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** We eventually find out that Nyx is physically impossible to stop, so letting some wayward pieces of her wreak havoc is preferable to any risk of her reforming.

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** We eventually find out that Nyx is physically impossible to stop, so letting some wayward pieces of her wreak havoc periodically is preferable to any risk of her reforming.reforming and starting the Fall.



** It's only natural for your Social Links to respond more favorably to you supporting them earlier on, even if their course of action isn't necessarily the best, since most people tend to prefer it when others agree with them. It's generally only later in the Social Link that the protagonist understands the Social Link NPC and their problems well enough to tell them what they need to hear.

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** It's only natural for your Social Links to respond more favorably to you supporting them earlier on, even if their course of action isn't necessarily the best, since most best. Most people tend to prefer it when others agree with them. them and resist criticism, even if they know it's objectively correct. It's generally only later in the Social Link that the protagonist understands the Social Link NPC and their problems well enough to tell them what they need to hear.hear in a way that they'll listen to.



** Ikutsuki is supplying them. He does it through an intermediary, but he is supporting both SEES and Strega as they both benefit his goals. Strega might be opposing SEES, but they provide more motivation to make them stronger without being a serious threat to his goals. More importantly, they can keep acting as Guinea pigs for his research on artificially-awakened Personas.

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** Ikutsuki is supplying them. He does it through an intermediary, but he is supporting both SEES S.E.E.S. and Strega as they both benefit his goals. Strega might be opposing SEES, S.E.E.S., but they provide more motivation for the group to make them get stronger without being a serious threat to his goals. More importantly, they can keep acting as Guinea pigs for his research on artificially-awakened Personas.



** Shadows have always existed for as long as there have been sapient beings. Tartarus is just one of the places they congregate, not the only one, as we have seen. Finding strays Shadows isn't easy, but could be done with enough effort and luck. Given how depraved the leadership of the Kirijo Group was at the time, they could very well have inflicted enough psychological trauma on subjects to force their own Shadows out as test subjects.

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** Shadows have always existed for as long as there have been sapient beings. Tartarus is just one of the places they congregate, not the only one, as we have seen. Finding strays Shadows a stray Shadow isn't easy, but could be done with enough effort and luck. Given how depraved the leadership of the Kirijo Group was at the time, they could very well have inflicted enough psychological trauma on subjects to force their own Shadows out as test subjects.



** Yes. First, the protagonist is the only Wild Card on the team, meaning that not only are they by far the most powerful member, but the only one capable of adapting to whatever unpredictable situations the group might face in Tartarus. Second, they're the one field leader that all of SEES has worked under, making them the most likely to be able to get everyone to work together smoothly. Third, by the time it was feasible to let someone else take charge, the Protagonist had more than proved themselves both in battle and as a leader so there was no reason to shake things up.

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** Yes. First, the protagonist is the only Wild Card on the team, meaning that not only are they by far the most powerful member, but the only one capable of adapting to whatever unpredictable situations the group might face in Tartarus. Second, they're the one field leader that all of SEES S.E.E.S. has worked under, making them the most likely to be able to get everyone to work together smoothly. Third, by the time it was feasible to let someone else take charge, the Protagonist had more than proved themselves both in battle and as a leader so there was no reason to shake things up.



** Ikutsuki just waited until the Dark Hour ended and contacted any number of people the Kirijo Group could trust to get them out discreetly. Remember, despite what we see as players, the Dark Hour is [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin only an hour long]]. It's not hard to wait out, especially given that they had to travel to the bar from the dorm and beat two Arcana Shadows to eat up most of the time. All in all, the group probably only had to wait in there for maybe an additional hour or two before someone arrived to let them out.

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** Ikutsuki just waited until the Dark Hour ended and contacted any number of people the Kirijo Group could trust to get them out discreetly. Remember, despite what we see as players, the Dark Hour is [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin only an hour long]]. It's not hard to wait out, especially given that they had to travel to the bar base from the dorm and beat two Arcana Shadows to eat up most of the time. All in all, the group probably only had to wait in there for maybe an additional hour or two before someone arrived to let them out.

