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** Why would it? At basically every other door people have given excuses for why they want to enter one door or another. No one questions the other characters when they say they want a door because their bracelet number or to avoid going with another person.
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*** No, it answers Ace's question. Though many things in this game can be (and is, in the interviews) explained by that they are just reconstructed from how Akane saw/heard them in the future or other timelines. She, well, had a canon to follow. Practice made perfect, words never changed, and it became a recording. But there could be problems with recording anyways, and I think it were just a random Akane's worker - she had an organization all to herself and used plenty of help in getting the true ending. It does state that it's Zero speaking, but it also identifies as a captain of a ship, which surely is not true.
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*** No, it answers Ace's question. Though many things in this game can be (and is, in the interviews) explained by that they are just reconstructed from how Akane saw/heard them in the future or other timelines. She, well, had a canon to follow. Practice made perfect, words never changed, follow and it became a recording. But there could be problems with recording anyways, and I think it were just a random Akane's worker - she had an organization all to herself and used plenty of help in getting the true ending. It does state that it's Zero speaking, but it also identifies as a captain of a ship, which surely is not true.
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*** In that case, why doesn't the bracelet detach automatically? (Remember, he had to crush his hand to slip it out in the Safe Ending.) Is it programmed differently than the others?
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*** In that case, why doesn't the bracelet detach automatically? (Remember, he had to crush his hand to slip it out in the Safe Ending.) Is it programmed differently than the others?others?
* So to open door q you need only to "solve the puzzle" and have bracelets with you that would make the answer. And after that everyone you came with can leave, without counting and stuff? Well, yes, I guess it's stupid, but bugged me for a while.
* So to open door q you need only to "solve the puzzle" and have bracelets with you that would make the answer. And after that everyone you came with can leave, without counting and stuff? Well, yes, I guess it's stupid, but bugged me for a while.
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** That's a problem I have too, which is why I prefer the StableTimeLoop theory. Akane never died, in any reality - she and Santa lied about it, and Seven and Snake were either brainwashed (semi-WordOfGod in the case of Seven) or lied as well. But she still had to set everything up to complete the loop, and that involved being there herself.* What would June and Santa have done if someone (not Ace or the 9th man) entered a numbered door and didn't deactivate their watches, and it was revealed that there was no detonator? Just like that, you'd remove an element of danger, weaken the morphogenetic field, and possibly prevent Junpei from saving June's life.
** They would have been disappointed. However, that possibility could only happen if someone decided to make the potentially-fatal experiment of not deactivating. And if the bombs were real and someone made that same experiment, the outcome would be a lot worse. The chance of weakening the field is better than the chance of blowing up an innocent person, no?
** Actually, that's simple - they just wouldn't. They saw the 9th man blow up, and to them, that guarantees that the same will happen to them. Under that kind of pressure, all you're going to do is think about how you're going to survive - instinct. Nobody's even going to consider the possibility that it was all set up and that in fact their bracelets weren't detonators. Besides, even if they did, would -you- be willing to take that risk?
** There's also the matter of how willing people are to follow orders, especially if there's some particular motivator in place: Junpei even notices that at one point it felt a lot longer than 81 seconds before he deactivated his bracelet, but assumes that he's wrong because of how willing he is to believe that the rules of the game are being followed.
** They would have been disappointed. However, that possibility could only happen if someone decided to make the potentially-fatal experiment of not deactivating. And if the bombs were real and someone made that same experiment, the outcome would be a lot worse. The chance of weakening the field is better than the chance of blowing up an innocent person, no?
** Actually, that's simple - they just wouldn't. They saw the 9th man blow up, and to them, that guarantees that the same will happen to them. Under that kind of pressure, all you're going to do is think about how you're going to survive - instinct. Nobody's even going to consider the possibility that it was all set up and that in fact their bracelets weren't detonators. Besides, even if they did, would -you- be willing to take that risk?
** There's also the matter of how willing people are to follow orders, especially if there's some particular motivator in place: Junpei even notices that at one point it felt a lot longer than 81 seconds before he deactivated his bracelet, but assumes that he's wrong because of how willing he is to believe that the rules of the game are being followed.
