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** Speaking as just a Criminal Justice major, not a fully trained lawyer or anything, yes, Alex's testimony (especially if she'd been giving up more important people in the chain) combined with the information mentioned above would be more than enough for a prosecutor to file a charging document. Given her situation, especially with a lawyer who didn't hate her, it's entirely possible Piper could have won at trial. This is one of the two major reasons prosecutors offer plea deals, the other being if it's an ironclad case with lots of evidence and they don't want to waste the time and money on a trial. Piper probably should have taken her changes with the jury, but given the situation, nobody probably told her that.
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** This troper lives in a town with a medium security women's prison of the sort depicted in the show. One of the biggest concerns is that when the women are released, they have nowhere to go, not even a halfway house. With no jobs, no money, family often far away, and landlords who require references and a credit check, where are they supposed to go?
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** This troper lives in a town with a medium security women's prison of the sort depicted in the show. One of the biggest concerns is that when the women are released, they have nowhere to go, not even a halfway house. With no jobs, no money, family often far away, and landlords who require references and a credit check, where are they supposed to go?
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** Setting aside what is supposed to happen in reality, take a long look at the authority figures on this series and tell me where on the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVsCynicism we are supposed to be.
** Setting aside what is supposed to happen in reality, take a long look at the authority figures on this series and tell me where on the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVsCynicism we are supposed to be.
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** Piper never read the indictment, so we don't know that Alex's word was the "only" evidence they had. Indeed, once they have the Alex's testimony, they can surely find a lot of corroboration: airline tickets, visa stamps, hotel bills, etc showing that Piper was following Alex around the world. Once you are established as part of a criminal conspiracy under federal law, the charges can rack up QUICK so confessing to a simple charge can look like a fantastic deal to even a good lawyer. Moreover, the fact that her conduct occurred in foreign countries doesn't prevent her from being charged in the US, considering they were done in furtherance of a conspiracy to import drugs to the US.
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** Pennsatucky and Claudette both were arrested for killing one specific person for one specific reason. They're likely considered to not be much of a real threat, and unlikely to repeat the crime again.
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** Pennsatucky and Claudette both were arrested for killing one specific person for one specific reason. They're likely considered to not be much of a real threat, and unlikely to repeat the crime again.again.
*** Does that really hold for Pennsatucky? If the court bought her "protecting the unborn" plea, she'd still be a threat to any OTHER abortion clinic employee out there.
*** Does that really hold for Pennsatucky? If the court bought her "protecting the unborn" plea, she'd still be a threat to any OTHER abortion clinic employee out there.
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* Why are convicted murderers like Pennsatucky and Miss Claudette being held in the same prison as non-violent criminals like Piper, Janae, Sophia, and Sister Ingalls? Wouldn't violent offenders be placed in a prison with tighter security?
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* Why are convicted murderers like Pennsatucky and Miss Claudette being held in the same prison as non-violent criminals like Piper, Janae, Sophia, and Sister Ingalls? Wouldn't violent offenders be placed in a prison with tighter
** Pennsatucky and Claudette both were arrested for killing one specific person for one specific reason. They're likely considered to not be much of a real threat, and unlikely to repeat the crime again.
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** Did you not hear her Italian-American accent which was thicker than a block of ice?
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**** Is it ever stated where she committed that crime? If she was in Washington, D.C., then that could explain things. IIRC, felonies there go into the federal system.
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* Piper carried a suitcase full of money - once - from one European country to another. I haven't watched the whole series yet bu apparently the only evidence is the testimony of a disgruntled former lover who was most likely indicted on major drug offenses. I know the first episode explains that Piper took a deal to plead guilty and I am not a lawyer, or an American, but on what basis could an American prosecutor even charge her? I have to think that a criminal case needs to be based on more than one spurned-ex-lover witness - who is making a deal for a reduced sentence - saying "She like, totally did it, for real man!" Even if there was corroborating evidence, how would an American prosecutor charge Piper for carrying money around Europe? Is there a real legal basis for that? Could Piper really have such a bad attorney?
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* Piper carried a suitcase full of money - once - from one European country to another. I haven't watched the whole series yet bu apparently the only evidence is the testimony of a disgruntled former lover who was most likely indicted on major drug offenses. I know the first episode explains that Piper took a deal to plead guilty and I am not a lawyer, or an American, but on what basis could an American prosecutor even charge her? I have to think that a criminal case needs to be based on more than one spurned-ex-lover witness - who is making a deal for a reduced sentence - saying "She like, totally did it, for real man!" Even if there was corroborating evidence, how would an American prosecutor charge Piper for carrying money around Europe? Is there a real legal basis for that? Could Piper really have such a bad attorney?attorney?
* Why are convicted murderers like Pennsatucky and Miss Claudette being held in the same prison as non-violent criminals like Piper, Janae, Sophia, and Sister Ingalls? Wouldn't violent offenders be placed in a prison with tighter security?
