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** I figured it was probably along the lines that nobody really knows how, and worse, nobody really cares. While possible, crossing the pond isn't going to be easy, and no crew is going to risk their lives, or god forbid, being stranded across the Atlantic just so one woman can see her kids again. As for the militia confiscating some of the bigger, better ships, i guess it could be just so they have them when/if they need them, and to make sure the rebels and/or Pirates don't get a hold of them. In the end, this is just one of the many cases of FridgeLogic this show has to offer.

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** I figured it was probably along the lines that nobody really knows how, and worse, nobody really cares. While possible, crossing the pond isn't going to be easy, and no crew is going to risk their lives, or god God forbid, being stranded across the Atlantic just so one woman can see her kids again. As for the militia confiscating some of the bigger, better ships, i I guess it could be just so they have them when/if they need them, and to make sure the rebels and/or Pirates don't get a hold of them. In the end, this is just one of the many cases of FridgeLogic this show has to offer. offer.
*** Would being stuck across the Atlantic really be that bad? The mention of trade with England strongly suggests that Britain still exists, possibly with the same government as before (Britain's current regime existed before the crossbow was invented and survived Cromwell and more revolts than I can count, and they're loyal to the government in a way we aren't, so it's actually likely). In fact, this is an excellent explanation for the seizure of ships: things are better in parts of Europe than MR, so there's a Berlin Wall situation, where Monroe wanted to prevent all his competent people from leaving.
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** You can't get large ships up the St Lawrence because of Niagara Falls, among other obstacles. With no power to the locks in the Welland Canal, it would be impossible to move significant amounts of freight through that river.
** Without food imports and energy infrastructure, Canada is too cold to support high population densities. Even in the southern parts, it takes a lot of land to support one person. My guess is that most of the surviving population moved south or became nomadic, or at the very least that there's no central government up there. The St. Lawrence was a convenient natural boundary for Monroe, so he used it. It's also possible that the Francophone and Anglophone Canadians basically wiped each other out (people who survive in a world like this, let alone become powerful, would tend to be violent, paranoid, and cunning).
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** Monroe has focused only on domestic authoritarian power, leading to MR becoming a banana republic. Georgia has focused on economic power and internal development, leading to industrialization and a higher standard of living. So where MR is a third world dictatorship, GF is a capitalist democracy. It'll be interesting to see how the other governments are -- my guess is California Commonwealth, from the location, name, and accusations of "heathens", is socialist. Not clear what Plains Nation is.

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** Monroe has focused only on domestic authoritarian power, leading to MR becoming a banana republic. Georgia has focused on economic power and internal development, leading to industrialization and a higher standard of living. So where MR is a third world dictatorship, GF is a capitalist democracy. It'll be interesting to see how the other governments are -- my guess is California Commonwealth, from the location, name, and accusations of "heathens", is socialist.socialist (Also, comments by Texans indicate that they practice a diversity of religious faiths, derogatorily termed "yoga"). Not clear what Plains Nation is.
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* Aside: It looks like The Patriots teach their conscripts how to read Arabic, which makes sense as an easy way to transmit orders in an effectively unbreakable code, due to the difficulty of accessing post-Blackout learning materials about the language.
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** Maybe they didn't for some reason, or can't read it as well.
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** Note: It's ~500 miles from Texarkana to Laredo, so for realism the show's writers should have extended the to and from journeys to about two weeks each way. (Avg human walking speed 4 MPH, 12 hours a day of walking)
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* If some random guy who did two tours in the Middle East can read Arabic, why can't Miles or Bass?
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** Supplemental canon material suggests that as soon as Bass got his hands on some weapons at his military base, he and Miles took off. Presumably other soldiers did the same, and when Bass and Miles got their idea to become warlords, anyone who remembered the two men from their military days naturally fell in with them.
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* FridgeLogic: With 15 years of rapid forced de-industrialization and concomitant population loss, the global warming trend in the world rapidly reversed itself and the fabled brutal winters of the 1970s have returned in force within the Monroe Republic and the Georgia Federation, while summers have begun cooling down and making those areas relatively more hospitable for humanity.
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* FridgeBrilliance: The map of Texas is not the real one. It represents Texas's Mexican ''claim'' south of the Rio Grande, while in actual fact the true border still lies along the Rio Grande. Thus, 70% of Texas's troops are actually sneaking around the border wall in the "Wasteland" to the west to slice across Northern Mexico and enforce their claim.
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* Exactly when did Randall find out about the pendants? For "The Patriots" to be able to dispense high-quality drugs to people like Gene Porter, they need climate-controlled storage, which spells "pendant for localized electrical generation". Considering it seems to have taken him fifteen years to get to the point where he could locate Grace Beaumont, how on Earth did the Patriots not end up being faced with heavily degraded pharmaceuticals that were useless to their plan of winning hearts and minds?
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* It's decidedly not clear ''where'' the border is. The show'w writers seem to have not really taken their mapping into account when writing out place names for the post-Blackout world - for example, referring to "Oklahoma" repeatedly when Texas now occupies that former state. Indeed, the opening shot over "the border" would seem to imply that actually the border still falls along the Rio Grande - and regardless, where are the "70% of Texas's troops"?

