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* What's the deal with the Smile post credits bonus scene? To get it, you have to get the good ending and collect all the photos (or beat the game on Hard mode) and the fact that you get this bonus scene as reward is confusing as hell. First off, when is it taking place? Its weird to take place after the game since Alex and Elle are seen leaving the town at the end, unless Alex decided to take a detour to his house for whatever reason. And even if you buy that, why is Josh's ghost still here? If you get the good ending you lay his spirit to rest right? Josh was around in the first place to get Alex to admit to what he had done so why is the ghost still here? What the hell are suppose to think of this scene? It's too off putting and creepy to be funny (like the UFO endings are random but they're joke endings) and it doesn't answer any lingering questions or bring any sort of coherent new information to the table. It's not a jump scare since nothing jumps at you so it's not a last minute gotcha thing. So, why is it here? To confuse the audience? Is that why? The fact that you have to do extra effort to get this bizarre scene tells me that the developers either had this scene planned for a different part of the game but they changed something and didn't know what to do with it so they just threw it in here. Or its here as a fuck you from the developers, you put all that effort for this nothing scene congratulations. I keep thinking about this scene whenever I think of this game and I can't figure it out. Why is it here? What's the point? What is it?!

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* What's the deal with the Smile post credits bonus scene? To get it, you have to get the good ending and collect all the photos (or beat the game on Hard mode) and the fact that you get this bonus scene as reward is confusing as hell. First off, when is it taking place? Its weird to take place after the game since Alex and Elle are seen leaving the town at the end, unless Alex decided to take a detour to his house for whatever reason. And even if you buy that, why is Josh's ghost still here? If you get the good ending you lay his spirit to rest right? Josh was around in the first place to get Alex to admit to what he had done so why is the ghost still here? What the hell are suppose to think of this scene? It's too off putting and creepy to be funny (like the UFO endings are random but they're joke endings) and it doesn't answer any lingering questions or bring any sort of coherent new information to the table.table (like the UFO endings are random but they're joke endings). It's not a jump scare since nothing jumps at you so it's not a last minute gotcha thing. So, why is it here? To confuse the audience? Is that why? The fact that you have to do extra effort to get this bizarre scene tells me that the developers either had this scene planned for a different part of the game but they changed something and didn't know what to do with it so they just threw it in here. Or its here as a fuck you from the developers, you put all that effort for this nothing scene congratulations. I keep thinking about this scene whenever I think of this game and I can't figure it out. Why is it here? What's the point? What is it?!

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* What's the deal with the Smile post credits bonus scene? To get it, you have to get the good ending and collect all the photos (or beat the game on Hard mode) and the fact that you get this bonus scene as reward is confusing as hell. First off, when is it taking place? Its weird to take place after the game since Alex and Elle are seen leaving the town at the end, unless Alex decided to take a detour to his house for whatever reason. And even if you buy that, why is Josh's ghost still here? If you get the good ending you lay his spirit to rest right? Josh was around in the first place to get Alex to admit to what he had done so why is the ghost still here? What the hell are suppose to think of this scene? It's too off putting and creepy to be funny (like the UFO endings are random but they're joke endings) and it doesn't answer any lingering questions or bring any sort of coherent new information to the table. It's not a jump scare since nothing jumps at you so it's not a last minute gotcha thing. So, why is it here? To confuse the audience?
The fact that you have to do extra effort to get this bizarre scene tells me that the developers either had this scene planned for a different part of the game but they changed something and didn't know what to do with it so they just threw it in. Or its here as a fuck you from the developers, you put all that effort for this nothing scene congratulations. I keep thinking about this scene whenever I think of this game and I can't figure it out.

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* What's the deal with the Smile post credits bonus scene? To get it, you have to get the good ending and collect all the photos (or beat the game on Hard mode) and the fact that you get this bonus scene as reward is confusing as hell. First off, when is it taking place? Its weird to take place after the game since Alex and Elle are seen leaving the town at the end, unless Alex decided to take a detour to his house for whatever reason. And even if you buy that, why is Josh's ghost still here? If you get the good ending you lay his spirit to rest right? Josh was around in the first place to get Alex to admit to what he had done so why is the ghost still here? What the hell are suppose to think of this scene? It's too off putting and creepy to be funny (like the UFO endings are random but they're joke endings) and it doesn't answer any lingering questions or bring any sort of coherent new information to the table. It's not a jump scare since nothing jumps at you so it's not a last minute gotcha thing. So, why is it here? To confuse the audience?
audience? Is that why? The fact that you have to do extra effort to get this bizarre scene tells me that the developers either had this scene planned for a different part of the game but they changed something and didn't know what to do with it so they just threw it in.in here. Or its here as a fuck you from the developers, you put all that effort for this nothing scene congratulations. I keep thinking about this scene whenever I think of this game and I can't figure it out. Why is it here? What's the point? What is it?!