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** ''Reload'' explicitly tells is that he is adopted. His parents care very much for him and regularly send him supplies and money to live on. He's somewhat emotionally distant from them and finds their care packages a bit embarrassing, but can be encouraged to appreciate their efforts more.



** Developer's shortsight. They fix and learn from this come Persona 4 and 5.

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** Developer's shortsight. They fix and learn from this and fix the problem by making most characters available outside school come Persona 4 and 5.



** Ikutsuki is supplying them. He might not be doing it directly, but he is supporting both SEES and Strega as they both benefit his goals. Strega might be opposing SEES, but they are offering more motivation to make them stronger. More importantly, they can keep acting as Guinea pigs for his research on artificial Personas.

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** Ikutsuki is supplying them. He might not be doing does it directly, through an intermediary, but he is supporting both SEES and Strega as they both benefit his goals. Strega might be opposing SEES, but they are offering provide more motivation to make them stronger. stronger without being a serious threat to his goals. More importantly, they can keep acting as Guinea pigs for his research on artificial artificially-awakened Personas.



** Shadows have always existed for as long as there have been sapient beings. Tartarus is just one of the places they congregate, not the only one, as we have seen. Finding strays Shadows isn't easy, but could be done with enough effort and luck. Given how depraved the leadership of the Kirijo Group was at the time, they could very well have inflicted enough psychological trauma on subjects to force their own Shadows out as test subjects.



** Yes. First, the protagonist is the only Wild Card on the team, meaning that not only are they by far the most powerful member, but the only one capable of adapting to whatever unpredictable situations the group might face in Tartarus. Second, they're the one field leader that all of SEES has worked under, making them the most likely to be able to get everyone to work together smoothly. Third, by the time it was feasible to let someone else take charge, they had more than proved themselves both in battle and as a leader so there was no reason to shake things up.

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** Yes. First, the protagonist is the only Wild Card on the team, meaning that not only are they by far the most powerful member, but the only one capable of adapting to whatever unpredictable situations the group might face in Tartarus. Second, they're the one field leader that all of SEES has worked under, making them the most likely to be able to get everyone to work together smoothly. Third, by the time it was feasible to let someone else take charge, they the Protagonist had more than proved themselves both in battle and as a leader so there was no reason to shake things up.


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** Ikutsuki just waited until the Dark Hour ended and contacted any number of people the Kirijo Group could trust to get them out discreetly. Remember, despite what we see as players, the Dark Hour is [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin only an hour long]]. It's not hard to wait out, especially given that they had to travel to the bar from the dorm and beat two Arcana Shadows to eat up most of the time. All in all, the group probably only had to wait in there for maybe an additional hour or two before someone arrived to let them out.


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** Their personal experiences with the Kirijo Group of the past as Jin's hacking experience grant them more information than S.E.E.S. has access to. They knew about Ikutsuki's insane plans so it was inevitable that they would find out about the entity central to them. With their mutual nihilism and spite for the world, it was only natural that they would latch onto the idea of Nyx bringing the Fall and do whatever they could to hasten its inevitable coming so they could witness it before their rapidly-approaching deaths.

