circumstantial evidence done through minions like he normally does.



** I was bugged by the fact that blasters as well work perfectly fine underwater. I thought they should make special underwater energy weapons (like VideoGame/XCOM2's Gausses and Sonics) or at least a special model of multi-environment blaster.

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** I was bugged by the fact that blasters as well work perfectly fine underwater. I thought they should make special underwater energy weapons (like VideoGame/XCOM2's ''VideoGame/XCOM2'''s Gausses and Sonics) or at least a special model of multi-environment blaster.blaster.
** Actually, the blasters used in the Mon Cala arc are special models designed to work underwater.



** You have to keep in mind that at this point arresting a Jedi for genuine treason is completely unprecedented. Rex and the rest of the troopers never expected to find themselves in this situation, and they don't have time to call for help. They're doing the best they can in a situation they weren't expecting and were understandably somewhat unprepared for.

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** You have to keep in mind that at this point arresting a Jedi for genuine treason is completely unprecedented. Rex and the rest of the troopers never expected to find themselves in this situation, and they don't have time to call for help. They're doing the best they can in a situation they weren't expecting and were understandably somewhat unprepared for.



* Why did Sidious hire that bounty hunter in "Orders" anyways? He wanted Clovis to escape to get off the planet, and while he's tried to get rid of Padme a few times, he congratulated the bounty hunter for doing his job right when she and Clovis got away, so it didn't seem like his job was to kill her, so what was his job?

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* Why did Sidious hire that bounty hunter in "Orders" anyways? He wanted Clovis to escape to get off the planet, and while he's tried to get rid of Padme Padmé a few times, he congratulated the bounty hunter for doing his job right when she and Clovis got away, so it didn't seem like his job was to kill her, so what was his job?



* So in "The Citadel" Anakin and a bunch of other people get frozen in carbonite to fool Separatist life-sign scanners. But in ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'', Vader freezing Han was implied to be an unprecedented event. Nobody was sure if it would actually work or not until he tried it. In fact, the whole point of freezing Han was that Vader wanted to be sure a human male could survive it before he used it on Luke. If this technology has been around for at least two decades and was commonly used enough that the Republic is able to employ it on a war mission with no fuss over the danger in performing it -and Vader himself having personally experienced it- why was it such a risky thing in TESB? Also strange is that the none of the cartoon characters exhibited any of the negative side effects (like blindness) Han did from being frozen.

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* So in "The Citadel" Anakin and a bunch of other people get frozen in carbonite to fool Separatist life-sign scanners. But in ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'', Vader freezing Han was implied to be an unprecedented event. Nobody was sure if it would actually work or not until he tried it. In fact, the whole point of freezing Han was that Vader wanted to be sure a human male could survive it before he used it on Luke. If this technology has been around for at least two decades and was commonly used enough that the Republic is able to employ it on a war mission with no fuss over the danger in performing it -and -- and Vader himself having personally experienced it- it -- why was it such a risky thing in TESB? Also strange is that the none of the cartoon characters exhibited any of the negative side effects (like blindness) Han did from being frozen.



*** Actually, they defrosted without issues because they'd only been frozen for a few days at the most.

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*** ** Actually, they defrosted without issues because they'd only been frozen for a few days at the most.most. And even then, not everyone took it so well -- in the background, while everyone's getting defrosted, you can see Fives falling to his knees and staying down there for a bit.



** It's worth noting that at the end of "Orders", Yoda can be seen giving Palpatine a suspicious side-eye, so it can be assumed that the events of the arc raised the Jedi's suspicions of Palpatine. The thing is that the chips, when working properly, don't make the clones angry and fearful. Tup was like that because his chip was ''damaged'', almost certainly by a head injury. He wasn't acting in the normal way for a clone with an active chip at all. In ''Revenge of the Sith'', if you remember, when Order 66 is declared, all of the clones seen simply ''immediately'' switch to killing their Jedi generals without hesitation or much emotion. The chips almost seemed to suppress or switch off their emotions while they were activated, to a certain degree. It's also likely that the chips, while active, made the clones think that their actions were rational and perfectly normal.

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** It's worth noting that at the end of "Orders", Yoda can be seen giving Palpatine a suspicious side-eye, so it can be assumed that the events of the arc raised the Jedi's suspicions of Palpatine. The thing is that the chips, when working properly, don't make the clones angry and fearful. Tup was like that because his chip was ''damaged'', almost certainly by a head injury. He wasn't acting in the normal way for a clone with an active chip at all. In ''Revenge of the Sith'', if you remember, when Order 66 is declared, all of the clones seen simply ''immediately'' switch to killing their Jedi generals without hesitation or much emotion. The chips almost seemed to suppress or switch off their emotions while they were activated, to a certain degree. It's also likely that the chips, while active, made the clones think that their actions were rational and perfectly normal.



* Padmé has handmaidens in the live-action movies, bodyguards who have in the past impersonated her in times of trouble and were shown to be fully willing to die for her in the line of combat. [[PunctuatedForEmphasis Where. The.]] ''[[PunctuatedForEmphasis Hell.]]'' Are they during the course of the movie and the series when Padmé is being her usual self? Specifically, trying to be either a hero or a martyr - it's hard to say which.

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* Padmé has handmaidens in the live-action movies, bodyguards who have in the past impersonated her in times of trouble and were shown to be fully willing to die for her in the line of combat. [[PunctuatedForEmphasis Where. The.]] ''[[PunctuatedForEmphasis Hell.]]'' Are they during the course of the movie and the series when Padmé is being her usual self? Specifically, trying to be either a hero or a martyr - -- it's hard to say which.



** Or the locally-built ships can take the pressure but off-world vessels can't? Remember that a spaceship wouldn't be designed to take any more than 1.5 atmospheres' pressure differential without an extremely good reason. Even with Star Wars' rather loose approach to realism in technology.

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** Or the locally-built ships can take the pressure but off-world vessels can't? Remember that a spaceship wouldn't be designed to take any more than 1.5 atmospheres' pressure differential without an extremely good reason. Even with Star Wars' ''Star Wars''[='=] rather loose approach to realism in technology.



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** This series takes place in 21 BBY, one year after ''Star Wars Episode II''. They don't care if it doesn't make any sense with prior sources. For example, Grievous's cough is not caused by the scene in the original ''Clone Wars'' show and has no explanation (It was to be in link with the movie, in which he had had the cough for about a week. (The movie begins a week after Palpatine is kidnapped in ''Clone Wars''.)) As for Anakin becoming a Knight, it happened right after the Clone Wars started, which may or may not mean he did not have all those adventures with Obi-Wan that were used as justification for his skipping the Trials in ''Clone Wars''. They may have happened within the span of a single year: actually only a few months because the BBY system does not exactly mesh with the in-universe calendar. The big problem with this series's place in continuity is that the Clone Wars only lasted for three years and that Creator/LucasArts decided to capitalize on the prequel trilogy by documenting the events of this war '''to the month'''. Then they decided, five years into this project, to make this show and include characters who were doing many different things: characters like [[TheProtagonist Anakin]] have barely have a month in-universe without an adventure of some kind. The people who make this show decided to connect it to Revenge of the Sith and the film characters that are popular ([[AndZoidberg and Jar Jar]]), which are not the same characters development-wise as they were at the beginning of the Clone Wars. There are many other discrepancies that are created by their ''inserting'' of this show, but they are far too numerous to list so I'll just do one more. You see Anakin's scar about his eye? He got that fighting Asajj Ventress in 20 BBY. Refer to the date I gave you at the start of this explanation. (Frankly, they missed an opportunity by giving him the scar. They could have omitted it for the series and re-released the comic issue where he received it as a special edition, thus making money. But that would have made too much sense to the fans of pre-TCW canon.)

