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* In Zero Gravity, whatever the Arks of the Cosmos pick up shoots off after a while and [[MadeOfExplodium explodes]]. In the scene where the Babylon Rogues find an Ark (technically the first cutscene) he ends up picking up Wave and Storm. Shouldn't they have blew up too?
** That's simply [[StoryAndGameplaySegregation so that the stages don't become cluttered with]] [[WreakingHavok wreck]][[IncrediblyLamePun age.]] They never really made anything explode...except for that one time.
*** But, at the same time, it might just be that it doesn't cause people to explode. Besides, on Mobius Strip, you aren't the one who activates any of the [[GravityScrew Gravity Actions]] which affect you, and yet you don't blow up. Instead, [[HumongousMecha Master Core: ABIS]] picks you up using Gravity Dive. If we were going by the same logic as the first trooper was saying, then shouldn't Sonic and co. also get blown up?
** That's simply [[StoryAndGameplaySegregation so that the stages don't become cluttered with]] [[WreakingHavok wreck]][[IncrediblyLamePun age.]] They never really made anything explode...except for that one time.
*** But, at the same time, it might just be that it doesn't cause people to explode. Besides, on Mobius Strip, you aren't the one who activates any of the [[GravityScrew Gravity Actions]] which affect you, and yet you don't blow up. Instead, [[HumongousMecha Master Core: ABIS]] picks you up using Gravity Dive. If we were going by the same logic as the first trooper was saying, then shouldn't Sonic and co. also get blown up?
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** plus he was just following the rules of the competition
*** This. Just because Sonic ''can'' run as fast as the competition without a board or kart doesn't mean he ''has'' to. This troper rationalizes that he would be happy to follow the rules of the race, as he still gets to go fast.
*** This. Just because Sonic ''can'' run as fast as the competition without a board or kart doesn't mean he ''has'' to. This troper rationalizes that he would be happy to follow the rules of the race, as he still gets to go fast.
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** plus Plus he was just following the rules of the competition
*** This. Just because Sonic ''can'' run as fast as the competition without a board or kart doesn't mean he ''has'' to.This troper rationalizes that he He probably would be happy to follow the rules of the race, as he still gets to go fast.
*** This. Just because Sonic ''can'' run as fast as the competition without a board or kart doesn't mean he ''has'' to.
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*** Possibly that incident is ''why'' Sonic leaves all the maintenence to Tails- if the last time he tried it he missed a ''bomb'', getting the guy who actually knows what he's doing to do it is a pretty good idea.
* (Zero Gravity) So, Sonic fell from a high place while Tails and Knuckles could fly..... [[WhatTheHellHero and none of them did anything to help him?]]
** Most likely neither of them could drop fast enough to catch up with Sonic in such little time. Given Sonic had the three of them prep their Gears, they probably also assumed Sonic would have a plan going into this. In addition to that Knuckles can only glide and parachute so him trying to catch Sonic would probably end with them both falling and since all of them had at least one hand full, it would be impossible to perform a Triangle Glide unless they all want to lose their gears.
* (Zero Gravity) So, Sonic fell from a high place while Tails and Knuckles could fly..... [[WhatTheHellHero and none of them did anything to help him?]]
** Most likely neither of them could drop fast enough to catch up with Sonic in such little time. Given Sonic had the three of them prep their Gears, they probably also assumed Sonic would have a plan going into this. In addition to that Knuckles can only glide and parachute so him trying to catch Sonic would probably end with them both falling and since all of them had at least one hand full, it would be impossible to perform a Triangle Glide unless they all want to lose their gears.
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*** Possibly that incident is ''why'' Sonic leaves all the maintenence to Tails- if the last time he tried it he missed a ''bomb'', getting the guy who actually knows what he's doing to do it is a pretty good idea.
* (Zero Gravity) So, Sonic fell from a high place while Tails and Knuckles could fly..... [[WhatTheHellHero and none of them did anything to help him?]]
** Most likely neither of them could drop fast enough to catch up with Sonic in such little time. Given Sonic had the three of them prep their Gears, they probably also assumed Sonic would have a plan going into this. In addition to that Knuckles can only glide and parachute so him trying to catch Sonic would probably end with them both falling and since all of them had at least one hand full, it would be impossible to perform a Triangle Glide unless they all want to lose their gears.idea.
* (Zero Gravity) So, Sonic fell from a high place while Tails and Knuckles could fly..... [[WhatTheHellHero and none of them did anything to help him?]]
