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*** Another thing they didn't consider is that the warhead is not installed on the missiles all the time. The warheads are only installed when the USA is at elevated risk levels.
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** You are 'vastly' overestimating how powerful the detonations would be. The current ICBM employed by the U.S. is the LGM-30 Minuteman-III, which can pack 3 warheads that each have a 170 kiloton explosive yield. Even being generous, and saying Kang could detonate all 405 that are currently in service, and all of them had 3 warheads, that’s “only” 206.55 megatons of explosive force. The asteroid that caused the K-T extinction was estimated at 100 trillion tons of TNT. That comes out to 100 million megatons, over '''''484 thousand times more powerful'''''. All the nukes detonating would be bad news for the U.S., but it wouldn’t be near enough to impact the world.

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** You are 'vastly' ''vastly'' overestimating how powerful the detonations would be. The current ICBM employed by the U.S. is the LGM-30 Minuteman-III, which can pack 3 warheads that each have a 170 kiloton explosive yield. Even being generous, and saying Kang could detonate all 405 that are currently in service, and all of them had 3 warheads, that’s “only” 206.55 megatons of explosive force. The asteroid that caused the K-T extinction was estimated at 100 trillion tons of TNT. That comes out to 100 million megatons, over '''''484 thousand times more powerful'''''. All the nukes detonating would be bad news for the U.S., but it wouldn’t be near enough to impact the world.
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** You are vastly overestimating how powerful the detonations would be. The current ICBM employed by the U.S. is the LGM-30 Minuteman-III, which can pack 3 warheads that each have a 170 kiloton explosive yield. Even being generous, and saying Kang could detonate all 405, and all of them had 3 warheads, that’s “only” 206.55 megatons of explosive force. The asteroid that caused the K-T extinction was estimated at 100 trillion tons of TNT. That comes out to 100 million megatons, over 484 thousand times more powerful. All the nukes detonating would be bad news for the U.S., but it wouldn’t be near enough to impact the world.

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** You are vastly 'vastly' overestimating how powerful the detonations would be. The current ICBM employed by the U.S. is the LGM-30 Minuteman-III, which can pack 3 warheads that each have a 170 kiloton explosive yield. Even being generous, and saying Kang could detonate all 405, 405 that are currently in service, and all of them had 3 warheads, that’s “only” 206.55 megatons of explosive force. The asteroid that caused the K-T extinction was estimated at 100 trillion tons of TNT. That comes out to 100 million megatons, over 484 '''''484 thousand times more powerful.powerful'''''. All the nukes detonating would be bad news for the U.S., but it wouldn’t be near enough to impact the world.
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** You are vastly overestimating how powerful the detonations would be. The current ICBM employed by the U.S. is the LGM-30 Minuteman-III, which can pack 3 warheads that each have a 170 kiloton explosive yield. Even being generous, and saying Kang could detonate all 405, and all of them had 3 warheads, that’s “only” 1.215 megatons of explosive force. The asteroid that caused the K-T extinction was estimated at 100 trillion tons of TNT. That comes out to 100 million megatons, over 82 thousand times more powerful. All the nukes detonating would be bad news for the U.S., but it wouldn’t be near enough to impact the world.

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** You are vastly overestimating how powerful the detonations would be. The current ICBM employed by the U.S. is the LGM-30 Minuteman-III, which can pack 3 warheads that each have a 170 kiloton explosive yield. Even being generous, and saying Kang could detonate all 405, and all of them had 3 warheads, that’s “only” 1.215 206.55 megatons of explosive force. The asteroid that caused the K-T extinction was estimated at 100 trillion tons of TNT. That comes out to 100 million megatons, over 82 484 thousand times more powerful. All the nukes detonating would be bad news for the U.S., but it wouldn’t be near enough to impact the world.