* Why are convicted murderers like Pennsatucky and Miss Claudette being held in the same prison as non-violent criminals like Piper, Janae, Sophia, and Sister Ingalls? Wouldn't violent offenders be placed in a prison with tighter security?
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*** The issue is that she committed a state crime, not a federal crime. Everyone else whose crime has been revealed so far was involved with either drugs or interstate crimes. Watson knocked over a store.
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*** The issue is that she committed a state crime, not a federal crime. Everyone else whose crime has been revealed so far was involved with either drugs or interstate crimes. Watson knocked over a store.store.
*Piper carried a suitcase full of money - once - from one European country to another. I haven't watched the whole series yet bu apparently the only evidence is the testimony of a disgruntled former lover who was most likely indicted on major drug offenses. I know the first episode explains that Piper took a deal to plead guilty and I am not a lawyer, or an American, but on what basis could an American prosecutor even charge her? I have to think that a criminal case needs to be based on more than one spurned-ex-lover witness - who is making a deal for a reduced sentence - saying "She like, totally did it, for real man!" Even if there was corroborating evidence, how would an American prosecutor charge Piper for carrying money around Europe? Is there a real legal basis for that? Could Piper really have such a bad attorney?
*Piper carried a suitcase full of money - once - from one European country to another. I haven't watched the whole series yet bu apparently the only evidence is the testimony of a disgruntled former lover who was most likely indicted on major drug offenses. I know the first episode explains that Piper took a deal to plead guilty and I am not a lawyer, or an American, but on what basis could an American prosecutor even charge her? I have to think that a criminal case needs to be based on more than one spurned-ex-lover witness - who is making a deal for a reduced sentence - saying "She like, totally did it, for real man!" Even if there was corroborating evidence, how would an American prosecutor charge Piper for carrying money around Europe? Is there a real legal basis for that? Could Piper really have such a bad attorney?
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** She's young, it was a first crime, the likelihood of her repeating it again is low, plus she might have gotten a better deal if she convinced the judge she was the bagholder and not the one with the gun.
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** She's young, it was a first crime, the likelihood of her repeating it again is low, plus she might have gotten a better deal if she convinced the judge she was the bagholder and not the one with the gun.gun.
*** The issue is that she committed a state crime, not a federal crime. Everyone else whose crime has been revealed so far was involved with either drugs or interstate crimes. Watson knocked over a store.
*** The issue is that she committed a state crime, not a federal crime. Everyone else whose crime has been revealed so far was involved with either drugs or interstate crimes. Watson knocked over a store.
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** She's young, it was a first crime, the likelihood of her repeating it again is low, plus she might have gotten a better deal if she convinced the judge she was the bagholder and not the one with the gun.
** She's young, it was a first crime, the likelihood of her repeating it again is low, plus she might have gotten a better deal if she convinced the judge she was the bagholder and not the one with the gun.
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** Possibly sneaking it out every so often and plugging it in somewhere remote. Keeping it in the stall 99% of the time would have drastically reduced her chances of getting caught with it.
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** Possibly sneaking it out every so often and plugging it in somewhere remote. Keeping it in the stall 99% of the time would have drastically reduced her chances of getting caught with it.it.
* How did Watson end up in federal minimum security for what looked like an armed robbery?
* How did Watson end up in federal minimum security for what looked like an armed robbery?
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*** That only applies to service dogs ''on duty''. It's perfectly okay to socialize with them when they aren't in business mode. Besides, many service dog programs get volunteers to socialize the dog and do basic training, before the real work begins. (though with how old Lil' Boo seems to be, that probably isn't the case here)
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** Plus, y'know, she explains that herself when Piper asks her the exact same question?
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** Possibly sneaking it out every so often and plugging it in somewhere remote. Keeping it in the stall 99% of the time would have drastically reduced her chances of getting caught with it.
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** It's implied that Piper's name is just one of a long list. While I haven't read the book, in [[http://www.marieclaire.com/celebrity-lifestyle/articles/drug-trafficking-federal-prison this]] article, Piper Kerman describes her former lover as "pointing fingers and naming names," so this probably happened all up and down the distribution chain.
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** It's implied that Piper's name is just one of a long list. While I haven't read the book, in [[http://www.marieclaire.com/celebrity-lifestyle/articles/drug-trafficking-federal-prison this]] article, Piper Kerman describes her former lover as "pointing fingers and naming names," so this probably happened all up and down the distribution chain.chain.
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* How was Flores charging the cell phone?
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** It could also be that the dog is being trained as a therapy dog, so touching is okay.
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** It's implied that Piper's name is just one of a long list. While I haven't read the book, in [[http://www.marieclaire.com/celebrity-lifestyle/articles/drug-trafficking-federal-prison this]] article, Piper Kerman describes her former lover as "pointing fingers and naming names," so this probably happened all up and down the distribution chain.
** It's implied that Piper's name is just one of a long list. While I haven't read the book, in [[http://www.marieclaire.com/celebrity-lifestyle/articles/drug-trafficking-federal-prison this]] article, Piper Kerman describes her former lover as "pointing fingers and naming names," so this probably happened all up and down the distribution chain.
