History Headscratchers / Siege

27th Mar '14 2:38:48 PM Tuomas
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* ''Siege'': Starting with Straczynski's Thor and all the way through ''ComicBook/DarkReign'' we see that Loki is manipulating the events behind the scenes, and all this leads to the attack on Asgard. Loki is using Norman Osborn to instigate the siege, but then when it's actually happening he suddenly changes his mind and actually dies defending Asgard. The explanation Bendis gives for this is that Loki didn't realize how powerful Sentry was, and he didn't want Asgard to be completely destroyed. But there's still a couple of big questions left unanswered: 1) Loki has been observing the Dark Avengers for a quite some time, plus he's a freakin' god, so shouldn't he have known the extent of Sentry's power? 2) If Loki didn't plan the outcome the Siege had, then what ''was'' his plan? Why did he manipulate Osborn into attacking Asgard? This question was never properly answered, and considering Siege was the culmination of a huge crossover that lasted over a year, you'd think explaining the motives behind it would've been something Bendis & co. wanted to do? Also, in the ''Siege: Loki'' one-shot we see Loki manipulating Hela so that she promises Loki won't go to Hell when he dies. You'd think this was an important plot point (maybe Loki planned his heroic sacrifice in advance?), but as far as I know nothing comes out of it.

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* ''Siege'': Starting with Straczynski's Thor and all the way through ''ComicBook/DarkReign'' we see that Loki is manipulating the events behind the scenes, and all this leads to the attack on Asgard. Loki is using Norman Osborn to instigate the siege, but then when it's actually happening he suddenly changes his mind and actually dies defending Asgard. The explanation Bendis gives for this is that Loki didn't realize how powerful Sentry was, and he didn't want Asgard to be completely destroyed. But there's still a couple of big questions left unanswered: 1) Loki has been observing the Dark Avengers for a quite some time, plus he's a freakin' god, so shouldn't he have known the extent of Sentry's power? 2) If Loki didn't plan the outcome the Siege had, then what ''was'' his plan? Why did he manipulate Osborn into attacking Asgard? This question was never properly answered, and considering Siege was the culmination of a huge crossover that lasted over a year, you'd think explaining the motives behind it would've been something Bendis & co. wanted to do? Also, in the ''Siege: Loki'' one-shot we see Loki manipulating Hela so that she promises Loki won't go to Hell when he dies. You'd think this was an important plot point (maybe Loki planned his heroic sacrifice in advance?), but as far as I know nothing comes out of it.
27th Mar '14 2:38:35 PM Tuomas
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27th Mar '14 2:38:27 PM Tuomas
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* ''Siege'': Starting with Straczynski's Thor and all the way through ''ComicBook/DarkReign'' we see that Loki is manipulating the events behind the scenes, and all this leads to the attack on Asgard. Loki is using Norman Osborn to instigate the siege, but then when it's actually happening he suddenly changes his mind and actually dies defending Asgard. The explanation Bendis gives for this is that Loki didn't realize how powerful Sentry was, and he didn't want Asgard to be completely destroyed. But there's still a couple of big questions left unanswered: 1) Loki has been observing the Dark Avengers for a quite some time, plus he's a freakin' god, so shouldn't he have known the extent of Sentry's power? 2) If Loki didn't plan the outcome the Siege had, then what ''was'' his plan? Why did he manipulate Osborn into attacking Asgard? This question was never properly answered, and considering Siege was the culmination of a huge crossover that lasted over a year, you'd think explaining the motives behind it would've been something Bendis & co. wanted to do? Also, in the ''Siege: Loki'' one-shot we see Loki manipulating Hela so that she promises Loki won't go to Hell when he dies. You'd think this was an important plot point (maybe Loki planned his heroic sacrifice in advance?), but as far as I know nothing comes out of it.
** He did talk over with Osborne that Asgard "didn't belong" in Midgard. Perhaps if, during the seige, the current ruler were killed, then Loki would take power and take Asgard elsewhere (my theory, anyway, but you're right, it wasn't explained). Also...remember that Sentry [[spoiler: turned into a freakish monstrosity that a lot of heroes had trouble taking on]]. Probably not something that happened while he was "saving the day" in Norman's faux-super team.
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14th Jan '13 5:45:45 PM AmbarSonofDeshar
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* When the conflict is over, Steve Rogers has an interview with Barack Obama. Obama dismantled HAMMER and restored SHIELD, and proposed Rogers to head it. He agrees, but under certain conditions... and, in the next page, the Regstration Act was repealed, AndThereWasMuchRejoicing. But wait a minute... politics [[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem do not work that way!]] (at least, not in the United States). A law is not approved or repealled just because the president wants (or, in this case, because someone convinced the president that the law is a bad thing). In fact, real-life Obama knows that very well, doesn't he?. The Registration Act was a law, sanctioned by the Congress, so only the Congress can repeal it. And the "if you want me to head SHIELD, repeal that law" seems a very weak reason for the Congressmen to do that, doesn't it? Besides, yes, there was much rejoicing... among the super hero elite. What about the common people? The Registration Act was not sanctioned by Dr. Doom ruling the country, or by Congressmen who were mind-controlled or replaced by shape-shifting aliens. There were serious causes that led to the Civil War, and it was very clear at many places that among common people the Registration Act ''was actually popular''. Why return to the Status Quo that led to Stamford? Where is the Republican Party when you need it?
** This actually is possible, because the President can simply say that he will not *enforce* the law. As the Executive Branch is the one who is responsible for the enforcement of this law, he can start the ball rolling. It probably snowballed from there.
** There appeared to be some kind of timeskip in place there. Asgard had been rebuilt and all the superheroes had been reunited, so there was clearly some time between "I'll do things my way" and "No more SHRA". As for him being able to remove it, remember that the SHRA was only as popular as it was because many heroes were supporting it. Its biggest named supporter, Tony Stark, was now dead set against it. Thirdly, while they say its 'out', it doesn't appear as such. It seems more like its been downgraded from 'force every kid who gains super powers to register' to 'offer every kid with powers the option of signing on, but we're not going to lock you up for not doing it'. Lastly, the republican party is probably busy trying to find a leader who can think of a way to slanderize the fact Captain America is now working closely with Obama.
30th Jul '12 9:54:55 AM ablackraptor
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** This actually is possible, because the President can simply say that he will not *enforce* the law. As the Executive Branch is the one who is responsible for the enforcement of this law, he can start the ball rolling. It probably snowballed from there.

