History Headscratchers / Persona2

27th Feb '16 6:41:36 PM SteelEdge
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** That also brings up another point in my mind; Couldn't they have just kept their memories, so when they did go back in time, they would know what to do to prevent a disaster? It seems to me a totally viable plan.

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** That also brings up another point in my mind; Couldn't they have just kept their memories, so when they did go back in time, they would know what to do to prevent a disaster? It seems to me a totally viable plan.plan.
* Apparently, Jun was transferred from Seven Sisters to Kasugayama High because he used his Persona in his bullies before IS. But in EP, where he never played the Persona game with the others, he's shown in Kasu's uniform. What happened to him that made him transfer? He probably never played the Persona game at all, given that even when Sudou is manhandling him he neither summons nor awakens his Persona. Granted, [[spoiler: Sudou isn't trying to hurt him, ''just'' make him remember being Joker]], but being held hostage by a strange pyromaniac is a rather stressful situation and Tatsuya and Lisa [[spoiler: actually not Tatsuya]] awakened their Personas without nearly as much stress (Eikichi would rough them up at worst if they hadn't been interrupted.)
17th Jun '15 8:21:27 PM MintyCoolness
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* What exactly was Tatsuya's betrayal of his friends? All of the IS team made it clear that they had no intention of giving up their memories - that they intended to force the world to let them have their cake and eat it too. For some unexplained reason, only Tatsuya was successful at this, but it doesn't change the fact that he was following the same plan everyone else was.

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* What exactly was Tatsuya's betrayal of his friends? All of the IS team made it clear that they had no intention of giving up their memories - that they intended to force the world to let them have their cake and eat it too. For some unexplained reason, only Tatsuya was successful at this, but it doesn't change the fact that he was following the same plan everyone else was.was.
**That also brings up another point in my mind; Couldn't they have just kept their memories, so when they did go back in time, they would know what to do to prevent a disaster? It seems to me a totally viable plan.
3rd May '15 7:11:26 PM Mysterion
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** The bet hasn't been resolved as they haven't stopped him yet; Nyarlathotep still had one more trick which was killng Maya and ending the world through a chain of rumors which relied on her death. As for Philemon not doing anything, remember that he [[AllPowerfulBystander only guides and chooses his "proxies" as well as taking an observer role towards whatever events unfold.]] ''Why'' he chooses not to interfere isn't explicitly stated, but it's implied he wants humans to prove their constructive potential on their own.

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** The bet hasn't been resolved as they haven't stopped him yet; Nyarlathotep still had one more trick which was killng Maya and ending the world through a chain of rumors which relied on her death. As for Philemon not doing anything, remember that he [[AllPowerfulBystander only guides and chooses his "proxies" as well as taking an observer role towards whatever events unfold.]] ''Why'' he chooses not to interfere isn't explicitly stated, but it's implied he wants humans to prove their constructive potential on their own.own.
* What exactly was Tatsuya's betrayal of his friends? All of the IS team made it clear that they had no intention of giving up their memories - that they intended to force the world to let them have their cake and eat it too. For some unexplained reason, only Tatsuya was successful at this, but it doesn't change the fact that he was following the same plan everyone else was.
20th Feb '15 4:41:26 AM zaqareemalcolm
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* Since the bet had been resolved, how come Nyarlathotep could get Okamura to stab Maya, or why couldn't Philemon stop him or her?

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** In-game battles being [[GameplayAndStorySegregation abstractions of how the battles are actually being played out narratively.]] Like, if it wasn't represented by sprites and by characters taking turns, and was an animated cutscene or something similar we probably would've seen things like the party barely dodging or letting their Personas tank his attacks.
* Since the bet had been resolved, how come Nyarlathotep could get Okamura to stab Maya, or why couldn't Philemon stop him or her?her?
** The bet hasn't been resolved as they haven't stopped him yet; Nyarlathotep still had one more trick which was killng Maya and ending the world through a chain of rumors which relied on her death. As for Philemon not doing anything, remember that he [[AllPowerfulBystander only guides and chooses his "proxies" as well as taking an observer role towards whatever events unfold.]] ''Why'' he chooses not to interfere isn't explicitly stated, but it's implied he wants humans to prove their constructive potential on their own.
14th Dec '14 7:49:44 PM Mullon
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* Since the bet had been resolved, how come Nyarlathotep could stab Maya, or why couldn't Philemon stop him?