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** That's a problem I have too, which is why I prefer the StableTimeLoop theory. Akane never died, in any reality - she and Santa lied about it, and Seven and Snake were either brainwashed (semi-WordOfGod in the case of Seven) or lied as well. But she still had to set everything up to complete the loop, and that involved being there herself.* What would June and Santa have done if someone (not Ace or the 9th man) entered a numbered door and didn't deactivate their watches, and it was revealed that there was no detonator? Just like that, you'd remove an element of danger, weaken the morphogenetic field, and possibly prevent Junpei from saving June's life.
** They would have been disappointed. However, that possibility could only happen if someone decided to make the potentially-fatal experiment of not deactivating. And if the bombs were real and someone made that same experiment, the outcome would be a lot worse. The chance of weakening the field is better than the chance of blowing up an innocent person, no?
** Actually, that's simple - they just wouldn't. They saw the 9th man blow up, and to them, that guarantees that the same will happen to them. Under that kind of pressure, all you're going to do is think about how you're going to survive - instinct. Nobody's even going to consider the possibility that it was all set up and that in fact their bracelets weren't detonators. Besides, even if they did, would -you- be willing to take that risk?
** There's also the matter of how willing people are to follow orders, especially if there's some particular motivator in place: Junpei even notices that at one point it felt a lot longer than 81 seconds before he deactivated his bracelet, but assumes that he's wrong because of how willing he is to believe that the rules of the game are being followed.
** They would have been disappointed. However, that possibility could only happen if someone decided to make the potentially-fatal experiment of not deactivating. And if the bombs were real and someone made that same experiment, the outcome would be a lot worse. The chance of weakening the field is better than the chance of blowing up an innocent person, no?
** Actually, that's simple - they just wouldn't. They saw the 9th man blow up, and to them, that guarantees that the same will happen to them. Under that kind of pressure, all you're going to do is think about how you're going to survive - instinct. Nobody's even going to consider the possibility that it was all set up and that in fact their bracelets weren't detonators. Besides, even if they did, would -you- be willing to take that risk?
** There's also the matter of how willing people are to follow orders, especially if there's some particular motivator in place: Junpei even notices that at one point it felt a lot longer than 81 seconds before he deactivated his bracelet, but assumes that he's wrong because of how willing he is to believe that the rules of the game are being followed.
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** There was a submarine accessible, and even Ace helped June to be able to get out when she was in a room alone, you know.
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*** The person in the gas mask actually were Akane, it's even shown in the game, her face switches with the gas mask of somewhat similar shape. But she obviously wasn't dragging sleeping bodies around by herself. I thought it was interesting how all the characters state they were kidnapped at midnight - June's got some fast ways. Or some of them slept quite a time, though it's doutful she waited for that hour just to get a person or two for one day.
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*** The person in the gas mask actually were was Akane, it's even shown in the game, her face switches with the gas mask of somewhat similar shape. But she obviously wasn't dragging sleeping bodies around by herself. I thought it was interesting how all the characters state they were kidnapped at midnight - June's got some fast ways. Or some of them slept quite a time, though it's doutful she waited for that hour just to get a person or two for one day.
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*** No, it answers Ace's question. Though many things in this game can be (and is, in the interviews) explained by that they are just reconstructed from how Akane saw/heard them in the future or other timelines. Practice made perfect, words never changed, and it became a recording. But I think it were just a random Akane's worker - she had an organization all to herself and used plenty of help in getting the true ending.
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*** No, it answers Ace's question. Though many things in this game can be (and is, in the interviews) explained by that they are just reconstructed from how Akane saw/heard them in the future or other timelines. She, well, had a canon to follow. Practice made perfect, words never changed, and it became a recording. But there could be problems with recording anyways, and I think it were just a random Akane's worker - she had an organization all to herself and used plenty of help in getting the true ending.ending. It does state that it's Zero speaking, but it also identifies as a captain of a ship, which surely is not true.
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*** The person in the gas mask actually were Akane, it's even shown in the game, her face switches with the gas mask of somewhat similar shape. But she obviously wasn't dragging sleeping bodies around by herself. I thought it was interesting how all the characters state they were kidnapped at midnight - June's got some fast ways. Or some of them slept quite a time, though it's doutful she waited for that hour just to get a person or two for one day.
