History Headscratchers / StarTrekGenerations

13th Dec '16 8:56:02 AM costanton11
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*** The ship very rarely lost its shields even in the tv show. It's also unlikely the Enterprise has real armour that would make any difference. There are windows literally all over the ship, having combat armour would be a bit pointless. Also, the ship isn't a warship, at all. The only dedicated (combat-only) warship Starfleet were working on at the time was the Defiant-class.

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*** The ship very rarely lost its shields even in the tv show. It's also unlikely the Enterprise has real armour armor that would make any difference. There are windows literally all over the ship, having combat armour armor would be a bit pointless. Also, the ship isn't a warship, at all. The only dedicated (combat-only) warship Starfleet were working on at the time was the Defiant-class.



** Here's the thing, though: It's well known that Data doesn't always entirely understand the nuances of human behaviour, and his friends generally make allowances for that. I've always thought this was a weak part of the film, because one failed but ultimately inconsequential attempt at humour does not give Data enough motivation to start tinkering with the dangerous emotion chip (much less in the middle of a mission).

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** Here's the thing, though: It's well known that Data doesn't always entirely understand the nuances of human behaviour, behavior, and his friends generally make allowances for that. I've always thought this was a weak part of the film, because one failed but ultimately inconsequential attempt at humour humor does not give Data enough motivation to start tinkering with the dangerous emotion chip (much less in the middle of a mission).



** Perhaps the bigger issue is the film's weird conflation of "experiences emotions" with "understands humour."

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** Perhaps the bigger issue is the film's weird conflation of "experiences emotions" with "understands humour.humor."
20th Nov '16 5:30:50 PM TheFellMind
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** Okay, sure, let's assume that disruptor shots have no issues being tuned to a specific frequency and even torpedoes can get through using their own self-contained shields. Why did the crew not just remodulate the shields, possibly even in random fashion, like they did to resist the Borg's attempts to adapt? Or alternatively, pull the same tactic as the crew of the USS ''Odyssey'' [[Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS02E26TheJemHadar tried in DS9]] by dropping the shields and redirecting all that power to the weapons systems, and then barrage the Duras sisters' supposedly overmatched bird-of-prey into space dust? (Admittedly, though, this sort of result isn't without precedent -- [[Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS6E7Rascals two old, refurbished Ferengi-controlled birds-of-prey]] did once capture the ''Enterprise''-D in a straight battle. And yes, Riker was also in command that time.)
25th Oct '16 7:57:34 AM Bense
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** Maybe that was the only time Kirk and the other VIPs would be available for the christening. As they approached their deadline they realized they wouldn't have everything ready, but enough for a quick trip, and so they went ahead with the launch rather than give up on having Kirk aboard. Still rather negligent.

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** Maybe that was the only time Kirk and the other VIPs [=VIPs=] would be available for the christening. As they approached their deadline they realized they wouldn't have everything ready, but enough for a quick trip, and so they went ahead with the launch rather than give up on having Kirk aboard. Still rather negligent.



*** ''The Enterprise-E is said to have spent a full YEAR in shakedown status (though that length could have just been because it was one of the first active duty vessels of her class, unlike the Excelsior-class Enterprise-B)'' How do we know the Enterprise-B wasn't one of the first Excelsior-class ships? Indeed, the Enterprise-B is an Excelsior variant (with extra impulse engines, modified warp nacelles, secondary hull extensions, different deflector dish etc), one that we have never seen before (and only once since, that being the Lakota from DS9), so there must be something significantly different about her compared to the Excelsior and all the other standard configuration Excelsior-class ships we see.[[/folder]]

