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** And subjecting underlings to YouHaveFailedMe because they'd dared to experience qualms about the morally-dubious orders they'd been issued is the Empire's way, not the Rebellion's.
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** According to Wookieepedia Mon Mothma was 48 at the time of this film, Creator/GenevieveOReilly is 39. So not that an unreasonable age difference.

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** According to Wookieepedia Mon Mothma was 48 at the time of this film, Creator/GenevieveOReilly is was 39. So not that an unreasonable age difference.



** Don't forget that when Ep3 was being made the idea of Rogue One wasn't even on anybody's mind chances are that since all her original scenes were cut they had no idea we'd been seeing the character on screen again.

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** Don't forget that when Ep3 [=Ep3=] was being made the idea of Rogue One wasn't even on anybody's mind chances are that since all her original scenes were cut they had no idea we'd been seeing the character on screen again.
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** According to Wookieepedia Mon Mothma was 48 at the time of this film, Genevieve O'Reilly is 39. So not that an unreasonable age difference.

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** According to Wookieepedia Mon Mothma was 48 at the time of this film, Genevieve O'Reilly Creator/GenevieveOReilly is 39. So not that an unreasonable age difference.
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** Just because the plans were stored on a large drive like that doesn't mean it was actually taking up the whole drive. It might have been taking up only a small fraction. So why would the Empire waste so much space on an oversized drive? Scalability. Sure, it may be individually cheaper to use smaller drives for smaller data sets, but that also introduces additional hardware standards that need to be accommodated throughout the facility, which has a cost of its own. Keeping to a single type of drive means Scarif only needs one type of storage rack, one type of computer interface, one store of replacements, etc.
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* It's easily missed but when the Y-wings make their attack run on the shield gate, they bomb the structure directly instead of the shield. It has no evident effect.

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* ** It's easily missed but when the Y-wings make their attack run on the shield gate, they bomb the structure directly instead of the shield. It has no evident effect.
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* It's easily missed but when the Y-wings make their attack run on the shield gate, they bomb the structure directly instead of the shield. It has no evident effect.
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* The current canon Vader comics confirm that it was his choice. The Emperor granted him a planet of his choosing, and even he was surprised that Vader picked Mustafar.
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* Why were the X-Wings targeting the shield itself instead of targeting the the shield generator? The generator was obviously unshielded because they are shown destroying turrets on it. Plus the Star Destroyer crashing into the generator is what finally takes the shield down.

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* Why were the X-Wings targeting the shield itself instead of targeting the the shield generator? The generator was obviously unshielded because they are shown destroying turrets on it. Plus the Star Destroyer crashing into the generator is what finally takes the shield down.



** It's a little bit of a plot hole, since the ''Tantive IV'' is shown in the Admiral ship's hold during the assault, but Threepio and Artoo are shown on Yavin after the admiral himself has already left. You could say the they docked with the command ship sometime during the battle but that almost seems too risky, since the Rebels plan relies on the Imperials not knowing a consular ship is even there and Leia's diplomatic immunity.

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** It's a little bit of a plot hole, since the ''Tantive IV'' is shown in the Admiral ship's hold during the assault, but Threepio and Artoo are shown on Yavin after the admiral himself has already left. You could say the they docked with the command ship sometime during the battle but that almost seems too risky, since the Rebels plan relies on the Imperials not knowing a consular ship is even there and Leia's diplomatic immunity.



*** Mon Mothma and Bail Organa were still senators in the the Imperial Senate, the reformed Galactic Senate that served to rubberstamp the Emperor's decrees and maintain the illusion that the citizens had some control of their government. It's not until Leia is captured in ''A New Hope'' that the Imperial Senate is dissolved - "The Imperial Senate will no longer be of any concern to us" bit.

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*** Mon Mothma and Bail Organa were still senators in the the Imperial Senate, the reformed Galactic Senate that served to rubberstamp the Emperor's decrees and maintain the illusion that the citizens had some control of their government. It's not until Leia is captured in ''A New Hope'' that the Imperial Senate is dissolved - "The Imperial Senate will no longer be of any concern to us" bit.