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----[[folder:How did Takaya and Jin find out about Nyx?]]
* So in January, they start a cult which is centered around Nyx, but how did they even find out that she exists? Nobody knew until December, when Ryoji remembered his past and told S.E.E.S. about her. Was Takaya listening in and stalking the dorm? If he was doing that, why didn't he try to just kill S.E.E.S. in their sleep after the Dark Hour ends but before they would wake up?
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* So in January, they start a cult which is centered around Nyx, but how did they even find out that she exists? Nobody knew until December, when Ryoji remembered his past and told S.E.E.S. about her. Was Takaya listening in and stalking the dorm? dorm and listening in? If he was doing that, why didn't he try to just kill S.E.E.S. in their sleep after the Dark Hour ends but before they would wake up?
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* So in January, they start a cult which is centered around Nyx, but how did they even find out that she exists? Nobody knew until December, when Ryoji remembered his past and told S.E.E.S. about her. Was Takaya listening in and stalking the dorm? If he was doing that, why didn't he try to just kill S.E.E.S. in their sleep after the Dark Hour ends but before they would wake up?
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** A wizard - or rather, The Lovers Shadow - did it. Fuuka does state "It's the source of the mind manipulation", so chances are it made the water "real" to make Yukari/Akihiko/Junpei shower and thus lead to the MC/FemC embracing their desires. Bear in mind it's the Dark Hour and the shower works, yet the Priestess Shadow was able to control the monorail, thus it's not too much of a stretch for the Lovers to turn the shower and not make it blood. That and being covered in blood isn't a fetish most sane people have...

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** A wizard - or rather, The Lovers Shadow - did it. Fuuka does state "It's the source of the mind manipulation", so chances are it made the water "real" to make Yukari/Akihiko/Junpei shower and thus lead to the MC/FemC MC/[=FemC=] embracing their desires. Bear in mind it's the Dark Hour and the shower works, yet the Priestess Shadow was able to control the monorail, thus it's not too much of a stretch for the Lovers to turn the shower and not make it blood. That and being covered in blood isn't a fetish most sane people have...



* Somewhat minor in the grand scheme of things, but FeMC's naginata really makes me tilt my head. The other characters all have reasons to wield the weapons they do (school clubs, battle droid, using it like a baseball bat, etc.) and even the male MC's versatility makes some sense, especially if he joins the kendo team. But what experience could FeMC possibly have that lets her use such a specific weapon so well? Was she on the field hockey team at her last school? And that first night, where the heck was Yukari keeping it? I know, I know, RuleOfCool, but it raises so many questions...

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* Somewhat minor in the grand scheme of things, but FeMC's [=FeMC=]'s naginata really makes me tilt my head. The other characters all have reasons to wield the weapons they do (school clubs, battle droid, using it like a baseball bat, etc.) and even the male MC's versatility makes some sense, especially if he joins the kendo team. But what experience could FeMC [=FeMC=] possibly have that lets her use such a specific weapon so well? Was she on the field hockey team at her last school? And that first night, where the heck was Yukari keeping it? I know, I know, RuleOfCool, but it raises so many questions...



** The cast chooses their weapons based on what feels most comfortable or practical to them. Most of them have some training already, but that isn't strictly necessary (see: Junpei using swords like baseball bats). I assume FEMC picked her weapon to give her a range advantage to make up for lower upper body strength compared to her counterpart.

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** The cast chooses their weapons based on what feels most comfortable or practical to them. Most of them have some training already, but that isn't strictly necessary (see: Junpei using swords like baseball bats). I assume FEMC [=FEMC=] picked her weapon to give her a range advantage to make up for lower upper body strength compared to her counterpart.
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*** She does also dislike how much he overworks himself, maybe she used it as an excuse for him to have a break.


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* So first off, how did Strega close the door? No technology seems to work in the Dark Hour, even very basic stuff that doesn’t involve electricity, although the game doesn’t seem to be very consistent about this.
Second off, why couldn’t they just destroy the door? Their Personas are probably powerful enough to destroy a door of all things considering what they’re fighting, and this definitely wasn’t in the earlygame. They even have Aigis at this point.
Third off, Ikutsuki says that he’s going to call someone to get them out, but ignoring the question of how he would contact them, who did he call? The only other Persona users are the people who trapped S.E.E.S. and presumably loathe Ikutsuki + Shinjiro who wouldn’t be in contact with Ikutsuki. If Shinjiro did help, it certainly would’ve been shown/mentioned, and it also would’ve been at least mentioned if it was someone else. That just leaves Takeharu, who wasn’t on Tatsumi Port Island at this time. Did he just have S.E.E.S. wait about half an hour so a normal person could come and help them? You would think there would be some dorm dialogue after the fact of someone complaining about how tense or boring it was to wait.
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Was there ever an In-Universe explanation as to why nobody goes to Tartarus if the MC won't go? All they do there is exploration and training, and later on they are 6 members who can go, not counting the MC. You'd think that at least the question "Hey, our leader is staying here, but how about we train anyways?" comes up on regular days, especially if someone's feeling great.