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* It's decidedly not clear ''where'' the border is. The show'w show's writers seem to have not really taken their mapping into account when writing out place names for the post-Blackout world - for example, referring to "Oklahoma" repeatedly when Texas now occupies that former state. Indeed, And the mono-color for Texas south of the Rio Grande would seem to imply that Mexico not only lost land to "Wasteland", but also to Texas. Yet, the opening shot over "the border" to Mexico would seem to imply that actually the border still falls along the Rio Grande - and regardless, where are the "70% of Texas's troops"?

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* Take a look here: http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/revolution-logo-500x301_1561.jpg
* What could that light represent? The Tower? Was Kripke foreshadowing the Season 1 finale even before the show started?

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* Take a look here: http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/revolution-logo-500x301_1561.jpg
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at the picture on the "Main" page for this series. What could that light represent? The Tower? Was Kripke foreshadowing the Season 1 finale even before the show started?
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* Take a look here: http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/revolution-logo-500x301_1561.jpg
* What could that light represent? The Tower? Was Kripke foreshadowing the Season 1 finale even before the show started?
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** Before the invention of the spark plug, there were plenty of gasoline powered engines (and some [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyr%C3%A9olophore non-gasoline-powered ones]] that used some other means of ignition. The term "hot Rod" came from one such system where a rod was heated at one end, with the other end extending into the cylinder to ignite the fuel, though that definition has long since gone extinct, like the proper use of the word "Decimate." So yes, it could be done. But good luck keeping a steady supply of gasoline once you have drained all the gas stations in your area.
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*** The pendants appear to invoke the Nanites' original purpose which, as we found out in an early episode, was to act as a cheap plentiful power source. The nanites go from absorbing electricity to supplying it, so long as the amulet is overriding their Absorption command. In other words, [[{{Spaceballs}} they go from suck to blow.]]

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Danny is blond in every modern scene...however, in the flashbacks (for example in episode 4: ''Plague Dogs'') He's clearly got brown hair. Did he get his hands on some peroxide?
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** There have been scattered references to gold, and [[spoiler:Drexel even hands Miles a bag of something in the "we're square" speech]]. Also, some supplemental-to-canon material on NBC's website indicates that gold is *very* valuable, and coexists with a paper currency; a rough exchange rate is 1600 Militia Trade Dollars per (troy) ounce. If the post-collapse societies don't care and use [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avoirdupois avoirdupois]], then 1250 Militia Trade Dollars per ounce (avdp).
** They use avoirdupois. 10,000 dollars to one pound was equated to 1250 dollars per ounce.

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** There have been scattered references to gold, and [[spoiler:Drexel even hands Miles a bag of something in the "we're square" speech]]. Also, some supplemental-to-canon material on NBC's website indicates that gold is *very* valuable, and coexists with a paper currency; a rough exchange rate is 1600 Militia Trade Dollars per (troy) ounce. If the post-collapse societies don't care and use [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avoirdupois avoirdupois]], then 1250 Militia Trade Dollars per ounce (avdp).
** They use avoirdupois. 10,000 dollars to one pound was equated to 1250 dollars per ounce.
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*** Textiles are among the easiest manufactured items to make, and traditionally were the first industry to industrialize. The New England area was at one point famous for textile mills powered by water wheels; the basic plan is still available and it wouldn't take much to set up such a facility (or even reactivate an old one). As for the pins, we mostly see them on the officers, implying they aren't common items (the [[{{Mook}} mooks]] just get branded on the forearm). Having a jeweler make a few dozen (or even a few hundred) from pre-existing jewelry for the elites is not quite the same as making thousands or millions of bullets, or making precision tools (which require both materials and skills that may not exist post-blackout). Making modern bullets is considerably more complicated, as smokeless gunpowder requires both mercury fulminate and nitrocellulose, both of which are extremely dangerous if you don't know what you're doing. Note also the drab colors most of the Monroe Republic troops are dressed in (as opposed to Georgia's brown uniforms and the Patriots' khakis). Fabric dyes probably aren't happening either, indicating a very primitive chemical engineering infrastructure in the Monroe Republic.

