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* Everything about the "other" world seems to scream faeries, but throughout it is referred to as the Underworld. Do they mean Underworld as in, it's underground, but essentially Fairyland, or am I missing something crucial about Spamish mythology? Otherwise it sounds like Ofelia's apparent birth parents aere the King and Queen of the Land of the Dead.

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* Everything about the "other" world seems to scream faeries, but throughout it is referred to as the Underworld. Do they mean Underworld as in, it's underground, but essentially Fairyland, or am I missing something crucial about Spamish Spanish mythology? Otherwise it sounds like Ofelia's apparent birth parents aere are the King and Queen of the Land of the Dead.
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* Now, it's been about 3 years since I've seen the movie, so details are a bit fuzzy, but this part of the ending really bothered me: ''Just what's so bad about a little baby blood??'' Now, I know that when people say that they want some of your blood-- even just a little!-- then that usually means that they're going to kill you and drain you of all of it. Were that the case, I could understand how this test would be a pass/fail re: becoming a princess of a magic fairy kingdom. But mystical creatures, so far as I've come to know them, are literal to absurd proportions. So, if they say "just a little blood", you could ''totally'' get away with giving them just a drop, and they'd just have to say "Well, I guess that ''is'' what I said..." and deal with it. Going with that line of reasoning, this implies that drawing even a drop of blood from a baby-- even if it's to complete a series of tasks while on a mystical quest wherein all of your other tasks have been presented on the level (i.e. not secretly devised to kill you or otherwise full of trickery and underhandedness)-- means you're going to die alone and no one will ever know about it, instead of being transported to a land of magic and wonder. Now ''that'' is some underhanded mystical creature shit right there. The reason this pisses me off so much is because ''I so totally would have given him the baby blood''. I mean, Jesus, he's a baby, not a Romanov; it's not going to kill him to have a drop of blood lost. Unless causing even mild, momentary pain to another person, even with legitimate reason (magical quest! magical quest!), is enough to destroy your Innocent Little Girl status? To which I say: [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotHeinous What Do You Mean It's Heinous?]] Damn mystical creatures.

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* Now, it's been about 3 years since I've seen the movie, so details are a bit fuzzy, but this part of the ending really bothered me: ''Just what's so bad about a little baby blood??'' Now, I know that when people say that they want some of your blood-- even just a little!-- then that usually means that they're going to kill you and drain you of all of it. Were that the case, I could understand how this test would be a pass/fail re: becoming a princess of a magic fairy kingdom. But mystical creatures, so far as I've come to know them, are literal to absurd proportions. So, if they say "just a little blood", you could ''totally'' get away with giving them just a drop, and they'd just have to say "Well, I guess that ''is'' what I said..." and deal with it. Going with that line of reasoning, this implies that drawing even a drop of blood from a baby-- even if it's to complete a series of tasks while on a mystical quest wherein all of your other tasks have been presented on the level (i.e. not secretly devised to kill you or otherwise full of trickery and underhandedness)-- means you're going to die alone and no one will ever know about it, instead of being transported to a land of magic and wonder. Now ''that'' is some underhanded mystical creature shit right there. The reason this pisses me off so much is because ''I so totally would have given him the baby blood''. I mean, Jesus, he's a baby, not a Romanov; it's not going to kill him to have a drop of blood lost. Unless causing even mild, momentary pain to another person, even with legitimate reason (magical quest! magical quest!), is enough to destroy your Innocent Little Girl status? To which I say: [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotHeinous [[FelonyMisdemeanor What Do You Mean It's Heinous?]] Damn mystical creatures.
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* Alright, I know this has been discussed before, but it's a major wallbanger, so it should go here, too. The problem is, ''why the bloody hell did Ofelia eat the damn fairy food!?'' Ofelia is a smart girl, and reads fairy stories; shouldn't she have learned something? And if you learn ''anything'' from fairy stories, it's that ''You Do Not Eat The Fairy Food.'' It's one of those things that I learned so early I don't remember when - Do Not Go Places With Strangers. Do Not Leave Things For Other People To Trip Over. ''[[RuleOfThree Do Not]] Eat The Fairy Food.'' They are Not Like Us, what is Theirs is Not Ours, you Do Not Mess With The Fey. It's not that they're evil, but they're not human. So how come we expect them to be like us? Anyway. Sure, she was hungry, sure she's curious, sure it's a demonstration of how not all orders are obeyed, whatever. A fairy himself told her not to, even! But noooooooooooooooooo, she just had to eat them. And so [[CrapsackWorld it]] [[ItGetsWorse all goes down the drain.]] Gee, thanks!