** Most likely neither of them could drop fast enough to catch up with Sonic in such little time. Given Sonic had the three of them prep their Gears, they probably also assumed Sonic would have a plan going into this. In addition to that Knuckles can only glide and parachute so him trying to catch Sonic would probably end with them both falling and since all of them had at least one hand full, it would be impossible to perform a Triangle Glide unless they all want to lose their gears.
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* (Zero Gravity) So, Sonic fell from a high place while Tails and Knuckles could fly..... [[WhatTheHellHero and none of them did anything to help him?]]
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* (Zero Gravity) So, Sonic fell from a high place while Tails and Knuckles could fly..... [[WhatTheHellHero and none of them did anything to help him?]]him?]]
** Most likely neither of them could drop fast enough to catch up with Sonic in such little time. Given Sonic had the three of them prep their Gears, they probably also assumed Sonic would have a plan going into this. In addition to that Knuckles can only glide and parachute so him trying to catch Sonic would probably end with them both falling and since all of them had at least one hand full, it would be impossible to perform a Triangle Glide unless they all want to lose their gears.
** Most likely neither of them could drop fast enough to catch up with Sonic in such little time. Given Sonic had the three of them prep their Gears, they probably also assumed Sonic would have a plan going into this. In addition to that Knuckles can only glide and parachute so him trying to catch Sonic would probably end with them both falling and since all of them had at least one hand full, it would be impossible to perform a Triangle Glide unless they all want to lose their gears.
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*** Sonic has a competitive spirit when it comes to races, so it makes sense that he'd want to best Jet and company at their own game, a challenge, instead of just running on foot the whole time, which wouldn't challenge him and would just be kinda boring.
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*** That, and he may just find it fun and cool to speed around on an airboard. After all, we've seen him skateboarding plenty of times; and airboarding is just skateboarding but even ''cooler'', so of ''course'' Sonic would be into it as a hobby.
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*** This is the explanation I give--that Sonic has to follow the rules, and being LawfulGood, if he enters a competition, he'll try to comply as best he can. You wouldn't run in a sack race. Sonic won't run in a car race. That being said, the whole thing about Sonic being "the fastest thing alive" was a product of the [=SatAM=] cartoon. This has never been canon in the games. Plenty of things have managed to outrun Sonic, alive or not.
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*** This is the explanation I give--that Sonic has to follow the rules, and being LawfulGood, if he enters a competition, he'll try to comply as best he can. You wouldn't run in a sack race. Sonic won't run in a car race. That being said, the whole thing about Sonic being "the fastest thing alive" was a product of the [=SatAM=] cartoon. This has never been canon in the games. Plenty of things have managed to outrun Sonic, alive or not.
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* (Zero Gravity) So, Sonic fell from a high place while Tails and Knuckles could fly..... and did nothing to help him?
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* (Zero Gravity) So, Sonic fell from a high place while Tails and Knuckles could fly..... [[WhatTheHellHero and none of them did nothing anything to help him?him?]]
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*** Possibly that incident is ''why'' Sonic leaves all the maintenence to Tails- if the last time he tried it he missed a ''bomb'', getting the guy who actually knows what he's doing to do it is a pretty good idea.
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*** Possibly that incident is ''why'' Sonic leaves all the maintenence to Tails- if the last time he tried it he missed a ''bomb'', getting the guy who actually knows what he's doing to do it is a pretty good idea.idea.
* (Zero Gravity) So, Sonic fell from a high place while Tails and Knuckles could fly..... and did nothing to help him?
* (Zero Gravity) So, Sonic fell from a high place while Tails and Knuckles could fly..... and did nothing to help him?
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** Probably because she was the only person he could place hope in, despite the odds.
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** Probably because she was the only person he could place hope in, since she's the smartest and trustworthiest, despite the odds.
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** Probably because she was the only person he could place hope in, despite the odds.
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** As a follow-up - ''why does Jet trust Wave to know how to stop the black hole?!'' If my technician had told me I could use these ancient artifacts to bring my ship to premium power and it turned out they actually created a monstrosity powerful enough to end the world, I'd fire them on the spot!
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** [[GameplayAndStoryIntegration The same way THEY'VE been getting warp drives out of black holes for their Gravity Dive techniques.]] Use the power of a black hole to [[GravityMaster charge up and re-direct gravity]] so you can [[NotQuiteFlight free-fall in whatever direction you desire.]] If you pay attention during gameplay, the characters using Gravity Dives even leave behind mini-black holes that you can ride through for a boost.
