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**** This is not necessarily true, there have been times even in the medival period where common women were given power or were largely independent on their husbands, see the Wife of Bath. Also there are few records written by the poor who lived by a different set of rules than the nobility who would be the ones in charge of the records. Besides that given the fighting ability of these women your hypothetical would end in the death of said guard.
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*** '' they are either rebellious and not asking for anyone's consent'' / ''they broke the rules regardless of any consecuences falling on them'' - Which was unthinkable back then. I don't mean as in "Wow, that's pretty rare, nifty!" I mean "HOLY SHIT THAT WOMAN IS DOING SOMETHING WITHOUT THE MAN'S PERMISSION, GET THE FUCKING GUARD". Just the fact that they know martial arts and fighting styles is eyebrow-arching. AcceptableBreaksFromReality, of course, but it's still fun to joke about.

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*** '' they are either rebellious and not asking for anyone's consent'' / ''they broke the rules regardless of any consecuences falling on them'' - Which was unthinkable back then. I don't mean as in "Wow, that's pretty rare, nifty!" I mean "HOLY SHIT THAT WOMAN IS DOING SOMETHING WITHOUT THE MAN'S PERMISSION, GET THE FUCKING GUARD". Just the fact that they know martial arts and fighting styles is eyebrow-arching. AcceptableBreaksFromReality, of course, but it's still fun to joke about.about.
*See above: ''"At this point in the series, I'm afraid that the story is something the producers '''[[TheyJustDidntCare just don't care anymore.]] Which is sad, because Soul Calibur [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot used to have some of the best stories ever for a fighting game]]'''"''. This. And that's what's bugged me about every game since Soul Calibur II.
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*** ''come from fictional places with different customs (Talim)'' - Talim is a ''babaylan'' and has a canonical background placing her in a Philippines-like tribe. Before the Spaniards took over and subsumed the country, while expectations and stereotypes still existed, the disparity isn't as uneven. For example, either child can be a ''Datu'' (social/political leader) but only women were ever allowed to be a ''Babaylan'' (religious leader), so Talim, being from a family that rears ''babaylan'' and being one herself, it's not that hard to see why she can have the freedom to do what she wants, even if SC technically happens in the 16th century.

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*** ''come from fictional places with different customs (Talim)'' - Talim is a ''babaylan'' and has a canonical background placing her in a Philippines-like tribe. Before the Spaniards took over and subsumed the country, while expectations and stereotypes still existed, the disparity isn't as uneven. For example, either child can be a ''Datu'' (social/political leader) but only women were ever allowed to be a ''Babaylan'' (religious leader), so Talim, being from a family that rears ''babaylan'' and being one herself, it's not that hard to see why she can have the freedom to do what she wants, even if SC technically happens in the 16th century.century.
*** '' they are either rebellious and not asking for anyone's consent'' / ''they broke the rules regardless of any consecuences falling on them'' - Which was unthinkable back then. I don't mean as in "Wow, that's pretty rare, nifty!" I mean "HOLY SHIT THAT WOMAN IS DOING SOMETHING WITHOUT THE MAN'S PERMISSION, GET THE FUCKING GUARD". Just the fact that they know martial arts and fighting styles is eyebrow-arching. AcceptableBreaksFromReality, of course, but it's still fun to joke about.
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** If you're looking for a backstory, Necrid is a former wielder of Soul Edge who was pulled into the dimension where Inferno lives and trapped there for many years. Eventually he escaped but his body was so warped and twisted that he couldn't survive in the human world without the energies from the fragments of Soul Edge.
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* Lizardman's derailment from a bad-ass dinosaur into a joke character. He started off as an EvilCounterpart for Sophitia, then in ''III'', he was filled with RageAgainstTheHeavens and could've gone into a real awesome story about his attempt to slay gods themselves. Also had [[AwesomeMcCoolName one hell of an awesome name (Aeon Calcos)]]. Then in ''IV'', he's just a joke character and the laughing stock of some of the SC fandom. I understand that at that point he was losing what made him human and became more bestial, but that could've been done ''without'' resorting into comedy. Instead, he could've led the Lizardmen with cunning guile and became a feasible threat to the SC universe. [[IsntItSad But alas...]]

