History Headscratchers / Prototype2

3rd Sep '17 4:46:33 PM BenOfHouston
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*** Now, Evolving a world leader by working his way through their underlings on the other hand, might be a viable technique. However, someone with enough will and authority to get to that position might try and take over his little plot. Such a plan would take a long time, and he can only infiltrate one major organization at a time since he has to evolve people personally.
3rd Sep '17 4:42:49 PM BenOfHouston
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*** Beijing has all of these advantages, plus a larger, denser population and not being on an island. Even London, DC, or San Francisco would be better if he wanted to stay in the English-speaking world.
31st Aug '17 12:40:01 PM HalcyonDayz
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** As much as it pains me to defend an abortion of writing like this one, I have to make a point of order: of all of the above, the Brilliant Strategist bit is actually quite defensible, and something that might've even been a valid character evolution that's foreshadowed in the first game. It might *seem* like Mercer has little mind for tactics in Prototype 1, but [[GameplayAndStoryIntegration read between the lines.]] Take a look at a number of the strategies he - and you the player - can and sometimes even have to use. By all accounts, he strategically consumed VIPs, tactically sorted out his powers and used them in combat(which you *need* to do to get past Cross at all), and even *used the enemy's resources against them* through things like calling in strikes while disguised as an officer or hijacking vehicles. Heck, take a look at ''Patsy.'' This power *would not exist* without the ability to GET in the enemy's head on a very, VERY fundamental level and manipulate their fears and instincts in order to get them to kill each other off. That's why the "Alex Mercer, strategic mastermind" bit was just about the only thing that *didn't* bother me or come off as a derailment from the original character. [[DamnedByFaintPraise That doesn't stop the rest of your post from being absolutely true, though.]]

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** As much as it pains me to defend an abortion of writing like this one, I have to make a point of order: of all of the above, the Brilliant Strategist bit is actually quite defensible, and something that might've even been a valid character evolution that's foreshadowed in the first game. It might *seem* like Mercer has little mind for tactics in Prototype 1, but [[GameplayAndStoryIntegration read between the lines.]] Take a look at a number of the strategies he - and you the player - can and sometimes even have to use. By all accounts, he strategically consumed VIPs, [=VIPs=], tactically sorted out his powers and used them in combat(which you *need* to do to get past Cross at all), and even *used the enemy's resources against them* through things like calling in strikes while disguised as an officer or hijacking vehicles. Heck, take a look at ''Patsy.'' This power *would not exist* without the ability to GET in the enemy's head on a very, VERY fundamental level and manipulate their fears and instincts in order to get them to kill each other off. That's why the "Alex Mercer, strategic mastermind" bit was just about the only thing that *didn't* bother me or come off as a derailment from the original character. [[DamnedByFaintPraise That doesn't stop the rest of your post from being absolutely true, though.]]
17th Jun '17 3:36:31 PM Lightning4119
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** To be fair, the only one of his allies Heller really yells at is Galloway, who got on my nerves too. He snarks at Father Guerra and at Dana, but he's not particularly rude to any of them. As far as calling the scientist a douchebag goes, he's probably starting from the baseline of "guy works for Gentek or Blackwatch? Douchebag." Considering every single one of the collectible recordings we find and the memories we see and the experiments we witness feature Blackwatch and Gentek being horrible people, it's hard to blame Heller for assuming the scientist was a douche. If anything, Heller's not really an ''appealing'' character, but he is something of an interesting character if you factor in that most of how he acts are classic signs of PTSD. It's even noted in the psych eval in the intro cutscene that he's got PTSD and has a homicidal fixation on Mercer.