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*** No, it answers Ace's question. Though many things in this game can be (and is, in the interviews) explained by that they are just reconstructed from how Akane saw/heard them in future or other timelines. Practice made perfect, words never changed, and it became a recording. But I think it were just a random Akane's worker - she had an organization all to herself and used plenty of help in getting the true ending.
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*** No, it answers Ace's question. Though many things in this game can be (and is, in the interviews) explained by that they are just reconstructed from how Akane saw/heard them in the future or other timelines. Practice made perfect, words never changed, and it became a recording. But I think it were just a random Akane's worker - she had an organization all to herself and used plenty of help in getting the true ending.
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***No, it answers Ace's question. Though many things in this game can be (and is, in the interviews) explained by that they are just reconstructed from how Akane saw/heard them in future or other timelines. Practice made perfect, words never changed, and it became a recording. But I think it were just a random Akane's worker - she had an organization all to herself and used plenty of help in getting the true ending.
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*** Simple deduction I guess? After all, what are the odds that Zero would grab some completely unrelated blind guy & his sister to use in the second Nonary Game.
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** Correct. Even Snake realized that the bracelet would have no effect on him.
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** Correct. Even Snake realized that the bracelet would have no effect on him.him.
*** In that case, why doesn't the bracelet detach automatically? (Remember, he had to crush his hand to slip it out in the Safe Ending.) Is it programmed differently than the others?
*** In that case, why doesn't the bracelet detach automatically? (Remember, he had to crush his hand to slip it out in the Safe Ending.) Is it programmed differently than the others?
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* How do the bracelets detect that their user is dead? The obvious answer would be that they detect someone's pulse, but what about Snake? Considering his prosthetic arm has no pulse, wouldn't the bracelet fail to remain attached to his arm?
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* How do the bracelets detect that their user is dead? The obvious answer would be that they detect someone's pulse, but what about Snake? Considering his prosthetic arm has no pulse, wouldn't the bracelet fail to remain attached to his arm?arm?
** Correct. Even Snake realized that the bracelet would have no effect on him.
** Correct. Even Snake realized that the bracelet would have no effect on him.
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* During the folded-paper vote, Ace asks Junpei if he wants to know why he chose door [1]. Considering his true reasons for doing so, wouldn't he raise suspicion by doing so, even if he came up with another excuse?
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* During the folded-paper vote, Ace asks Junpei if he wants to know why he chose door [1]. Considering his true reasons for doing so, wouldn't he raise suspicion by doing so, even if he came up with another excuse?excuse?
* How do the bracelets detect that their user is dead? The obvious answer would be that they detect someone's pulse, but what about Snake? Considering his prosthetic arm has no pulse, wouldn't the bracelet fail to remain attached to his arm?
* How do the bracelets detect that their user is dead? The obvious answer would be that they detect someone's pulse, but what about Snake? Considering his prosthetic arm has no pulse, wouldn't the bracelet fail to remain attached to his arm?
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** Zero had kidnapped all of the ringleaders of the Nonary game. It isn't much of a stretch to assume she got decisive evidence and planted it inside the car Junpei's team won for participating. And Cradle was only able to hush up the case, presumably avoiding suspicion in this action with the guise of "The children were kidnapped from our pharmacy by a terrorist group; the location is only incidental. We don't want any negative publicity, so..." With a group of witnesses and evidence, there's no reason they would be able to cover it up.
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** Zero had kidnapped all of the ringleaders of the Nonary game. It isn't much of a stretch to assume she got decisive evidence and planted it inside the car Junpei's team won for participating. And Cradle was only able to hush up the case, presumably avoiding suspicion in this action with the guise of "The children were kidnapped from our pharmacy by a terrorist group; the location is only incidental. We don't want any negative publicity, so..." With a group of witnesses and evidence, there's no reason they would be able to cover it up.up.
* During the folded-paper vote, Ace asks Junpei if he wants to know why he chose door [1]. Considering his true reasons for doing so, wouldn't he raise suspicion by doing so, even if he came up with another excuse?
* During the folded-paper vote, Ace asks Junpei if he wants to know why he chose door [1]. Considering his true reasons for doing so, wouldn't he raise suspicion by doing so, even if he came up with another excuse?