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* Lizardman's derailment from a bad-ass dinosaur into a joke character. He started off as an EvilCounterpart for Sophitia, then in ''III'', he was filled with RageAgainstTheHeavens and could've gone into a real awesome story about his attempt to slay gods themselves. Also had [[AwesomeMcCoolName one hell of an awesome name (Aeon Calcos)]]. Then in ''IV'', he's just a joke character and the laughing stock of some of the SC fandom. I understand that at that point he was losing what made him human and became more bestial, but that could've been done ''without'' resorting into comedy. Instead, he could've led the Lizardmen with cunning guile and became a feasible threat to the SC universe. [[IsntItSad But alas...]]alas he was DemotedToExtra.
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** Women's right have nothing to do with that. Ignoring for a moment the fact that [[AcceptableBreaksFromReality the game needs a host of female characters]] to keep it varied, most characters have excuses for this: they are either rebellious and not asking for anyone's consent (Cass, Mina, Amy), higher forces ordered so (Rothion being denied by Hephaestus to go along Sophie), they broke the rules regardless of any consecuences falling on them (Ivy, Xianghua, Taki, Setsuka) or they come from fictional places with different customs (Talim). Hilde's probably the only unjustifiable case, but then again Wolfkrone is a fictional pseudo-country, so who knows what are their views on women. Also, there are cases where this issue is adressed, like Han-myeong in ''[=SC2=]'' noting the bad rep he'd get by letting Mina leave on her own.

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** Women's right have nothing to do with that. Ignoring for a moment the fact that [[AcceptableBreaksFromReality the game needs a host of female characters]] to keep it varied, most characters have excuses for this: they are either rebellious and not asking for anyone's consent (Cass, Mina, Amy), higher forces ordered so (Rothion being denied by Hephaestus to go along Sophie), they broke the rules regardless of any consecuences falling on them (Ivy, Xianghua, Taki, Setsuka) or they come from fictional places with different customs (Talim). Hilde's probably the only unjustifiable case, but then again Wolfkrone is a fictional pseudo-country, so who knows what are their views on women. Also, there are cases where this issue is adressed, like Han-myeong in ''[=SC2=]'' noting the bad rep he'd get by letting Mina leave on her own.own.
*** ''come from fictional places with different customs (Talim)'' - Talim is a ''babaylan'' and has a canonical background placing her in a Philippines-like tribe. Before the Spaniards took over and subsumed the country, while expectations and stereotypes still existed, the disparity isn't as uneven. For example, either child can be a ''Datu'' (social/political leader) but only women were ever allowed to be a ''Babaylan'' (religious leader), so Talim, being from a family that rears ''babaylan'' and being one herself, it's not that hard to see why she can have the freedom to do what she wants, even if SC technically happens in the 16th century.

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*** The whole ordeal (during ''[=SE=]'', atleast) was more in the lines of "Sophie was a BIG fan of ancient myths", nothing else: Before knowing the gods were actually real, she was actually very interested in ancient greek mythology and lamented how people of her time has forgotten about their roots and culture. After leaving the mandatory worship (mass, though I'm not sure if that's the right term), she used to have a "silent prayer" to the city's protector (Athena) only out of respect for the story build by her ancestors, not because she's secretly thinking they are real (yet). After they are found out to be real, she's still not going every odd day to pray for them, but just visiting the ruins of the temple in very special times (her engagement, when she's troubled in ''[=SC3=]'').



* What's the deal with Necrid? I'm just looking for more of the details, really. He seems really out of place in Soul Calibur II, and seems to have been included to make a deal with the Todd McFarlane toy company or something. The game reviews I read always said things like '...and Necrid Produced by Todd McFarlane toys(TM)' as if they'd been paid to advertise the company or it was a legal requirement or something. What was going on?