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* Was there ever an In-Universe explanation as to why nobody goes to Tartarus if the MC won't go? All they do there is exploration and training, and later on they are 6 members who can go, not counting the MC. You'd think that at least the question "Hey, our leader is staying here, but how about we train anyways?" comes up on regular days, especially if someone's feeling great.
** Yes. First, the protagonist is the only Wild Card on the team, meaning that not only are they by far the most powerful member, but the only one capable of adapting to whatever unpredictable situations the group might face in Tartarus. Second, they're the one field leader that all of SEES has worked under, making them the most likely to be able to get everyone to work together smoothly. Third, by the time it was feasible to let someone else take charge, they had more than proved themselves both in battle and as a leader so there was no reason to shake things up.
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Was there ever an In-Universe explanation as to why nobody goes to Tartarus if the MC won't go? All they do there is exploration and training, and later on they are 6 members who can go, not counting the MC. You'd think that at least the question "Hey, our leader is staying here, but how about we train anyways?" comes up on regular days, especially if someone's feeling great.
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** This is because Gekkoukan is a combined primary-middle-high private school, which are common in Japan. In Japanese version, they refer to it as Gekkoukan Gakuen, which literally means "Gekkoukan School". This name has nuance of a private school. Similarly, in 5, Joker goes to Shujin Gakuen, however this time there is no mention of affiliated junior schools.

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** As the Reaper shows up in later games, it's safe to say it's an independent cognitive entity from Nyx. Not even Morgana with his memories as a Velvet Room pseudo-attendant has a concrete answer for what it is. The best guess I can come up with for it is that it represents the collective fear of death or a primal fear of predators. It stalks the Collective Unconscious looking for victims because that's its nature and it can't be permanently killed because it represents a fear that all living beings have to at least some extent. It being a primal fear would explain why it's so powerful and able to appear whenever a Persona-user remains in unguarded place in the mental realms for too long.



** The Evokers don't strictly need to be gun shaped, but the characters think they do. Remember, the Kirijo Group was operating off some very bad assumptions about how Shadows and Personas work. They found that mental trauma and exposure to the energy of a Plume of Dusk reliably got a user to summon out of subconscious self-defense and went with that for their technology. Basically scaring out a Persona instead of letting it come naturally from self reflection and determination. They didn't realize that there are other, less harsh ways to summon a persona because they didn't ever really understand them. They didn't care to try other methods because the Evoker worked well enough to facilitate their former leaders' crazy scheme and complete lack of concern for life.

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** The Evokers don't strictly need to be gun shaped, but the characters think they do. Remember, the Kirijo Group was operating off some very bad assumptions about how Shadows and Personas work. They found that mental trauma and exposure to the energy of a Plume of Dusk reliably got a user to summon out of subconscious self-defense and went with that for their technology. Basically scaring out a Evokers effectively scare the user into releasing their Persona instead of letting it come making them learn to naturally from release it through self reflection and determination. They SEES didn't realize that there are other, less harsh ways to summon a persona because they didn't ever really understand them. They The old Kirijo Group scientists didn't care to try other methods because the Evoker worked well enough to facilitate their former leaders' crazy scheme and complete lack of concern for life.