* I know ScifiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale, but this is ridiculous. How could two huge starships be hanging ''so'' close to each other that a slight push made one instantly career into the the other? And why would a slowly moving ship slice through an equally armored ship like knife through butter?

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* I know ScifiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale, but this is ridiculous. How could two huge starships be hanging ''so'' close to each other that a slight push made one instantly career into the the other? And why would a slowly moving ship slice through an equally armored ship like knife through butter?
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** If it was a retcon, it was Lucas who retconned it. Genevieve O'Reilly is the same actress who played Mon Mothma in the prequels. most of her scenes got cut and you can only find them in the special features, but she's been in Star Wars since Episode III.

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** If it was a retcon, it was Lucas who retconned it. Genevieve O'Reilly is the same actress who played Mon Mothma in the prequels. most Most of her scenes got cut and you can only find them in the special features, but she's been in Star Wars since Episode III.
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** Whatever information let Krennic to Galen might have been imprecise, meaning he may not have known if he'd come to the right farm until he actually came face to face with his quarry. If it'd turned out to be a neighboring farmer's property, then landing right on top of the residents' doorstep and destroying a bunch of their crops would have pointlessly antagonized the occupants, possibly giving them cause to transmit a warning to the Ersas. By being a bit more circumspect, Krennic ensures he can simply ask for directions and proceed to the right place.

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** It was stored on a datacard for safekeeping, and they likely only had time to make one.




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** Another possibility was safety. When he blitzed the soldiers, he had surprise and fear working in his favor. Whereas on the Tantive IV, the Rebel forces were set up and in position. Had he spearheaded the charge, he would be walking into a wall of blaster fire, increasing the odds of him getting hit or killed significantly.


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*** At that point, the Empire saw the Rebellion as small cells more like Saw's partisans rather than a large, unified movement. They likely predicted that Rogue One's assault on Scarif was more or less a small-scale terrorist attack with one insignificant group. They didn't expect a combat fleet to join the attack


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** Also, it's possible that a good number of the troops we see have been indoctrinated by Imperial propaganda (to them, the Alliance is a group of savage, violent, anti-human terrorists, dead set on destabilizing and destroying the "peace and prosperity" the Empire brings). As far as they see, the Empire does more good than bad (bringing peace to warring planets, turning untamed wilderness into prosperous resource depots, etc).
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** What I don't understand is why there isn't some consideration of the idea that Galen could provide valuable information beyond the Death Star to the Alliance? Also, what's stopping the Alliance from considering that Galen can help build weapons and tech for them? He's clearly a very skilled engineer and he could help design and enhance the technology for the Alliance. In WW2, the Americans didn't just kill the Nazi scientists and engineers when the war ended, not all of them, and had them use their skills to enhance their own tech when facing off against the U.S.S.R. I don't see why this isn't even brought up.

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** What I don't understand is why there isn't some consideration of the idea that Galen could provide valuable information beyond the Death Star to the Alliance? Also, what's stopping the Alliance from considering that Galen can help build weapons and tech for them? He's clearly a very skilled engineer and he could help design and enhance the technology for the Alliance. In WW2, World War II, the Americans didn't just kill the Nazi scientists and engineers when the war ended, not all of them, and had them use their skills to enhance their own tech when facing off against the U.S.S.R. I don't see why this isn't even brought up.
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** The impression I got was that Bail and Mon DID want him alive so he could testify before the Senate and the Alliance, it was only the General who wanted to go straight for assassination assuming that it was a trap. A better tactic/order would be "Attempt extraction but assassinate the moment things go pear shaped"

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** The impression I got was that Bail and Mon DID want him alive so he could testify before the Senate and the Alliance, it was only the General who wanted to go straight for assassination assuming that it was a trap. A better tactic/order would be "Attempt extraction but assassinate the moment things go pear shaped"shaped."
** What I don't understand is why there isn't some consideration of the idea that Galen could provide valuable information beyond the Death Star to the Alliance? Also, what's stopping the Alliance from considering that Galen can help build weapons and tech for them? He's clearly a very skilled engineer and he could help design and enhance the technology for the Alliance. In WW2, the Americans didn't just kill the Nazi scientists and engineers when the war ended, not all of them, and had them use their skills to enhance their own tech when facing off against the U.S.S.R. I don't see why this isn't even brought up.
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* Other than getting the plans out entirely by sheer luck and coincidence (and to provide a neat tie into ANH's opening scene, natch), what was Leia ''doing'' at the Battle of Scarif? Last we saw Senator Organa, he was summoning Captain Antilles to ferry Leia to Obi Wan's location; even Threepio says "'They' are going to Scarif?" rather than "We". Why would Bail put his daughter at risk by sending her to an emergency engagement with high chance of failure when she already has a very sensitive mission? Or, if it was Leia's own initiative to join the attack, what did she mean to accomplish?