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** Sad indeed, specially considering his ''[=SC4=]'' profile is actually dead serious, and he's treated as a psycho killer who leads his troops into raiding towns and mass killings. Too bad the game itself didn't bothered with that part...
* What's the deal with Necrid? I'm just looking for more of the details, really. He seems really out of place in Soul Calibur II, and seems to have been included to make a deal with the Todd McFarlane [=McFarlane=] toy company or something. The game reviews I read always said things like '...and Necrid Produced by Todd McFarlane [=McFarlane=] toys(TM)' as if they'd been paid to advertise the company or it was a legal requirement or something. What was going on?



** Single women are more accessible to fanboys and shippers. Story-wise, though, it's a bit more surprising that they're actually doing things out by themselves without any men accompanying them. The Soul series is full of anachronisms, but I think the biggest is women's rights back then.

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** Single women are more accessible to fanboys and shippers. Story-wise, though, it's a bit more surprising that they're actually doing things out by themselves without any men accompanying them. The Soul series is full of anachronisms, but I think the biggest is women's rights back then.then.
** Women's right have nothing to do with that. Ignoring for a moment the fact that [[AcceptableBreaksFromReality the game needs a host of female characters]] to keep it varied, most characters have excuses for this: they are either rebellious and not asking for anyone's consent (Cass, Mina, Amy), higher forces ordered so (Rothion being denied by Hephaestus to go along Sophie), they broke the rules regardless of any consecuences falling on them (Ivy, Xianghua, Taki, Setsuka) or they come from fictional places with different customs (Talim). Hilde's probably the only unjustifiable case, but then again Wolfkrone is a fictional pseudo-country, so who knows what are their views on women. Also, there are cases where this issue is adressed, like Han-myeong in ''[=SC2=]'' noting the bad rep he'd get by letting Mina leave on her own.
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** Single women are more accessible to fanboys and shippers.

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** Single women are more accessible to fanboys and shippers. Story-wise, though, it's a bit more surprising that they're actually doing things out by themselves without any men accompanying them. The Soul series is full of anachronisms, but I think the biggest is women's rights back then.
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** [[NoGuyWantsAnAmazon You presume they get any offers]].

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** [[NoGuyWantsAnAmazon You presume they get any offers]].offers]].
** Single women are more accessible to fanboys and shippers.
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* Considering that the series takes place in the 16th century, it's pretty strange that Sophitia is the ''only'' woman that's married. It wasn't unusual for girls to be married at age 15/16 (around Talim's age), and girls like Cassandra and Seung Mina would be considered ChristmasCake material...

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* Considering that the series takes place in the 16th century, it's pretty strange that Sophitia is the ''only'' woman that's married. It wasn't unusual for girls to be married at age 15/16 (around Talim's age), and girls like Cassandra and Seung Mina would be considered ChristmasCake material...material...
** [[NoGuyWantsAnAmazon You presume they get any offers]].
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** You're basically right. Namco struck a deal to make Soulcalibur toys using Todd's company. In return, Spawn would be the XBox char and Todd would get to design a char. Todd came up with Necrid.

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** You're basically right. Namco struck a deal to make Soulcalibur toys using Todd's company. In return, Spawn would be the XBox char and Todd would get to design a char. Todd came up with Necrid.Necrid.
* Considering that the series takes place in the 16th century, it's pretty strange that Sophitia is the ''only'' woman that's married. It wasn't unusual for girls to be married at age 15/16 (around Talim's age), and girls like Cassandra and Seung Mina would be considered ChristmasCake material...
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* What's the deal with Necrid? I'm just looking for more of the details, really. He seems really out of place in Soul Calibur II, and seems to have been included to make a deal with the Todd McFarlane toy company or something. The game reviews I read always said things like '...and Necrid Produced by Todd McFarlane toys(TM)' as if they'd been paid to advertise the company or it was a legal requirement or something. What was going on?