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** This series takes place in 21 BBY, one year after ''Star Wars Episode II''. They don't care if it doesn't make any sense with prior sources. For example, Grievous's Grievous' cough is not caused by the scene in the original ''Clone Wars'' show and has no explanation (It was to be in link with the movie, in which he had had the cough for about a week. (The movie begins a week after Palpatine is kidnapped in ''Clone Wars''.)) As for Anakin becoming a Knight, it happened right after the Clone Wars started, which may or may not mean he did not have all those adventures with Obi-Wan that were used as justification for his skipping the Trials in ''Clone Wars''. They may have happened within the span of a single year: actually only a few months because the BBY system does not exactly mesh with the in-universe calendar. The big problem with this series's place in continuity is that the Clone Wars only lasted for three years and that Creator/LucasArts decided to capitalize on the prequel trilogy by documenting the events of this war '''to the month'''. Then they decided, five years into this project, to make this show and include characters who were doing many different things: characters like [[TheProtagonist Anakin]] have barely have a month in-universe without an adventure of some kind. The people who make this show decided to connect it to Revenge of the Sith and the film characters that are popular ([[AndZoidberg and Jar Jar]]), which are not the same characters development-wise as they were at the beginning of the Clone Wars. There are many other discrepancies that are created by their ''inserting'' of this show, but they are far too numerous to list so I'll just do one more. You see Anakin's scar about his eye? He got that fighting Asajj Ventress in 20 BBY. Refer to the date I gave you at the start of this explanation. (Frankly, they missed an opportunity by giving him the scar. They could have omitted it for the series and re-released the comic issue where he received it as a special edition, thus making money. But that would have made too much sense to the fans of pre-TCW canon.)
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** Funny you should mention that, because Padme uses that tactic against Grievous. It doesn't kill him, but it does kill the unsuspecting battle droids .

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** Funny you should mention that, because Padme uses that tactic against Grievous. It doesn't kill him, but it does kill the unsuspecting battle droids .
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-->'''Slick:''' Isn't forcing us to serve as soldiers from birth wrong?
-->'''Jedi:''' No. THE END.

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-->'''Slick:''' Isn't forcing us to serve as soldiers from birth wrong?
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'''Jedi:'''
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** "Hidden Enemy" proves that in addition to raping continuity (as Wook put it), this cartoon is guilty of [[IncrediblyLamePun general, grievous]] acts of Travissty,

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** "Hidden "The Hidden Enemy" proves that in addition to raping continuity (as Wook put it), this cartoon is guilty of [[IncrediblyLamePun general, grievous]] acts of Travissty,













* The ''Malevolence's'' ion cannon. The blast wasn't that big, yet in at least one scene a small ship is trying to outrun it instead of simply moving along ''any other axis'' and out of the way. Then again, SpaceIsAnOcean.

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\n* The ''Malevolence's'' ''Malevolence''[='s=] ion cannon. The blast wasn't that big, yet in at least one scene a small ship is trying to outrun it instead of simply moving along ''any other axis'' and out of the way. Then again, SpaceIsAnOcean.



** ...''guided?'' -Aimed- maybe. But the ion cannon [[TheEmpireStrikesBack on Hoth]] was much more logical than the "big blob" fired here that should have been easily dodge (of course, [=TCW=] is hardly alone in this, see the final episode of ''Series/StargateAtlantis'' for a particularly egregious example of [[WhatTheHellHero sitting there and taking it]].)

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** ...''guided?'' -Aimed- maybe. But the ion cannon [[TheEmpireStrikesBack [[Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack on Hoth]] was much more logical than the "big blob" fired here that should have been easily dodge (of course, [=TCW=] is hardly alone in this, see the final episode of ''Series/StargateAtlantis'' for a particularly egregious example of [[WhatTheHellHero sitting there and taking it]].)
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** To open a Jedi holocron, you need to think like a Jedi, as demonstrated on ''Rebels''. A Sith Lord or other Darksider would thus not qualify.




* In Film/ThePhantomMenace, there was a huge battle between the Gungans and the Droids. Roman-style formation battle, there was one huge force field over the Gungan army, and each Gungan also had his own smaller shield. however, while the giant transporting vehicles did not enter the forcefield, the droids did. So you think, "OK, battledroids can walk through force fields". That makes the droids interesting. However, in WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars, in one episode with "Lurmen" (Anthropromorphic Lemurs) you clearly saw Anakin, Ahsoka, Aayla Secura and some clones walk through the force field just as easily as the Droids did with no problem. So, what this means is that Force Fields can stop lasers, energy weapons and presumably Lightsabres, and if these are the very same force fields as the Gungan subs they can also keep out gasses and liquids, but Metal and Flesh can go through them easily So, since we have all these force fields specifically designed to withstand plasma and energy based weapons but nothing solid, why not just use bullets? Or swords? Or circular saws? Seriously, this calls into question the very existence of blasters and any kind of long-range non-projectile weapons! Suddenly [[http://www.cracked.com/article_16983_11-most-retarded-fictional-weapons.html Chewie's crossbow]] doesn't seem so bad, does it?
** Uuuuuuuuuuugh. This is such a common misunderstanding... Okay, here's how ''StarWars'' shields work. Fast moving objects can't pass through it. Floating vehicles cannot either. To get through, you need to be moving ''slowly''. It depends on the type of shield, too. Space-born shields are completely impervious to both slow-and-fast moving physical objects, and need to be battered down with sheer firepower. Ground-based shields can't have this property though, because otherwise the shield would ''burn into the ground''. Incidentally, the beams the tanks were firing in that scene had physical components; you can see this from the explosions, which have shrapnel. Bullets, shells and other shrapnel would not be able to pass through shields, because they are moving too fast. Understand?
** So, just further giving credence to the fact Lucas lifted a lot of stuff from Dune?

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\n* In Film/ThePhantomMenace, ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'', there was a huge battle between the Gungans and the Droids. Roman-style formation battle, there was one huge force field over the Gungan army, and each Gungan also had his own smaller shield. however, while the giant transporting vehicles did not enter the forcefield, the droids did. So you think, "OK, battledroids can walk through force fields". That makes the droids interesting. However, in WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars, ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'', in one episode with "Lurmen" (Anthropromorphic Lemurs) you clearly saw Anakin, Ahsoka, Aayla Secura and some clones walk through the force field just as easily as the Droids did with no problem. So, what this means is that Force Fields can stop lasers, energy weapons and presumably Lightsabres, and if these are the very same force fields as the Gungan subs they can also keep out gasses and liquids, but Metal and Flesh can go through them easily So, since we have all these force fields specifically designed to withstand plasma and energy based weapons but nothing solid, why not just use bullets? Or swords? Or circular saws? Seriously, this calls into question the very existence of blasters and any kind of long-range non-projectile weapons! Suddenly [[http://www.cracked.com/article_16983_11-most-retarded-fictional-weapons.html Chewie's crossbow]] doesn't seem so bad, does it?
** Uuuuuuuuuuugh. This is such a common misunderstanding... Okay, here's how ''StarWars'' ''Franchise/StarWars'' shields work. Fast moving objects can't pass through it. Floating vehicles cannot either. To get through, you need to be moving ''slowly''. It depends on the type of shield, too. Space-born shields are completely impervious to both slow-and-fast moving physical objects, and need to be battered down with sheer firepower. Ground-based shields can't have this property though, because otherwise the shield would ''burn into the ground''. Incidentally, the beams the tanks were firing in that scene had physical components; you can see this from the explosions, which have shrapnel. Bullets, shells and other shrapnel would not be able to pass through shields, because they are moving too fast. Understand?
** So, just further giving credence to the fact Lucas lifted a lot of stuff from Dune?''Dune''?