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* Other than getting the plans out entirely by sheer luck and coincidence (and to provide a neat tie into ANH's opening scene, natch), what was Leia ''doing'' at the Battle of Scarif? Last we saw Senator Organa, he was summoning Captain Antilles to ferry Leia to Obi Wan's Obi-Wan's location; even Threepio says "'They' are going to Scarif?" rather than "We". Why would Bail put his daughter at risk by sending her to an emergency engagement with high chance of failure when she already has a very sensitive mission? Or, if it was Leia's own initiative to join the attack, what did she mean to accomplish?



** Maybe they did and found nothing (remember, the thing is ''huge''), maybe they did and found ''something else'' (which never shows up, because, well, why would it?). Remember that while the Death Star was (mostly) kept a secret until the events of Rogue One, it is not anymore after it and the Empire knows that the Rebels know. So having it mothballed until a flaw that might or might not exist is detected has considerable costs (not being able to use your best weapon) with little potential benefit. Besides, the Death Star nearly did win the Battle of Yavin, if it weren't for a smuggler, an ancient religion and "sheer damn luck". Notice the discussion early on in ''Film/ANewHope'' about the Death Star and the Rebellion - the only one in the room believing the Rebellion to be a threat to the Death Star is some low level grunt (compared to Vader and Tarkin) who is quickly ignored. Vader knows the Force is stronger than the Death Star, but it is unclear whether he even knows Obi Wan is still alive at that point and he surely knows of no other living Force-user (unless there is something in canon I missed).

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** Maybe they did and found nothing (remember, the thing is ''huge''), maybe they did and found ''something else'' (which never shows up, because, well, why would it?). Remember that while the Death Star was (mostly) kept a secret until the events of Rogue One, it is not anymore after it and the Empire knows that the Rebels know. So having it mothballed until a flaw that might or might not exist is detected has considerable costs (not being able to use your best weapon) with little potential benefit. Besides, the Death Star nearly did win the Battle of Yavin, if it weren't for a smuggler, an ancient religion and "sheer damn luck". Notice the discussion early on in ''Film/ANewHope'' about the Death Star and the Rebellion - the only one in the room believing the Rebellion to be a threat to the Death Star is some low level grunt (compared to Vader and Tarkin) who is quickly ignored. Vader knows the Force is stronger than the Death Star, but it is unclear whether he even knows Obi Wan Obi-Wan is still alive at that point and he surely knows of no other living Force-user (unless there is something in canon I missed).
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** It is also a base that has a lot of comings and goings of irregular troops, people hauling out with dubious launch protocol is not going to be new. We see it happen a couple of times during ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'' that many rebel groups pick their own missions. Rogue One acts like they have authorisation, they don't sneak, they respond to challenges, give launch directions, and even a mission name, so it would take a few minutes for the irregulars on the ground to try and work out if they really were authorised; so FogOfWar applies here. Plus there are covert sources inside the Alliance High Command who want them to do exactly as they are doing, so even if someone did try and respond with force then they might have been stopped from doing so.
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** It's likely also that the trooper waiting for the diskette was compressing the file to fit, and it was simply uncompressed when it reached Yavin IV.

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** It's likely also that the trooper waiting for the diskette was compressing the file to fit, and it was simply uncompressed when it reached Yavin IV.
IV. FridgeBrilliance: This would explain why Artoo needed to access the ''Death Star'' MasterComputer in order to figure out how to shut down the tractor beam. Even if he already had the station schematics on a data card inside of him, if they were compressed he might not have had enough memory and processing power on his own to decompress and read the schematics.
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* Just how ''does'' "Rogue One" manage to take off without being blown out of the sky? As mentioned, this is a secret Rebel base. The last thing the Rebels should want is to have some unauthorized departure by anyone who might give away their location.
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* How did Mon Mothma age 20 years in a few days? edited: before Return of the Jedi?

