History Headscratchers / ReservoirDogs

27th Oct '17 4:57:25 PM ClintEastwood
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* Why do Eddie, White and Pink drive up to Orange's house? Isn't anonymity a big part of this deal? I understand Eddie needing to know names/identities, etc, being the son of the boss, but aren't the 6 robbers supposed to be protected from each other? And I know that it's Orange's house, or at least a police-appointed hideout (which makes no difference from the point-of-view of Joe and Eddie) because he's painting a room, has comic posters up (he mentions Fantastic 4 at one point) and he has a change jar with his wedding ring.

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* Why do Eddie, White and Pink drive up to Orange's house? Isn't anonymity a big part of this deal? I understand Eddie needing to know names/identities, etc, being the son of the boss, but aren't the 6 robbers supposed to be protected from each other? And I know that it's Orange's house, or at least a police-appointed hideout (which makes no difference from the point-of-view of Joe and Eddie) because he's painting a room, has comic posters up (he mentions Fantastic 4 ComicBook/TheFantasticFour at one point) and he has a change jar with his wedding ring.



*** The point is they know where Orange lives. If caught, they could divulge that information which would lead to the capture of another gang member. The whole point of the color coded names and anonymity was to eliminate that possibilty.

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*** The point is they know where Orange lives. If caught, they could divulge that information which would lead to the capture of another gang member. The whole point of the color coded names and anonymity was to eliminate that possibilty.possibility.



** In the original cut, Joe's son also got shot, but then after they changed it, they forgot to alter the last couple scenes. It wouldnt really have worked if they had though, because Joe's son would have just finished off White and probably Orange.

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** In the original cut, Joe's son Eddie also got shot, but then after they changed it, they forgot to alter the last couple scenes. It wouldnt wouldn't really have worked if they had though, because Joe's son would have just finished off White and probably Orange.



* In the conversation about tipping at the beginning of the movie, Mr. Pink responds to the argument that waitresses are taxed with the assumption that tips are part of their pay ("...but what I won't do is play ball"). The trouble is, the way the scene is edited, no one ever makes the point he's responding to. It has always bugged me not so much that this continuity error is there -- there are lots of continuity errors in Reservoir Dogs -- but that no one else seems to notice it (it isn't on the otherwise rather thorough IMDB goofs page as of October 2009, for example).

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* In the conversation about tipping at the beginning of the movie, Mr. Pink responds to the argument that waitresses are taxed with the assumption that tips are part of their pay ("...but what I won't do is play ball"). The trouble is, the way the scene is edited, no one ever makes the point he's responding to. It has always bugged me not so much that this continuity error is there -- there are lots of continuity errors in Reservoir Dogs the film -- but that no one else seems to notice it (it isn't on the otherwise rather thorough IMDB goofs page as of October 2009, for example).



** Tarantino is fond of displaying MajorInjuryUnderreaction when acting: here he is indeed driving with a head wound, and in Film/FromDuskTillDawn he calmly patches his hand with duct tape even with a see-through bullet wound right in his palm.

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** Tarantino is fond of displaying MajorInjuryUnderreaction when acting: here he is indeed driving with a head wound, and in Film/FromDuskTillDawn ''Film/FromDuskTillDawn'' he calmly patches his hand with duct tape even with a see-through bullet wound right in his palm.



** Believe it or not, I think the entire speech is a scum-hunt cooked up by the Cabots. If Joe wasn't 100% sure on somebody before the day he'd need a way to make that person trip up - they'd had a rat blow a gig before - so Joe gives Pink a viewpoint, with evidence, to poke reactions. Eddie kick-starts the rant, Blue and Blonde are sceptical while White is out-and-out against the viewpoint. Orange says precisely nothing until Pink's finished, and then immediately retracts it when Joe intervenes. It was too late to cancel the job (the breakfast is on the day of the hest), but the Cabots could've pulled Orange out or eliminated him after the job goes off successfuly. It doesn't, and things all turn to shit from there.

