History Headscratchers / StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry

23rd Nov '17 12:42:37 PM costanton11
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** OP here: Came up with another possible answer that I'll add for the benefit of others. In addition to the aforementioned reasons, Kirk is maverick often at odds with Starfleet Command. The conspirators in Starfleet, regarding Kirk as an unreliable loose cannon, may have assigned Kirk to be the fall guy for the additional benefit of getting rid of Kirk. Unfortunately for them, they underestimated Kirk's Determinator status.



** OP here: Came up with another possible answer that I'll add for the benefit of others. In addition to the aforementioned reasons, Kirk is maverick often at odds with Starfleet Command. The conspirators in Starfleet, regarding Kirk as an unreliable loose cannon, may have assigned Kirk to be the fall guy for the additional benefit of getting rid of Kirk. Unfortunately for them, they underestimated Kirk's Determinator status.
23rd Nov '17 12:41:52 PM costanton11
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** OP here: Came up with another possible answer that I'll add for the benefit of others. In addition to the aforementioned reasons, Kirk is maverick often at odds with Starfleet Command. The conspirators in Starfleet, regarding Kirk as an unreliable loose cannon, may have assigned Kirk to be the fall guy for the additional benefit of getting rid of Kirk. Unfortunately for them, they underestimated Kirk's Determinator status.
22nd Nov '17 7:18:48 PM nombretomado
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** It's a ShoutOut to something said to the [[DirtyCommunists Russian ambassador]] by the [[{{Eagleland}} American ambassador]] during the CubanMissileCrisis. It made as little sense in RealLife as it did in Franchise/StarTrek.

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** It's a ShoutOut to something said to the [[DirtyCommunists Russian ambassador]] by the [[{{Eagleland}} American ambassador]] during the CubanMissileCrisis.UsefulNotes/CubanMissileCrisis. It made as little sense in RealLife as it did in Franchise/StarTrek.
25th Oct '17 8:53:13 PM costanton11
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** Even if Martia was thinking should could try to pretend to be Kirk and be rescued when the ''Enterprise'' arrived, it wouldn't have worked; the real Kirk was wearing a Veridian patch on his back, which the ''Enterprise'' used to find him and presumably used to get a transporter lock on him. Martia didn't know about that, or she figured the Enterprise's sensors wouldn't be able to distinguish between a group of Klingons, two humans and one changling pretending to be a human.

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** Even if Martia was thinking should could try to pretend to be Kirk and be rescued when the ''Enterprise'' arrived, it wouldn't have worked; the real Kirk was wearing a Veridian patch on his back, which the ''Enterprise'' used to find him and presumably used to get a transporter lock on him. Martia didn't know about that, or she figured the Enterprise's sensors wouldn't be able to distinguish between a group of Klingons, two humans and one changling changeling pretending to be a human.
3rd Oct '17 9:08:00 PM costanton11
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** While it would probably lead to the question of why Scotty would beam down at all, an explanation for the dress would be to blend in better. They didn't know exactly when or from where the assassination attempt would occur. They are unauthorized to be there, at best, and wanted fugitives, at worst. Going down in a work uniform to a formal diplomatic event would have had his stick out like a sore thumb.

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** While it would probably lead to the question of why Scotty would beam down at all, an explanation for the dress would be to blend in better. They didn't know exactly when or from where the assassination attempt would occur. They are unauthorized to be there, at best, and wanted fugitives, at worst. Going down in a work uniform to a formal diplomatic event would have had his stick out like a sore thumb. After he got back to the Enterprise, he may have changed his uniform back in case he had to head back to engineering.
3rd Oct '17 11:47:22 AM CharlesPhipps
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** There's also the fact, while it was retconned in, the Klingons of ''The Undiscovered Country'' are ones influenced by Worf and the warrior race mentality. Kirk is the Federation's greatest soldier and someone they have a [[WorthyOpponent grudging respect]] for even as they hate him as an enemy. General Chang is the friendliest one to Kirk at the meeting and he's the biggest hardliner of the bunch.
22nd Jul '17 11:52:59 AM NewVirginiaCreeper
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** Another point worth raising is that, while the Klingons and Romulans may be enemies at this point, they were allies in recent memory. It seems absurd to deliberately share sensitive material with the Romulan ambassador if there's a chance that his loyalties might be in question (which they are!).
17th Jul '17 9:08:29 AM Bense
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**** [=McCoy=] was "just standing around on the bridge?" Why was [=McCoy=] standing around on the bridge while the Klingons were blowing holes clean through the ''Enterprise'' every few seconds, no doubt causing lots of casualties?
17th Jul '17 9:05:44 AM Bense
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* This issue has already been addressed at least twice on this page. Look in the "No Plans, No Backup" and "Prototype Revisited" folders.
16th Jul '17 5:28:20 PM nombretomado
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*** The Russian ambassador in real life probably did understand English just fine. He was an ambassador, understanding one of the most-used languages in the world (Japanese sailors had to learn it during WW2 because a lot of their charts and machine manuals were printed in English) would have been necessary for his job. Kirk and [=McCoy=] aren't ambassadors, so in Chang's case it ''was'' purely grandstanding (instead of only partly).

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*** The Russian ambassador in real life probably did understand English just fine. He was an ambassador, understanding one of the most-used languages in the world (Japanese sailors had to learn it during WW2 [=WW2=] because a lot of their charts and machine manuals were printed in English) would have been necessary for his job. Kirk and [=McCoy=] aren't ambassadors, so in Chang's case it ''was'' purely grandstanding (instead of only partly).
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