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* Alright, I know this has been discussed before, but it's a major wallbanger, so it should go here, too. The problem is, ''why the bloody hell did Ofelia eat the damn fairy food!?'' Ofelia is a smart girl, and reads fairy stories; shouldn't she have learned something? And if you learn ''anything'' from fairy stories, it's that ''You Do Not Eat The Fairy Food.'' It's one of those things that I learned so early I don't remember when - Do Not Go Places With Strangers. Do Not Leave Things For Other People To Trip Over. ''[[RuleOfThree Do Not]] Eat The Fairy Food.'' They are Not Like Us, what is Theirs is Not Ours, you Do Not Mess With The Fey. It's not that they're evil, but they're not human. So how come we expect them to be like us? Anyway. Sure, she was hungry, sure she's curious, sure it's a demonstration of how not all orders are obeyed, whatever. A fairy himself told her not to, even! But noooooooooooooooooo, she just had to eat them. And so [[CrapsackWorld it]] [[ItGetsWorse it all goes down the drain.]] Gee, thanks!

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** He probably wanted to make sure that she was able to bear a child. Also, you probably wouldn't want to marry a man like him, unless you are a single mother during...a not very friendly time period, having a high-rank militar would secure her some stability to raise her daughter. And more than resent, it's more like not caring for her. He has a reputation to maintain and he will get angry if she does something to treat that, but besides that, he doesn't seem to care all that much for her in both senses.

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** He probably wanted to make sure that she was able to bear a child. Also, you probably wouldn't want to marry a man like him, unless you are a single mother during...a not very friendly time period, having a high-rank militar would secure her some stability to raise her daughter. And more than resent, it's more like not caring for her. He has a reputation to maintain and he will get angry if she does something to treat threaten that, but besides that, he doesn't seem to care all that much for her in both senses.senses.
** He seemed indifferent to her until he found her with Mercedes.
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*** Right. The wall drawings of the Pale Man eating children didn't seem to be set in his lair.
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*** Exactly. And she passed the SecretTestOfCharacer because she didn't blindly do what she was told, just like the doctor had been saying to Vidal.

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*** Exactly. And she passed the SecretTestOfCharacer because she didn't blindly do what she was told, just like a theme raised when the doctor had been saying was speaking to Vidal.
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*** Exactly. And she passed the SecretTestOfCharacer because she didn't blindly do what she was told, just like the doctor had been saying to Vidal.
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** He probably wanted to make sure that she was able to bear a child. Also, you probably wouldn't want to marry a man like him, unless you are a single mother during...a not very friendly time period, having a high-rank militar would secure her some stability to raise her daughter. And more than resent, it's more like not caring for her. He has a reputation to maintain and he will get angry if she does something to treat that, but besides that, he doesn't seem to care all that much for her in both senses.
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** Nobody said the Pale Man stayed in his lair, and supernatural beings possess ways of getting from one place to another that don't involve doors.
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* If Captain Vidal resents having a stepdaughter so much, why didn't he marry a childless woman? He could just as easily get his son that way.
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* How did so many kids get to be eaten by The Pale Man? It seems like a fairly isolated place without any normal doors or windows. Did the kids just wander into his house/lair or has the Faun been sending kids over every few years?
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** The second time I saw the movie, I read it as a parallel to Ofelia's mother marrying Captain Vidal, and buying into his luxury, power, and prestige, even though she has to know something of what a monster he is. She let greed overrule fear, and Ofelia did the same.
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** Ofelia does try to draw a door onto the wall again, but unlike her bedroom, the wall is too rough for the chalk. There's even a brief shot of half of the stick breaking off onto the floor. She looks around, panicking, but settles on the ceiling, which apparently isn't covered in the same rough texture as the walls.

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** Might be a case of a mistranslation; in the original Spanish film, the other world is referred to as "Reino Subterráneo", which literally translates to "Underground Kingdom", hence no relation to the Land of the Dead. They probably translated it as "Underworld" to make it sound more fairy tale-ish.

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** Might be a case of a mistranslation; in the original Spanish film, the other world is referred to as "Reino Subterráneo", which literally translates to "Underground Kingdom", hence no relation to the Land of the Dead. They probably translated it as "Underworld" to make it sound more fairy tale-ish.
** In Celtic mythology, fairies usually live underground, often inside ancient burial mounds. Also, especially later myths blur the difference between fairies and the spirits of the dead, and do associate their homes with one another. Whether or not this movie makes the association is a matter of speculation.
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** They were paralyzed by fear? He ''is'' made of HighOctaneNightmareFuel.

