History Headscratchers / RepoTheGeneticOpera

22nd Sep '17 10:06:43 PM Steam_Lord
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**Shilo never had a blood disease at all. Marni may or may not have had it. Marni's cure was poisoned by Rotti. Shilo's medication was poisoned by Nathan (or was just poison) but less so.
10th Sep '17 9:52:50 AM nombretomado
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** My personal theory on this is that in a world where, thanks to [=GeneCo=], people are living much longer because of their procedures, overpopulation is probably a problem. So the Repo Man serves a double function. Recovering Geneco property and making it so there's one less mouth to feed in the world. And as for the other organs that might just be a case of "Even Evil has Standards" in that Rotti sees nothing wrong with someone killing and stealing organs that he considers belonging to him, but thinks that taking organs that they didn't give the victim would be wrong.

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** My personal theory on this is that in a world where, thanks to [=GeneCo=], people are living much longer because of their procedures, overpopulation is probably a problem. So the Repo Man serves a double function. Recovering Geneco [=GeneCo=] property and making it so there's one less mouth to feed in the world. And as for the other organs that might just be a case of "Even Evil has Standards" in that Rotti sees nothing wrong with someone killing and stealing organs that he considers belonging to him, but thinks that taking organs that they didn't give the victim would be wrong.



*** I figured by Mag's willingness to die in the act of defying Geneco she obviously didn't fear death, but she didn't do it ''intending'' to die, that was simply the only way to go about it. The death and thus release from contract was just a nice bonus.
*** I'm pretty sure that it wasn't Mag's corneas that got replaced (even if WordofGod says otherwise), seeing as the cornea is the clear covering of the pupil and iris, because that is ArtisticLicenseBiology. Mag's irises seem to be mechanical (they expand and contract much the way camera shutters do) and her eyes are capable of projecting holograms. Thus, the entire eyeball must have been a GeneCo implant. (The fact that the hardware required for the holograms would have had to be small, and the expanding/contracting linked to mental cues suggests that they were very well made as well.)

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*** I figured by Mag's willingness to die in the act of defying Geneco [=GeneCo=] she obviously didn't fear death, but she didn't do it ''intending'' to die, that was simply the only way to go about it. The death and thus release from contract was just a nice bonus.
*** I'm pretty sure that it wasn't Mag's corneas that got replaced (even if WordofGod says otherwise), seeing as the cornea is the clear covering of the pupil and iris, because that is ArtisticLicenseBiology. Mag's irises seem to be mechanical (they expand and contract much the way camera shutters do) and her eyes are capable of projecting holograms. Thus, the entire eyeball must have been a GeneCo [=GeneCo=] implant. (The fact that the hardware required for the holograms would have had to be small, and the expanding/contracting linked to mental cues suggests that they were very well made as well.)



** Her bad contract was explicitly mentioned. I took it as being said that for giving her sight, GeneCo owned the Blind Mag entity, and she didn't quite think the ramifications through. She ''can't'' pay off the debt in cash because the debt has already been paid with her freedom, and she would have to make a new deal to exchange her freedom for cash (which they wouldn't do for the cash she had after they took their percentage, if they didn't just name themselves the executors of every penny of her estate and declare that they as executors outranked her as the principal).

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** Her bad contract was explicitly mentioned. I took it as being said that for giving her sight, GeneCo [=GeneCo=] owned the Blind Mag entity, and she didn't quite think the ramifications through. She ''can't'' pay off the debt in cash because the debt has already been paid with her freedom, and she would have to make a new deal to exchange her freedom for cash (which they wouldn't do for the cash she had after they took their percentage, if they didn't just name themselves the executors of every penny of her estate and declare that they as executors outranked her as the principal).



** Also, if you put this into context with any other company with an exploitable product. If you ran a liquor company would you want to easily supply your alcoholic mess of a daughter with more and more booze and use her drunken slob self as a marketing tool? Amber's not just a customer of GeneCo, she's a shameful mess of excess. She probably has to get back alley Zydrate because she's been cut off. Combine this with that she's supposed to be in charge of the support group for addicts and you see why she's a problem for GeneCo.

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** Also, if you put this into context with any other company with an exploitable product. If you ran a liquor company would you want to easily supply your alcoholic mess of a daughter with more and more booze and use her drunken slob self as a marketing tool? Amber's not just a customer of GeneCo, [=GeneCo=], she's a shameful mess of excess. She probably has to get back alley Zydrate because she's been cut off. Combine this with that she's supposed to be in charge of the support group for addicts and you see why she's a problem for GeneCo.[=GeneCo=].