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* What's the deal with the Smile post credits scene? To get it, you have to get the good ending and collect all the photos and the fact that you get this bonus scene is confusing as hell. First off, when is it taking place? Its weird to take place after the game since Alex and Elle are seen leaving the town at the end, unless Alex decided to take a detour to his house for whatever reason. And even if you buy that, why is Josh's ghost still here? If you get the good ending you lay his spirit to rest right? And Josh was around in the first place to get Alex to admit to what he had done so why is the ghost still here?

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* What's the deal with the Smile post credits bonus scene? To get it, you have to get the good ending and collect all the photos (or beat the game on Hard mode) and the fact that you get this bonus scene as reward is confusing as hell. First off, when is it taking place? Its weird to take place after the game since Alex and Elle are seen leaving the town at the end, unless Alex decided to take a detour to his house for whatever reason. And even if you buy that, why is Josh's ghost still here? If you get the good ending you lay his spirit to rest right? And Josh was around in the first place to get Alex to admit to what he had done so why is the ghost still here?here? What the hell are suppose to think of this scene? It's too off putting and creepy to be funny (like the UFO endings are random but they're joke endings) and it doesn't answer any lingering questions or bring any sort of coherent new information to the table. It's not a jump scare since nothing jumps at you so it's not a last minute gotcha thing. So, why is it here? To confuse the audience?
The fact that you have to do extra effort to get this bizarre scene tells me that the developers either had this scene planned for a different part of the game but they changed something and didn't know what to do with it so they just threw it in. Or its here as a fuck you from the developers, you put all that effort for this nothing scene congratulations. I keep thinking about this scene whenever I think of this game and I can't figure it out.
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*What's the deal with the Smile post credits scene? To get it, you have to get the good ending and collect all the photos and the fact that you get this bonus scene is confusing as hell. First off, when is it taking place? Its weird to take place after the game since Alex and Elle are seen leaving the town at the end, unless Alex decided to take a detour to his house for whatever reason. And even if you buy that, why is Josh's ghost still here? If you get the good ending you lay his spirit to rest right? And Josh was around in the first place to get Alex to admit to what he had done so why is the ghost still here?
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** I always was under the impression that the Shepherds told the other families that Josh ''had'' been sacrificed. I mean, there were no witnesses besides Alex, who was quickly shipped off to an institution, and Josh died on the water. It would have been relatively easy for them to claim that they'd drowned Josh and made it look like an accident, or that Alex had drowned Josh to save himself from being the sacrifice, or any scenario that resulted in Josh having been a valid sacrifice. Maybe they even hoped it was true; that way, there was no need to sacrifice Alex, and Josh's death at least meant something. At any rate, if they had immediately admitted to the other families that Josh had died in an accident and they were refusing to sacrifice their remaining son, do you really think the other families wouldn't have tried to find Alex and drag him back so they could force Adam to perform the sacrifice, or otherwise completely fixated on forcing the Shepherds to sacrifice someone, anyone, to appease the powers that be? Instead, they seem to have largely carried on normally for at least a few years. I'm sure they probably started to suspect someone had failed in their sacrifice once the curse appeared, but by then The Order was hunting them and it was too late.
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** More than enough time? Really? He has about two minutes, if that. And I don't know about you, but I wouldn't have any idea what to jam where. The fact that he doesn't even try is a little weird, but I think he's shaken by what he's seeing, what he's being asked to do, and maybe - just maybe - there's a little part of him that doesn't really feel a huge urgency to save her, anyway. I'm not saying he wanted her to die - his reaction to her death makes that pretty clear - but Silent Hill is kind of all about examining those deep, buried parts of your psyche that are ugly - the things you wouldn't want anyone to know. I wouldn't exactly be surprised to find that, with the way he was treated, Alex maybe didn't feel 100% enthusiastic about saving his mother's life, sort of in the same vein as, in ''SilentHill2'', [[spoiler: James telling Mary he killed her because he couldn't stand to continue watching her suffer - but when he realizes he has to be completely truthful with himself, that he can't keep running and hiding from the truth anymore, he admits, "No, that's not true. [...] The truth is, I hated you. I wanted you out of the way. I wanted my life back..."]].

