History Headscratchers / ParanoiaAgent

8th Nov '15 10:17:35 PM Mythology1
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** The reporter Kawazu was shown. Many of the same complaining background characters from the first as well. This adds some hope to the survival of other main and secondary characters.
25th Jan '15 3:52:23 PM FlourtownBrown
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* Who exactly died? The only characters the we know live are Tsukiko, Maniwa (maybe), and Ikari. Were the other characters not as important, or did they stay dead?
18th Nov '14 6:29:50 PM SmokedCheese
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** Maromi has a spiritual successor in Konya, a dandelion-colored cat. Stuff like "I don't want to do that" is reminiscent of the first episode; it's a showcase of Japanese people avoiding their responsibilities. The point is that nothing has actually changed; once the Lil' Slugger/Maromi commotion was over, people just found another form of escapism.

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** Maromi has a spiritual successor in Konya, a dandelion-colored cat. Stuff like "I don't want to do that" is reminiscent of the first episode; it's a showcase of Japanese people avoiding their responsibilities. The point is that nothing has actually changed; once the Lil' Slugger/Maromi commotion was over, It's BookEnds; people just found another form of escapism.escapism and reverted to their old ways.
18th Nov '14 6:28:44 PM SmokedCheese
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.** Maromi has a spiritual successor in Konya, a dandelion-colored cat. Stuff like "I don't want to do that" is reminiscent of the first episode; it's a showcase of Japanese people avoiding their responsibilities. The point is that nothing has actually changed; once the Lil' Slugger/Maromi commotion was over, people just found another form of escapism.

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.** Maromi has a spiritual successor in Konya, a dandelion-colored cat. Stuff like "I don't want to do that" is reminiscent of the first episode; it's a showcase of Japanese people avoiding their responsibilities. The point is that nothing has actually changed; once the Lil' Slugger/Maromi commotion was over, people just found another form of escapism.
18th Nov '14 6:28:21 PM SmokedCheese
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.** Maromi has a spiritual successor in Konya, a dandelion-colored cat. Stuff like "I don't want to do that" is reminiscent of the first episode; it's a showcase of Japanese people avoiding their responsibilities. The point is that nothing has actually changed; once the Lil' Slugger/Maromi commotion was over, people just found another form of escapism.
30th Sep '14 1:10:49 AM AdamC
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** .... It sounds almost like some kind of chuckling.



** RedHerring. They introduced her as a possible culprit of Lil' Slugger and later had her talking to Maniwa and Ikari to reveal he was more than he seemed.



* What the hell is lil' Slugger? It's definitely /something/ that feeds off of lies and delusion but is anything more about its origin or existance revealed? It seems like some kind of spirit but I don't think I picked out more than that.

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* What the hell is lil' Slugger? It's definitely /something/ that feeds off of lies and delusion but is anything more about its origin or existance existence revealed? It seems like some kind of spirit but I don't think I picked out more than that.that.
** Satoshi Kon does this stuff a lot, but it seems like Tsukiko invented him as a scapegoat, then because of her later fame when she needed to use him again, so many people discussing/fearing him allowed the idea to take on a life on its own. Other theories to why he became living entity include "Tsukiko has psychic powers" and "Just because."
28th Sep '14 12:07:13 PM Fauxlosophe
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** The ending implies that this has happened before and with it the seeds are planted for it to start fresh eventually. The old man presumably was the one who overcame the last iteration of "Lil' Slugger" and now his role as passed to Maniwa. Maniwa, during this story, was the truthseeker who brought down the delusion which is probably the closest we'll get to a reason for his dressing like that (aside from the fact that he liked videogames and wanted to be a hero while his world was collapsing and he was also slipping off the edge).



* Was the 2D cartoon world created by Ikari or Tsukiko? They were led there by Maromi, who was with Tsukiok, but Ikari breaks out of it by accepting that he has no place in the world. But when Ikari sees his wife and he remembers he wanted a child, why does Tsukiko seems to take the form of a child and call Ikari "father"?