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* So what exactly was Kangs plan after setting off all the Nukes in the US? Like that many atomic explosions is liable to kick up enough dirt and detritus to block out the sun worldwide for a good long while, It would be like the KT Extinction event that wiped out the Dinosaurs, only worse because there would also be countless tons of fallout in the atmosphere that would spread worldwide as well. Basically he's dooming the entire human race, like sure North Korea would be open to conquer the South but fat lot of good that is when the sun is blotted out by radioactive debris, all the world's vegetation dies, and everyone on the planet develops radiation sickness from the global fallout

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* So what exactly was Kangs plan after setting off all the Nukes in the US? Like that many atomic explosions is liable to kick up enough dirt and detritus to block out the sun worldwide for a good long while, It would be like the KT Extinction event that wiped out the Dinosaurs, only worse because there would also be countless tons of fallout in the atmosphere that would spread worldwide as well. Basically he's dooming the entire human race, like sure North Korea would be open to conquer the South but fat lot of good that is when the sun is blotted out by radioactive debris, all the world's vegetation dies, and everyone on the planet develops radiation sickness from the global falloutfallout.
** You are vastly overestimating how powerful the detonations would be. The current ICBM employed by the U.S. is the LGM-30 Minuteman-III, which can pack 3 warheads that each have a 170 kiloton explosive yield. Even being generous, and saying Kang could detonate all 405, and all of them had 3 warheads, that’s “only” 1.215 megatons of explosive force. The asteroid that caused the K-T extinction was estimated at 100 trillion tons of TNT. That comes out to 100 million megatons, over 82 thousand times more powerful. All the nukes detonating would be bad news for the U.S., but it wouldn’t be near enough to impact the world.
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** They mentioned it earlier: there used to be tunnels in the basement that lead to the PEOC, but they were all sealed. They were blowing the walls to get back to those tunnels.
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* So what exactly was Kangs plan after setting off all the Nukes in the US? Like that many atomic explosions is liable to kick up enough dirt and detritus to block out the sun worldwide for a good long while, It would be like the KT Extinction event that wiped out the Dinosaurs, only worse because there would also be countless tons of fallout in the atmosphere that would spread worldwide as well. Basically he's dooming the entire human race, like

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* So what exactly was Kangs plan after setting off all the Nukes in the US? Like that many atomic explosions is liable to kick up enough dirt and detritus to block out the sun worldwide for a good long while, It would be like the KT Extinction event that wiped out the Dinosaurs, only worse because there would also be countless tons of fallout in the atmosphere that would spread worldwide as well. Basically he's dooming the entire human race, likelike sure North Korea would be open to conquer the South but fat lot of good that is when the sun is blotted out by radioactive debris, all the world's vegetation dies, and everyone on the planet develops radiation sickness from the global fallout
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* What was the point of wiring explosives to the PEOC's walls? The end of the film shows the PEOC's doors still work and can be opened from the inside, so wiring explosives to blow out sections of the wall makes no sense.

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* What was the point of wiring explosives to the PEOC's walls? The end of the film shows the PEOC's doors still work and can be opened from the inside, so wiring explosives to blow out sections of the wall makes no sense.sense.
*So what exactly was Kangs plan after setting off all the Nukes in the US? Like that many atomic explosions is liable to kick up enough dirt and detritus to block out the sun worldwide for a good long while, It would be like the KT Extinction event that wiped out the Dinosaurs, only worse because there would also be countless tons of fallout in the atmosphere that would spread worldwide as well. Basically he's dooming the entire human race, like
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*** Not so much, you see, we've been dealing with Taliban rebels using AR15-patterened rifles, or even M32 grenade launchers. They're crude, but they do work, so it's not much of a stretch that a terrorist group with this kind of funding (and maybe backing) could get one, maybe two examples, and just make their own from materials found around the country. As for the ammunition, they likely made it as well, and for what they were doing, all they'd need is ball rounds and the occasional tracer round. I mean hell, these guys turned a normal C-130 into a pseudo-AC-130 with pilot operated guns, and then used it to open the front door into the white house (and technically back door as well)... I wouldn't put ANYTHING past these guys.

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*** Not so much, you see, we've been dealing with Taliban rebels using AR15-patterened [=AR15=]-patterened rifles, or even M32 grenade launchers. They're crude, but they do work, so it's not much of a stretch that a terrorist group with this kind of funding (and maybe backing) could get one, maybe two examples, and just make their own from materials found around the country. As for the ammunition, they likely made it as well, and for what they were doing, all they'd need is ball rounds and the occasional tracer round. I mean hell, these guys turned a normal C-130 into a pseudo-AC-130 with pilot operated guns, and then used it to open the front door into the white house (and technically back door as well)... I wouldn't put ANYTHING past these guys.