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* Wave discerns that the Arks can be used to power Babylon Garden's warp drive from the data she got - but they turn out to create a supermassive black hole. ''How the hell did she get "warp drive" out of "black hole"?!''
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*** A second note to go with above, if you read the bio for Sonic in [[SegaSuperstars Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing]]. It states that he can run faster then everyone in the race but to be fair he rides in a car. Whos to say its not the same for the rest of the series.
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*** A second note to go with above, if you read the bio for Sonic in [[SegaSuperstars ''[[VideoGame/SegaSuperstars Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing]].Racing]]''. It states that he can run faster then everyone in the race but to be fair he rides in a car. Whos to say its not the same for the rest of the series.
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** That's a good point. In ''Sonic Free Riders'', Tails says that '[Sonic leaves] all the tech work to [him]', so I don't know how he could have missed that.
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** That's a good point. In ''Sonic Free Riders'', Tails says that '[Sonic leaves] all the tech work to [him]', so I don't know how he could have missed that.that.
*** Possibly that incident is ''why'' Sonic leaves all the maintenence to Tails- if the last time he tried it he missed a ''bomb'', getting the guy who actually knows what he's doing to do it is a pretty good idea.
*** Possibly that incident is ''why'' Sonic leaves all the maintenence to Tails- if the last time he tried it he missed a ''bomb'', getting the guy who actually knows what he's doing to do it is a pretty good idea.
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** That's a good point. In <i>Sonic Free Riders</i>, Tails says that '[Sonic leaves] all the tech work to [him]', so I don't know how he could have missed that.
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** That's a good point. In <i>Sonic ''Sonic Free Riders</i>, Riders'', Tails says that '[Sonic leaves] all the tech work to [him]', so I don't know how he could have missed that.
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* Hoes does Tails miss Wave's bomb on Sonic's board? Sonic had to do, what, three more races after that cutscene? Tails is the team's engineer, doesn't he do maintenance on those things?
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* Hoes does Tails miss Wave's bomb on Sonic's board? Sonic had to do, what, three more races after that cutscene? Tails is the team's engineer, doesn't he do maintenance on those things?things?
** That's a good point. In <i>Sonic Free Riders</i>, Tails says that '[Sonic leaves] all the tech work to [him]', so I don't know how he could have missed that.
** That's a good point. In <i>Sonic Free Riders</i>, Tails says that '[Sonic leaves] all the tech work to [him]', so I don't know how he could have missed that.
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** As for him boarding outside of a racing context in the series, whenever he does, he's typically training for the races ahead(Green Cave, Splash Canyon, Metal City if you want to be technical), traveling through places where using his gear would be beneficial(Babylon Garden, Gigan Rocks, Crimson Tower) or he just happened to have his gear on hand and figured it'd be better to use it than to just lug it around. (Megalo Station, Aquatic Capitol) Besides this, [[MST3KMantra it's THE POINT OF THE GAME that he uses an airboard.]]
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** As for him boarding outside of a racing context in the series, whenever he does, he's typically training for the races ahead(Green Cave, Splash Canyon, Metal City if you want to be technical), traveling through places where using his gear would be beneficial(Babylon Garden, Gigan Rocks, Crimson Tower) or he just happened to have his gear on hand and figured it'd be better to use it than to just lug it around. (Megalo Station, Aquatic Capitol) Besides this, [[MST3KMantra it's THE POINT OF THE GAME that he uses an airboard.]]]]
** An old (now defunct) plot point from the American canon is that Sonic needs Super Sneakers to run at super"human"speeds. Said Super Sneakers are not what he's wearing to ride his board.
* Hoes does Tails miss Wave's bomb on Sonic's board? Sonic had to do, what, three more races after that cutscene? Tails is the team's engineer, doesn't he do maintenance on those things?
** An old (now defunct) plot point from the American canon is that Sonic needs Super Sneakers to run at super"human"speeds. Said Super Sneakers are not what he's wearing to ride his board.
* Hoes does Tails miss Wave's bomb on Sonic's board? Sonic had to do, what, three more races after that cutscene? Tails is the team's engineer, doesn't he do maintenance on those things?