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* How did Mon Mothma age 20 years in a few days? edited: i.e. before Return of the Jedi?
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** Cassian's official orders, from the Rebellion's leadership (Mon Mothma and Bail Organa) was to extract Galen and bring him to testify about the Death Star, since Mon and Bail believed that the Senate could still force the Emperor to back down if they were sufficiently united. It was General Draven who ordered the assassination behind their backs. Cassian didn't disobey any of his ''legally-given'' orders, and in fact may have succeeded in them if Draven hadn't given him illegal orders under the table and then launched his own operation to acheive his objective, counter to the objectives of the Rebel leadership. Cassian isn't the one in trouble, Draven is.


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** And affluent planets do have full planetary shields, at least in ''Legends''. Not every planet, but enough that dedicated siege weapons (torpedo spheres) were designed to combat them. Coruscant has one, too, but it's only active when the planet is actively under siege. In fact, most planets with shields probably leave them down most of the time, to save energy and improve traffic flow. Scarif is a special case, as it's intended to be a secure facility on a planetary scale.


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* What exactly did Lyra think she would accomplish, marching across an open field, loudly announcing her arrival and intentions, and then targeting the only imperial who ''wasn't'' armed? Even if her shot had killed Krennic, his troops would have just gunned her down anyway and finished the mission without him. The smarter thing to do would have been to stick to cover, snipe troopers from a defensible position with an escape route, or at least engage them on her own terms. If it was so important to deal with the imperials near her husband first and foremost, she still could have saved him ''if'' she was a crack shot, ''if'' she had the element of surprise, and ''if'' she had prioritized those men who were actually capable of fighting back. Yet she squandered every last one of those advantages in a futile and pointless sacrifice, leaving her daughter to be raised by a fanatic guerrilla.

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* What exactly did Lyra think she would accomplish, marching across an open field, loudly announcing her arrival and intentions, and then targeting the only imperial who ''wasn't'' armed? Even if her shot had killed Krennic, his troops would have just gunned her down anyway and finished the mission without him. The smarter thing to do would have been to stick to cover, snipe troopers from a defensible position with an escape route, or at least engage them on her own terms. If If it was so important to deal with the imperials near her husband first and foremost, she still could have saved him ''if'' she was a crack shot, ''if'' she had the element of surprise, and ''if'' she had prioritized those men who were actually capable of fighting back. Yet she squandered every last one of those advantages in a futile and pointless sacrifice, leaving her daughter to be raised by a fanatic guerrilla.
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* Per the supplementary materials, Leia's mission to go to Tatooine and recruit Obi-wan was supposed to occur with Raddus's fleet flying escort most of the way, and they just diverted to Scarif instead. Given the secretive nature of the mission, going by Bail Organa's and Mon Mothma's dialog, it is likely that only Leia and a few on the Tantive IV were given the full details, and the fleet (including possibly Raddus) just thought it was part of some mission to hide the Rebellions warships in a remote area. as far as C3PO and R2D2, keep in mind that the CR90 corvettes can land on planets, as we've seen in Rebels. it is totally possible that the Tantive IV was on the ground when the scene happened, getting ready to take off itself, with the droids boarding just before it lifts off. then the ship follows the fighters up to the capital ships and docks with the Profundity before the fleet takes off, with Leia's mission either being overruled by Raddus's orders (he's an Admiral, she's just a senator, not in the chain of command) or with Leia agreeing with the diversion to Scarif to help rescue the Rogue One group. (it would be in character for her.) Presumably they had expected their show of strength to let the fleet get away, after which the Tantive IV could have split off while the fleet scattered to avoid pursuit, and headed off to Tatooine. it is also worth noting that Tatooine and Scarif are only a few dozen lightyears apart, so the Fleet was already going to be headed in that direction anyway. which may have played a role in the decision to divert.