* During the Holocron Heist, the Jedi see that the door to their incredibly valuable vault full of MacGuffins has been cracked open. What do they do? All go the other way, without having someone keep an eye on the vault, despite the fact that Yoda and Mace Windu are already in the room they're going to investigate. Later on, Bane puts on a Clone Trooper's helmet, and sits within coughing distance of two Jedi, one of whom even says he can "Still feel him," and yet neither of them looks at the suddenly oddly-behaving Clone Trooper and uses their highly-developed telepathic powers to sense a stranger in the room. Maybe his species just emits Stupidity Pheromones.

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\n* During the Holocron Heist, "Holocron Heist", the Jedi see that the door to their incredibly valuable vault full of MacGuffins has been cracked open. What do they do? All go the other way, without having someone keep an eye on the vault, despite the fact that Yoda and Mace Windu are already in the room they're going to investigate. Later on, Bane puts on a Clone Trooper's helmet, and sits within coughing distance of two Jedi, one of whom even says he can "Still feel him," and yet neither of them looks at the suddenly oddly-behaving Clone Trooper and uses their highly-developed telepathic powers to sense a stranger in the room. Maybe his species just emits Stupidity Pheromones.







* Are the Masters on the Jedi Council aware of Anakin's forbidden marriage to Padme or not? If they are, why don't they call him out on it? If they aren't, why aren't they? They're all masters of telepathy and reading the Force, and Anakin's not exactly the king of subtlety.
** Obi-wan eventually figures it out. Yoda may have as well. The rest didn't think of it. They just think they're... ''really'' good friends.

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\n* Are the Masters on the Jedi Council aware of Anakin's forbidden marriage to Padme Padmé or not? If they are, why don't they call him out on it? If they aren't, why aren't they? They're all masters of telepathy and reading the Force, and Anakin's not exactly the king of subtlety.
** Obi-wan Obi-Wan eventually figures it out. Yoda may have as well. The rest didn't think of it. They just think they're... ''really'' good friends.




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** No, those kids were fathered by Suu's first husband. Cut's their stepfather.






-->'''Narrator''': "Diabolical defeat! The Republic victories outnumber their losses! Jedi have been unable to stop Separatist advances in the Outer Rim!"

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-->'''Narrator''': "Diabolical Diabolical defeat! The Though Republic victories outnumber their losses! losses, Jedi have been unable to stop Separatist advances in the Outer Rim!"Rim!













































** Jedi weren't always forbidden from seeing their family and starting their own, that came during the [[StarWarsExpandedUniverse Great Sith War]] when the belief that emotions led to the Dark Side started. Until then, many children being raised by Jedi were often visited by relatives, and they kept in contact with their family through out their lives. It is canon fact that Jedi married and had families of their own before then. Also [[http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Corellian_Jedi Corellian Jedi]] were notable for keeping family bonds and marrying, although the tended to stay in the Corellian Sector.
** This is a commonly mentioned moral failing of the Jedi What I find odd is that in KOTOR the Jedi where allowed to have children, family, and loved ones but later they got rid of this despite the light side exile who canonically rebuilt the Jedi order did have a love interest.

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** Jedi weren't always forbidden from seeing their family and starting their own, that came during the [[StarWarsExpandedUniverse [[Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse Great Sith War]] when the belief that emotions led to the Dark Side started. Until then, many children being raised by Jedi were often visited by relatives, and they kept in contact with their family through out throughout their lives. It is canon fact that Jedi married and had families of their own before then. Also [[http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Corellian_Jedi Corellian Jedi]] were notable for keeping family bonds and marrying, although the they tended to stay in the Corellian Sector.
** This is a commonly mentioned moral failing of the Jedi Jedi. What I find odd is that in KOTOR the Jedi where were allowed to have children, family, and loved ones but later they got rid of this despite the light side exile who canonically rebuilt the Jedi order did have a love interest.
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** To be fair, this has happened before in canon. Presumably, one of the Hutts...spawns a Huttlet and the mate just acts like a parent, they can still be hermaphrodites.

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** To be fair, this has happened before in canon. Presumably, one of the Hutts... spawns a Huttlet and the mate just acts like a parent, they can still be hermaphrodites.
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** I was a kid when is saw episode One and hated its guts even then.

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** I was a kid when is I saw episode Episode One and hated its guts even then.



** He simply didn't have the screen time for goofing around in Film/AttackOfTheClones. It doesn't mean that he was any less TheDitz[=/=]SpannerInTheWorks, it just wasn't shown, exactly because of hate he got for it in ThePhantomMenace.

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** He simply didn't have the screen time for goofing around in Film/AttackOfTheClones. ''Film/AttackOfTheClones''. It doesn't mean that he was any less TheDitz[=/=]SpannerInTheWorks, it just wasn't shown, exactly because of hate he got for it in ThePhantomMenace.''Film/ThePhantomMenace''.



** If you take Jar Jar's actions as ObfuscatingStupidity then WesternAnimation/TheClonesWars can be seen as strongly supporting the Darth Jar Jar theory. Jar Jar 'accidentally' destroys her ship with a crane and strands her on a planet overrun with battle droids, as well as 'accidentally' stumbling and knocking out Padme's breathing apparatus, thereby infecting her with the Blue Shadow virus, the most logical conclusion is that Jar Jar is trying to kill off Padme to drive Anakin further into the Dark Side. After all, it's quite clear that a number of events, including the season one finale, were orchestrated by Palpatine for this very reason. Padme's reaction to the first situation implies that it isn't the first time something like that has happened, and Jar Jar also manages to befriend an underwater monster in only a few seconds, to the point that it helps him destroy battle droids and then leaves peacefully. Note that this is a creature that the Separatists describe as being so dangerous that it isn't worth pursuing Jar Jar when he goes underwater.

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** If you take Jar Jar's actions as ObfuscatingStupidity then WesternAnimation/TheClonesWars ''The Clone Wars'' can be seen as strongly supporting the Darth Jar Jar theory. Jar Jar 'accidentally' destroys her ship with a crane and strands her on a planet overrun with battle droids, as well as 'accidentally' stumbling and knocking out Padme's breathing apparatus, thereby infecting her with the Blue Shadow virus, the most logical conclusion is that Jar Jar is trying to kill off Padme to drive Anakin further into the Dark Side. After all, it's quite clear that a number of events, including the season one finale, were orchestrated by Palpatine for this very reason. Padme's reaction to the first situation implies that it isn't the first time something like that has happened, and Jar Jar also manages to befriend an underwater monster in only a few seconds, to the point that it helps him destroy battle droids and then leaves peacefully. Note that this is a creature that the Separatists describe as being so dangerous that it isn't worth pursuing Jar Jar when he goes underwater.
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* Why is it that in so many episodes the republic frigates or destroyers fly in triangle-formation and the one on the left side gets shot down? Storm over Ryloth, Innocents of Ryloth, Missing R2 episode, Jedi Crash,... Are the droid gunners right handed and always start from that side or what?

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\n* Why is it that in so many episodes the republic Republic frigates or destroyers fly in triangle-formation and the one on the left side gets shot down? Storm over Ryloth, Innocents "Storm Over Ryloth", "Innocents of Ryloth, Ryloth", Missing R2 episode, Jedi Crash,..."Jedi Crash"... Are the droid gunners right handed and always start from that side or what?