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* What's the deal with Necrid? I'm just looking for more of the details, really. He seems really out of place in Soul Calibur II, and seems to have been included to make a deal with the Todd McFarlane toy company or something. The game reviews I read always said things like '...and Necrid Produced by Todd McFarlane toys(TM)' as if they'd been paid to advertise the company or it was a legal requirement or something. What was going on?on?
** You're basically right. Namco struck a deal to make Soulcalibur toys using Todd's company. In return, Spawn would be the XBox char and Todd would get to design a char. Todd came up with Necrid.
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*** Heh. If you read that on the [=GameFAQs=] forum for ''SCII'', then I think that one was mine.
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*** ...I'm pretty sure visiting a temple to petition a god or gods for favors/blessings and whispering prayers to those gods counts as "worship".

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*** Except [[Tropers/TheNoun my]] point is that it's also a good fighting game in it's own right, not that the outfits aren't revealing to the point of ridiculousness. I might be alone in this, but I'm capable of looking past the bizarre and revealing costume designs and playing what has come to be one of my favorite fighting game series. Others seem to focus on the costume design exclusively, unless
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*** Except [[Tropers/TheNoun my]] point is that it's also a good fighting game in it's own right, not that the outfits aren't revealing to the point of ridiculousness. I might be alone in this, but I'm capable of looking past the bizarre and revealing costume designs and playing what has come to be one of my favorite fighting game series. Others seem to focus on the costume design exclusively, unless
unless they're complaining about how the AI in 3 cheated all the time.
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* Lizardman's derailment from a bad-ass dinosaur into a joke character. He started off as an EvilCounterpart for Sophitia, then in ''III'', he was filled with RageAgainstTheHeavens and could've gone into a real awesome story about his attempt to slay gods themselves. Also had [[AwesomeMcCoolName one hell of an awesome name (Aeon Calcos)]]. Then in ''IV'', he's just a joke character and the laughing stock of some of the SC fandom. I understand that at that point he was losing what made him human and became more bestial, but that could've been done ''without'' resorting into comedy. Instead, he could've led the Lizardmen with cunning guile and became a feasible threat to the SC universe. [[IsntItSad But alas...]]

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* Lizardman's derailment from a bad-ass dinosaur into a joke character. He started off as an EvilCounterpart for Sophitia, then in ''III'', he was filled with RageAgainstTheHeavens and could've gone into a real awesome story about his attempt to slay gods themselves. Also had [[AwesomeMcCoolName one hell of an awesome name (Aeon Calcos)]]. Then in ''IV'', he's just a joke character and the laughing stock of some of the SC fandom. I understand that at that point he was losing what made him human and became more bestial, but that could've been done ''without'' resorting into comedy. Instead, he could've led the Lizardmen with cunning guile and became a feasible threat to the SC universe. [[IsntItSad But alas...]]]]
* What's the deal with Necrid? I'm just looking for more of the details, really. He seems really out of place in Soul Calibur II, and seems to have been included to make a deal with the Todd McFarlane toy company or something. The game reviews I read always said things like '...and Necrid Produced by Todd McFarlane toys(TM)' as if they'd been paid to advertise the company or it was a legal requirement or something. What was going on?
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* What bugs me is the increasingly rediculous character designs. Nightmare looked his best in SC2. Wasn't too bad in 3, but is completely over the top in 4. Sigfried was cool in 3 but again, outragous in 4. Astoroth went down hill similarly.