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** They were paralyzed by fear? He ''is'' made of HighOctaneNightmareFuel.NightmareFuel.
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** Imagine you've recently gone an entire day without eating. Now imagine there's a banquet of the most delicious, mouth-watering food you've ever seen in your life, all of which is probably enchanted to be irresistible. Would ''you'' be able to wait?
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** Might be a case of a mistranslation; in the original Spanish film, the other world is referred to as "Reino Subterráneo", which literally translates to "Underground Kingdom", hence no relation to the Land of the Dead. They probably translated it as "Underworld" to make it sound more fairy tale-ish.
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** It's been three years since I've seen the movie too, but I still remember that scene and how it looked. The thought definitely occurred to me "Well if it's just a drop..." but I felt like I was looking at two characters neither of whom believed for a moment that it was really just a drop. The Faun had been acting creepier and creepier and now was acting extra creepy. And he had a HUGE knife. I think if he'd had a needle I'd have felt quite differently.
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* Anybody else wonder what would have happened if Ofelia had simply taken the grapes home and eaten them later? She certainly didn't have to eat them right then.
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* Everything about the "other" world seems to scream faeries, but throughout it is referred to as the Underworld. Do they mean Underworld as in, it's underground, but essentially Fairyland, or am I missing something crucial about Spamish mythology? Otherwise it sounds like Ofelia's apparent birth parents aere the King and Queen of the Land of the Dead.
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** Because then it'll be harder for the Pale Man to catch her.

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* There was one thing that bugged this Troper when watching Ofelia's escape-from-the-Pale-Man scene. Why, exactly, did she have to get up on a chair and draw a trapdoor in the ceiling? Wouldn't it have been much easier- and, more importantly, much faster- to simply draw another one on the wall?



* There was one thing that bugged this Troper when watching Ofelia's escape-from-the-Pale-Man scene. Why, exactly, did she have to get up on a chair and draw a trapdoor in the ceiling? Wouldn't it have been much easier- and, more importantly, much faster- to simply draw another one on the wall?
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There was one thing that bugged this Troper when watching Ofelia's escape-from-the-Pale-Man scene. Why, exactly, did she have to get up on a chair and draw a trapdoor in the ceiling? Wouldn't it have been much easier- and, more importantly, much faster- to simply draw another one on the wall?

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* There was one thing that bugged this Troper when watching Ofelia's escape-from-the-Pale-Man scene. Why, exactly, did she have to get up on a chair and draw a trapdoor in the ceiling? Wouldn't it have been much easier- and, more importantly, much faster- to simply draw another one on the wall?
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There was one thing that bugged this Troper when watching Ofelia's escape-from-the-Pale-Man scene. Why, exactly, did she have to get up on a chair and draw a trapdoor in the ceiling? Wouldn't it have been much easier- and, more importantly, much faster- to simply draw another one on the wall?
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** Also add in the fact that the only way out of that room is to go all the way back, climb on a chair, and draw another portal. It's very easy ti become cornered in that room. You also have to take into account, these are simple, stupid children. Not some GenreSavvy adventurer.
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** They were paralyzed by fear? He ''is'' made of HighOctaneNightmareFuel.
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*** Well, if you think about it, that's exactly what happened in the end. Her own blood was spilled into the portal, and it worked, so she was the innocent in question.
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* Why exactly is the pale man so threatening? Yeah, he looks scary, but he walks incredibly slowly, and can't use both hands at the same time without being blinded. The only way he can actually kill someone is if they deliberately go up to him, like the fairies. As far as we know, going up against him is as easy as going up against a single zombie. How did he manage to kill so many children?

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* Why exactly is the pale man so threatening? Yeah, he looks scary, but he walks incredibly slowly, and can't use both hands at the same time without being blinded. The only way he can actually kill someone is if they deliberately go up to him, like the fairies. As far as we know, going up against fighting him is as easy as going up against fighting a single zombie. How did he manage to kill so many quick moving children?
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* Why exactly is the pale man so threatening? Yeah, he looks scary, but he walks incredibly slowly, and can't use both hands at the same time without being blinded. The only way he can actually kill someone is if they deliberately go up to him, like the fairies. As far as we know, going up against him is as easy as going up against a single zombie. How did he manage to kill so many children?
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* Captain Vidal barely acknowledges Ofelia's existence unless she does something wrong, but it's pretty weird that her mother, Mercedes or anybody else doesn't have problem with her just wandering around alone in the woods filled with partisans at the height of civil war.
** It isn't, so much, that Ofelia's mother (and Mercedes) have no problem with Ofelia wandering around in the woods. It's that the only time Ofelia goes out there, she's already most of the way back before anyone realizes she might have gone to the woods. As for them stopping her...well, she manages to evade the notice of the guards around the mill, her mother is on enforced bed-rest, and Mercedes is busy organizing a dinner party on limited supplies while also funnelling supplies and information to the rebels. They ''do'' notice that she's gone and organize a quiet search for her (you can hear Ofelia's mom asking if they've found Ofelia yet, just before the dinner party scene) but they can't search the woods; that would require having Vidal send out his men - and ''that'' would make Ofelia's punishment his decision, rather than her mother's, since he had to expend effort to find her and bring her back. And Ofelia's mother is unlikely to want that to happen, since Vidal would probably do something worse than just send Ofelia to bed without dinner.

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