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** Believe it or not, I think the entire speech is a scum-hunt cooked up by the Cabots. If Joe wasn't 100% sure on somebody before the day he'd need a way to make that person trip up - they'd had a rat blow a gig before - so Joe gives Pink a viewpoint, with evidence, to poke reactions. Eddie kick-starts the rant, Blue and Blonde are sceptical while White is out-and-out against the viewpoint. Orange says precisely nothing until Pink's finished, and then immediately retracts it when Joe intervenes. It was too late to cancel the job (the breakfast is on the day of the hest), heist), but the Cabots could've pulled Orange out or eliminated him after the job goes off successfuly.successful. It doesn't, and things all turn to shit from there.



* If the police knew in advance there was going to be a robbery and where it was going to happen,how did so many of the robbers get away? And why did they get anything from the robbery?

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* If the police knew in advance there was going to be a robbery and where it was going to happen,how happen, how did so many of the robbers get away? And why did they get anything from the robbery?



** They bonded while White was teaching Orange the essentials of jewelry store robbery. Ever seen ''Donnie Brasco''?

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** They bonded while White was teaching Orange the essentials of jewelry jewellery store robbery. Ever seen ''Donnie Brasco''?''Film/DonnieBrasco''?



** As one of the believers in the HoYay factor, I have to point out the original choice for playing Orange was James Woods, who's only like 4 or 5 years Harvey Keitel junior. Tarantino was persistent in his attempts to get Woods to play the part, and he didn't think Tim Roth would be a good choice, so the age diference was definitely not a factor when the script was written.

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** As one of the believers in the HoYay factor, I have to point out the original choice for playing Orange was James Woods, who's only like 4 or 5 years Harvey Keitel Creator/HarveyKeitel's junior. Tarantino was persistent in his attempts to get Woods to play the part, and he didn't think Tim Roth Creator/TimRoth would be a good choice, so the age diference was definitely not a factor when the script was written.



** Maybe it was a matter of acting on Michael Madsen's part, but due to the delivery of the line it always struck me as though Blonde was lying or trying to kiss ass when he said that; it didn't sound genuine. Real psychopaths are masters of deception and manipulation (though we are talking about a "movie" psychopath not a real one), so it's possible all that loyalty was just an act on his part, though that's hard to reconcile with Eddie's description of him willingly doing time when he could have just as easily cut a deal and walked. Either way, it seems as though Blonde doesn't have much concern for the safety of his colleagues or the success of the job itself, even when he has a lot riding on the outcome. He does what he does because he wants to have fun, and doesn't consider the future. I've also always wondered why Blonde trails the gasoline all the way to the door, as if he's trying to burn down the whole warehouse and not just the cop. Was he afraid of getting burned himself if he just pooled it all around the chair?