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*** The Kirijo Group already supplies the team. In Reload, they give you all sets of personalized weapons designed specifically to suit the users that are the best available at that point. The problem is that the higher levels of Tartarus have threats just too strong for mundane equipment to deal with. You need more exotic and powerful weapons as you rise that the Kirijo scientists just can't predict. So instead of tossing you crazy stuff at random and hoping for the best, they provide you with a shop that lets you procure new, stronger equipment as you see fit. The stock grows as you encounter Arcana Shadows, implying that the providers are making them available as they learn what best suits you and what's needed at the time. They also have one of their former scientists flown in to fuse Personas with weapons. Something that is so rare that usually only the Velvet Room can do that only works if they have a Wild Card around to provide spare Personas as materials, which they only knew existed when Makoto awakened in front of them. So you are getting some irreplaceable support for your activities.
*** Aigis' gear is easier to justify: she's a Kirijo Group android. Her gear is all custom-made and can only be provided by the Kirijo Group because nobody else would know how to make it. Her equipment is made available as it's developed from the observations of her performance in combat.


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** All of SEES are kids, remember? Persona-users are such a rare resource that they can't pass up any opportunity to recruit one. They recruited a dog beforehand because he showed the potential. Besides, Ken isn't much younger than Mitsuru and Akihiko were when they started. It's not good at all, but that's because it's a deliberate reflection if Ikutsuki's ruthlessness.


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*** Igor and the rest of the Velvet Room don't directly act because they're meant to guide the growth of humanity. Philemon knows the potential of humanity because he's basically made of it. He has his servants work to shepherd those with great potential to defeat threats to mankind's spiritual development through their own power. Them swooping in to fix all problems would [[HelpingWouldBeKillstealing make them the impediments to human progress]] as much as any of the enemies had been. Besides, him keeping a hands-off approach ensures [[EvilCounterpart Nyarly]] does the same.
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** It's because the game is a lot more tactical than most JRPGs, but also gives you the option of grinding levels and charging in. If you are underleveled, the variety of tactical options makes every encounter into a {{Puzzle Boss}}. If you prefer to just grind over your problems, the game rewards you for that, too.

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** It's because the game is a lot more tactical than most JRPGs, [=JRPGs=], but also gives you the option of grinding levels and charging in. If you are underleveled, the variety of tactical options makes every encounter into a {{Puzzle Boss}}. If you prefer to just grind over your problems, the game rewards you for that, too.
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* So the dark hour was stated to be created by the accident ten years prior. So where did Mitsuru’s grandfather and the other scientists find the shadows for the time manipulation device? Tartarus wasn’t created yet so where were shadows active? Was it ever explained in the answer or the club book?
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** It’s very simple, they were designed for non-human usage, and the other weapons are used by humans.

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* When does Shujin hold student council elections? Mitsuru, as a third-year, should have to retire at some point, prior to the student council electing her successor, but she's never shown or hinted at doing so during the game.

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* When does Shujin Gekkoukan hold student council elections? Mitsuru, as a third-year, should have to retire at some point, prior to the student council electing her successor, but she's never shown or hinted at doing so during the game.game.
** The game skips over the final few months of the school year, and the Protagonist missed an entire week at the start of the year. Presumably, the elections either happened before those final three days, or during the missing week - Mitsuru giving her speech at the start of the school year is framed with Junpei and Yukari seemingly learning that she won the election, so it had to have been just before the school year ended or shortly after it began.
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* When does Shujin hold student council elections? Mitsuru, as a third-year, should have to retire at some point, prior to the student council electing her successor, but she's never shown or hinted at doing so during the game.
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** That would be true... if the Full Moon Shadows were really that dangerous. Yes they feed on the human psyche, as do all shadows and that's bad, but the Dark Hour has been around for years if not always, and the Full Moon Shadows didn't even start appearing much less cause problems until the events of the game occurred. Something, probably Ikutski and Strega, caused them to start appearing every Full Moon to cause havoc when the game started. Besides, really the damage they cause is minimal and their potential actual threat only occurs when SEES starts going after them. For instance, the Priestess Shadow wasn't doing anything until SEES showed up, and then it went to try to ram the trains together in order to protect themselves from the group, or possibly out of malice at their presence. Either way, it could've easily just sat there maybe dining on one or two of the people riding the train until the Dark Hour ended every night, which is a definite improvement to the impending doom of the world. Besides SEES could've also looked for another way of dealing with the Full Moon Shadows besides destroying them as well.