** I don't know about any hypothetical Nightsisters in the Clone Wars, but in their novel appearances (in ''Literature/TheCourtshipOfPrincessLeia'' and various Jedi-academy-related books) they are humans -- in fact, they're outcasts from the regular Dathomiri clans. Much is made of the fact that many of the Nightsisters were once respected members of society.

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** I don't know about any hypothetical Nightsisters in the ''The Clone Wars, Wars'', but in their novel appearances (in ''Literature/TheCourtshipOfPrincessLeia'' and various Jedi-academy-related books) they are humans -- in fact, they're outcasts from the regular Dathomiri clans. Much is made of the fact that many of the Nightsisters were once respected members of society.







* So hey... where did Ahsoka get that second lightsabre from? And why did they feel this wasn't important enough to actually ''show'' in the series?
** AnachronicOrder, remember? They can show it any time they want. And what, no ones wants to comment on how they ruined ''StarWars'' forever by making the Force [[RecycledINSPACE Zoroastrianism IN SPACE]]?

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\n* So hey... where did Ahsoka get that second lightsabre lightsaber from? And why did they feel this wasn't important enough to actually ''show'' in the series?
** AnachronicOrder, remember? They can show it any time they want. And what, no ones wants to comment on how they ruined ''StarWars'' ''Franchise/StarWars'' forever by making the Force [[RecycledINSPACE Zoroastrianism IN SPACE]]?









** The space ship was the least of that episode's problems. The whole arc's plot now makes zero sense with the reveal that the Father's death would take the Son's powers as well. Why did he not tell him that? That would have ended the whole conflict right there. And why did he bring Anakin there in the first place if the Son would no longer be a threat after his death? And that's before you get into the Son randomly deciding he didn't actually want his father dead ''while trying to kill him'' and Anakin joining the Dark Side ''[[YouFailLogicForever to avoid a future where he joins the Dark Side]]''. My only conclusion is they were trying to make his logic in Episode III seem sound by comparison.

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** The space ship spaceship was the least of that episode's problems. The whole arc's plot now makes zero sense with the reveal that the Father's death would take the Son's powers as well. Why did he not tell him that? That would have ended the whole conflict right there. And why did he bring Anakin there in the first place if the Son would no longer be a threat after his death? And that's before you get into the Son randomly deciding he didn't actually want his father dead ''while trying to kill him'' and Anakin joining the Dark Side ''[[YouFailLogicForever to avoid a future where he joins the Dark Side]]''. My only conclusion is they were trying to make his logic in Episode III seem sound by comparison.









** From the documentary in starwars.com, Tarkin is supposed to shoot unarmed Separatists with Anakin and Obi-Wan as a witness. That was vetoed by Lucas. He claimed that it was impossible that both Jedi are going to let it slip. I guess that they didn't think it through when they put in the dialog.
** You might need to look from Obi-Wan point of view. During these episode, Tarkin's 'genius' is nothing more than an informed ability. He has some 'good' arguments, but most of them are just nagging. This makes it possible that he got his rank by being 'friends' with Palpatine only. Therefore, when Obi-wan gave his speech about his honor, he probably means that "It sucks if we constantly need to take order from those bureaucrat who doesn't actually do anything."

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** From the documentary in starwars.com, Tarkin is supposed to shoot unarmed Separatists with Anakin and Obi-Wan as a witness. That was vetoed by Lucas. He claimed that it was impossible that both Jedi are going to let it slip. I guess that they didn't think it through when they put in the dialog.
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** You might need to look from Obi-Wan Obi-Wan's point of view. During these episode, episodes, Tarkin's 'genius' is nothing more than an informed ability. He has some 'good' arguments, but most of them are just nagging. This makes it possible that he got his rank by being 'friends' with Palpatine only. Therefore, when Obi-wan gave his speech about his honor, he probably means that "It sucks if we constantly need to take order from those bureaucrat bureaucrats who doesn't actually do anything."
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** So Anakin's willing to talk back to the entire council in Revenge of the Sith when they don't make him a master, but whatever Plo says goes?
** Anakin here has not yet reached that point. Remember, Anakin has made it a point in this series that while he will subvert the council's will if he feels it's for the best, he won't outright question or disobey them. Furthermore, Anakin's outrage in the instance you mention, ignoring the increasing dark side influence of Palpatine, was over the fact that the council basically cheated him out of the recognition the position he had gained should normally give. Anakin was too short-sighted to see that he hadn't really earned it, of course, but his outrage in this instance is otherwise justified. With the Ahsoka example, Plo is on the council and a friend of Ahsoka (Anakin knows this). If Plo says he added her, he can't call him on it.

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** So Anakin's willing to talk back to the entire council in Revenge ''Revenge of the Sith Sith'' when they don't make him a master, but whatever Plo says goes?
** Anakin here has not yet reached that point. Remember, Anakin has made it a point in this series that while he will subvert the council's will if he feels it's for the best, he won't outright question or disobey them. Furthermore, Anakin's outrage in the instance you mention, ignoring the increasing dark side Dark Side influence of Palpatine, was over the fact that the council basically cheated him out of the recognition the position he had gained should normally give. Anakin was too short-sighted shortsighted to see that he hadn't really earned it, of course, but his outrage in this instance is otherwise justified. With the Ahsoka example, Plo is on the council and a friend of Ahsoka (Anakin knows this). If Plo says he added her, he can't call him on it.









** That is what Lot Dodd said. He forgets about the fact that "certain individuals" equals the LEADER of the whole Federation! There were battles on Neimoidia and Muunilist, did the Republic forget about them? And, like the above said, the whole CIS fleet consists of Trade Federation Cruisers & Command ships and Banking Clan Frigates & Destroyers!

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** That is what Lot Dodd Lott Dod said. He forgets about the fact that "certain individuals" equals the LEADER of the whole Federation! There were battles on Neimoidia and Muunilist, did the Republic forget about them? And, like the above said, the whole CIS fleet consists of Trade Federation Cruisers & Command ships and Banking Clan Frigates & Destroyers!







* I'm curious, in Pursuit of Peace, they mention they intend to make millions of new clones. Ignoring clone number issues, how is making new clones going to help? It takes the better part of a decade to grow and train a clone and they need them right now. Do they have spare clones lying around in case they ever need extras?
** It seemed to me that they wanted to make the army bigger on average (like instead of 3 million clones at the fronts now 4,5 million). Clones are dying all the time and as it looks in several of the episodes, comics, whatever set on Kamino like that they produce clones constantly anyway, ordering soldiers in waves doesn't make any sense.

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\n* I'm curious, in Pursuit "Pursuit of Peace, Peace", they mention they intend to make millions of new clones. Ignoring clone number issues, how is making new clones going to help? It takes the better part of a decade to grow and train a clone and they need them right now. Do they have spare clones lying around in case they ever need extras?
** It seemed to me that they wanted to make the army bigger on average (like instead of 3 million clones at the fronts now 4,5 4.5 million). Clones are dying all the time and as it looks in several of the episodes, comics, whatever set on Kamino like that they produce clones constantly anyway, ordering soldiers in waves doesn't make any sense.



** The second. The clones are produced all the time so there clearly is no wave system like the Republic buying 3 million clones and when the new law from "Defenders of Peace" is passed they order a second wave with 1 million. In the time these clones need to be made the current army is already destroyed and the Confederacy rules the galaxy. The Republic didn't plan that far ahead and probably thought the war would last more than only three years. If the war ended abruptly with the Republic winning they probably would have used the remaining clones much the same way as the Empire: As police and armies when the separatist-remnants start to rebel again.