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** More than enough time? Really? He has about two minutes, if that. And I don't know about you, but I wouldn't have any idea what to jam where. The fact that he doesn't even try is a little weird, but I think he's shaken by what he's seeing, what he's being asked to do, and maybe - just maybe - there's a little part of him that doesn't really feel a huge urgency to save her, anyway. I'm not saying he wanted her to die - his reaction to her death makes that pretty clear - but Silent Hill is kind of all about examining those deep, buried parts of your psyche that are ugly - the things you wouldn't want anyone to know. I wouldn't exactly be surprised to find that, with the way he was treated, Alex maybe didn't feel 100% enthusiastic about saving his mother's life, sort of in the same vein as, in ''SilentHill2'', ''VideoGame/SilentHill2'', [[spoiler: James telling Mary he killed her because he couldn't stand to continue watching her suffer - but when he realizes he has to be completely truthful with himself, that he can't keep running and hiding from the truth anymore, he admits, "No, that's not true. [...] The truth is, I hated you. I wanted you out of the way. I wanted my life back..."]].

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** That adds another Fridge Horror onto itself that there eventually be no one else to sacrifice until each and every one is gone... Also, it could be that the families are starting to face a situation like Adam and Lillian's. They loved Alex but didn't want to show it because he was the family sacrifice, but when they lost Josh, they didn't want to lose both their children.

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** That adds another Fridge Horror onto itself that there eventually be no one else to sacrifice until each and every one is gone... Also, it ** It could be that the families are starting to face a situation like Adam and Lillian's. They loved Alex but didn't want to show it because he was the family sacrifice, but when they lost Josh, they didn't want to lose both their children. The large age gap between Alex and Josh can also be evident of them not expecting/wanting anymore kids. They treated Alex terribly for a good 8-9 years before Josh was around anyway.
** That adds another Fridge Horror onto itself that there eventually be no one else to sacrifice until each and every one is gone...
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** That adds another Fridge Horror onto itself that there eventually be no one else to sacrifice until each and every one is gone... Also, it could be that the families are starting to face a situation like Adam and Lillian's. They loved Alex but didn't want to show it because he was the family sacrifice, but when they lost Josh, they didn't want to lose both their children.
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*** What's more, Adam and Lillian may not have been expecting to have another son when they signed Alex's name on the sarcophagus in the Lair. Fitch and Bartlett had only one child each, whom they still killed. It seems that once the name is put down, it can't be undone or replaced. Adam says something to this effect in Alex's flashback in the "we chose you, not him" vein.
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** I think it's the inverse, actually. They could have claimed Josh, but it was not an intentional sacrifice. A sacrifice is something WILLINGLY GIVEN. Josh bonking his head and then drowning isn't a sacrifice, it's a tragic death, and not counting towards the debt to the Gods. I believe it would be like taking roadkill and trying to pass it off as a meal.
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** I think it's the inverse, actually. They could have claimed Josh, but it was not an intentional sacrifice. A sacrifice is something WILLINGLY GIVEN. Josh bonking his head and then drowning isn't a sacrifice, it's a tragic death, and not counting towards the debt to the Gods. I believe it would be like taking roadkill and trying to pass it off as a meal.
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** There’s nothing stated in the game saying that all sacrifices must be children, instead that the person must be a son/daughter of the current head of the family.While sacrificing Josh would be easier due to being smaller and weaker, it may have been an advantage to keep the youngest alive. Josh would be more impressionable to his family’s beliefs and can be taught/brainwashed easier that the fifty year sacrifice is a necessary part of his life (despite how morally wrong it is). This is opposed to Alex who, being older and wiser, would more likely question and renegade against the town’s traditions, choosing not to sacrifice his future child as a result. Also, since Josh meant so much to Alex having Josh killed would most likely anger Alex greatly that it would push him to rebel against his family. The youngest may have also been chosen by Adam to be kept alive so that Josh will live longer into the future (Josh was nine whilst Alex was eighteen during the sacrificial period). The reason could be down to the family’s preferences. Judge Holloway felt that she could bring her eldest daughter round to the family’s way of thinking whilst killing the youngest child who has not had much influence would make sense to her. Scarlet and Joey were killed because they were the only child of each of head of the family. For why Adam and Lillian would choose to kill the stronger and resilient Alex? It’s unknown how long the family had mistreated Alex throughout his life, but’s it’s made clear that they treated Alex horribly. According to his confession during Alex’s time in the Order’s church, Adam’s plan was to make his son’s life a misery so that he would be willing to end his life (this plan failed as while Alex hated his life, he wanted to escape to the outer world as opposed to choosing to die).