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* Why is Yukari so concerned about you looking up if she is wearing something so short that it shows everything when she '''runs'''

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* Why is Yukari so concerned about you looking up if she is wearing something so short that it shows everything when she '''runs''''''runs'''?



** Mitsuru has a million things on her plate even without being the field leader, and isn't very comfortable with social interaction. Those are good reasons for her to delegate, though the game should have explicitly made the connection.



** [[http://orig01.deviantart.net/e016/f/2010/162/e/0/how_not_to_play_persona_3_by_ancret.jpg This is what happens.]]
*** The comic is no longer available, but it shows the MC choosing all the {{Jerkass}} options for each Social Link, including the ones that automatically max out. Igor then chides him for not developing any of his bonds, and reluctantly gives him the World arcana. The MC throws the card at Nyx and walks off.

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** [[http://orig01.deviantart.net/e016/f/2010/162/e/0/how_not_to_play_persona_3_by_ancret.jpg [[https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/582652-megami-tensei-persona This is what happens.]]
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** I guess thats true. Good Point.

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** I guess thats that's true. Good Point.point.



*** The dialouge during certain scenes also seems to indicate that summoning a persona during the day time is possible, and the opening animation has Yukari practicing (and failing to pull the trigger) during the evening. Then there is when the Persona's evlove, but that could just be for effect.

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*** The dialouge dialogue during certain scenes also seems to indicate that summoning a persona during the day time daytime is possible, and the opening animation has Yukari practicing (and failing to pull the trigger) during the evening. Then there is when the Persona's evlove, evolves, but that could just be for effect.



** I think they went overboard with the technology and created the first convincing android. But decided to tell noone or keep records about the project.

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** I think they went overboard with the technology and created the first convincing android. But decided to tell noone no one or keep records about the project.



** Mitsuru said she'd stand by Yukari's side no matter what. It's why they're the "chaos" side of the SMT law-neutral-chaos alignment in the Answer. Yukari's not thinking, only acting in hurt grief and Mitsuru with no real answer to the problems just decides to standby Yukari without thinking.

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** Mitsuru said she'd stand by Yukari's side no matter what. It's why they're the "chaos" side of the SMT law-neutral-chaos alignment in the Answer. Yukari's not thinking, only acting in hurt grief and Mitsuru with no real answer to the problems just decides to standby stand by Yukari without thinking.
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*** Personally, RuleOfFunny + ArmorPiercingSlap. If the girls are angry in a comedic context, not even Ryoji would escape their wrath.

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*** Personally, RuleOfFunny + ArmorPiercingSlap.slap. If the girls are angry in a comedic context, not even Ryoji would escape their wrath.
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** Gabriel is a woman in ''certain'' interpretations(not sure but I think that both Wiki/TheOtherWiki and Gabriel's compendium record mention this). Karol can be a guy's name, so why not have Gabriel for a girl? (That and it would be even more problematic if they changed the name since most angels have names that end in "-el", and the ones that don't were most likely translated from Hebrew.)

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** Gabriel is a woman in ''certain'' interpretations(not sure but I think that both Wiki/TheOtherWiki Website/TheOtherWiki and Gabriel's compendium record mention this). Karol can be a guy's name, so why not have Gabriel for a girl? (That and it would be even more problematic if they changed the name since most angels have names that end in "-el", and the ones that don't were most likely translated from Hebrew.)

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