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** The second. The clones are produced all the time so there clearly is no wave system like the Republic buying 3 million clones and when the new law from "Defenders "Pursuit of Peace" is passed they order a second wave with 1 million. In the time these clones need to be made the current army is already destroyed and the Confederacy rules the galaxy. The Republic didn't plan that far ahead and probably thought the war would last more than only three years. If the war ended abruptly with the Republic winning they probably would have used the remaining clones much the same way as the Empire: As police and armies when the separatist-remnants start to rebel again.
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* In Senate Spy, Lot Dodd is immediately able to produce an antidote for a poison administered to Padme... they never specified the poison. How would he know what to give her? Couldn't Padme level murder charges against him for this... like, they have direct evidence that he was involved in a plot to kill her, not circumstantial evidence done through minions like he normally does.

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\n* In Senate Spy, Lot Dodd "Senate Spy", Lott Dod is immediately able to produce an antidote for a poison administered to Padme...Padmé... they never specified the poison. How would he know what to give her? Couldn't Padme level murder charges against him for this... like, they have direct evidence that he was involved in a plot to kill her, not circumstantial evidence done through minions like he normally does.



























** There is no continuity error regarding Dengar. It is ''explicitly'' stated that he has his crasg during the time of the Empire, and that it was ''Imperial'' scientists that revived him. Also, other then mentioning that he grew up in a swoop gang on Corelia, there is literally nothing on him before his crash, so there is no continuity error.

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** There is no continuity error regarding Dengar. It is ''explicitly'' stated that he has his crasg crash during the time of the Empire, and that it was ''Imperial'' scientists that revived him. Also, other then mentioning that he grew up in a swoop gang on Corelia, Corellia, there is literally nothing on him before his crash, so there is no continuity error.



** The latter is actually what I was referring to-- his preference for the "Films and EU" world, which seems to be the version most online fans accept. He's still in a position of authority within the franchise, so his words hold weight.

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** The latter is actually what I was referring to-- to -- his preference for the "Films and EU" world, which seems to be the version most online fans accept. He's still in a position of authority within the franchise, so his words hold weight.









** [[spoiler: Maul had it with him when he made his way to the cave, then left it there as he went off the deep end. Savage picked it up before they left, so he could give it back to Maul once he was well again.]]

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** [[spoiler: Maul [[spoiler:Maul had it with him when he made his way to the cave, then left it there as he went off the deep end. Savage picked it up before they left, so he could give it back to Maul once he was well again.]]
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* Anyone know how Boba got out of jail in between "Deceptions" and "Bounty"? You'd think that that would be somewhat important to mention...

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\n* Anyone know how Boba got out of jail in between "Deceptions" "Deception" and "Bounty"? You'd think that that would be somewhat important to mention...







* So in ''Bound for Rescue'', Grievous boards Obi-Wan's cruiser, forcing the Republic to abandon the ship. Grievous reaches the bridge and finds a message Obi-Wan left, telling him he intends to arm the self-destruct, so immediately Grievous evacuates and just makes it to safety in time. Why does no-one bring up the very obvious point that if Obi-Wan ''hadn't'' left the message, Grievous probably wouldn't have left and would have been killed in the blast? They would have been rid of one of their worst enemies! And don't tell me that would have been "un-Jedi-like", because in Revenge of the Sith, the council dispatched Obi-Wan specifically to ''assassinate'' Grievous. From now on, any Jedi whom Grievous kills? That's partially on Obi-Wan.

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\n* So in ''Bound "Bound for Rescue'', Rescue", Grievous boards Obi-Wan's cruiser, forcing the Republic to abandon the ship. Grievous reaches the bridge and finds a message Obi-Wan left, telling him he intends to arm the self-destruct, so immediately Grievous evacuates and just makes it to safety in time. Why does no-one bring up the very obvious point that if Obi-Wan ''hadn't'' left the message, Grievous probably wouldn't have left and would have been killed in the blast? They would have been rid of one of their worst enemies! And don't tell me that would have been "un-Jedi-like", because in Revenge of the Sith, the council dispatched Obi-Wan specifically to ''assassinate'' Grievous. From now on, any Jedi whom Grievous kills? That's partially on Obi-Wan.







* In ''The Jedi Who Knew Too Much'', three clones are found dead. Rex states that he doesn't believe Ahsoka would do such a thing. Anakin contacts her and she states that someone is setting her up (which Anakin says he believes), but doesn't believe he can help her. Rex, who heard this entire conversation, then immediately orders all clones to find her, claiming that she ''did'' kill those three clone troopers. Bwuh?

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\n* In ''The "The Jedi Who Knew Too Much'', Much", three clones are found dead. Rex states that he doesn't believe Ahsoka would do such a thing. Anakin contacts her and she states that someone is setting her up (which Anakin says he believes), but doesn't believe he can help her. Rex, who heard this entire conversation, then immediately orders all clones to find her, claiming that she ''did'' kill those three clone troopers. Bwuh?







* Ventress lost one of her lightsabers while fighting [[spoiler: Savage and Maul]] in "Revenge", yet when she appears in "To Catch a Jedi", she has both blades. So, how did she get her other lightsaber back?

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\n* Ventress lost one of her lightsabers while fighting [[spoiler: Savage [[spoiler:Savage and Maul]] in "Revenge", yet when she appears in "To Catch a Jedi", she has both blades. So, how did she get her other lightsaber back?







* In the season 5 finale it turns out Bariss Offee set up the bomb because she felt the Jedi lost their way and fight a war that puts civilians in senseless danger. So she forces a civilian to set up a bomb through her own husband. A bomb that explodes in a part of the Jedi temple where mostly other civilians work? Couldn't she just blow up a more strategic and motive-related part like a war briefing room or at least some of the corridors where only Jedi walk around?
** It was more about the Jedi becoming bad than the civilians they're supposed to protect (all things considered, the Jedi still do that). And the choice of targets is important. The area bombed was a staging area. It held gunships, troops, equipment, etc. The idea wasn't just to bomb the Jedi, it was to create a situation that would separate the Jedi from the war, and the jurisdictional friction created by bombing clones and Jedi alike was key in that. If she had bombed some internal area of the temple, it would be treated as an attack on the Jedi, an internal affair. Likewise, bombing a regular military area where some Jedi happen to be would make their deaths collateral. Think about it. Tarkin was going on about Jedi getting removed from positions of power. Bariss' plan would have done exactly what she wanted if not for Ventress.

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\n* In the season 5 finale it turns out Bariss Barriss Offee set up the bomb because she felt the Jedi lost their way and fight are fighting a war that puts civilians in senseless danger. So she forces a civilian to set up a bomb through her own husband. A bomb that explodes in a part of the Jedi temple where mostly other civilians work? Couldn't she just blow up a more strategic and motive-related part like a war briefing room or at least some of the corridors where only Jedi walk around?
** It was more about the Jedi becoming bad than the civilians they're supposed to protect (all things considered, the Jedi still do that). And the choice of targets is important. The area bombed was a staging area. It held gunships, troops, equipment, etc. The idea wasn't just to bomb the Jedi, it was to create a situation that would separate the Jedi from the war, and the jurisdictional friction created by bombing clones and Jedi alike was key in that. If she had bombed some internal area of the temple, it would be treated as an attack on the Jedi, an internal affair. Likewise, bombing a regular military area where some Jedi happen to be would make their deaths collateral. Think about it. Tarkin was going on about Jedi getting removed from positions of power. Bariss' Barriss' plan would have done exactly what she wanted if not for Ventress.
Ventress.