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*** Textiles are among the easiest manufactured items to make, and traditionally were the first industry to industrialize. mechanize. The New England area was states were at one point famous for textile mills powered by water wheels; the basic plan is still available and it wouldn't take much to set up such a facility (or even reactivate an old one). As for the pins, we mostly see them on the officers, implying they aren't common items (the [[{{Mook}} mooks]] just get branded on the forearm). Having a jeweler make a few dozen (or even a few hundred) from pre-existing jewelry for the elites is not quite the same as making thousands or millions of bullets, or making precision tools (which require both materials and skills that may not exist post-blackout). Making modern bullets is considerably more complicated, as smokeless gunpowder requires both mercury fulminate and nitrocellulose, both of which are extremely dangerous if you don't know what you're doing. Note also the drab colors most of the Monroe Republic troops are dressed in (as opposed to Georgia's brown uniforms and the Patriots' khakis). Fabric dyes probably aren't happening either, indicating a very primitive chemical engineering infrastructure in the Monroe Republic.
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** Given the rivalry between the two states and force of habit on the part of the main characters (none of whom are Texans or are particularly loyal to Texas) referring to the region north of the Red River as 'Oklahoma' is reasonable. Administratively it may even still be called 'Oklahoma' by the Texas government just for expediency's sake (why reprint the maps and road signs if you don't have to?) As for Mexico, we've only seen one border crossing in detail but it is curious that it was only staffed on the Mexican side. Either Texas doesn't have a whole lot of troops or they all seem to be somewhere else whenever the main characters are passing through.
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* It's decidedly not clear ''where'' the border is. The show'w writers seem to have not really taken their mapping into account when writing out place names for the post-Blackout world - for example, referring to "Oklahoma" repeatedly when Texas now occupies that former state. Indeed, the opening shot over "the border" would seem to imply that actually the border still falls along the Rio Grande - and regardless, where are the "70% of Texas's troops"?
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* [[spoiler: How far apart are Willoughby, Texas; Spring City, Oklahoma; and Puesta del Sol, Mexico (none of which are real communities) supposed to be? Miles, Rachel, and Bass can reach the Mexican border by horseback in roughly a week from Willoughby. Aaron can walk from Willoughby to Spring City in about the same amount of time, implying that Willoughby and Spring City are both relatively close to the Texas-Oklahoma line, placing Willoughby in north Texas (possibly the panhandle given how the terrain and vegetation look). Keep in mind the southern border of Texas extends well beyond the Rio Grande post-blackout, and is fortified or at least patrolled on both sides, meaning any attempt to evade border guards will add time to the journey. Miles, Rachel, Bass, and Connor make the return trip from Puesta del Sol in about a week as well, apparently on foot. Do the Nanites give favored characters the [[Franchise/TheFlash Speed Force]] along with rapid healing and pyrokinesis?]]

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* [[spoiler: How far apart are Willoughby, Texas; Spring City, Oklahoma; and Puesta del Sol, Mexico (none of which are real communities) supposed to be? Miles, Rachel, and Bass can reach the Mexican border by horseback in roughly a week from Willoughby. Aaron can walk from Willoughby to Spring City in about the same amount of time, implying that Willoughby and Spring City are both relatively close to the Texas-Oklahoma line, placing Willoughby in north Texas (possibly the panhandle given how the terrain and vegetation look). Keep in mind the southern border of Texas extends well beyond the Rio Grande post-blackout, and is fortified or at least patrolled on both sides, meaning any attempt to evade border guards will add time to the journey. Miles, Rachel, Bass, and Connor make the return trip from Puesta del Sol in about a week as well, apparently on foot. Do the Nanites give favored characters the [[Franchise/TheFlash Speed Force]] along with rapid healing and pyrokinesis?]]pyrokinesis?]]
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* [[spoiler: How far apart are Willoughby, Texas; Spring City, Oklahoma; and Puesta del Sol, Mexico (none of which are real communities) supposed to be? Miles, Rachel, and Bass can reach the Mexican border by horseback in roughly a week from Willoughby. Aaron can walk from Willoughby to Spring City in about the same amount of time, implying that Willoughby and Spring City are both relatively close to the Texas-Oklahoma line, placing Willoughby in north Texas (possibly the panhandle given how the terrain and vegetation look). Keep in mind the southern border of Texas extends well beyond the Rio Grande post-blackout, and is fortified or at least patrolled on both sides, meaning any attempt to evade border guards will add time to the journey. Miles, Rachel, Bass, and Connor make the return trip from Puesta del Sol in about a week as well, apparently on foot. Do the Nanites give favored characters the [[Franchise/TheFlash Speed Force]] along with rapid healing and pyrokinesis?]]
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* So, if the power goes back on ([[spoiler:It does]]), then what happens to them? Do they just die? Or just become inactive? What happens next? Do they still play a role in any way?