** It seems that absolutely everything and everyone is affiliated with [=GeneCo=], even people who pretend not to be (see: Nathan's entire life?). There are no other surgical companies discussed or named, so presumably they've bought out every surgeon/doctor in the city (and just about everybody else, too -- they've even bought the ''opera'', for crying out loud!). There IS no off-brand, and people try to convince themselves that if they use underground surgeons, the Repo Men won't find them. Obviously, this doesn't work, but by the time you find that out, you're dead. If there were off-brand surgical companies, then there would be competition, and [=GeneCo=] would no longer be the monopoly, and there would be no plot. GeneCo probably fosters and funds pretend "competing" surgical companies, to give the illusion of choice. They could provide substandard services and charge less for them, or use these companies as a training ground for novice surgeons.

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** It seems that absolutely everything and everyone is affiliated with [=GeneCo=], even people who pretend not to be (see: Nathan's entire life?). There are no other surgical companies discussed or named, so presumably they've bought out every surgeon/doctor in the city (and just about everybody else, too -- they've even bought the ''opera'', for crying out loud!). There IS no off-brand, and people try to convince themselves that if they use underground surgeons, the Repo Men won't find them. Obviously, this doesn't work, but by the time you find that out, you're dead. If there were off-brand surgical companies, then there would be competition, and [=GeneCo=] would no longer be the monopoly, and there would be no plot. GeneCo [=GeneCo=] probably fosters and funds pretend "competing" surgical companies, to give the illusion of choice. They could provide substandard services and charge less for them, or use these companies as a training ground for novice surgeons.



*** True, it might not have really been a blood disease, but Nathan and Rotti's backstories agree that she really was sick with ''something'', it's unlikely that Nathan would have risked the health of his wife and unborn child trying out untested medicine on her if it wasn't something lethal, and if she'd stayed with Rotti then Geneco might have been just as helpless at coming up with a cure as Nathan was up until the try that killed her, so it doesn't really change anything if her illness had nothing to do with her blood.

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*** True, it might not have really been a blood disease, but Nathan and Rotti's backstories agree that she really was sick with ''something'', it's unlikely that Nathan would have risked the health of his wife and unborn child trying out untested medicine on her if it wasn't something lethal, and if she'd stayed with Rotti then Geneco [=GeneCo=] might have been just as helpless at coming up with a cure as Nathan was up until the try that killed her, so it doesn't really change anything if her illness had nothing to do with her blood.



** Obviously, Largo is a ManipulativeBastard. Shilo has the facts on her side - her father works for Geneco, he feels responsible for her mother's death, Shilo knows her dad and has to figure that the death of her mother is probably why her father is working for a psycho like Largo. Not to mention that he's just tried to pull the same thing on Shilo twice - offering her a cure after she catches the Repo Man and offering her Geneco after killing her father. She just gets a burst of clarity after being confronted with a lot of life changing information. I don't think she knew that Largo ''killed'' her mother. I think Largo took that secret to the grave, but she does know that Largo is perfectly capable of blackmailing someone into doing something they don't necessarily ''want'' to do.

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** Obviously, Largo is a ManipulativeBastard. Shilo has the facts on her side - her father works for Geneco, [=GeneCo=], he feels responsible for her mother's death, Shilo knows her dad and has to figure that the death of her mother is probably why her father is working for a psycho like Largo. Not to mention that he's just tried to pull the same thing on Shilo twice - offering her a cure after she catches the Repo Man and offering her Geneco [=GeneCo=] after killing her father. She just gets a burst of clarity after being confronted with a lot of life changing information. I don't think she knew that Largo ''killed'' her mother. I think Largo took that secret to the grave, but she does know that Largo is perfectly capable of blackmailing someone into doing something they don't necessarily ''want'' to do.



** This troper loves Single Mother, but I can see her being a villainous character: she's basically a shill for GeneCo, quite possibly got paid off (or had a similar contract as Blind Mag), and seems like an overall awful and oblivious (if not outright stupid) person... which pretty much applies to the entire audience of the Genetic Opera.
** I don't mind her showing her body, but it does bug me that she made it a lot more likely that she'll be leaving her kids Repo-man created orphans by tacking a vanity makeover on top of the kidney surgery she needed (and couldn't afford without one of Geneco's payment plans, meaning that her financial situation probably isn't one where she should let herself be talked into vanity surgery).

