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25th Jun '16 12:15:21 AM Luppercus
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** Probably the issue is this; Worf was in the table and was possible for him to fall at any moment, he was ready for that, and the "eliminate the table" thing is funny from the perspective of anticipation (they were expecting him to fall and we he thought he made it, he still falls), with Crusher, what does the rest saw? Well, they saw Data pushing the doctor agressively and we no reason. Yes, we as audicence saw the pun (her advise) but they don't, would you laugh if someone just randomly pushes a women with no other context? and not only that, she felt ''into'' Worf who was already climing back to the ship and make him fall too, again, thus causing random and unexplainned harm to ''two'' people.
9th Jun '16 7:13:56 AM NewVirginiaCreeper
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** Perhaps the bigger issue is the film's weird conflation of "experiences emotions" with "understands humour."
7th May '16 5:26:05 AM CrypticMirror
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** Data pushing Crusher into the water is one of those things that was hilarious to the audience (we can see exactly what is coming when Bev says the unexpected drop is funny, she is setting herself up to take that fall, because we've SeenItAMillionTimes), but in-universe not funny to the characters. Those are difficult scenes to script and direct and perhaps they failed to quite integrate the different reactions, characters and audience, properly. That leaves it all feeling a bit disjointed.
6th May '16 1:10:46 PM MrDeath
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** I got the sense that Data had been working on understanding humor for a while -- that he felt that he was getting the grasp of it and was ready to branch out and start trying to ''make'' jokes instead of just understanding their concept. Pushing Crusher was probably his first real attempt, in front of his friends and peers, to demonstrate he understood and could replicate humor. And it blew up in his face. It made him realize that without the chip, he might never get it, and he was, on some level, frustrated.
6th May '16 12:34:48 PM NewVirginiaCreeper
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** Here's the thing, though: It's well known that Data doesn't always entirely understand the nuances of human behaviour, and his friends generally make allowances for that. I've always thought this was a weak part of the film, because one failed but ultimately inconsequential attempt at humour does not give Data enough motivation to start tinkering with the dangerous emotion chip (much less in the middle of a mission).
26th Apr '16 9:21:43 AM Bense
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** Because it wasn't part of the 'scene'. The whole ceremony was half-congratulations, half-hazing of Worf. Dropping him in the water is all part of that. Shoving Crusher into the water is just random and senseless, and something just being 'lol random' doesn't automatically make it funny.

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** Because it wasn't part of the 'scene'. The whole ceremony was half-congratulations, half-hazing of Worf. Dropping him in the water is all part of that. Shoving Crusher into the water is just random and senseless, and something just being 'lol random' doesn't automatically make it funny.funny.
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19th Apr '16 3:33:58 PM MrDeath
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** Actually, it was even ''more'' hilarious than what happened to Worf. No wonder Data is confused - he's hanging around with people with no sense of humor.

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** Actually, it was even ''more'' hilarious than what happened to Worf. No wonder Data is confused - he's hanging around with people with no sense of humor.humor.
** Because it wasn't part of the 'scene'. The whole ceremony was half-congratulations, half-hazing of Worf. Dropping him in the water is all part of that. Shoving Crusher into the water is just random and senseless, and something just being 'lol random' doesn't automatically make it funny.
19th Apr '16 3:20:33 PM Bense
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* What's with the double standard with Data pushing Crusher in the water and it being seen as harsh and cruel? It's really no different than what happened with Worf that everyone was laughing at. In both cases, the person was unwillingly dropped into the water to their personal humiliation. Why was it so hilarious when it happened to Worf and so shameful when it happened to Beverly?

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* What's with the double standard with Data pushing Crusher in the water and it being seen as harsh and cruel? It's really no different than what happened with Worf that everyone was laughing at. In both cases, the person was unwillingly dropped into the water to their personal humiliation. Why was it so hilarious when it happened to Worf and so shameful when it happened to Beverly?Beverly?
** Actually, it was even ''more'' hilarious than what happened to Worf. No wonder Data is confused - he's hanging around with people with no sense of humor.
16th Apr '16 12:02:38 PM costanton11
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16th Apr '16 11:55:10 AM costanton11
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* What's with the double standard with Data pushing Crusher in the water and it being seen as harsh and cruel? It's really no different than what happened with Worf that everyone was laughing at. In both cases, the person was unwillingly dropped into the water to their personal humiliation. Why was it so hilarious when it happened to Worf and so shameful when it happened to Beverly? This takes place in the 23rd century so shouldn't gender roles perceptions have changed?

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* What's with the double standard with Data pushing Crusher in the water and it being seen as harsh and cruel? It's really no different than what happened with Worf that everyone was laughing at. In both cases, the person was unwillingly dropped into the water to their personal humiliation. Why was it so hilarious when it happened to Worf and so shameful when it happened to Beverly? This takes place in the 23rd century so shouldn't gender roles perceptions have changed?Beverly?
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