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* So, if Aaron can ever get the power goes back on ([[spoiler:It does]]), on, then what happens to them? Do they just die? Or just become inactive? What happens next? Do they still play a role in any way?
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** Aside: You can see in recent scenes streaks of green on the exterior of the WH where the ivy and vines once grew before the Patriots came and presumably did some slash-and-burning. Purposeful neglect of the old national capital makes sense as FridgeBrilliance, since neither the Monroe Republic nor the Georgia Federation were run by leaders who had any legitimate connection to the pre-Blackout government.
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** Washington DC was established as the nation's capital well before electricity was in use, and under blackout conditions the location still makes sense: it's centrally located to the bulk of the nation's population. The Patriots setting up shop in the White House makes sense as a symbolic move, although one would expect it to be in a greater state of disrepair than has been shown thus far (the furniture, walls, and paintings would likely be infested with mold, for example).

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** Washington DC was established as the nation's capital well before electricity was in use, and under use (until central air conditioning was developed in the 1930's it was considered a hardship posting for foreign diplomats, mainly because of the climate). Under blackout conditions the location still makes sense: it's centrally located to the bulk of the nation's population. The Patriots setting up shop in the White House makes sense as a symbolic move, although one would expect it to be in a greater state of disrepair than has been shown thus far (the furniture, walls, and paintings would likely be infested with mold, for example).
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** [[spoiler: That's easy: he's scared out of his mind, both at what he's capable of doing and what he may have potentially created. As a geek Aaron's going to know every AIIsACrapshoot scenario out there and ''he's responsbile for bringing it into being!'']]
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** On the opposite extreme, the last firm date we had in the series was late October. It doesn't seem like six months have passed during Season 2; at most a few weeks. It should be snowing in Washington DC by now, and every fireplace in the White House should be working overtime to keep the place heated. The overgrown trees and shrubbery seen in the foreground would have rapidly disappeared as they were converted to firewood.


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** Washington DC was established as the nation's capital well before electricity was in use, and under blackout conditions the location still makes sense: it's centrally located to the bulk of the nation's population. The Patriots setting up shop in the White House makes sense as a symbolic move, although one would expect it to be in a greater state of disrepair than has been shown thus far (the furniture, walls, and paintings would likely be infested with mold, for example).

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* So Munroe's son Connor is around 25. That means that before the Blackout he was ten. Does that mean that Munroe never went back to his hometown between his fling with Emma and the Blackout? And why wouldn't either of them tell him, as he seemed reasonably stable before the Blackout? And Miles was still best buds with him until around eight years ago. Surely he would've mentioned it?

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* So Munroe's Monroe's son Connor is around 25. That means that before the Blackout he was ten. Does that mean that Munroe Monroe never went back to his hometown between his fling with Emma and the Blackout? And why wouldn't either of them tell him, as he seemed reasonably stable before the Blackout? And Miles was still best buds with him until around eight years ago. Surely he would've mentioned it?


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* It's not obvious to anyone who hasn't been to Washington DC, but that place is ''humid'' at the height of summer. Now, there's still no electricity, so no air conditioning. Why on Earth are the "Patriots" making people dress up in heavy suits and uniforms while they get liquored up and do their social-climbing at the White House? People should be sweating profusely!
* It also brings up the issue of why humans still reside in such areas, considering that some insects are disease vectors and with the Blackout, it is all but certain that such species would proliferate and transmit diseases that are coming back because of inadequate sanitation and the like. Colder climates have the advantage of killing them off in winters, or said winters forcing insects to go dormant or migrate, which cuts down on disease transmission.
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** Mexico is, in fact, apparently fairly stable and wealthy by post-Blackout standards: from what we can see they have reverted to large hacienda-based agricultural estates, which provides plenty of food and so poor Texans who want to make some money now stream into Mexico and try to illegally enter the country to the point where the immigration wall built on the new border keeps Texans ''out''. Given that Texas has become quite enlarged compared to pre-Blackout conditions it stands to reason that a newly resurgent Mexico wants its land back and that's why 70% of Texas troops line the border.

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