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** Maybe it was a matter of acting on Michael Madsen's Creator/MichaelMadsen's part, but due to the delivery of the line it always struck me as though Blonde was lying or trying to kiss ass when he said that; it didn't sound genuine. Real psychopaths are masters of deception and manipulation (though we are talking about a "movie" psychopath not a real one), so it's possible all that loyalty was just an act on his part, though that's hard to reconcile with Eddie's description of him willingly doing time when he could have just as easily cut a deal and walked. Either way, it seems as though Blonde doesn't have much concern for the safety of his colleagues or the success of the job itself, even when he has a lot riding on the outcome. He does what he does because he wants to have fun, and doesn't consider the future. I've also always wondered why Blonde trails the gasoline all the way to the door, as if he's trying to burn down the whole warehouse and not just the cop. Was he afraid of getting burned himself if he just pooled it all around the chair?
14th Dec '16 2:51:48 PM nevercomestheday
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*** It's important though to point out two things- one, the scene in which they go over the game plan (and then go for tacos) should not be there according to Joe's rules. The thieves are not to fraternize or even see each other outside of the meetings with Joe and the heist itself. That scene right there, while it is bonding, shouldn't be happening if White doesn't have some sort of interest in Orange (and vice-versa). The second thing I have to point out here is that there are examples of their relationship going beyond "anonymous criminals" early on- during the diner scene, if you watch as the camera pans around the table, Orange and White switch off having an arm around the other's chair (and the other's shoulders). Also, the way Orange watches White when White is chiding Joe about the address book is very... interesting. He looks down at White's lips for a couple of seconds, he blushes and laughs at every joke White makes, oh, and White ''winks at him.'' When White is lecturing Pink about tipping the waitresses, Orange backs up every word with a look at Pink. He nods along with White, he grins, he gives Pink a "you're getting your ass handed to you" look. There's a lot of evidence of their closeness even before Orange takes one to the gut. Also, if you really want to get into it, White shouldn't have taken Orange with him at all. It's beyond inefficient. This is also a man who shoots cops without blinking, and who, upon finding Brown dead, just sort of shrugs and pulls Orange away to get a new car. He doesn't care about helping Brown, he doesn't bat an eyelash when he dies, but Orange gets shot and White takes the time to carefully load him up into the car and comforts him the whole ride to the warehouse. If he didn't care for Orange, he would've seen him as the bleeding liability he was and would've left him to die on the ground. For all White knew, Orange was going to die right there (he said so himself later when Pink questioned him), so if he didn't care, why would he take the time to help Orange into the car? One last thing and then I'm done, promise- White, the tough criminal, cries ''twice'' in this movie. The first time is when he's comforting Orange in the warehouse before Pink arrives (he combs his hair, says "you've been brave enough for one day," and then sniffles and wipes his nose), the second is when Orange admits he's a cop (you can see a tear fall and White is actively sobbing at this point). This man kills people without remorse, watches people die without feeling, and even shoots his boss and longtime father figure without hesitation (to protect Orange, no less), but when Orange is concerned, his emotions are powerful and right on his sleeve.
24th Sep '16 5:17:21 PM trixus
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** If he spots six dollars for seven people it's not magic to realize one didn't tip and they did agreed on one dollar each before Joe went paying.
5th Sep '16 10:55:19 PM shamblingdead2
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** The plan went smoothly until someone pressed the silent alarm. If that hadn't happened and the street cops showed up, the gang would have gone out and either been quietly arrested, or the cops would have followed them to the warehouse and arrested them there. Then Blonde started shooting and, as Pink notes, everyone else shot their way out.
5th Sep '16 10:50:45 PM shamblingdead2
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** Pretty straightforward film shorthand. The character Freddie is creating as Orange is married (or at least wears a wedding ring). Freddie is not, which is why he keeps the ring in a jar rather than wearing it himself. The fact that he's not accustomed to wearing a ring all the time (as a married man would) is shown when he has to remember to put it on before he goes to his meeting.
5th Sep '16 10:48:20 PM shamblingdead2
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** It's made pretty clear that Mike is a police informant who knows Joe's business. Most likely, if Hollywood mafia depiction is correct, he worked for Joe until he was busted for something and the police offered him a deal to become an informant.
4th Jul '16 10:48:47 AM RaiderDuck
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*** Remember that multiple people from the jewelry store, including several police officers, are dead at this point from being shot as part of an armed robbery gone bad. This means everyone in the crew could be charged with Felony Murder, a death-penalty offense (most Felony Murder statutes state that everyone involved in the underlying crime is responsible for any and all deaths that occur during its commission or aftermath). Why leave someone alive who knows who they are?


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** Let's say White alone was caught. Joe and Eddie could "lawyer up" and refuse to say anything, and the cops would have no evidence other than White's uncorroborated word that Joe and Eddie were involved. The cops couldn't arrest Pink or Blonde and lean on them because White would have no idea who they were. That's why Pink was so freaked out about Orange having even partial information about White: If Orange (who Pink didn't know was an informant) was caught by the police and could identify White, their combined testimony would be enough to bring charges against Joe and Eddie, who might then give up Pink to the cops as part of a deal.
7th Jan '16 1:39:20 PM CockroachCharlie
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** Most likely caught it on the news.
12th Dec '15 11:52:51 AM maxwellsilver
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** RealisticDictionIsUnrealistic. This troper has been in several discussions, debates, and arguments where both himself and the other party will bring up a point/counter point that wasn't brought up to counter specifically because we had it prepared in our heads ahead of time, thought it sounded good/convincing, and felt like making the point even though the set up wasn't there.

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** RealisticDictionIsUnrealistic. This troper I has been in several discussions, debates, and arguments where both himself and the other party will bring up a point/counter point that wasn't brought up to counter specifically because we had it prepared in our heads ahead of time, thought it sounded good/convincing, and felt like making the point even though the set up wasn't there.
23rd Oct '15 6:30:41 AM ColeNichols
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* How did Joe Cabot know that Mr. Blue was dead?
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