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**** I've heard that Sonic himself lampshaded the kart-racing deal in one Archie comic, where upon being asked why he drives a car, he demonstrates by finishing a race in just a few seconds on foot.
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*** A second note to go with above, if you read the bio for Sonic in [[SegaSuperstars Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing]]. It states that he can run faster then everyone in the race but to be fair he rides in a car. Whos to say its not the same for the rest of the series.
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*** A second note to go with above, if you read the bio for Sonic in [[SegaSuperstars Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing]]. It states that he can run faster then everyone in the race but to be fair he rides in a car. Whos to say its not the same for the rest of the series.series.
** As for him boarding outside of a racing context in the series, whenever he does, he's typically training for the races ahead(Green Cave, Splash Canyon, Metal City if you want to be technical), traveling through places where using his gear would be beneficial(Babylon Garden, Gigan Rocks, Crimson Tower) or he just happened to have his gear on hand and figured it'd be better to use it than to just lug it around. (Megalo Station, Aquatic Capitol) Besides this, [[MST3KMantra it's THE POINT OF THE GAME that he uses an airboard.]]
** As for him boarding outside of a racing context in the series, whenever he does, he's typically training for the races ahead(Green Cave, Splash Canyon, Metal City if you want to be technical), traveling through places where using his gear would be beneficial(Babylon Garden, Gigan Rocks, Crimson Tower) or he just happened to have his gear on hand and figured it'd be better to use it than to just lug it around. (Megalo Station, Aquatic Capitol) Besides this, [[MST3KMantra it's THE POINT OF THE GAME that he uses an airboard.]]
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*** But, at the same time, it might just be that it doesn't cause people to explode. Besides, on Mobius Strip, you aren't the one who activates any of the [[GravityScrew Gravity Actions]] which affect you, and yet you don't blow up. Instead, [[HumongousMecha Master Core: ABIS]] picks you up using Gravity Dive. If we were going by the same logic as the first trooper was saying, then shouldn't Sonic and co. also get blown up?
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*** But, at the same time, it might just be that it doesn't cause people to explode. Besides, on Mobius Strip, you aren't the one who activates any of the [[GravityScrew Gravity Actions]] which affect you, and yet you don't blow up. Instead, [[HumongousMecha Master Core: ABIS]] picks you up using Gravity Dive. If we were going by the same logic as the first trooper was saying, then shouldn't Sonic and co. also get blown up?up?
* Sonic Riders makes it so Sonic's board is many, many times faster than he is (with the exception of one item in the new version). This is especially bad because previous game Sonic R had everyone ''else'' using karts while Sonic just plain ''ran'', and that worked fairly well. So why the hell does he get forced to have a board now?
** '''WRONG!''' The only characters who used vehicles in Sonic R were Amy (who had yet to receive her SA 2 speed boost) and Robotnik, and the whole game was oddly slow for a racing game. Meanwhile, in the ''first two'' Sonic racing games, Sonic Drift and Sonic Drift 2, Sonic ''did'' use a kart. It looked like his shoes. Even if those hadn't happened, though, I don't see what's wrong--Sonic's not a ''beam of light,'' things are allowed to be faster than him.
** ...Speed is his whole thing, he's the 'fastest thing alive', saying that some hoverboard is faster than someone that can move like he does is somewhat stupid
*** So hoverboards are alive now?
*** For what it's worth, in Sonic Battle Shadow was faster than Sonic. So "Fastest Thing Alive" is probably an outdated title.
*** It's been shown that Shadow's actual leg movements are slower than Sonic's. Shadow's rocket skates are responsible for his ability to keep pace with Sonic. And if '''06'' is to be believed, they're not doing as good a job of that as they used to.
** plus he was just following the rules of the competition
*** This. Just because Sonic ''can'' run as fast as the competition without a board or kart doesn't mean he ''has'' to. This troper rationalizes that he would be happy to follow the rules of the race, as he still gets to go fast.
*** This is the explanation I give--that Sonic has to follow the rules, and being LawfulGood, if he enters a competition, he'll try to comply as best he can. You wouldn't run in a sack race. Sonic won't run in a car race. That being said, the whole thing about Sonic being "the fastest thing alive" was a product of the [=SatAM=] cartoon. This has never been canon in the games. Plenty of things have managed to outrun Sonic, alive or not.
*** I seem to recall that the above is actually the official explanation for why he doesn't automatically smoke all of the other racers in the Olympics games: he slows himself down in the interest of fairness. So this explanation is most likely canon.