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* What bugs me is the increasingly rediculous character designs. Nightmare looked his best in SC2. Wasn't too bad in 3, but is completely over the top in 4. Sigfried was cool in 3 but again, outragous in 4. Astoroth went down hill similarly.similarly.
* Lizardman's derailment from a bad-ass dinosaur into a joke character. He started off as an EvilCounterpart for Sophitia, then in ''III'', he was filled with RageAgainstTheHeavens and could've gone into a real awesome story about his attempt to slay gods themselves. Also had [[AwesomeMcCoolName one hell of an awesome name (Aeon Calcos)]]. Then in ''IV'', he's just a joke character and the laughing stock of some of the SC fandom. I understand that at that point he was losing what made him human and became more bestial, but that could've been done ''without'' resorting into comedy. Instead, he could've led the Lizardmen with cunning guile and became a feasible threat to the SC universe. [[IsntItSad But alas...]]

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*** Except [[Tropers/TheNoun my]] point is that it's also a good fighting game in it's own right, not that the outfits aren't revealing to the point of ridiculousness. I might be alone in this, but I'm capable of looking past the bizarre and revealing costume designs and playing what has come to be one of my favorite fighting game series. Others seem to focus on the costume design exclusively, unless they're complaining about how the AI in 3 cheated all the time.

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*** Except [[Tropers/TheNoun my]] point is that it's also a good fighting game in it's own right, not that the outfits aren't revealing to the point of ridiculousness. I might be alone in this, but I'm capable of looking past the bizarre and revealing costume designs and playing what has come to be one of my favorite fighting game series. Others seem to focus on the costume design exclusively, unless unless
they're complaining about how the AI in 3 cheated all the time.time.
* What bugs me is the increasingly rediculous character designs. Nightmare looked his best in SC2. Wasn't too bad in 3, but is completely over the top in 4. Sigfried was cool in 3 but again, outragous in 4. Astoroth went down hill similarly.
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** The console-specific characters' appearances are obviously not canon, and the Star Wars ones probably aren't either. It's just RuleOfCool in action and a bit more bang for the consumers' bucks.
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** Because it ''is.'' Half of the armor in the character creation are just cutesy frilly maid outfits and cat accessories for girls to wear before breaking them off.

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** Because it ''is.'' Half of the armor in the character creation are just cutesy frilly maid outfits and cat accessories for girls to wear before breaking them off.off.
*** Except [[Tropers/TheNoun my]] point is that it's also a good fighting game in it's own right, not that the outfits aren't revealing to the point of ridiculousness. I might be alone in this, but I'm capable of looking past the bizarre and revealing costume designs and playing what has come to be one of my favorite fighting game series. Others seem to focus on the costume design exclusively, unless they're complaining about how the AI in 3 cheated all the time.
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* I'm starting to wonder if the only thing people think about when they think of these games is how everyone is dressed. Hell, when people describe the Character Creator, they make it sound as if everyone ''has'' to be dressed Stripperificly, instead of it just being an option. And the actual gameplay rarely even gets a mention. I admit that the Stripperiffic-ness of the cast is pretty ridiculous, but some people make it sound like the Soul series isn't a game, but a disk with half-naked women in it

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* I'm starting to wonder if the only thing people think about when they think of these games is how everyone is dressed. Hell, when people describe the Character Creator, they make it sound as if everyone ''has'' to be dressed Stripperificly, instead of it just being an option. And the actual gameplay rarely even gets a mention. I admit that the Stripperiffic-ness of the cast is pretty ridiculous, but some people make it sound like the Soul series isn't a game, but a disk with half-naked women in itit
** Because it ''is.'' Half of the armor in the character creation are just cutesy frilly maid outfits and cat accessories for girls to wear before breaking them off.
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** Crossovers work for some people, not so much for others. Personally I have no problem with it, especially the characters who are fantasy-oriented (Link) or work in an encompassing way (Spawn, seeing as Hell would be a place where past, present and future are entwined). Besides, if it's non-canon for the guest characters it's no big deal.