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** There’s nothing stated in the game saying that all sacrifices must be children, instead that the person must be a son/daughter of the current head of the family. While sacrificing Josh would be easier due to being smaller and weaker, it may have been an advantage to keep the youngest alive. Josh would be more impressionable to his family’s beliefs and can be taught/brainwashed easier that the fifty year sacrifice is a necessary part of his life (despite how morally wrong it is). This is opposed to Alex who, being older and wiser, would more likely question and renegade against the town’s traditions, choosing not to sacrifice his future child as a result. Also, since Josh meant so much to Alex having Josh killed would most likely anger Alex greatly that it would push him to rebel against his family. The youngest may have also been chosen by Adam to be kept alive so that Josh will live longer into the future (Josh was nine whilst Alex was eighteen during the sacrificial period). The reason could be down to the family’s preferences. Judge Holloway felt that she could bring her eldest daughter round to the family’s way of thinking whilst killing the youngest child who has not had much influence would make sense to her. Scarlet and Joey were killed because they were the only child of each of head of the family. For why Adam and Lillian would choose to kill the stronger and resilient Alex? It’s unknown how long the family had mistreated Alex throughout his life, but’s it’s made clear that they treated Alex horribly. According to his confession during Alex’s time in the Order’s church, Adam’s plan was to make his son’s life a misery so that he would be willing to end his life (this plan failed as while Alex hated his life, he wanted to escape to the outer world as opposed to choosing to die).
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**There’s nothing stated in the game saying that all sacrifices must be children, instead that the person must be a son/daughter of the current head of the family.While sacrificing Josh would be easier due to being smaller and weaker, it may have been an advantage to keep the youngest alive. Josh would be more impressionable to his family’s beliefs and can be taught/brainwashed easier that the fifty year sacrifice is a necessary part of his life (despite how morally wrong it is). This is opposed to Alex who, being older and wiser, would more likely question and renegade against the town’s traditions, choosing not to sacrifice his future child as a result. Also, since Josh meant so much to Alex having Josh killed would most likely anger Alex greatly that it would push him to rebel against his family. The youngest may have also been chosen by Adam to be kept alive so that Josh will live longer into the future (Josh was nine whilst Alex was eighteen during the sacrificial period). The reason could be down to the family’s preferences. Judge Holloway felt that she could bring her eldest daughter round to the family’s way of thinking whilst killing the youngest child who has not had much influence would make sense to her. Scarlet and Joey were killed because they were the only child of each of head of the family. For why Adam and Lillian would choose to kill the stronger and resilient Alex? It’s unknown how long the family had mistreated Alex throughout his life, but’s it’s made clear that they treated Alex horribly. According to his confession during Alex’s time in the Order’s church, Adam’s plan was to make his son’s life a misery so that he would be willing to end his life (this plan failed as while Alex hated his life, he wanted to escape to the outer world as opposed to choosing to die).
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* This troper read a fanfic where Adam had taken Josh fishing that day (without Alex, of course) and Alex says that he and Josh always did something together after Josh got to do something with their parents without him. I rather liked that idea, so I like to think that was why they went out on the lake. Although in a way, that kind of makes it even MORE tragic...
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*** Elle is actually the older sister, so that shoots that theory down.
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** Probably? Evil gods are rarely portrayed as caring ''why'' they aren't getting what they were promised.
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* If Alex was the intended sacrifice, why wait until he's clearly in his 20s and old enough/strong enough to fight back? Why ''not'' make Josh the intended sacrifice? Aside from the [[MSTKMantra "a kid isn't a believable Silent Hill protagonist"]] reason. He's younger, weaker, and easier to kill. Plus, it would match up with the others - all the other sacrifices were Josh's age, including Nora Holloway. Even Judge Holloway seemed to see the wisdom in choosing the younger/weaker one over the grown-up Elle.