** Easy. It takes several minutes to get from the front door to the elevator to the PEOC, compare that to the 5 seconds it would take someone with an MP5 to just kill everyone in the room. This is something that real hostage situations have. Yes, you have a half dozen hostage takers holding a dozen or so people, and the dozens of SWAT officers outside could easily storm the place and take out all of the terrorists through sheer weight of numbers, but if they do that, the terrorists may execute all of the hostages, and possibly even escape. In an ideal world, the government in question would rather that at least some of the terrorists survive to be questioned in order to prevent future attacks, and there's nothing worse for a government than having to explain to the media why they weren't able to save the hostages in the first place. If this happens multiple times, you can bet money that that government may become unstable as people start thinking that their government can't protect them.

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** Easy. It takes several minutes to get from the front door to the elevator to the PEOC, compare that to the 5 seconds it would take someone with an MP5 [=MP5=] to just kill everyone in the room. This is something that real hostage situations have. Yes, you have a half dozen hostage takers holding a dozen or so people, and the dozens of SWAT officers outside could easily storm the place and take out all of the terrorists through sheer weight of numbers, but if they do that, the terrorists may execute all of the hostages, and possibly even escape. In an ideal world, the government in question would rather that at least some of the terrorists survive to be questioned in order to prevent future attacks, and there's nothing worse for a government than having to explain to the media why they weren't able to save the hostages in the first place. If this happens multiple times, you can bet money that that government may become unstable as people start thinking that their government can't protect them.

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** Easy. It takes several minutes to get from the front door to the elevator to the PEOC, compare that to the 5 seconds it would take someone with an MP5 to just kill everyone in the room. This is something that real hostage situations have. Yes, you have a half dozen hostage takers holding a dozen or so people, and the dozens of SWAT officers outside could easily storm the place and take out all of the terrorists through sheer weight of numbers, but if they do that, the terrorists may execute all of the hostages, and possibly even escape. In an ideal world, the government in question would rather that at least some of the terrorists survive to be questioned in order to prevent future attacks, and there's nothing worse for a government than having to explain to the media why they weren't able to save the hostages in the first place. If this happens multiple times, you can bet money that that government may become unstable as people start thinking that their government can't protect them.
** Oh, and let's not forget that the White House was lined with explosives, so if they did attempt entry, half the entry team would be blown to bits (along with the White House itself most likely.)
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** One thing to remember is that this set TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture with Obama shown as a past President. It's not that implausible that a previous President in the interim (or even the current one), had those batteries removed at some point for some odd reason (that, or in this films universe they were never installed to begin with). Yes, it seems unlikely to happen in the real world given past events, but remember that film makers and writers have gotten visits from the CIA and such for getting things ''too'' right in the past. Look at Red Dawn, Dr. Strangeglove, and The Hunt for Red October for some examples.
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*** Problem with that, the NK government has 0 credibility and nobody would really believe they had nothing to do with the terrorist strike.
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** Declaring war over the actions of a rogue group - while not entirely without precedent - is not something the US is likely to do. Unlike the Middle East, there's nothing except revenge to be gained by going to war.
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** Just wondering: why would there not be some way for authorized personnel (e.g. the Joint Chiefs of Staff acting as a group) to disable Cerberus if one or more code-holders has been captured, such as happens in this movie?
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* So the movie is an act of war, right? Whether they were affiliated with North Korea or not they still held the South Korean and American presidents hostage and caused several dozen deaths. There has to be a ''casus belli'' there for the 38th Parallel to no longer apply.

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* So the movie is an act of war, right? Whether they were affiliated with North Korea or not they still held the South Korean and American presidents hostage and caused several dozen deaths. There has to be a ''casus belli'' there for the 38th Parallel to no longer apply.apply.

