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*** The whole "SAMCRO makes its money by buying arms from the IRA" shtick makes no frickin' sense! The Provisional IRA (and its successors post cease-fire) raised or raise money by a variety of means (protection, robbery, smuggling to name a few) but certainly didn't do so by selling arms. In fact, the money was partially raised to fund arms purchases - the IRA and its Loyalist terrorist counterparts are arms importers. Any small arms coming into Northern Ireland would have to be smuggled in (given that no firearms, bar shotguns and bolt action rifles, are any longer produced in either the UK or the Republic of Ireland and private ownership of anything else is essentially verboten in both countries) and then smuggled back out again. From Ireland or the UK to the US, three countries with probably the most efficient law enforcement agencies in the world. Oh, and the Northern Ireland sequences were just embarassing. Belfast Police Department. Seriously?
*** I don't remember that the guns were coming from Ireland, only that the Irish were providing them to the Sons. Perhaps the Irish siphoned a few off and sold them to the Sons in order to defray the costs of the rest.

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*** * The whole "SAMCRO makes its money by buying arms from the IRA" shtick makes no frickin' sense! The Provisional IRA (and its successors post cease-fire) raised or raise money by a variety of means (protection, robbery, smuggling to name a few) but certainly didn't do so by selling arms. In fact, the money was partially raised to fund arms purchases - the IRA and its Loyalist terrorist counterparts are arms importers. Any small arms coming into Northern Ireland would have to be smuggled in (given that no firearms, bar shotguns and bolt action rifles, are any longer produced in either the UK or the Republic of Ireland and private ownership of anything else is essentially verboten in both countries) and then smuggled back out again. From Ireland or the UK to the US, three countries with probably the most efficient law enforcement agencies in the world. Oh, and the Northern Ireland sequences were just embarassing. Belfast Police Department. Seriously?
*** ** I don't remember that the guns were coming from Ireland, only that the Irish were providing them to the Sons. Perhaps the Irish siphoned a few off and sold them to the Sons in order to defray the costs of the rest.



* Okay, so in the finale, Jax goes on a rampage, killing all the clubs enemies and then committing suicide. The club is implied to have signed off on this, seeing him off and saying goodbye before he sets off. However, Jax does all this while wearing his colors and is the known head of the club and RICO is already established in this universe. Not only that, but all the members are painfully aware of it. While Jax may not care what happens to the club anymore, why would they sign off on the rampage if it was going to result in murder and conspiracy charges against every single one of their members?

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* Okay, so in the finale, Jax goes on a rampage, killing all the clubs enemies and then committing suicide. The club is implied to have signed off on this, seeing him off and saying goodbye before he sets off. However, Jax does all this while wearing his colors and is the known head of the club and RICO is already established in this universe. Not only that, but all the members are painfully aware of it. While Jax may not care what happens to the club anymore, why would they sign off on the rampage if it was going to result in murder and conspiracy charges against every single one of their members?members?
**They set it up so that what Jax did could never be tied back to them. The cops would no doubt go to them, and they'd tell them that they threw Jax out of the club (his kutte didn't have the President patch, after all), and then he lost it, shot Happy in the arm and then escaped. They may get some heat for it, but there's nothing concrete that proves it was a club decision.
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* How come SAMCRO doesn't give out additional rank patches such as Road Captain, Enforcer, etc.? We've seen other charters such as SAMBEL institute this (Luther Barkwill is Road Captain when we first see him), but not SAMCRO. Is it because of the short number of members in the mother charter?

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* How come SAMCRO doesn't give out additional rank patches such as Road Captain, Enforcer, etc.? We've seen other charters such as SAMBEL institute this (Luther Barkwill is Road Captain when we first see him), but not SAMCRO. Is it because of the short number of members in the mother charter?charter?