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** To be fair, the only one of his allies Heller really yells at is Galloway, who got on my nerves too. He snarks at Father Guerra and at Dana, but he's not particularly rude to any of them. As far as calling the scientist a douchebag goes, he's probably starting from the baseline of "guy works for Gentek or Blackwatch? Douchebag." Considering every single one of the collectible recordings we find and the memories we see and the experiments we witness feature Blackwatch and Gentek being horrible people, it's hard to blame Heller for assuming the scientist was a douche. Plus, Heller was a [[SirSwearsALot Marine sergeant,]] and the scientists he's run into have universally been sanctimonious asshats anyway. If anything, Heller's not really an ''appealing'' character, but he is something of an interesting character if you factor in that most of how he acts are classic signs of PTSD. It's even noted in the psych eval in the intro cutscene that he's got PTSD and has a homicidal fixation on Mercer.
17th Jun '17 3:31:01 PM Lightning4119
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** To be fair, the only one of his allies Heller really yells at is Galloway, who got on my nerves too. He snarks at Father Guerra and at Dana, but he's not particularly rude to any of them. As far as calling the scientist a douchebag goes, he's probably starting from the baseline of "guy works for Gentek or Blackwatch? Douchebag." Considering every single one of the collectible recordings we find and the memories we see and the experiments we witness feature Blackwatch and Gentek being horrible people, it's hard to blame Heller for assuming the scientist was a douche. If anything, Heller's not really an ''appealing'' character, but he is something of an interesting character if you factor in that most of how he acts are classic signs of PTSD. It's even noted in the psych eval in the intro cutscene that he's got PTSD and has a homicidal fixation on Mercer.
22nd Oct '16 10:48:32 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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*** A far more likely explanation than any of the above was that the writers for this game didn't really pay much attention to the previous one; TheyJustDidntCare. It's not just that the characterization clashes like this; it's that there's not the slightest hint of ''acknowledgement'' that the characterization, backstory, and views of the characters we see in Prototype 2 bear no resemblance to the original. Nothing in-game in Prototype 2 suggests that Virus!Alex ever had a shred of humanity, compassion, or humanity to him at any point, or that Human!Alex was ever anything but a paragon of virtue; the most likely explanation was that the writers for 2 were going off of a plot summary of 1 and didn't realize they were getting it wrong.

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*** A far more likely explanation than any of the above was that the writers for this game didn't really pay much attention to the previous one; TheyJustDidntCare.one. It's not just that the characterization clashes like this; it's that there's not the slightest hint of ''acknowledgement'' that the characterization, backstory, and views of the characters we see in Prototype 2 bear no resemblance to the original. Nothing in-game in Prototype 2 suggests that Virus!Alex ever had a shred of humanity, compassion, or humanity to him at any point, or that Human!Alex was ever anything but a paragon of virtue; the most likely explanation was that the writers for 2 were going off of a plot summary of 1 and didn't realize they were getting it wrong.
19th Aug '16 12:11:42 PM SonOfJanus
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** It's funny that people are so upset with Heller's characterization, when he is more or less a black version of Kratos. Heller's MENSA comment makes sense when you think about the fact that highly educated people tend to talk down to people without the same level of education. The cricket comment I can't even defend, because I like cricket myself. I think it's less about anger being cool, and more about losing your family being a BerserkButton. But then again, people see me as nothing more than an AngryBlackMan so maybe I'm biased.
15th Feb '16 6:39:29 AM finalfaw
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*** I like this one, it would make sense, Alex is off traveling the world trying to find his own sense of self, GENTEK use what little biomass they found to make an "ZEUS 2.0" said clone is then experimented on, gains none of Alexs' conscience, breaks out and goes greene, because I feel that this version of Alex went alittle too off the rails too fast.
15th Dec '15 11:21:13 AM grasscid
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* I've been wondering the same exact thing. Mercer's plan was to have Heller by his side when he destroyed Blackwatch.
And then what? By then, Heller would already be very powerful, and he certainly wouldn't want to take part in the next part of Mercer's plan, which is world domination. It also seems very odd that Mercer reacted so angrily toward Heller tearing his plan apart after learning the truth, considering their entire "relationship" was built on Mercer lying to him about who killed his family. Like, what did you expect he would do? Just suddenly go along with your plan? And why even lie to him in the first place then if you expect his cooperation? Mercer clearly did not think his plan through.


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* I've been wondering the same exact thing. Mercer's plan was to have Heller by his side when he destroyed Blackwatch... and then what? By then, Heller would already be very powerful, and he certainly wouldn't want to take part in the next part of Mercer's plan, which is world domination. It also seems very odd that Mercer reacted so angrily toward Heller tearing his plan apart after learning the truth, considering their entire "relationship" was built on Mercer lying to him about who killed his family. Like, what did you expect he would do? Just suddenly go along with your plan? And why even lie to him in the first place then if you expect his cooperation? Mercer clearly did not think his plan through.
15th Dec '15 11:20:27 AM grasscid
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*I've been wondering the same exact thing. Mercer's plan was to have Heller by his side when he destroyed Blackwatch.
And then what? By then, Heller would already be very powerful, and he certainly wouldn't want to take part in the next part of Mercer's plan, which is world domination. It also seems very odd that Mercer reacted so angrily toward Heller tearing his plan apart after learning the truth, considering their entire "relationship" was built on Mercer lying to him about who killed his family. Like, what did you expect he would do? Just suddenly go along with your plan? And why even lie to him in the first place then if you expect his cooperation? Mercer clearly did not think his plan through.
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