* What was the point of wiring explosives to the PEOC's walls? The end of the film shows the PEOC's doors still work and can be opened from the inside, so wiring explosives to blow out sections of the wall makes no sense.
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** This is acknowledged when Banning is told to prioritise getting Connor to safety; they are aware that the president can't hold out indefinitely, but he will hold out for as long as possible, and torturing Connor was the only guaranteed way they had to get through to him.




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*** This is partly acknowledged; emphasis is placed on the fact that they only had to brute-force ''one'' of the three codes, which would be easier to manage without tripping the warning systems once they had the other two codes as examples of what wouldn't trip it.



** Also it was a degree of redemption on Forbes part. He had nothing to gain by lying he was going to die soon regardless, but he choice to help Banning instead of reporting what really happened.

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** Also it was a degree of redemption on Forbes Forbes' part. He had nothing to gain by lying he was going to die soon regardless, but he choice chose to help Banning instead of reporting what really happened.
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** Also it was a degree of redemption on Forbes part. He had nothing to gain by lying he was going to die soon regardless, but he choice to help Banning instead of reporting what really happened.

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** Also it was a degree of redemption on Forbes part. He had nothing to gain by lying he was going to die soon regardless, but he choice to help Banning instead of reporting what really happened.happened.

* So the movie is an act of war, right? Whether they were affiliated with North Korea or not they still held the South Korean and American presidents hostage and caused several dozen deaths. There has to be a ''casus belli'' there for the 38th Parallel to no longer apply.
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** 1) The North Koreans ''claim'' they are not affiliated with them, but that doesn't make it so. Regardless, if the CERBERUS plan worked, North Korea would be safe to invade regardless of whether they were working together or not, and frankly Kang likely doesn't need or expect sovereign backup either from the North or anyone else; 2) He doesn't care if they give into their demands or not- he's ''happy'' when they do, but it doesn't matter on his end if they don't since either way, America is doomed, and the 7th fleet won't be that much use whether they are in position or not. The military may indeed have been prepared to retake at a moments notice, but he knows they won't because they will and do want to keep the hostages alive and can't break into the command room regardless without risking him killing them first; 3) It wasn't luck, because the South Koreans were there to discuss serious security matters regarding North Korea military manoeuvres (which means they probably ''were'' involved despite their protests, as this prompts the meeting) so it is logical that both the Secretary of Defence and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs would be present given the situation. The fact that they can brute force them at all means they have a (risky) backup plan if they weren't present, which is unlikely; 4) It did, and we see them planning to, but Kang tells them to back off or he starts killing hostages. Yes, if he killed them all then he'd lose his edge, but that's a risk every hostage taker takes- and given his hostage was the President, good chance they'd back off. Obviously his EvilPlan relies on several gambles, but that doesn't mean it was illogical.
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* As much as it would be of course very bad to lose the US President, how important is keeping him alive compared to having the UsefulNotes/KoreanWar from reignite by agreeing to the terrorists' demands, which could easily escalate to a nuclear exchange? Not to mention [[spoiler: [[ApocalypseHow what would happen if Cerberus was activated]]]]...

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* As much as it would be of course very bad to lose the US President, how important is keeping him alive compared to having the UsefulNotes/KoreanWar from reignite reigniting by agreeing to the terrorists' demands, which could easily escalate to a nuclear exchange? Not to mention [[spoiler: [[ApocalypseHow what would happen if Cerberus was activated]]]]...



** Its implied throughout the movie that the Speaker thinks that the situation can be resolved with an assault on the White House. He doesn't think that the Cerberus protocol could be brute-forced, and that if they take out Kang they can just turn the Seventh Fleet and the 2nd ID back around. It takes time for a fleet and 28,000 troops to pick up and move. You're ''not'' going to get a force that entrenched to move itself completely from the Korean DMZ at the drop of a hat. It isn't until the very end that they realize the nuclear arsenal is actually in serious threat of subversion.

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** Its It's implied throughout the movie that the Speaker thinks that the situation can be resolved with an assault on the White House. He doesn't think that the Cerberus protocol could be brute-forced, and that if they take out Kang they can just turn the Seventh Fleet and the 2nd ID back around. It takes time for a fleet and 28,000 troops to pick up and move. You're ''not'' going to get a force that entrenched to move itself completely from the Korean DMZ at the drop of a hat. It isn't until the very end that they realize the nuclear arsenal is actually in serious threat of subversion.
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** Kang's objective wasn't to get the US to leave South Korea in the first place, it was to gain control of the CERBERUS system and then use that control over the nuclear arsenal to completely devastate the US.