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* Okay, so in the finale, Jax goes on a rampage, killing all the clubs enemies and then committing suicide. The club is implied to have signed off on this, seeing him off and saying goodbye before he sets off. However, Jax does all this while wearing his colors and is the known head of the club and RICO is already established in this universe. Not only that, but all the members are painfully aware of it. While Jax may not care what happens to the club anymore, why would they sign off on the rampage if it was going to result in murder and conspiracy charges against every single one of their members?
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** Presumably they didn't want to stick around their crime scene after rousing up the whole neighbourhood by emptying their clips into the car.

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** Presumably they didn't want to stick around their crime scene after rousing up the whole neighbourhood by emptying their clips into the car.car.

[[WMG: Additional rank patches?]]
* How come SAMCRO doesn't give out additional rank patches such as Road Captain, Enforcer, etc.? We've seen other charters such as SAMBEL institute this (Luther Barkwill is Road Captain when we first see him), but not SAMCRO. Is it because of the short number of members in the mother charter?

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**** As I understood it, the IRA bought guns from Russia, smuggled them into Ireland then turned some over to the Sons, presumably at a large profit to finance the ones they end up keeping for themselves.



* In the second episode when they're staging a crime scene, why didn't they shoot the bodies first, then put the blood so it looked like it was oozing out of the holes? It would have made it look more realistic.

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* In the second episode when they're staging a crime scene, why didn't they shoot the bodies first, then put the blood so it looked like it was oozing out of the holes? It would have made it look more realistic.realistic.
** Presumably they didn't want to stick around their crime scene after rousing up the whole neighbourhood by emptying their clips into the car.
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** A condition of Otto's testifying was Stahl signing off on Luann's release ''before'' Otto gave any information. Once she was free, Otto knew it would look like he'd already talked, so he beat up Stahl.

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** A condition of Otto's testifying was Stahl signing off on Luann's release ''before'' Otto gave any information. Once she was free, Otto knew it would look like he'd already talked, so he beat up Stahl.Stahl.

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*In the second episode when they're staging a crime scene, why didn't they shoot the bodies first, then put the blood so it looked like it was oozing out of the holes? It would have made it look more realistic.
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not a plot hole


[[WMG:The Ireland Trip?]]
The entire Season 3 plot arc set in Northern Ireland bugged me. Mostly from a meta perspective rather than the plot - did they not realise they could hire actual Northern Irelanders to play the characters, rather than dragging a load of {{Fake Irish}} people from America? At least {{Oireland}} was largely avoided, even if Belfast is far more urban, cosmopolitan and well-lit than the series presented it. I almost stopped watching because of this.
** Well Paula Malcolmson, the actress that played Maureen is Northern Irish, so there's that.
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*** I don't remember that the guns were coming from Ireland, only that the Irish were providing them to the Sons. Perhaps the Irish siphoned a few off and sold them to the Sons in order to defray the costs of the rest.
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*** The whole "SAMCRO makes its money by buying arms from the IRA" shtick makes no frickin' sense! The Provisional IRA (and its successors post cease-fire) raised or raise money by a variety of means (protection, robbery, smuggling to name a few) but certainly didn't do so by selling arms. In fact, the money was partially raised to fund arms purchases - the IRA and its Loyalist terrorist counterparts are arms importers. Any small arms coming into Northern Ireland would have to be smuggled in (given that no firearms, bar shotguns and bolt action rifles, are any longer produced in either the UK or the Republic of Ireland and private ownership of anything else is essentially verboten in both countries) and then smuggled back out again. From Ireland or the UK to the US, three countries with probably the most efficient law enforcement agencies in the world. Oh, and the Northern Ireland sequences were just embarassing. Belfast Police Department. Seriously?
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* I've only finished Season 1 so far, but there was a weird continuity thing. Stahl arrests Luann for the drugs at her porn studio and threatens Otto with sending her up for drugs. So Otto appears to crack to make a deal, and then smashes Stahl's face on his table. But then Luann appears again at Abel's coming home party? How would she get out from under the drug charge, given that Stahl should be ''royally'' pissed at her and her boyfriend?