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** She's a trustee in a minimum security prison. In other words, yes, she is a really good inmate.
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** She's a trustee in a minimum security prison. In other words, yes, she is a really good inmate.inmate.
* Why would Alex get a reduced sentence for naming someone lower in the distribution chain?
* Why would Alex get a reduced sentence for naming someone lower in the distribution chain?
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** This troper lives in a town with a medium security women's prison of the sort depicted in the show. One of the biggest concerns is that when the women are released, they have nowhere to go, not even a halfway house. With no jobs, no money, family often far away, and landlords who require references and a credit check, where are they supposed to go?
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** No one said she was good at the training. And honestly, over 80% of dogs trained up to be service dogs don't make it, for one reason or another. What are your bets on Little Boo?
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*** In that window between when he was caught and before she got caught for pills, he she could have stepped in and said "He did this." Knowing that pills are gonna come in before being caught with them, gives you an advantage
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** And why the hell are people allowed to cuddle the dog and all when she brings it in? Not touching service dogs on duty is like the First Rule of Fight Club.
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** She's a trustee in a minimum security prison. In other words, yes, she is a really good inmate.
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*** In that window between when he was caught and before she got caught for pills, he could have stepped in and said "He did this." Knowing that pills are gonna come in before being caught with them, gives you an advantage
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** Kudos to answering your own question as you were asking it by the way.way.
* How could they trust Morello with keys to a car? She must be a really good inmate
* How could they trust Morello with keys to a car? She must be a really good inmate
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** This is a common program in prisons, actually. They get prisoners jobs training dogs as service animals or just as pets. The idea is that it's teaching a valuable skill and improving morale at the same time, because puppies are cute.
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** This is a common program in prisons, actually. They get prisoners jobs training dogs as service animals or just as pets. The idea is that it's teaching a valuable skill and improving morale at the same time, because puppies are cute.cute.
** Kudos to answering your own question as you were asking it by the way.
** Kudos to answering your own question as you were asking it by the way.
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**Because not all people of Spanish descent are of mixed race and Morello is an Italian name.
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* Where the hell did Boo get a dog? She has a vest like a guide dog or a dog being trained for that, but still?still?
** This is a common program in prisons, actually. They get prisoners jobs training dogs as service animals or just as pets. The idea is that it's teaching a valuable skill and improving morale at the same time, because puppies are cute.
** This is a common program in prisons, actually. They get prisoners jobs training dogs as service animals or just as pets. The idea is that it's teaching a valuable skill and improving morale at the same time, because puppies are cute.
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* Where the hell did Boo get a dog? She has a vest like a guide dog or a dog being trained for that, but still?
* Where the hell did Boo get a dog? She has a vest like a guide dog or a dog being trained for that, but still?
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** Tricia, Nicky, Alex and Boo at ''no point'' in the series give any indication that they're bisexual, both before and after prison they're only seen with women. Morello seems to be the closest to heterosexual.
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** A failing one. Hence why he was struggling and out of work, and had to take the quick and easy route of writing about Piper even though she said she didn't like the idea.
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* Are people likeMoreno, Morello, Nicky, and Tricia lesbians or bi like Boo and Alex or are they just in homosexual relationships because it's prison and they're not fully heterosexual on the Kinsey scale?
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** I'm given to understood that parole officers are not obligated to do anything for the ex-convict they're supervising and can and will blame everything not up to standards in their charge's life on their charge, regardless of whether it was within their control.
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*Why is Moreno in the white contingent with her Hispanic name?
*Are people like Moreno, Nicky, and Tricia lesbians or bi like Boo and Alex or are they just in homosexual relationships because it's prison and they're not fully heterosexual on the Kinsey scale?
*Why didn't Red try to say that the pills came from Mendez after he was fired? He couldn't rat her out anymore cause he was gone.
*Why are Adelina and Daya in jail when Cesar isn't?
*What kind of idiot thinks that an article about ejaculation would fly in the New York Times? Did he confuse it with Penthouse? Also, what kind of idiotic freelance reporter only has one article idea when he meets with an editor?
*It doesn't seem unrealistic that Taystee would go back to prison, but her parole officer should have ensured that she had a new place to go if her stated new place of residence was no longer viable because her cousin got evicted
*Are people like Moreno, Nicky, and Tricia lesbians or bi like Boo and Alex or are they just in homosexual relationships because it's prison and they're not fully heterosexual on the Kinsey scale?
*Why didn't Red try to say that the pills came from Mendez after he was fired? He couldn't rat her out anymore cause he was gone.
*Why are Adelina and Daya in jail when Cesar isn't?
*What kind of idiot thinks that an article about ejaculation would fly in the New York Times? Did he confuse it with Penthouse? Also, what kind of idiotic freelance reporter only has one article idea when he meets with an editor?
*It doesn't seem unrealistic that Taystee would go back to prison, but her parole officer should have ensured that she had a new place to go if her stated new place of residence was no longer viable because her cousin got evicted