* During The Citadel arc, Osi Sobeck has some type of magnetic device activated on the ceiling. This causes the Jedi's lightsabers, the clones' weapons, and Anakin's cybernetic hand (with Anakin attached) to fly upwards and stick to the ceiling. This begs the question, why would any of that technology be composed of magnetic substances, especially considering that even now we have various ceramic and plastic composites that are all around better materials for such things. A large magnet could neutralize a battle droid, disarm a clone, Jedi, bounty hunter, basically anyone with a blaster, or even totally disable Darth Vader. It seems that this sort of a weakness would have been avoided at all costs.

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\n* During The the Citadel arc, Osi Sobeck has some type of magnetic device activated on the ceiling. This causes the Jedi's lightsabers, the clones' weapons, blasters, and Anakin's cybernetic hand (with Anakin attached) to fly upwards and stick to the ceiling. This begs the question, why would any of that technology be composed of magnetic substances, especially considering that even now we have various ceramic and plastic composites that are all around better materials for such things. A large magnet could neutralize a battle droid, disarm a clone, Jedi, bounty hunter, basically anyone with a blaster, or even totally disable Darth Vader. It seems that this sort of a weakness would have been avoided at all costs.






[[folder:Padme and Ahsoka]]

* How does Padme see Ahsoka. I mean, we all know that Anakin sees her somewhere between a little sister and a daughter. How does his wife view her?
** Probably neutrally or like family, since there's an [[LikesOlderWomen age difference]] between Anakin and Padme of about five years, and he was awkward with in AOTC since he liked her(Padme) and would probably describe "Snips" in terms similar to Obi-Wan.

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* How does Padme Padmé see Ahsoka. I mean, we all know that Anakin sees her somewhere between a little sister and a daughter. How does his wife view her?
** Probably neutrally or like family, since there's an [[LikesOlderWomen age difference]] between Anakin and Padme Padmé of about five years, and he was awkward with in AOTC since he liked her(Padme) her (Padmé) and would probably describe "Snips" in terms similar to Obi-Wan.
Obi-Wan.




* (The Hidden Enemy) I never understood why collecting the fingers of destroyed droids made Chopper look so bad and suspicious. What exactly is the problem with that? Why is it forbidden?

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\n* (The "The Hidden Enemy) Enemy": I never understood why collecting the fingers of destroyed droids made Chopper look so bad and suspicious. What exactly is the problem with that? Why is it forbidden?







* When [[spoiler: Barriss]] knocks out Ventress and takes her mask and lightsabers, why didn't she just silence her and kill her? If she did, Ahsoka would've been found guilty and gotten the death penalty.

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\n* When [[spoiler: Barriss]] [[spoiler:Barriss]] knocks out Ventress and takes her mask and lightsabers, why didn't she just silence her and kill her? If she did, Ahsoka would've been found guilty and gotten the death penalty.







* When Anakin killed Tal Merrik in cold blood in " Voyage of Temptation" to save Obi-Wan and Satine. All Anakin got was a slap on the hand and tisk from them. What gives? Anakin shouldn't feel remorse for what he did to the Tusken Raiders then.

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\n* When Anakin killed Tal Merrik in cold blood in " Voyage "Voyage of Temptation" to save Obi-Wan and Satine. All Satine, all Anakin got was a slap on the hand and tisk "tsk" from them. What gives? Anakin shouldn't feel remorse for what he did to the Tusken Raiders Raiders, then.









* Anakin may never have been all right in the head, but he's never been indicated to be suffering PTSD from his enslavement, and as a Jedi, he's almost certainly encountered slavery in the galaxy before. He has no trouble returning to Tatooine or even negotiating with Hutts, who were the very beings who sold him and his mother in the first place. Plus, it's entirely possible that high command simply assigned the most convenient Jedi at the time, and Anakin never complained.

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* ** Anakin may never have been all right in the head, but he's never been indicated to be suffering PTSD from his enslavement, and as a Jedi, he's almost certainly encountered slavery in the galaxy before. He has no trouble returning to Tatooine or even negotiating with Hutts, who were the very beings who sold him and his mother in the first place. Plus, it's entirely possible that high command simply assigned the most convenient Jedi at the time, and Anakin never complained.
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** You have to keep in mind that at this point arresting a Jedi for genuine treason is completely unprecedented. Rex and the rest of the troopers never expected to find themselves in this situation, and they don't have time to call for help. They're doing the best they can in a situation they weren't expecting and were understandably somewhat unprepared for.




* Does anyone find it strange that the Son, considered to be the physical manifestation of the Dark Side of the Force itself including treachery, hatred, viciousness, and anger, somehow shows more redeeming qualities than almost any canon Dark Side user, save Vader of course. He went into a {{Villainous Breakdown}} when the Daughter and Father got killed. If it had been done by Sidious it would have been a massive {{Character Derailment}}.
** The Sith are not all lightning breathing sociopaths Just because Sidious has never cared about anyone doesn't mean all Sith are like that. Anakin, Revan and countless others have fallen based on compassion, and you have Sith capable of love like Darth Malagus. Sidious is considered a monster by Sith standards, keep in mind.
** The Dark Side isn't about being as evil as possible-it's about putting your emotions and by extension what you want [[ItsAllAboutMe above everyone else.]] The road to hell is paved with good intentions after all, and if it weren't the Jedi wouldn't worry about romance. The Dark Side is part of a Force which loveless sociopaths like Palpatine are a minority.
*** But it's also been said that human emotions like love or compassion hold dark side users back the same way anger and hatred hold back Jedi. That's why Vader and Revan ''fell'' due to such emotions, and the physical manifestation of the darkside should logically be devoid of them. However, the Mortis arc seems to be on the fence as to whether the Son actually ''is'' the Darkside (he is in the narrative sense, but maybe not a literal one), or has just embraced it. It's possible that he had so much natural power that he could be as strong as Sidious in the Dark Side without feeling the same hatred.

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\n* Does anyone find it strange that the Son, considered to be the physical manifestation of the Dark Side of the Force itself itself, including treachery, hatred, viciousness, and anger, somehow shows more redeeming qualities than almost any canon Dark Side user, save Vader of course. He went into a {{Villainous Breakdown}} when the Daughter and Father got killed. If it had been done by Sidious it would have been a massive {{Character Derailment}}.
** The Sith are not all lightning breathing sociopaths lightning-flinging sociopaths. Just because Sidious has never cared about anyone doesn't mean all Sith are like that. Anakin, Revan and countless others have fallen based on compassion, and you have Sith capable of love like Darth Malagus. Sidious is considered a monster by Sith standards, keep in mind.
** The Dark Side isn't about being as evil as possible-it's possible -- it's about putting your emotions and by extension what you want [[ItsAllAboutMe above everyone else.]] The road to hell is paved with good intentions intentions, after all, and if it weren't the Jedi wouldn't worry about romance. The Dark Side is part of a Force which loveless sociopaths like Palpatine are a minority.
*** But it's also been said that human emotions like love or compassion hold dark side Dark Side users back the same way anger and hatred hold back Jedi. That's why Vader and Revan ''fell'' due to such emotions, and the physical manifestation of the darkside Dark Side should logically be devoid of them. However, the Mortis arc seems to be on the fence as to whether the Son actually ''is'' the Darkside Dark Side (he is in the narrative sense, but maybe not a literal one), or has just embraced it. It's possible that he had so much natural power that he could be as strong as Sidious in the Dark Side without feeling the same hatred.
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* I can buy Obi-Wan recognizing Darth Maul--even in as diverse a galaxy as in ''Star Wars'' with a myriad of different species, he kinda stands out--but how did he know Maul's name? By the end of ''The Phantom Menace'', Sidious has mentioned Maul by name only to the Trade Federation leadership and Maul never says anything to anyone except for Sidious. So where did Obi-Wan learn Maul's name?