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* Per the supplementary materials, Leia's mission to go to Tatooine and recruit Obi-wan was supposed to occur with Raddus's fleet flying escort most of the way, and they just diverted to Scarif instead. Given the secretive nature of the mission, going by Bail Organa's and Mon Mothma's dialog, it is likely that only Leia and a few on the Tantive IV were given the full details, and the fleet (including possibly Raddus) just thought it was part of some mission to hide the Rebellions Rebellion's warships in a remote area. as far as C3PO [=C-3PO=] and R2D2, [=R2-=]D2, keep in mind that the CR90 [=CR90=] corvettes can land on planets, as we've seen in Rebels. it is totally possible that the Tantive IV was on the ground when the scene happened, getting ready to take off itself, with the droids boarding just before it lifts off. then the ship follows the fighters up to the capital ships and docks with the Profundity before the fleet takes off, with Leia's mission either being overruled by Raddus's orders (he's an Admiral, she's just a senator, not in the chain of command) or with Leia agreeing with the diversion to Scarif to help rescue the Rogue One group. (it would be in character for her.) Presumably they had expected their show of strength to let the fleet get away, after which the Tantive IV could have split off while the fleet scattered to avoid pursuit, and headed off to Tatooine. it is also worth noting that Tatooine and Scarif are only a few dozen lightyears apart, so the Fleet was already going to be headed in that direction anyway. which may have played a role in the decision to divert.
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*** It's also possible to conventionally ''defend'' against Star Destroyers. The Rebels only made it off Hoth because the Death Star had been destroyed (and Vader wanted Luke alive). The Rebels' shield meant Vader could only blockade the planet and commit to a ground assault; the Rebels' Ion Cannon let them punch through the blockade and their fortifications and ground forces held off the walkers (briefly), letting them retreat in relatively good order. Hoth is the textbook example of what the Death Star was designed to deal with: an entrenched Rebel position too costly in lives and resources to attack conventionally, and from which Rebel forces could withdraw to keep insurrection alive.
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* Considering there were dozens of rebel ships in orbit over Scarif, how is it that there's only one copy of the plans on board one ship? Couldn't they have all picked up the transmission and made off with the plans, and the Empire would have no way of getting them back?
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** Indeed, it's entirely possible that there was ''more than one'' exhaust port that could've hypothetically been used to blow the Death Star to bits. Reactors that gargantuan probably need more than just one dinky little vent to send their exhaust through, after all. The rebels specifically selected ''that'' exhaust port because it lay at the end of the channel running around the Death Star's equator, hence would allow small fighters to approach dead-on while remaining under cover from most of the station's surface artillery.
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** It's also likely that his life-support system required recharging with power, gases, and/or nutrient solutions that wouldn't be available on a fleeing ship. Even if he ''could'' have moved fast enough to escape with the others, it wouldn't have kept him alive for long afterwards.

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** Also, by the time the team is on that mission, Cassian is clearly very fond of Jyn. It's likely that he also was reluctant to take the shot because he had promised her they'd bring Galen in alive. He has his orders (conflicting as they are), but he also is torn between following them and keeping a promise to someone he cares for.


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** Also, in addition to scrubbing nav data, it may be that the Profundity is crewed by staunchly loyal Alliance forces. They may have been interrogated, but didn't crack, only offering the Rebellion equivalent of the military "Name. Rank. Service Number."


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** Also, it's possible that the Death Star is able to move the "Shell" separate from internal components, in order to bring the main gun into a firing position
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** Also, Cassian is being told to kill a man that he's been explicitly telling his team (including someone he cares a great deal for) that they're going to rescue. That's also a likely contributing factor to his unease and the "dark cloud" surrounding him
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** Also, Tarkin may be moving to consolidate his own power. By ensuring that both a potential threat (Krennic), and schematics to any number of other superweapons are space dust, that leaves him as THE man in charge of THE biggest stick in the galaxy. As to a post-action justification, he could easily handwave it by stating suspicion of collaboration. After all, he knows Krennic is more than a little peeved about HIM getting the authority and recognition for the Death Star, so he could easily claim that Krennic had "allowed" the Rebels to compromise the installation, or, worse, that he'd swayed the Scarif garrison into trying to defect to the Alliance, and he was simply ensuring that there were no "traitors" that escaped the base.

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