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** Zero had kidnapped all of the ringleaders of the Nonary game. It isn't much of a stretch to assume she got decisive evidence and planted it inside the car Junpei's team won for participating. And Cradle was only able to hush up the case, presumably avoiding suspicion in this action with the guise of "The children were kidnapped from our pharmacy by a terrorist group; the location is only incidental." With a group of witnesses and evidence, there's no reason they would be able to cover it up.
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** Zero had kidnapped all of the ringleaders of the Nonary game. It isn't much of a stretch to assume she got decisive evidence and planted it inside the car Junpei's team won for participating. And Cradle was only able to hush up the case, presumably avoiding suspicion in this action with the guise of "The children were kidnapped from our pharmacy by a terrorist group; the location is only incidental. We don't want any negative publicity, so..." With a group of witnesses and evidence, there's no reason they would be able to cover it up.
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** A bigger question: how did Ace recognize Snake as a former participant in the Nonary Game at all?
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*** Ye-up. Don't underestimate her skills, this is the girl who masterminded the entire Nonary Game and even directed her plan from the front lines without drawing the slightest bit of suspicion to herself.
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*** This. It now reads 1862. I didn't know Besse Cooper liked these games so much...
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* How exactly are they supposed to punish Gentarou Hongou in the True Ending? Admittedly he seems to have given up but there's nothing guaranteeing that anyone would believe his story. Even if they did, if his company could force the Japanese police to cover it up what's to stop them from doing it again?
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* How exactly are they supposed to punish Gentarou Hongou in the True Ending? Admittedly he seems to have given up but there's nothing guaranteeing that anyone would believe his story. Even if they did, if his company could force the Japanese police to cover it up what's to stop them from doing it again?again?
** Zero had kidnapped all of the ringleaders of the Nonary game. It isn't much of a stretch to assume she got decisive evidence and planted it inside the car Junpei's team won for participating. And Cradle was only able to hush up the case, presumably avoiding suspicion in this action with the guise of "The children were kidnapped from our pharmacy by a terrorist group; the location is only incidental." With a group of witnesses and evidence, there's no reason they would be able to cover it up.
** Zero had kidnapped all of the ringleaders of the Nonary game. It isn't much of a stretch to assume she got decisive evidence and planted it inside the car Junpei's team won for participating. And Cradle was only able to hush up the case, presumably avoiding suspicion in this action with the guise of "The children were kidnapped from our pharmacy by a terrorist group; the location is only incidental." With a group of witnesses and evidence, there's no reason they would be able to cover it up.
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*** In real life Seven's testimony, the statements of the children, the shipping records and the fact that it's [[{{Understatement}} a little]] hard to cover up a giant ship getting blown up close to land would at least get an investigation. However remember that this is a game. If there's one thing we know about the police in games it's that the only ones who will ever actually do their jobs are the most [[CowboyCop reckless, wild cops]] possible.
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*** How did she sneak out? She somehow managed to get through the room and the door with no one noticing anything?
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** The game makes it a bit ambiguous as to whether or not Akane actually died in the past, given that the only eyewitnesses were Santa (in league with her), Snake (blind and thus potentially mistaken), and Seven (who gave his account of the events after recovering from amnesia, suggesting he remembered incorrectly). If that's the case, it could be that it works like changing the flow of time in HarryPotter, that there is no "first time around". In the minutes before Akane burns, she has a vision of herself setting up the second game, which leads to young Akane seeing the answer to the puzzle in front of her. Akane understands that to keep her past self alive, she must arrange for the events of the second Nonary Game when she grows up. This is why some of the details of the second game seem a bit off. WordOfGod is that Akane based the entire plan solely on what she saw as a child.
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** The game makes it a bit ambiguous as to whether or not Akane actually died in the past, given that the only eyewitnesses were Santa (in league with her), Snake (blind and thus potentially mistaken), and Seven (who gave his account of the events after recovering from amnesia, suggesting he remembered incorrectly). If that's the case, it could be that it works like changing the flow of time in HarryPotter, that there is no "first time around". In the minutes before Akane burns, she has a vision of herself setting up the second game, which leads to young Akane seeing the answer to the puzzle in front of her. Akane understands that to keep her past self alive, she must arrange for the events of the second Nonary Game when she grows up. This is why some of the details of the second game seem a bit off. WordOfGod is that Akane based the entire plan solely on what she saw as a child.child.
