History Headscratchers / RedState

10th Apr '15 2:14:32 AM RockySamson
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** I think what actually went down in that scene and might make some semblance of sense for his actions was that he never intended to shoot her to begin with. Firing the gun and sending her back inside was all within his plans, as he gave her a useless weapon, and with it, she would appear armed. After attempting to plant it on her, he demanded she run inside. He had no intention of shooting her himself. Instead, he sought to plant the gun in her hands and send her back into the house, incapable of retaliatory fire (in case she changed her mind) on the odds that another ATF member would see her with the weapon and fire upon her. Having fired the weapon, there'd be enough evidence of it's use to support retaliatory fire from the ATF, so long as he wasn't the one who shot her. This way, he could indirectly follow orders without bearing the responsibility of killing her himself.

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** I think what actually went down in that scene and might make some semblance of sense for his actions was that he never intended to shoot her to begin with. Firing the gun and sending her back inside was all within his plans, as he gave her a useless weapon, and with it, she would appear armed. After attempting to plant it on her, he demanded she run inside. He had no intention of shooting her himself. Instead, he sought to plant the gun in her hands and send her back into the house, incapable of retaliatory fire (in case she changed her mind) on the odds that another ATF member would see her with the weapon and fire upon her. Having fired the weapon, gun himself, there'd be enough evidence of it's use to support retaliatory fire from the ATF, so long as he wasn't the one who shot to shoot her. This way, he could indirectly follow orders without bearing the responsibility of killing her himself.
10th Apr '15 2:12:51 AM RockySamson
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** I think what actually went down in that scene and might make some semblance of sense for his actions was that he never intended to shoot her to begin with. Firing the gun and sending her back inside was all within his plans, as he gave her a useless weapon, and with it, she would appear armed. After attempting to plant it on her, he demanded she run inside. He had no intention of shooting her himself. Instead, he sought to plant the gun in her hands and send her back into the house, incapable of retaliatory fire (in case she changed her mind) on the odds that another ATF member would see her with the weapon and fire upon her. Having fired the weapon, there'd be enough evidence of it's use to support retaliatory fire from the ATF, so long as he wasn't the one who shot her. This way, he could indirectly follow orders without bearing the responsibility of killing her himself.
11th Feb '14 3:16:49 PM reviewer-dude
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**** GSR would be all over her shirt and harm from firing a weapon and the bullets would be recoverable down-field. He was forcing her to grab his untraced plant-piece because these guys are all crooked.

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**** GSR would be all over her shirt shirt, hand, face and harm firing arm, from firing a weapon and while standing -- plus the bullets would be recoverable by forensics from far down-field. He was forcing her to grab his untraced plant-piece because these guys are all crooked.crooked and he was merely following orders.
11th Feb '14 3:15:08 PM reviewer-dude
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**** GSR would be all over her shirt and harm from firing a weapon and the bullets would be recoverable down-field. He was forcing her to grab his untraced plant-piece because these guys are all crooked.
7th Jul '13 6:32:18 AM KingStatham
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**** This. The entire point is that the film is presenting a mockery of the WBC and their attitude as presented in public; It doesn't really require one of the protagonists to be gay since the entire point is that the WBC-expies don't ''really'' hate 'fags', but they loathe ''everything''.
27th May '13 7:41:27 PM RTaco
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**** But nothing about the movie needs the kids to be gay. They could have been and it would have worked, sure, but simply not having them be gay isn't being intolerant of gays.
23rd May '13 10:46:03 PM Mareon
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*** Because it smells of hypocritism. Lets mock The WBE and their God Hates Fag-nes, but oh! we can't have the protagonists be gay, since that woulödn't sell any tickets. It's like if you made a Blaxploitation film but changed the plot in order to create a scenario where the protagonist was white.
22nd Apr '13 11:04:10 PM HRGiegerCounter
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*** GSR doesn't work like that. The original poster has every reason to be bugged. Every part of that exchange was just dumb and illogical. If the agent knew how forensic evidence worked at all, he wouldn't have gone to the trouble of trying to '''badly''' fabricate some. He would have done what the rest of the team was doing and simply gone into follow orders mode and killed everybody. If he was trying to protect her, nothing about what he did makes any sense: arming her with a disarmed weapon, sending her back into the line of fire; it just doesn't add up. And if he were trying to make it look like be had to kill her to protect himself, and was trying to fabricate forensics to support returning fire, he would know that shooting her in the back while she ran inside wouldn't look good either. No, that whole scene is flipping off the MST3KMantra.

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*** GSR doesn't work like that. The original poster has every reason to be bugged. Every part of that exchange was just dumb and illogical. If the agent knew how forensic evidence worked at all, he wouldn't have gone to the trouble of trying to '''badly''' fabricate some. He would have done what the rest of the team was doing and simply gone into follow orders mode and killed everybody. If he was trying to protect her, nothing about what he did makes any sense: arming her with a disarmed weapon, sending her back into the line of fire; it just doesn't add up. And if he were trying to make it look like be had to kill her to protect himself, and was trying to fabricate forensics to support returning fire, he would know that shooting her in the back while she ran inside wouldn't look good either. No, that whole scene is flipping off the MST3KMantra.MST3KMantra.
** My two cents on it: the agent was struggling between choosing to gun her down as the orders said to and letting her go back and try to rescue the kids. He settles on the second option, but decides to empty his revolver and give it to her unloaded so she has a way to appear armed to her family without the possibility of actually shooting him.
22nd Apr '13 11:00:10 PM HRGiegerCounter
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** [[SarcasmMode Why wasn't one of the kids black? Or deaf? or Muslim? Or any other minority?]] First of all, one of the trio was hinted at being bi-curious, second of all, [[FridgeBrilliance maybe the whole point was]] that the WBC-{{Expy}} ideology of intolerance doesn't just target gays but HatesEveryoneEqually.

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** [[SarcasmMode Why wasn't one of the kids black? Or deaf? or Muslim? Or any other minority?]] First of all, one of the trio was ''was'' hinted at being bi-curious, [[BiTheWay bi-curious]], second of all, [[FridgeBrilliance maybe the whole point was]] that the WBC-{{Expy}} ideology of intolerance doesn't just target gays but HatesEveryoneEqually.
22nd Apr '13 10:59:32 PM HRGiegerCounter
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** [[SarcasmMode Why wasn't one of the kids black? Or deaf? or Muslim? Or any other minority?]] First of all, one of the trio was hinted at being bi-curious, second of all, [[FridgeBrilliance maybe the whole point was]] that the WBC-{{Expy}} ideology of intolerance doesn't just target gays but HatesEveryoneEqually.
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