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* I've only finished Season 1 so far, but there was a weird continuity thing. Stahl arrests Luann for the drugs at her porn studio and threatens Otto with sending her up for drugs. So Otto appears to crack to make a deal, and then smashes Stahl's face on his table. But then Luann appears again at Abel's coming home party? How would she get out from under the drug charge, given that Stahl should be ''royally'' pissed at her and her boyfriend?boyfriend?
** A condition of Otto's testifying was Stahl signing off on Luann's release ''before'' Otto gave any information. Once she was free, Otto knew it would look like he'd already talked, so he beat up Stahl.
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** It's likely they do have a high weapon turnover, as guns used in murders connected to or ordered by organized crime groups are usually disposed of so that multiple killings can't be linked to each other or the group.

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** It's likely they do have a high weapon turnover, as guns used in murders connected to or ordered by organized crime groups are usually disposed of so that multiple killings can't be linked to each other or the group.group.

[[WMG: Luann?]]
* I've only finished Season 1 so far, but there was a weird continuity thing. Stahl arrests Luann for the drugs at her porn studio and threatens Otto with sending her up for drugs. So Otto appears to crack to make a deal, and then smashes Stahl's face on his table. But then Luann appears again at Abel's coming home party? How would she get out from under the drug charge, given that Stahl should be ''royally'' pissed at her and her boyfriend?
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Buying guns from the True IRA?
... makes no sense whatsoever. The armed Republican and Loyalist groups in Northern Ireland support themselves by a variety of means (protection rackets are favourite). However, arms sales have never been in a source of income because all these groups are arms importers and not exporters. Even if one or other group were to decide to export some of their firearms, the mark-up on a pre-owned AK 47, once you\'d factored in the cost of smuggling arms from and to countries with the most effective policing agencies in the world, would be insane.
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Buying guns from the true IRA?

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** Well Paula Malcolmson, the actress that played Maureen is Northern Irish, so there's that.
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The entire Season 3 plot arc set in Northern Ireland bugged me. Mostly from a meta perspective rather than the plot - did they not realise they could hire actual Northern Irelanders to play the characters, rather than dragging a load of {{Fake Irish}} people from America? At least {{Oireland}} was largely avoided, even if Belfast is far more urban, cosmopolitan and well-lit than the series presented it. I almost stopped watching because of this.

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The entire Season 3 plot arc set in Northern Ireland bugged me. Mostly from a meta perspective rather than the plot - did they not realise they could hire actual Northern Irelanders to play the characters, rather than dragging a load of {{Fake Irish}} people from America? At least {{Oireland}} was largely avoided, even if Belfast is far more urban, cosmopolitan and well-lit than the series presented it. I almost stopped watching because of this.this.

[[WMG:Guns?]]

* Do the One-Niners throw away their guns after using them a few times? Otherwise there's no real reason why they would have to keep buying more from the Sons, unless their numbers are expanding exponentially.
** It's likely they do have a high weapon turnover, as guns used in murders connected to or ordered by organized crime groups are usually disposed of so that multiple killings can't be linked to each other or the group.
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The entire Season 3 plot arc set in Northern Ireland bugged me. Mostly from a meta perspective rather than the plot - did they not realise they could hire actual Northern Irelanders to play the characters, rather than dragging a load of {{Fake Irish}} people from America? At least {{Oirish}} was largely avoided, even if Belfast is far more urban, cosmopolitan and well-lit than the series presented it.

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The entire Season 3 plot arc set in Northern Ireland bugged me. Mostly from a meta perspective rather than the plot - did they not realise they could hire actual Northern Irelanders to play the characters, rather than dragging a load of {{Fake Irish}} people from America? At least {{Oirish}} {{Oireland}} was largely avoided, even if Belfast is far more urban, cosmopolitan and well-lit than the series presented it.it. I almost stopped watching because of this.

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