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* If Alex was the intended sacrifice, why wait until he's clearly in his 20s and old enough/strong enough to fight back? Why ''not'' make Josh the intended sacrifice? Aside from the [[MSTKMantra [[MST3KMantra "a kid isn't a believable Silent Hill protagonist"]] reason. He's younger, weaker, and easier to kill. Plus, it would match up with the others - all the other sacrifices were Josh's age, including Nora Holloway. Even Judge Holloway seemed to see the wisdom in choosing the younger/weaker one over the grown-up Elle.
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* If Alex was the intended sacrifice, why wait until he's clearly in his 20s and old enough/strong enough to fight back? Why ''not'' make Josh the intended sacrifice? Aside from the [[MSTKMantra "a kid isn't a believable Silent Hill protagonist"]] reason. He's younger, weaker, and easier to kill. Plus, it would match up with the others - all the other sacrifices were Josh's age, including Nora Holloway. Even Judge Holloway seemed to see the wisdom in choosing the younger/weaker one over the grown-up Elle.
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* What would happen if an only child of one of the founding families (obviously one who wasn't sacrificed) grew up, got married, etc. but turned out to be sterile, and was thus physically unable to produce a new sacrifice? Would that mean the whole town was automatically royally screwed?
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* Each of the founding families are required to sacrifice a child every generation. Except child mortality rates are very high, at least one child has to survive to adulthood to bear the next generation of sacrifice(s), and having more kids also would make it easier to stomach killing one for the survival of the town. But the founding families all have ridiculously small populations--no branch lines full of uncles and cousins, at least one family with a single-child household (that they promptly fed to the gods when the time was right--so who's going to be the sacrifice the next generation?)...
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**** Also, Josh and Alex shared a bunk bed. It would be incredibly difficult for Alex to leave the room without waking Josh up, since Alex slept on the top bunk (if I recall correctly) and Josh is established to spend lots of time awake through the night with Alex's flashlight. So I'd say the easiest way for Alex to actually slip out of the house would be to take Josh along, sine he won't get tattled on that way.
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**** And Joshua went along because what younger sibling doesn't want to hang out with an older sibling? Big kids do cool stuff, and it was fairly evident that Joshua rather looked up to Alex.

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*** I always assumed it was a "first-born" thing. Joey and Scarlet are only children, far as we can tell. Elle's older sister is missing, since she was marked. And Alex was supposed to be the one marked, but because Joshua died--the son they had to compensate for their eventual killing of Alex--it screwed the whole deal.



*** I always assumed it was a "first-born" thing. Joey and Scarlet are only children, far as we can tell. Elle's older sister is missing, since she was marked. And Alex was supposed to be the one marked, but because Joshua died--the son they had to compensate for their eventual killing of Alex--it screwed the whole deal.

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*** I always assumed it was a "first-born" thing. Joey and Scarlet are only children, far as we can tell. Elle's older sister is missing, since she was marked. And Alex was supposed to be the one marked, but because Joshua died--the son they had to compensate for their eventual killing of Alex--it screwed the whole deal.
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* *** I always assumed it was a "first-born" thing.thing. Joey and Scarlet are only children, far as we can tell. Elle's older sister is missing, since she was marked. And Alex was supposed to be the one marked, but because Joshua died--the son they had to compensate for their eventual killing of Alex--it screwed the whole deal.
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* I always assumed it was a "first-born" thing.
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**** No, it doesn't make any sense. The idea that there was an "incorrect sacrifice" is a misconception. There was no "incorrect sacrifice" for the Shepherd family (or any sacrifice at all, as a matter of fact). What happened to the town is the result of Adam failing to sacrifice Alex, not the result of an "incorrect" sacrifice. I'll explain why. There are three conditions for the Shepherd family sacrificial ritual and they must all be fulfilled for the sacrifice to be accepted. In order for the Shepherd family sacrificial ritual to be fulfilled, Alex would had to have been drowned by Adam because: '''a) Alex is the intended Shepherd family sacrifice''' (his name is inscribed on the Shepherd family sacrificial altar), '''b) being drowned by someone is the Shepherd family sacrificial method''' (according to the Shepherd Family Contract memo in the game), and '''c) The sacrifice must be performed by the Shepherd's Glen Master of Arms''' (Adam Shepherd). Joshua's death does not count as any kind of sacrifice (correct or incorrect) because it fails all of these conditions: '''a) Josh was not the intended sacrifice''', '''b) Josh fell in the water and drowned by accident, he was not physically drowned by someone else''', and '''c) Josh was not drowned by the Shepherd's Glen Master of Arms'''. Judge Holloway says Adam is at fault '''because he didn't sacrifice Alex'''. So even if Holloway had tried to cut out the middleman and drowned Alex herself it would not have been accepted as legitimate because she is not the Shepherd's Glen Master of Arms. Josh's death by drowning is '''irony''', it has nothing to do with an incorrect sacrifice. Even with Josh's death Alex could still have been drowned by Adam. What happened is that Adam chose not to, which was his failing. That's why he wrote the letter in the Shepherd house attic expressing guilt, because he still could have performed the ritual but he chose not to.
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*** Does it really make sense for it to count as an 'incorrect' sacrifice? It wasn't the right kid, and it wasn't the right cause-of-death, and it wasn't ritualistic in anyway, but it's just ''assumed'' to be the ritual just because some kid of Shepherd blood fell in the lake?

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*** Does it really actually make any sense for it to count as an 'incorrect' sacrifice? It wasn't the right kid, and it wasn't the right cause-of-death, and it wasn't ritualistic in anyway, any way, but it's just ''assumed'' to be the ritual just because some kid of Shepherd blood fell in the lake?

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