* How exactly are they supposed to punish Gentarou Hongou in the True Ending? Admittedly he seems to have given up but there's nothing guaranteeing that anyone would believe his story. Even if they did, if his company could force the Japanese police to cover it up what's to stop them from doing it again?
* How exactly are they supposed to punish Gentarou Hongou in the True Ending? Admittedly he seems to have given up but there's nothing guaranteeing that anyone would believe his story. Even if they did, if his company could force the Japanese police to cover it up what's to stop them from doing it again?
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* Where did June disappear to when they mentioned Akane was dead in the incinerator? Apparently, according to belief, that was just a mental projection of herself from 9 years ago, but that still makes no sense, seeing as how the Akane in the Nonary Game 9 years ago doesn't seem to have any clue that she could do anything of the sort. Furthermore, how did she have a morphic resonance with Junpei instead of Santa, her brother? Or did she have a connection to both of them? How was Akane able to plan the Nonary Game with Santa if she's been dead for 9 years? Who was talking over the speaker when June was with everybody? Where did Santa and Ace go after going through the incinerator door? Why did they find Ace and not Santa and June? How come the news just forgot two of the missing kids? Forgive me for having so many questions, but I am more confused than Lotus is by the end.
** I share a lot of your questions, but I'll answer what I can. I would guess that June has morphic resonance with both Santa and Junpei. The voice over the speaker was probably a recording. (Barring that, they forced Musashidou to deliver the message?) For the 16-18 kidnapped kids discrepancy, it is because Santa and June were orphans and were not reported missing by anybody. :) Hope that helps.
*** Here we go. Alright, June is very real in the present, not a projection. Akane was connected to Junpei because he was her best friend before the incident 9 years ago. She was never dead, because she was saved, hence why she currently exists. The speaker was a recording. After going through the incinerator door, Ace remains there, and June and Santa are there at first. However, Santa and June leave shortly after to escape. As for the news...it happens sometimes, I dunno.
** I share a lot of your questions, but I'll answer what I can. I would guess that June has morphic resonance with both Santa and Junpei. The voice over the speaker was probably a recording. (Barring that, they forced Musashidou to deliver the message?) For the 16-18 kidnapped kids discrepancy, it is because Santa and June were orphans and were not reported missing by anybody. :) Hope that helps.
*** Here we go. Alright, June is very real in the present, not a projection. Akane was connected to Junpei because he was her best friend before the incident 9 years ago. She was never dead, because she was saved, hence why she currently exists. The speaker was a recording. After going through the incinerator door, Ace remains there, and June and Santa are there at first. However, Santa and June leave shortly after to escape. As for the news...it happens sometimes, I dunno.
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* Where did June disappear to when they mentioned Akane was dead in the incinerator? Apparently, according to belief, that was just a mental projection of herself from 9 years ago, but that still makes no sense, seeing as how the Akane in the Nonary Game 9 years ago doesn't seem to have any clue that she could do anything incinerator?
** June simply snuck out of thesort. Furthermore, how incinerator when no-one was looking. It's as simple as that.
* How did she have a morphic resonance with Junpei instead of Santa, her brother? Or did she have a connection to both ofthem? them?
** Akane was ''supposed'' to have formed a morphic resonance with Aoi, but couldn't because she was mistakenly placed in the wrong group. A key requirement for morphic resonance is that both the transmitter and the receiver have to going through the exact same experiences, and Akane couldn't do that considering Aoi was standing next to her. However, there was ''one'' other receiver with whom Akane shared a strong bond and who ''was'' in the exact same situation as her: Junpei, nine years in the future.
* How was Akane able to plan the Nonary Game with Santa if she's been dead for 9years? years?
** Akane never died. She formed a morphic resonance with Junpei at the end of her Nonary Game and that saved her life. Anyone who says otherwise is collaborating with Akane and Aoi.
* Who was talking over the speaker when June was witheverybody? everybody?