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\n** This actually is possible, because the President can simply say that he will not *enforce* the law. As the Executive Branch is the one who is responsible for the enforcement of this law, he can start the ball rolling. It probably snowballed from there.there.
** There appeared to be some kind of timeskip in place there. Asgard had been rebuilt and all the superheroes had been reunited, so there was clearly some time between "I'll do things my way" and "No more SHRA". As for him being able to remove it, remember that the SHRA was only as popular as it was because many heroes were supporting it. Its biggest named supporter, Tony Stark, was now dead set against it. Thirdly, while they say its 'out', it doesn't appear as such. It seems more like its been downgraded from 'force every kid who gains super powers to register' to 'offer every kid with powers the option of signing on, but we're not going to lock you up for not doing it'. Lastly, the republican party is probably busy trying to find a leader who can think of a way to slanderize the fact Captain America is now working closely with Obama.
16th Jul '12 2:30:56 PM Oregonaut
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This actually is possible, because the President can simply say that he will not *enforce* the law. As the Executive Branch is the one who is responsible for the enforcement of this law, he can start the ball rolling. It probably snowballed from there.

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This **This actually is possible, because the President can simply say that he will not *enforce* the law. As the Executive Branch is the one who is responsible for the enforcement of this law, he can start the ball rolling. It probably snowballed from there.
13th Jul '12 3:17:05 PM Oregonaut
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* When the conflict is over, Steve Rogers has an interview with Barack Obama. Obama dismantled HAMMER and restored SHIELD, and proposed Rogers to head it. He agrees, but under certain conditions... and, in the next page, the Regstration Act was repealed, AndThereWasMuchRejoicing. But wait a minute... politics [[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem do not work that way!]] (at least, not in the United States). A law is not approved or repealled just because the president wants (or, in this case, because someone convinced the president that the law is a bad thing). In fact, real-life Obama knows that very well, doesn't he?. The Registration Act was a law, sanctioned by the Congress, so only the Congress can repeal it. And the "if you want me to head SHIELD, repeal that law" seems a very weak reason for the Congressmen to do that, doesn't it? Besides, yes, there was much rejoicing... among the super hero elite. What about the common people? The Registration Act was not sanctioned by Dr. Doom ruling the country, or by Congressmen who were mind-controlled or replaced by shape-shifting aliens. There were serious causes that led to the Civil War, and it was very clear at many places that among common people the Registration Act ''was actually popular''. Why return to the Status Quo that led to Stamford? Where is the Republican Party when you need it?

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* When the conflict is over, Steve Rogers has an interview with Barack Obama. Obama dismantled HAMMER and restored SHIELD, and proposed Rogers to head it. He agrees, but under certain conditions... and, in the next page, the Regstration Act was repealed, AndThereWasMuchRejoicing. But wait a minute... politics [[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem do not work that way!]] (at least, not in the United States). A law is not approved or repealled just because the president wants (or, in this case, because someone convinced the president that the law is a bad thing). In fact, real-life Obama knows that very well, doesn't he?. The Registration Act was a law, sanctioned by the Congress, so only the Congress can repeal it. And the "if you want me to head SHIELD, repeal that law" seems a very weak reason for the Congressmen to do that, doesn't it? Besides, yes, there was much rejoicing... among the super hero elite. What about the common people? The Registration Act was not sanctioned by Dr. Doom ruling the country, or by Congressmen who were mind-controlled or replaced by shape-shifting aliens. There were serious causes that led to the Civil War, and it was very clear at many places that among common people the Registration Act ''was actually popular''. Why return to the Status Quo that led to Stamford? Where is the Republican Party when you need it?it?

This actually is possible, because the President can simply say that he will not *enforce* the law. As the Executive Branch is the one who is responsible for the enforcement of this law, he can start the ball rolling. It probably snowballed from there.
26th Jun '12 11:07:01 AM GrigorII
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* When the conflict is over, Steve Rogers has an interview with Barack Obama. Obama dismantled HAMMER and restored SHIELD, and proposed Rogers to head it. He agrees, but under certain conditions... and, in the next page, the Regstration Act was repealed, AndThereWasMuchRejoicing. But wait a minute... politics [[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem do not work that way!]] (at least, not in the United States). A law is not approved or repealled just because the president wants (or, in this case, because someone convinced the president that the law is a bad thing). In fact, real-life Obama knows that very well, doesn't he?. The Registration Act was a law, sanctioned by the Congress, so only the Congress can repeal it. And the "if you want me to head SHIELD, repeal that law" seems a very weak reason for the Congressmen to do that, doesn't it? Besides, yes, there was much rejoicing... among the super hero elite. What about the common people? The Registration Act was not sanctioned by Dr. Doom ruling the country, or by Congressmen who were mind-controlled or replaced by shape-shifting aliens. There were serious causes that led to the Civil War, and it was very clear at many places that among common people the Registration Act ''was actually popular''. Why return to the Status Quo that led to Stamford? Where is the Republican Party when you need it?
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