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* Was the 2D cartoon world created by Ikari or Tsukiko? They were led there by Maromi, who was with Tsukiok, Tsukiko, but Ikari breaks out of it by accepting that he has no place in the world. But when Ikari sees his wife and he remembers he wanted a child, why does Tsukiko seems to take the form of a child and call Ikari "father"?"father"?
**My best guess here is that the two had compatable needs and neurosis; Tsukiko wanted a (gentle) father figure and Ikari wanted a daughter figure. This represented them fleeing reality and going to a place where they could fill that role for each other. Without one of the two playing into the other's delusion, the place would fall apart; which is what happens really. Tsukiko taking on the form of the child literally in Ikari's eyes was probably due to his inceased stress as he realized his wife died (or was dying) and he both needed to escape while wanting to remain; however, even before that it is implied Tsukiko appeared exactly that way to the towns people; she is given free candy when Ikari buys cigarrettes and fish so she can "grow" and etc. This is something you'd offer someone the age of the daughter, not 20ish Tsukiko.


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*What the hell is lil' Slugger? It's definitely /something/ that feeds off of lies and delusion but is anything more about its origin or existance revealed? It seems like some kind of spirit but I don't think I picked out more than that.
28th Sep '14 11:55:06 AM MarkLungo
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* After Lil' Slugger is defeated, there is much less demand in Tokyo for cute cartoon animals like Maromi. But what is everyone talking about when they say "I don't want to do that". It seems to be something related to the Lil' Slugger attack, but not necessarily maromi.

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* After Lil' Slugger is defeated, there is much less demand in Tokyo for cute cartoon animals like Maromi. But what is everyone talking about when they say "I don't want to do that". It seems to be something related to the Lil' Slugger attack, but not necessarily maromi.Maromi.
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28th Sep '14 11:54:16 AM MarkLungo
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** Did they escape? Are they Happy? No and No.
*** But that's the thing, it wasn't their fault, and their psychological conditions were utterly implausible.

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** * Did they escape? Are they Happy? No and No.
*** ** But that's the thing, it wasn't their fault, and their psychological conditions were utterly implausible.
28th Sep '14 11:51:56 AM Fauxlosophe
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** But that's the thing, it wasn't their fault, and their psychological conditions were utterly implausible.

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** *** But that's the thing, it wasn't their fault, and their psychological conditions were utterly implausible.



*** The trick of it is, while the cases themselves are medically dubious the characters have motivations to adopt them as defence mechanisms. The clearest case is Taeko; she discovered something that tore her from her father who she was very devoted to and led her to run away. She gets hit and when she wakes up, she denies knowing anything. It's not like it's really shown in full as amnesia, she's semi-catatonic and clearly not tied into reality. Considering the role Lil' Slugger plays as a sort of paranormal phantom, this seems plausible. Harumi is harder to argue for but it's pretty clear that Maria is an escape for her and a coping mechanism in some ways; it fits the theme if you follow the idea that Harumi is "the fake" and has adopted the identity of "Maria" to rebel against it (even if she isn't concious of it). It's dubious medically, but it fits the theme and doesn't excuse Harumi of responsibility but shows her as having perhaps the most divided self and elaborate fantasy (fantasies?) of all the cast.

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*** ** The trick of it is, while the cases themselves are medically dubious the characters have motivations to adopt them as defence mechanisms. The clearest case is Taeko; she discovered something that tore her from her father who she was very devoted to and led her to run away. She gets hit and when she wakes up, she denies knowing anything. It's not like it's really shown in full as amnesia, she's semi-catatonic and clearly not tied into reality. Considering the role Lil' Slugger plays as a sort of paranormal phantom, this seems plausible. Harumi is harder to argue for but it's pretty clear that Maria is an escape for her and a coping mechanism in some ways; it fits the theme if you follow the idea that Harumi is "the fake" and has adopted the identity of "Maria" to rebel against it (even if she isn't concious of it). It's dubious medically, but it fits the theme and doesn't excuse Harumi of responsibility but shows her as having perhaps the most divided self and elaborate fantasy (fantasies?) of all the cast.
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