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\n* I can buy Obi-Wan recognizing Darth Maul--even Maul -- even in as diverse a galaxy as in ''Star Wars'' with a myriad of different species, he kinda stands out--but how did he know Maul's name? By the end of ''The Phantom Menace'', Sidious has mentioned Maul by name only to the Trade Federation leadership and Maul never says anything to anyone except for Sidious. So where did Obi-Wan learn Maul's name?




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** It's canon that the Jedi learned Maul's name from Nute Gunray when he was arrested after the events of ''The Phantom Menace''.






** [[http://www.starwars.com/video/the-citadel-episode-featurette The behind the scenes commentary addresses this directly]]: Vader considered Cloud City's facility 'crude', while Anakin had access to the best the Republic had to offer. It's like the difference between doing surgery in the field with improvised tools vs doing so in a fully stocked medical facility in a world-class hospital. This is likely also why they were able to defrost without issues.

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** [[http://www.starwars.com/video/the-citadel-episode-featurette The behind the scenes commentary addresses this directly]]: Vader considered Cloud City's facility 'crude', "crude", while Anakin had access to the best the Republic had to offer. It's like the difference between doing surgery in the field with improvised tools vs doing so in a fully stocked medical facility in a world-class hospital. This is likely also why they were able to defrost without issues.
*** Actually, they defrosted without issues because they'd only been frozen for a few days at the most.






** Its a WAR. Why should Anakin get special treatment? He's got a big enough ego as it is. Being on the same planet should not be that much of a problem anyway, especially since he shouldn't have been on-planet for that long (the crash was obviously unplanned and unexpected). The only thing that might remind Anakin of his old life would be Jabba himself by just being a Hutt. Even that could be avoided if Anakin had managed to get the Twilight to the star destroyer he originally tried to land on. In that case, the ship, possibly including Obi-Wan, could take the Hutt back to Tatooine while Anakin returned to Teth's surface (or got in a starfighter) and finished the battle. Basically, the film turned out to be the mission's worst possible successful outcome.

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** Its a WAR. Why should Anakin get special treatment? He's got a big enough ego as it is. Being on the same planet should not be that much of a problem anyway, especially since he shouldn't have been on-planet for that long (the crash was obviously unplanned and unexpected). The only thing that might remind Anakin of his old life would be Jabba himself by just being a Hutt. Even that could be avoided if Anakin had managed to get the Twilight ''Twilight'' to the star destroyer Jedi Cruiser he originally tried to land on. In that case, the ship, possibly including Obi-Wan, could take the Hutt back to Tatooine while Anakin returned to Teth's surface (or got in a starfighter) and finished the battle. Basically, the film turned out to be the mission's worst possible successful outcome.
outcome.






** The idea is that they inhibit Jango Fett's natural agression and, more importantly, rebellion, so without them they might attack authority figures like the Jedi or Supreme Chancellor who Jango would hate giving him orders all. Doesn't make too much sense, but theoretically it could work. I'm more concerned with how a plot point meant to be an [[AuthorsSavingThrow author's saving throw]] for Order 66 did nothing to explain why the Jedi couldn't sense the attack coming from a mile away. And don't say "they couldn't feel their fear or anger because the chip made them do it. 1. They chip clearly ''made'' them angry and fearful, and 2. They've spent the whole war fighting actual robots.

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** The idea is that they inhibit Jango Fett's natural agression and, more importantly, rebellion, so without them they might attack authority figures like the Jedi or Supreme Chancellor who Jango would hate giving him orders all. Doesn't make too much sense, but theoretically it could work. I'm more concerned with how a plot point meant to be an [[AuthorsSavingThrow author's saving throw]] for Order 66 did nothing to explain why the Jedi couldn't sense the attack coming from a mile away. And don't say "they couldn't feel their fear or anger because the chip made them do it. 1. They The chip clearly ''made'' them angry and fearful, and 2. They've spent the whole war fighting actual robots.
** It's worth noting that at the end of "Orders", Yoda can be seen giving Palpatine a suspicious side-eye, so it can be assumed that the events of the arc raised the Jedi's suspicions of Palpatine. The thing is that the chips, when working properly, don't make the clones angry and fearful. Tup was like that because his chip was ''damaged'', almost certainly by a head injury. He wasn't acting in the normal way for a clone with an active chip at all. In ''Revenge of the Sith'', if you remember, when Order 66 is declared, all of the clones seen simply ''immediately'' switch to killing their Jedi generals without hesitation or much emotion. The chips almost seemed to suppress or switch off their emotions while they were activated, to a certain degree. It's also likely that the chips, while active, made the clones think that their actions were rational and perfectly normal.









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* In "Supply Lines", the Toydarians initially refuse the use of their homeworld as a supply base for the Republic to protect their neutrality. How can they be neutral when Toydaria is a vassal world of the Hutt, who Jabba has already committed on the Republic's side?

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\n* In "Supply Lines", the Toydarians initially refuse the use of their homeworld as a supply base for the Republic to protect their neutrality. How can they be neutral when Toydaria is a vassal world of the Hutt, Hutts, who Jabba has already committed on the Republic's side?






[[folder:Force Sensitivity]]

* In "Ambush", Yoda tells his clone troopers that because they are all living beings they are connected to the Force, even if only weakly. Does that mean a clone could be Force sensitive and become a Jedi?
** Yes, but understand that Force-Sensitivity that's Jedi calibre is incredibly rare (the population of the Republic is at least in the trillions, but they only have 10'000 Jedi), and there are external factors that would probably try to suppress the inclusion of such an individual, like Palpatine.
** Seeing as Force sensitivity clearly has a hereditary component, it would be very unusual indeed for a clone to be Force sensitive if the original template was not. But we've seen that sometimes clones come out with unexpected and even beneficial mutations (ie the "Bad Batch"), so it would be possible.
** The Force comes from all life-remember Yoda's famous quote in Episode V? Everyone is part of the Force, it's just that Sensitives are the only ones who can manipulate/sense it.

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[[folder:Force-sensitivity]]
* In "Ambush", Yoda tells his clone troopers that because they are all living beings they are connected to the Force, even if only weakly. Does that mean a clone could be Force sensitive Force-sensitive and become a Jedi?
** Yes, but understand that Force-Sensitivity that's Jedi calibre is incredibly rare (the population of the Republic is at least in the trillions, but they only have 10'000 10,000 Jedi), and there are external factors that would probably try to suppress the inclusion of such an individual, like Palpatine.
Palpatine.
** Seeing as Force sensitivity clearly has a hereditary component, it would be very unusual indeed for a clone to be Force sensitive Force-sensitive if the original template was not. But we've seen that sometimes clones come out with unexpected and even beneficial mutations (ie the "Bad Batch"), so it would be possible.
** The Force comes from all life-remember life -- remember Yoda's famous quote in Episode V? Everyone is part of the Force, it's just that Sensitives are the only ones who can manipulate/sense it.