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** Presumably, Kang weaseled his way into the SK PM's security detail and then slowly began putting in his own people as a means of planning the attack. It was obviously very calculated and there was a lot of setup involved, after all.
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** It was a resource that didn't wind up being useful. It's like packing an umbrella in case it rains. It might not be helpful, but you're going to want to have it in case it does.

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** It was a resource that didn't wind up being useful. It's like packing an umbrella in case it rains. It might not be helpful, but you're going to want to have it in case it does.does.
** Also it was a degree of redemption on Forbes part. He had nothing to gain by lying he was going to die soon regardless, but he choice to help Banning instead of reporting what really happened.

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** And fourth, ''the system can be brute-forced''. Even some of the most basic security systems - as in the password on someone's email account or a lock screen on someone's smartphone - will lock after three wrong attempts. Yet this super-secret terminal that's so important that it's isolated from outside tampering like that will just sit there and accept incorrect passcodes until it gets the right one? Did some programmer get a screwdriver lodged in his skull or something when he was writing this software?



*** Going off of the mere physics involved, that C-130 would have to be severely reinforced in order to withstand the recoil from mounted Vulcans, and second, they probably did have gunners in the plane. Next, the ammunition for the Vulcans must be in the range of around 5000-6000 rounds, given the strafing run and civillian attack. Add in the AC-130s trademark Angel Flares, and that is a serious amount of weight for that plane. Add in the fuel needed and it is a very heavily armed (and expensive) way of getting in the front door.

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*** Going off of the mere physics involved, that C-130 would have to be severely reinforced in order to withstand the recoil from mounted Vulcans, and second, they probably did have gunners in the plane. Next, the ammunition for the Vulcans must be in the range of around 5000-6000 rounds, given the strafing run and civillian civilian attack. Add in the AC-130s trademark Angel Flares, and that is a serious amount of weight for that plane. Add in the fuel needed and it is a very heavily armed (and expensive) way of getting in the front door.


















* Does the South Korean Government not perform background checks on their agents? Like, literally ALL OF THEM were with Kang.
* What was the point of Forbes telling Kang Banning was dead when Banning managed to do precisely jack shit before showing Kang that he was alive anyway, ruining any element of surprise?

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* Does the South Korean Government not perform background checks on their agents? Like, literally ALL OF THEM were with Kang.
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* What was the point of Forbes telling Kang Banning was dead when Banning managed to do precisely jack shit before showing Kang that he was alive anyway, ruining any element of surprise?surprise?
** It was a resource that didn't wind up being useful. It's like packing an umbrella in case it rains. It might not be helpful, but you're going to want to have it in case it does.
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* What was the point of Forbes telling Kang Banning was dead when Banning managed to do precisely jack shit before showing Kang that he was alive anyway, running any element of surprise?

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* What was the point of Forbes telling Kang Banning was dead when Banning managed to do precisely jack shit before showing Kang that he was alive anyway, running ruining any element of surprise?
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* How was there no way to disconnect Cerberus? No line that could be cut, no satellite dish that could be destroyed? Assuming it was a dish and it couldn't be hit because of the air defenses, couldn't they just destroy the satellite itself?

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* How was there no way to disconnect Cerberus? No line that could be cut, no satellite dish that could be destroyed? Assuming it was a dish and it couldn't be hit because of the air defenses, couldn't they just destroy the satellite itself?itself?
* So Kang's plan was to fake his and Ben Asher's death to escape, keeping Ben as insurance. But wouldn't Morgan Freeman just go, "Okay, the President's dead anyway, send the troops back into South Korea."?
* Does the South Korean Government not perform background checks on their agents? Like, literally ALL OF THEM were with Kang.
* What was the point of Forbes telling Kang Banning was dead when Banning managed to do precisely jack shit before showing Kang that he was alive anyway, running any element of surprise?

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