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*** ''The Enterprise-E is said to have spent a full YEAR in shakedown status (though that length could have just been because it was one of the first active duty vessels of her class, unlike the Excelsior-class Enterprise-B)'' How do we know the Enterprise-B wasn't one of the first Excelsior-class ships? Indeed, the Enterprise-B is an Excelsior variant (with extra impulse engines, modified warp nacelles, secondary hull extensions, different deflector dish etc), one that we have never seen before (and only once since, that being the Lakota from DS9), [=DS9=]), so there must be something significantly different about her compared to the Excelsior and all the other standard configuration Excelsior-class ships we see.[[/folder]]
20th Oct '16 2:08:55 AM mcb359
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*** ''The Enterprise-E is said to have spent a full YEAR in shakedown status (though that length could have just been because it was one of the first active duty vessels of her class, unlike the Excelsior-class Enterprise-B)'' How do we know the Enterprise-B wasn't one of the first Excelsior-class ships? Indeed, the Enterprise-B is an Excelsior variant (with extra impulse engines, modified warp nacelles, secondary hull extensions, different deflector dish etc), one that we have never seen before (and only once since, that being the Lakota from DS9), so there must be something significantly different about her compared to the Excelsior and all the other standard configuration Excelsior-class ships we see.[[/folder]]
4th Sep '16 6:41:01 PM NewVirginiaCreeper
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*** I don't think rank was the reason; they were off duty at the time and the senior staff are all personal friends and used to interacting on social occasions. It's just that Data was incapable of navigating when such a gag was appropriate and when it wasn't (just why he would think the emotion chip would make him any better at this is a mystery to me).
31st Aug '16 4:04:24 AM CrypticMirror
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** Probably the issue is this; Worf was in the table and was possible for him to fall at any moment, he was ready for that, and the "eliminate the table" thing is funny from the perspective of anticipation (they were expecting him to fall and we he thought he made it, he still falls), with Crusher, what does the rest saw? Well, they saw Data pushing the doctor agressively and we no reason. Yes, we as audicence saw the pun (her advise) but they don't, would you laugh if someone just randomly pushes a women with no other context? and not only that, she felt ''into'' Worf who was already climing back to the ship and make him fall too, again, thus causing random and unexplainned harm to ''two'' people.
** Because when something humiliating happens to a man, it's absolutely hilarious. When the same thing happens to a woman, it's an unacceptable act of sexism. It's called "gender parity".

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** Probably the issue is this; Worf was in the table and was possible for him to fall at any moment, he was ready for that, and the "eliminate the table" thing is funny from the perspective of anticipation (they were expecting him to fall and we he thought he made it, he still falls), with Crusher, what does the rest saw? Well, they saw Data pushing the doctor agressively aggressively and we no reason. Yes, we as audicence audience saw the pun (her advise) but they don't, would you laugh if someone just randomly pushes a women with no other context? and not only that, she felt ''into'' Worf who was already climing climbing back to the ship and make him fall too, again, thus causing random and unexplainned unexplained harm to ''two'' people.
** Because when something humiliating happens to a man, it's absolutely hilarious. When the same thing happens to a woman, it's an unacceptable act of sexism. It's called "gender parity".
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31st Aug '16 12:03:02 AM thespecialneedsgroup
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*** Even if you take gender completely out of the equation, however, Data still committed a major faux pas for a couple of reasons: First, Dr. Crusher holds an ancient and hallowed position aboard ''Enterprise''; and one ''does not'' pick on the ship's surgeon. Secondly, while Data is the ship's second officer, he's still a Lt. Commander, and a junior officer. '''''Mr.''''' Data was ''way'' out of line shoving '''''Commander''''' Crusher into the water.

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*** Even if you take gender completely out of the equation, however, Data still seems to have committed a major faux pas for a couple of reasons: First, Dr. Crusher holds an ancient and hallowed position aboard ''Enterprise''; and one ''does not'' pick on the ship's surgeon. Secondly, while Data is the ship's second officer, he's still a Lt. Commander, and a junior officer. '''''Mr.''''' Data was ''way'' out of line shoving '''''Commander''''' Crusher into the water.
30th Aug '16 11:59:31 PM thespecialneedsgroup
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*** Even if you take gender completely out of the equation, however, Data still committed a major faux pas for a couple of reasons: First, Dr. Crusher holds an ancient and hallowed position aboard ''Enterprise''; and one ''does not'' pick on the ship's surgeon. Secondly, while Lt. Commander Data is the ship's second officer, he's still a junior officer. '''''Mr.'''' Data was ''way'' out of line shoving '''''Commander''''' Crusher into the water.

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*** Even if you take gender completely out of the equation, however, Data still committed a major faux pas for a couple of reasons: First, Dr. Crusher holds an ancient and hallowed position aboard ''Enterprise''; and one ''does not'' pick on the ship's surgeon. Secondly, while Lt. Commander Data is the ship's second officer, he's still a Lt. Commander, and a junior officer. '''''Mr.'''' ''''' Data was ''way'' out of line shoving '''''Commander''''' Crusher into the water.
30th Aug '16 11:58:15 PM thespecialneedsgroup
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*** Even if you take gender completely out of the equation, however, Data still committed a major faux pas for a couple of reasons: First, Dr. Crusher holds an ancient and hallowed position aboard ''Enterprise''; and one ''does not'' pick on the ship's surgeon. Secondly, while Lt. Commander Data is the ship's second officer, he's still a junior officer. '''''Mr.'''' Data was ''way'' out of line shoving '''''Commander''''' Crusher into the water.
30th Aug '16 9:20:30 PM NewVirginiaCreeper
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*** It's more that Worf was in a situation where hazing is encouraged, while Crusher was just a bystander.
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