*** A second note to go with above, if you read the bio for Sonic in [[SegaSuperstars Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing]]. It states that he can run faster then everyone in the race but to be fair he rides in a car. Whos to say its not the same for the rest of the series.
* Sonic Riders makes it so Sonic's board is many, many times faster than he is (with the exception of one item in the new version). This is especially bad because previous game Sonic R had everyone ''else'' using karts while Sonic just plain ''ran'', and that worked fairly well. So why the hell does he get forced to have a board now?
** '''WRONG!''' The only characters who used vehicles in Sonic R were Amy (who had yet to receive her SA 2 speed boost) and Robotnik, and the whole game was oddly slow for a racing game. Meanwhile, in the ''first two'' Sonic racing games, Sonic Drift and Sonic Drift 2, Sonic ''did'' use a kart. It looked like his shoes. Even if those hadn't happened, though, I don't see what's wrong--Sonic's not a ''beam of light,'' things are allowed to be faster than him.
** ...Speed is his whole thing, he's the 'fastest thing alive', saying that some hoverboard is faster than someone that can move like he does is somewhat stupid
*** So hoverboards are alive now?
*** For what it's worth, in Sonic Battle Shadow was faster than Sonic. So "Fastest Thing Alive" is probably an outdated title.
*** It's been shown that Shadow's actual leg movements are slower than Sonic's. Shadow's rocket skates are responsible for his ability to keep pace with Sonic. And if '''06'' is to be believed, they're not doing as good a job of that as they used to.
** plus he was just following the rules of the competition
*** This. Just because Sonic ''can'' run as fast as the competition without a board or kart doesn't mean he ''has'' to. This troper rationalizes that he would be happy to follow the rules of the race, as he still gets to go fast.
*** This is the explanation I give--that Sonic has to follow the rules, and being LawfulGood, if he enters a competition, he'll try to comply as best he can. You wouldn't run in a sack race. Sonic won't run in a car race. That being said, the whole thing about Sonic being "the fastest thing alive" was a product of the [=SatAM=] cartoon. This has never been canon in the games. Plenty of things have managed to outrun Sonic, alive or not.
*** I seem to recall that the above is actually the official explanation for why he doesn't automatically smoke all of the other racers in the Olympics games: he slows himself down in the interest of fairness. So this explanation is most likely canon.
*** A second note to go with above, if you read the bio for Sonic in [[SegaSuperstars Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing]]. It states that he can run faster then everyone in the race but to be fair he rides in a car. Whos to say its not the same for the rest of the series.
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** That's simply [[StoryAndGameplaySegregation so that the stages don't become cluttered with]] [[WreakingHavok wreck]][[IncrediblyLamePun age.]] They never really made anything explode...except for that one time.
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** That's simply [[StoryAndGameplaySegregation so that the stages don't become cluttered with]] [[WreakingHavok wreck]][[IncrediblyLamePun age.]] They never really made anything explode...except for that one time.time.
*** But, at the same time, it might just be that it doesn't cause people to explode. Besides, on Mobius Strip, you aren't the one who activates any of the [[GravityScrew Gravity Actions]] which affect you, and yet you don't blow up. Instead, [[HumongousMecha Master Core: ABIS]] picks you up using Gravity Dive. If we were going by the same logic as the first trooper was saying, then shouldn't Sonic and co. also get blown up?
*** But, at the same time, it might just be that it doesn't cause people to explode. Besides, on Mobius Strip, you aren't the one who activates any of the [[GravityScrew Gravity Actions]] which affect you, and yet you don't blow up. Instead, [[HumongousMecha Master Core: ABIS]] picks you up using Gravity Dive. If we were going by the same logic as the first trooper was saying, then shouldn't Sonic and co. also get blown up?
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* In Zero Gravity, whatever the Arks of the Cosmos pick up shoots off after a while and [[MadeOfExplodium explodes]]. In the scene where the Babylon Rogues find an Ark (technically the first cutscene) he ends up picking up Wave and Storm. Not to say I'm upset about them not dying, but shouldn't they have blew up too?
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* In Zero Gravity, whatever the Arks of the Cosmos pick up shoots off after a while and [[MadeOfExplodium explodes]]. In the scene where the Babylon Rogues find an Ark (technically the first cutscene) he ends up picking up Wave and Storm. Not to say I'm upset about them not dying, but shouldn't Shouldn't they have blew up too?