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** Crossovers work for some people, not so much for others. Personally I have no problem with it, especially the characters who are fantasy-oriented (Link) or work in an encompassing way (Spawn, seeing as Hell would be a place where past, present and future are entwined). Besides, if it's non-canon for the guest characters it's no big deal.deal.
* I'm starting to wonder if the only thing people think about when they think of these games is how everyone is dressed. Hell, when people describe the Character Creator, they make it sound as if everyone ''has'' to be dressed Stripperificly, instead of it just being an option. And the actual gameplay rarely even gets a mention. I admit that the Stripperiffic-ness of the cast is pretty ridiculous, but some people make it sound like the Soul series isn't a game, but a disk with half-naked women in it
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** Link's not exactly a stranger to portals either...

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** Link's not exactly a stranger to portals either...either...
** Crossovers work for some people, not so much for others. Personally I have no problem with it, especially the characters who are fantasy-oriented (Link) or work in an encompassing way (Spawn, seeing as Hell would be a place where past, present and future are entwined). Besides, if it's non-canon for the guest characters it's no big deal.
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*** Being celibate doesn't mean she can't dress in an attractive manner. Athena and Artemis were celibate and virgins and are often portrayed in revealing clothes, or none at all. Besides, if anyone tries anything she'll kick their asses.

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*** Being celibate doesn't mean She is celibate, but she can't dress in an attractive manner. Athena and Artemis were celibate and virgins and are often portrayed in revealing clothes, or none at all. Besides, if anyone tries anything she'll kick their asses.also has a dominatrix personality. She swore never to be with a man, but she never swore she wouldn't be a cocktease.
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*** Being celibate doesn't mean she can't dress in an attractive manner. Athena and Artemis were celibate and virgins and are often portrayed in revealing clothes, or none at all. Besides, if anyone tries anything she'll kick their asses.
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**** [[Tropers.ReikoKazama My]] [[WildMassGuessing guess]] is that Cassandra somehow figured out (behind the scenes) that SC was (if I remember right... haven't played either of the 3 [yes, 3: IV, BD, and II in the order that I received them] games that I do have in ages XD) born from a fragment of SE, and therefore *[[BlahBlahBlah rambles on and on, incorporating segments from the above post and little figments of her own imagination and ends up getting weird looks from the surrounding tropers]]*
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** Link's not exactly a stranger to portals either...
* Minor nitpick: While in "blind stance" (well, in SC II for the gamecube, the only one I currently own), why does Voldo need to be looking over his shoulder at his opponent? It probably isn't a hindrance (this Voldo, after all), but it seems pretty pointless since he's blind. Plus, not looking around would have a more unnerving effect.
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** Link's not exactly a stranger to portals either...
* Minor nitpick: While in "blind stance" (well, in SC II for the gamecube, the only one I currently own), why does Voldo need to be looking over his shoulder at his opponent? It probably isn't a hindrance (this Voldo, after all), but it seems pretty pointless since he's blind. Plus, not looking around would have a more unnerving effect.
** He still hears, so he could be pointing his ears.
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* Minor nitpick: While in "blind stance" (well, in SC II for the gamecube, the only one I currently own), why does Voldo need to be looking over his shoulder at his opponent? It probably isn't a hindrance (this Voldo, after all), but it seems pretty pointless since he's blind. Plus, not looking around would have a more unnerving effect.

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* Minor nitpick: While in "blind stance" (well, in SC II for the gamecube, the only one I currently own), why does Voldo need to be looking over his shoulder at his opponent? It probably isn't a hindrance (this Voldo, after all), but it seems pretty pointless since he's blind. Plus, not looking around would have a more unnerving effect.effect.
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** Link's not exactly a stranger to portals either...

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** Link's not exactly a stranger to portals either...either...
* Minor nitpick: While in "blind stance" (well, in SC II for the gamecube, the only one I currently own), why does Voldo need to be looking over his shoulder at his opponent? It probably isn't a hindrance (this Voldo, after all), but it seems pretty pointless since he's blind. Plus, not looking around would have a more unnerving effect.
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** Well, I don't know so much about the male Characters' standard outfits (Though a couple of the costumes both now and in the past feature open shirts and the like), but you realize they can just as easily be clad in nothing by a loincloth or tightpants, right? It goes both ways here.

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