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* It's explicitly stated in the episode that the Jedi Council wants investigators who weren't at the Temple, or even on Coruscant, when the bombing occurred, to make absolutely sure they couldn't have been involved.
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* Anakin may never have been all right in the head, but he's never been indicated to be suffering PTSD from his enslavement, and as a Jedi, he's almost certainly encountered slavery in the galaxy before. He has no trouble returning to Tatooine or even negotiating with Hutts, who were the very beings who sold him and his mother in the first place. Plus, it's entirely possible that high command simply assigned the most convenient Jedi at the time, and Anakin never complained.



* Does anyone find it strange that the Son, considered to be the physical manifestation of the Dark Side of the Force itself including treachery, hatred, viciousness, and anger, somehow shows more redeeming qualities than some of the worst Dark Side users, including Darth Sidious? He went into a {{Villainous Breakdown}} when the Daughter and Father got killed. If it had been done by Sidious it would have been a massive {{Character Derailment}}.

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* Does anyone find it strange that the Son, considered to be the physical manifestation of the Dark Side of the Force itself including treachery, hatred, viciousness, and anger, somehow shows more redeeming qualities than some of the worst almost any canon Dark Side users, including Darth Sidious? user, save Vader of course. He went into a {{Villainous Breakdown}} when the Daughter and Father got killed. If it had been done by Sidious it would have been a massive {{Character Derailment}}.




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*** But it's also been said that human emotions like love or compassion hold dark side users back the same way anger and hatred hold back Jedi. That's why Vader and Revan ''fell'' due to such emotions, and the physical manifestation of the darkside should logically be devoid of them. However, the Mortis arc seems to be on the fence as to whether the Son actually ''is'' the Darkside (he is in the narrative sense, but maybe not a literal one), or has just embraced it. It's possible that he had so much natural power that he could be as strong as Sidious in the Dark Side without feeling the same hatred.
25th Apr '17 10:13:35 AM Ansongc2000
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** The idea is that they inhibit Jango Fett's natural agression and, more importantly, rebellion, so without them they might attack authority figures like the Jedi or Supreme Chancellor who Jango would hate giving him orders all. Doesn't make too much sense, but theoretically it could work. I'm more concerned with how a plot point meant to be an [[AuthorsSavingThrow author's saving throw]] for Order 66 did nothing to explain why the Jedi couldn't sense the attack coming from a mile away. And don't say "they couldn't feel their fear or anger because the chip made them do it. 1. They chip clearly ''made'' them angry and fearful, and 2. They've spent the whole war fighting actual robots.
25th Apr '17 7:13:14 AM MegaSolipsist
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** If you take Jar Jar's actions as [[ObfuscatingStupidity]] then WesternAnimation/TheClonesWars can be seen as strongly supporting the Darth Jar Jar theory. Jar Jar 'accidentally' destroys her ship with a crane and strands her on a planet overrun with battle droids, as well as 'accidentally' stumbling and knocking out Padme's breathing apparatus, thereby infecting her with the Blue Shadow virus, the most logical conclusion is that Jar Jar is trying to kill off Padme to drive Anakin further into the Dark Side. After all, it's quite clear that a number of events, including the season one finale, were orchestrated by Palpatine for this very reason. Padme's reaction to the first situation implies that it isn't the first time something like that has happened, and Jar Jar also manages to befriend an underwater monster in only a few seconds, to the point that it helps him destroy battle droids and then leaves peacefully. Note that this is a creature that the Separatists describe as being so dngerous that it isn't worth pursuing Jar Jar when he goes underwater.

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** If you take Jar Jar's actions as [[ObfuscatingStupidity]] ObfuscatingStupidity then WesternAnimation/TheClonesWars can be seen as strongly supporting the Darth Jar Jar theory. Jar Jar 'accidentally' destroys her ship with a crane and strands her on a planet overrun with battle droids, as well as 'accidentally' stumbling and knocking out Padme's breathing apparatus, thereby infecting her with the Blue Shadow virus, the most logical conclusion is that Jar Jar is trying to kill off Padme to drive Anakin further into the Dark Side. After all, it's quite clear that a number of events, including the season one finale, were orchestrated by Palpatine for this very reason. Padme's reaction to the first situation implies that it isn't the first time something like that has happened, and Jar Jar also manages to befriend an underwater monster in only a few seconds, to the point that it helps him destroy battle droids and then leaves peacefully. Note that this is a creature that the Separatists describe as being so dngerous dangerous that it isn't worth pursuing Jar Jar when he goes underwater.
25th Apr '17 7:12:09 AM MegaSolipsist
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** One clone was highly dubious of letting Jar Jar take the initiative in anything, and the clone commander responded by saying "He's not as dumb as he looks," showing that at least one character who knew him did not consider him stupid.
** If you take Jar Jar's actions as [[ObfuscatingStupidity]] then WesternAnimation/TheClonesWars can be seen as strongly supporting the Darth Jar Jar theory. Jar Jar 'accidentally' destroys her ship with a crane and strands her on a planet overrun with battle droids, as well as 'accidentally' stumbling and knocking out Padme's breathing apparatus, thereby infecting her with the Blue Shadow virus, the most logical conclusion is that Jar Jar is trying to kill off Padme to drive Anakin further into the Dark Side. After all, it's quite clear that a number of events, including the season one finale, were orchestrated by Palpatine for this very reason. Padme's reaction to the first situation implies that it isn't the first time something like that has happened, and Jar Jar also manages to befriend an underwater monster in only a few seconds, to the point that it helps him destroy battle droids and then leaves peacefully. Note that this is a creature that the Separatists describe as being so dngerous that it isn't worth pursuing Jar Jar when he goes underwater.
28th Mar '17 9:52:39 AM MasterFuzzy
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** Bear in mind that there are about 10,000 Jedi to fight a war across an ''entire galaxy.'' They need every able-bodied person they can get. [[SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale This trope]] is actually being averted.




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** Let's face it, if you were the Council, would ''you'' make someone as whiny as Anakin a Master?



** Yeah, all humans from the same planet look the same.

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** [[SarcasmMode Yeah, all humans from the same planet look the same.
same.]]




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** As Obi-Wan lampshades when they first come out of hibernation, [[CowboyCop Anakin]] is hardly one to talk when Padawans disobey their Masters. It's also possible Anakin and/or Obi-Wan have a talk with Plo after they get back, but just may not have been shown.



** The Dark Side isn't about being as evil as possible-it's about putting your emotions and by extension what you want [[ItsAllAboutMe above everyone else.]] The road to hell is paved with good intentions after all, and if it weren't the Jedi wouldn't worry about romance. The Dark Side is part of a Force which loveless sociopaths like Palpatine are a minority

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** The Dark Side isn't about being as evil as possible-it's about putting your emotions and by extension what you want [[ItsAllAboutMe above everyone else.]] The road to hell is paved with good intentions after all, and if it weren't the Jedi wouldn't worry about romance. The Dark Side is part of a Force which loveless sociopaths like Palpatine are a minority
minority.
28th Mar '17 9:23:18 AM MasterFuzzy
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** The Force comes from all life-remember Yoda's famous quote in Episode V? Everyone is part of the Force, it's just that Sensitives are the only ones who can manipulate/sense it.
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[[folder: Why choose Anakin and Ahsoka for the Temple bombing investigation?]]
OK, ''why'' would the Council ask Anakin and Ahsoka, neither of whom have a lot of experience as detectives, to investigate the Temple? Why not ask, say, Tera Sinube, who is a) a trained investigator, and b) already at the Temple and retired? There are also presumably other detective-trained Jedi-why would the Council pull two skilled warriors off the front lines to perform a criminal investigation, when neither is particularly good at detective work?
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