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** This troper loves Single Mother, but I can see her being a villainous character: she's basically a shill for GeneCo, [=GeneCo=], quite possibly got paid off (or had a similar contract as Blind Mag), and seems like an overall awful and oblivious (if not outright stupid) person... which pretty much applies to the entire audience of the Genetic Opera.
** I don't mind her showing her body, but it does bug me that she made it a lot more likely that she'll be leaving her kids Repo-man created orphans by tacking a vanity makeover on top of the kidney surgery she needed (and couldn't afford without one of Geneco's [=GeneCo=]'s payment plans, meaning that her financial situation probably isn't one where she should let herself be talked into vanity surgery).



** Rotti and/or GeneCo almost certainly has the police force in the palm of their hand, or might even be running it. Even if they don't, substantial bribes would be enough to get the police to decide that a seventeen-year-old girl who'd been kept inside and isolated her whole life, who just learned that her father had been lying to her, poisoning her, and killing people, plus being seriously keyed-up by her surroundings and people shouting at her, would not be in a fit state of mind to be said to have pulled the trigger with murderous intent. After that it would be pretty simple, in the horrific dystopian world Repo! takes place in, to decide that she wouldn't face charges. Come to think of it, bribes might not even be necessary for the first part.

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** Rotti and/or GeneCo [=GeneCo=] almost certainly has the police force in the palm of their hand, or might even be running it. Even if they don't, substantial bribes would be enough to get the police to decide that a seventeen-year-old girl who'd been kept inside and isolated her whole life, who just learned that her father had been lying to her, poisoning her, and killing people, plus being seriously keyed-up by her surroundings and people shouting at her, would not be in a fit state of mind to be said to have pulled the trigger with murderous intent. After that it would be pretty simple, in the horrific dystopian world Repo! takes place in, to decide that she wouldn't face charges. Come to think of it, bribes might not even be necessary for the first part.
21st Jul '17 7:37:19 PM ErikModi
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*** On the other hand, she does apparently now have a job showing her breasts on live TV, [[NotHelpingYourCase which one can only assume pays pretty well. . .]]
21st Jul '17 7:26:11 PM ErikModi
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*** It's also a post-modern {{Deconstruction}} of opera tropes. Paul Sorvio as Rotti Largo is a tenor, which is generally TheHero in an opera, but here he's the villain. [[EvilSoundsDeep A baritone is usually the villain,]] but this film lacks a true baritone voice, though Terence Zdunich as Graverobber comes close. Sarah Brightman is a full-stop operatic soprano, which is usually the female lead, which here goes to the slightly-more-shrill voice of Alexa Vega as Shilo. No one's voice quite matches the character they'd be in a traditional opera, because this is post-modern deconstructionism, and no one is a pure villain or hero. Everyone's got complex motivations and desires, is forced into things they didn't want to do, is trying to do what they believe is best, even if it means hurting a lot of other people along the way.
7th May '17 12:37:09 PM DoppleDelta
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** Probably Nathan's inability to save Marni, even though he managed to save Shilo. Although he didn't tell Shilo what caused Marni's death, she understands that her father feels guilty about Shilo not having a mother figure in her life and [[spoiler: through Rotti's manipulation, he feels completely responsible for killing his wife]].
13th Apr '17 6:31:18 AM psychoinnocent
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*** Just throwing this out there but isn't it possible that Mag simply didn't know it was a wig? Mag thought Shilo had died with Marni, and while the audience knows its a wig, Mag hasn't seen Shilo without her wig.
10th Jan '17 12:58:21 PM Theatre_Maven_3695
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** Simple. Rotti's a sadistic bastard who wants to force Nathan to kill Mag as a KickTheDog.
7th Nov '16 10:04:59 PM HolisticWoodpecker
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* What is the point of "Needle Through a Bug"? It's a deleted scene, so it's confusing how it fits in with the rest of the story.
30th Oct '16 5:39:24 AM Morgenthaler
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** He's ''[[BadAss awesome]]''. That's why.

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** He's ''[[BadAss awesome]]''.''awesome''. That's why.
11th Oct '16 8:09:10 AM Xlsfd
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* Why does Rotti insist that Nathan has to collect Mag's eyes? Even if he was the only Repo Man in the city (the opening refers to "Repo Men" in the plural), what prevents Rotti from having a [=GenTern=] don a Repo Man suit?
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