History Headscratchers / StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry

20th Jun '16 1:08:17 PM Bense
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** The novelization attempts an AuthorsSavingThrow by saying that [=McCoy=] was well aware that Sulu had been off in the ''Excelsior'' for several years but was making a lame joke.
20th Jun '16 1:05:55 PM Bense
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** On a less urgent note, Kirk and [=McCoy=] both take the time to change uniforms and shave between when they discover where the conference is and when they arrive for the fight with Chang. There must be a time skip there, because it only takes a few minutes on screen.
3rd Jun '16 7:03:55 PM costanton11
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* "There is an old Vulcan proverb: only Nixon could go to China." Why exactly does an old Vulcan proverb refer to a figure and event from earth history?

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* "There is an old Vulcan proverb: only Nixon could go to China." Why exactly does an old Vulcan proverb refer to a figure and event from earth Earth history?
1st Jun '16 3:18:57 PM Bense
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** Spock is making a joke. There's no such Vulcan proverb, but he's trying to get his friend Kirk to loosen up a bit, while simultaneously pointing out a real reason to have Kirk take the mission.
*** As an aside, yes, Spock does make jokes sometimes. By ''Star Trek VI'' he is sufficiently comfortable with his emotions to tell Valeris that "Logic is just the beginning of wisdom."
1st Jun '16 2:32:04 PM CrypticMirror
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** As we saw in ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'' the Vulcans could be a bit quirky on the things they found important in other cultures. It is perfectly possible that when they were going through Earth history, almost certainly from an America-centric POV, they found the example of the China hating Nixon being the one to go to China simply because he would be trusted if he said something nice about them as he'd have no incentive to lie about it, and adopted it; especially if there was no clear analogue in Vulcan history.
1st Jun '16 10:19:40 AM costanton11
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[[folder: Vulcans love Richard Nixon]]
* "There is an old Vulcan proverb: only Nixon could go to China." Why exactly does an old Vulcan proverb refer to a figure and event from earth history?
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29th May '16 4:32:21 PM costanton11
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*** As far as the gaseous anomaly equipment issue is concerned, apparently it was supposed to be Sulu in the Excelsior who pulled that trick off, as foreshadowed by the mention of the Excelsior cataloging the anomalies, but Shatner requested that it be changed because he didn't want Kirk to have to be saved by someone else.

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*** As far as the gaseous anomaly equipment issue is concerned, apparently you've actually got it the other way around. Apparently in his autobiography, George Takei said that it was supposed to be Sulu in the Excelsior who pulled that trick off, off with the gaseous anomaly equipment, as foreshadowed by the mention of the Excelsior cataloging the anomalies, but anomalies. However, William Shatner requested that it be changed because he didn't want changed, arguing that Kirk to have to be saved by would never need someone else.to come charging to his rescue. Apparently the Star Trek chronology rectified this issue by saying the mission was a long term one and most starships, including the Enterprise, had been fitted with the equipment.



*** Cartwright is the only one in the room we ''know'' is in the conspiracy, so it's probably not true that "most" of the Admirals are part of it.

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*** Cartwright is the only one in the room we ''know'' is in the conspiracy, so it's probably not true that "most" of the Admirals are part of it. The Commander-in-chief, for example, is shown not to be a part of the conspiracy.
27th May '16 12:59:43 PM Bense
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*** Cartwright is the only one in the room we ''know'' is in the conspiracy, so it's probably not true that "most" of the Admirals are part of it.
** The answer is in the Vulcan proverb "Only Nixon could go to China." Kirk has an undisputed anti-Klingon reputation, and therefore when he is assigned as the Federation's "olive branch" both the Klingons and Starfleet know that the Federation is serious about offering peace. No one will be able to say Kirk is doing it because he is sympathetic to the Klingons. Sarek understood this advantage, and he trusts Kirk after the whole "risked his entire career for Spock's soul" incident. Spock made a mistake in not talking to Kirk first, but the whole thing seems to have been set up rather quickly.
25th May '16 11:09:25 AM thatsnumberwang
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** Spock's monumental IdiotBall aside for not reading Kirk better, I always thought that this was FridgeBrilliance. Most of the Admirals in that room are in on the plot to assassinate Gorkon, so who better to frame for the crime than the guy who hates Klingons? A guy that they have good reason to suspect would make himself appear guilty several times over the course of the journey? A bereaved father of a murdered son and veteran of a dozen combat engagements against them? Sending a neutral or sympathetic Captain would raise too many questions once Gorkon is apparently killed by his hand.
24th May '16 4:36:17 PM costanton11
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[[folder: Let's send the guy who hates Klingons and who the Klingons hate back. What could possibly go wrong?]]
* Kirk may be behaving irrationally with his prejudice against the Klingons, but he had every right to be mad at Spock for springing the whole "you will escort Chancellor Gorkon" mission. It's no secret that Kirk hates the Klingons for killing his son so why did Spock (and by extension Sarek, who Spock said played a role in the negotiation) decide to send Kirk along on this mission. If he wanted to convince Kirk, wouldn't it have made more sense to suggest the idea first and try to convince him to go along with it, rather than just telling him that he has to do it after the arrangements had been made. On the flip side, why do they think it was a good idea to send Kirk to escort the Klingon Chancellor, given that much of the Klingon government thinks that Kirk is a criminal who got away scot-free with killing a Klingon crew and the Klingon ambassador himself said "There shall be no peace as long as Kirk lives!"
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