** The simplest explanation is that the voice over the speaker was a recording.
* Where did Santa and Ace go after going through the incinerator door? Why did they find Ace and not Santa and June? How come the news just forgot two of the missing kids? Forgive me for having so many questions, but I am more confused than Lotus is by the end.
**I share a lot of your questions, but I'll answer what I can. I would guess that June has morphic resonance with both Santa and Junpei. The voice over the speaker was probably a recording. (Barring that, they forced Musashidou to deliver the message?) For the 16-18 kidnapped kids discrepancy, it is because Santa and June were orphans and were not reported missing by anybody. :) Hope that helps.
*** Here we go. Alright, June is very real in the present, not a projection. Akane was connected to Junpei because he was her best friend before the incident 9 years ago. She was never dead, because she was saved, hence why she currently exists. The speaker was a recording. After going through the incinerator door, Ace remains there, and June and Santa are there at first. However, Santa and June leave shortly after to escape. As for the news...it happens sometimes, I dunno.helps.
** June simply snuck out of the
* How did she have a morphic resonance with Junpei instead of Santa, her brother? Or did she have a connection to both of
** Akane was ''supposed'' to have formed a morphic resonance with Aoi, but couldn't because she was mistakenly placed in the wrong group. A key requirement for morphic resonance is that both the transmitter and the receiver have to going through the exact same experiences, and Akane couldn't do that considering Aoi was standing next to her. However, there was ''one'' other receiver with whom Akane shared a strong bond and who ''was'' in the exact same situation as her: Junpei, nine years in the future.
* How was Akane able to plan the Nonary Game with Santa if she's been dead for 9
** Akane never died. She formed a morphic resonance with Junpei at the end of her Nonary Game and that saved her life. Anyone who says otherwise is collaborating with Akane and Aoi.
* Who was talking over the speaker when June was with
** The simplest explanation is that the voice over the speaker was a recording.
* Where did Santa and Ace go after going through the incinerator door? Why did they find Ace and not Santa and June? How come the news just forgot two of the missing kids? Forgive me for having so many questions, but I am more confused than Lotus is by the end.
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*** Here we go. Alright, June is very real in the present, not a projection. Akane was connected to Junpei because he was her best friend before the incident 9 years ago. She was never dead, because she was saved, hence why she currently exists. The speaker was a recording. After going through the incinerator door, Ace remains there, and June and Santa are there at first. However, Santa and June leave shortly after to escape. As for the news...it happens sometimes, I dunno.
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** Important to note that Door 9 suggests that the puzzles you had to do in the present are slightly different than the ones 9 years ago.
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** My headcanon runs like this: when Akane escaped the incinerator, she knew that in the future everyone believed she was dead. Therefore, in order to survive she needed to have first died - which is impossible. The grief and horror that most of the other players who knew about her death seem to share seems too real for her to have just said 'all right now everyone needs to pretend that I died or I will die.' So what I figure is that she accessed the morphogenic field in order to change everyone's perceptions of reality, and overlaid their memories of her surviving with a memory of her dying in order to keep herself alive. The thing about doing something like this is that she is also connected to the field, and so implanting the memory of her death would have screwed with her own perceptions of the timeline as well, letting her remember escaping and burning to a crisp at the same time, and theoretically both would feel equally real. Or heck, her memory of dying might have felt more real than her memory of surviving! Having two (or more, as she did play the second nonary game a ''lot'' to try to figure out how to use it to save herself) versions of the timeline chasing around in her head was doubtless disorientating and confusing, and probably resulted in her not being quite sure what the specifics of what she had to do were, once the game started. The setup never varied, and there were a few key elements in the game that never varied either, but as to which doors to go through and suchlike she might no longer have known.
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**Ahh, but 1.1.1861, which would be the earliest date you could possible enter, has a digital root of 9.
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*** [[SincerityMode That is Alice. And that is Clover.]]
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** Clover only gets the note from Musashidou if he is alive when she enters the Captain's quarters, which is only possible in the Knife and Safe ending, because Ace does not go through door 1. This is why she goes missing in the Knife ending; Ace found her first and killed her, just as he does in the Safe ending.