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* Since the bet had been resolved, how come Nyarlathotep could get Okamura to stab Maya, or why couldn't Philemon stop him?him or her?
14th Dec '14 5:30:53 PM Mullon
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** Well, you can attribute it to low sales in Japan (about only 200 000+ units, compared to the 900k for P3P and 700k for P2:IS), which probably spooked Atlus for a localisation. Besides, the only reason given was "Unusual Circumstances"

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** Well, you can attribute it to low sales in Japan (about only 200 000+ units, compared to the 900k for P3P and 700k for P2:IS), which probably spooked Atlus for a localisation. Besides, the only reason given was "Unusual Circumstances"Circumstances"
* Why is that when Hitler is using the Lance of Longinus to fight the party, none of his attacks are automatically fatal?
* Since the bet had been resolved, how come Nyarlathotep could stab Maya, or why couldn't Philemon stop him?
27th Feb '14 5:59:40 AM zaqareemalcolm
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* Is this true what I heard about the Eternal Punishment PSP version not being released in NA and PAL because it's "too late" in the PSP's "lifespan"? Why? Their system's "lifespan" sure as hell didn't stop them with Persona 3, 4, and Persona 5. (The PS3 was already out for about a year when Persona 3 was released.)

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* Is this true what I heard about the Eternal Punishment PSP version not being released in NA and PAL because it's "too late" in the PSP's "lifespan"? Why? Their system's "lifespan" sure as hell didn't stop them with Persona 3, 4, and Persona 5. (The PS3 was already out for about a year when Persona 3 was released.))
**Well, you can attribute it to low sales in Japan (about only 200 000+ units, compared to the 900k for P3P and 700k for P2:IS), which probably spooked Atlus for a localisation. Besides, the only reason given was "Unusual Circumstances"
26th Feb '14 5:07:21 PM SpaghettiBoy
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* Is this true what I heard about the Eternal Punishment PSP version not being released in NA and PAL because it's "too late" in the PSP's lifespan? That sure as hell didn't stop them from deciding to work on Persona 3 and 4 when the successor system was already out, and from planning on releasing Persona 5 in 201'''5'''.

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* Is this true what I heard about the Eternal Punishment PSP version not being released in NA and PAL because it's "too late" in the PSP's lifespan? That "lifespan"? Why? Their system's "lifespan" sure as hell didn't stop them from deciding to work on with Persona 3 3, 4, and 4 when the successor system Persona 5. (The PS3 was already out, and from planning on releasing out for about a year when Persona 5 in 201'''5'''.3 was released.)
26th Feb '14 5:06:06 PM SpaghettiBoy
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** They're both just fine. Hitler with sunglasses is still Hitler.

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** They're both just fine. Hitler with sunglasses is still Hitler.Hitler.

* Is this true what I heard about the Eternal Punishment PSP version not being released in NA and PAL because it's "too late" in the PSP's lifespan? That sure as hell didn't stop them from deciding to work on Persona 3 and 4 when the successor system was already out, and from planning on releasing Persona 5 in 201'''5'''.
13th Jan '14 6:00:57 PM Nerrin
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*** (Warning, incoming wall of text.) The thing is, Jun never forgot his friends from ten years ago. While the others suppressed their guilty memories, ''Jun never forgot'' and nursed a grudge for years. Likely, he went and recovered his mask at some point well before then - and it's not that the masks themselves grant the Ultimate Personae, it's that for Tatsuya, Maya, Lisa, and Eikichi, recovering ''their'' masks was an important step in recovering their memories and continuing their personal developments so they could unlock their Ultimates. The significance of the masks, not the masks themselves. But Jun got his mask back early, and under Nyarlathotep's influence the significance of the mask was twisted - it became a symbol of something outside of himself (the Circle, which he's separated himself from) instead of rediscovering a different facet of himself and his relationships. Not that the Masquerade was ever meant to grow out of control like that - Jun spread the rumor of the Joker granting wishes because he wanted to make people happy and prevent the troubles that plagued his life (this is a mix of WordOfGod and events in the game). Only as people took advantage of the Joker rumor, they started appending extra rumors to it. The Joker became a capricious trickster figure as people started wishing for things that were hardly nice at all, and the idea of a special elect whom the Joker favored over others grew out of it. Mixed with Papa Nyarly's influence and Jun's memories of the Masked Circle, an inner circle of Masquerade masters was formed and the Masquerade itself grew out of control. Every time someone blamed something weird and unpleasant on the Joker (and Sumaru City people are awful, making wishes for horrible things at the drop of a hat), it twisted Jun and the Masquerade further. Special elect and/or social club transforms into conspiracy transforms into ''ancient conspiracy'' with secret knowledge and oh suddenly there are Nazis because conspiracy theories are just like that. In all this, Jun's mask doesn't actually matter and recovering it wouldn't cause some grand epiphany or emergence of lost memories because he never lost them, and the mask doesn't mean the same thing to him that it does to Tatsuya and the others. Jun instead gains his Ultimate by going through the Aquarius Shrine because it means he's become a member of the TrueCompanions once more, fighting at their side and trusted implicitly by them despite having been their nemesis for most of the game thus far.
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