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** Not to mention that given how crazy Clover was, who knows what she defines "got in the way" as. For all we know, June was just unlucky enough to walk in on Clover hacking up Seven or Santa and Clover interpreted as "Oh no, SHE MUST DIE!"
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* Here's a mind screw for you: all endings but true are impossible because Akane (the young one) died nine years ago in them. If she died, how did she set up the second game? Also, she can communicate with all possibilies of the future. However, all endings but True, as I have said, are impossible, and therefore NOT possibilities. How does she gain the information from them if they are, by time paradox, impossible?
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** It could be that Ace was using that as flimsy evidence, to cover up that he really knows that Zero is nearby because [[spoiler:she left him a note asking him to confess and promising to let him out immediately if he did, making it likely that Zero had to be nearby to watch for that.]]
* Here's a mind screw for you: all endings but true are impossible because Akane (the young one) died nine years ago in them. If she died, how did she set up the second game? Also, she can communicate with all possibilies of the future. However, all endings but True, as I have said, are impossible, and therefore NOT possibilities. How does she gain the information from them if they are, by time paradox,impossible?impossible?
** The game makes it a bit ambiguous as to whether or not Akane actually died in the past, given that the only eyewitnesses were Santa (in league with her), Snake (blind and thus potentially mistaken), and Seven (who gave his account of the events after recovering from amnesia, suggesting he remembered incorrectly). If that's the case, it could be that it works like changing the flow of time in HarryPotter, that there is no "first time around". In the minutes before Akane burns, she has a vision of herself setting up the second game, which leads to young Akane seeing the answer to the puzzle in front of her. Akane understands that to keep her past self alive, she must arrange for the events of the second Nonary Game when she grows up. This is why some of the details of the second game seem a bit off. WordOfGod is that Akane based the entire plan solely on what she saw as a child.
* Here's a mind screw for you: all endings but true are impossible because Akane (the young one) died nine years ago in them. If she died, how did she set up the second game? Also, she can communicate with all possibilies of the future. However, all endings but True, as I have said, are impossible, and therefore NOT possibilities. How does she gain the information from them if they are, by time paradox,
** The game makes it a bit ambiguous as to whether or not Akane actually died in the past, given that the only eyewitnesses were Santa (in league with her), Snake (blind and thus potentially mistaken), and Seven (who gave his account of the events after recovering from amnesia, suggesting he remembered incorrectly). If that's the case, it could be that it works like changing the flow of time in HarryPotter, that there is no "first time around". In the minutes before Akane burns, she has a vision of herself setting up the second game, which leads to young Akane seeing the answer to the puzzle in front of her. Akane understands that to keep her past self alive, she must arrange for the events of the second Nonary Game when she grows up. This is why some of the details of the second game seem a bit off. WordOfGod is that Akane based the entire plan solely on what she saw as a child.
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* One of the comprehension questions is "Was Zero still on the ship with them...?" And your options are "Not sure" and "Of course." If you choose the former, Ace berates you because Zero said "this ship." Is that really such perfect proof that Zero was on the ship?
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* One of the comprehension questions is "Was Zero still on the ship with them...?" And your options are "Not sure" and "Of course." If you choose the former, Ace berates you because Zero said "this ship." Is that really such perfect proof that Zero was on the ship?ship?
* Here's a mind screw for you: all endings but true are impossible because Akane (the young one) died nine years ago in them. If she died, how did she set up the second game? Also, she can communicate with all possibilies of the future. However, all endings but True, as I have said, are impossible, and therefore NOT possibilities. How does she gain the information from them if they are, by time paradox, impossible?
* Here's a mind screw for you: all endings but true are impossible because Akane (the young one) died nine years ago in them. If she died, how did she set up the second game? Also, she can communicate with all possibilies of the future. However, all endings but True, as I have said, are impossible, and therefore NOT possibilities. How does she gain the information from them if they are, by time paradox, impossible?
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** Additionally, facial features change a lot in 9 years, and it's easy to change hair colour/style and eye colour with dyeing and contact lenses. That, coupled with the above, makes it entirely possible. Plus, if you woke up on a ship, didn't know how you got there and your life was in immediate peril, would you have time/energy to think about how one of the other players resembles a boy you've met maybe a few times over 9 years ago.
