History Headscratchers / NieR

4th Jan '16 3:10:39 PM yecasux10
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** Maybe he has some subconscious control over it and having his little sister in front of him aging caused him to subconsciously change how he appeared?
4th Feb '15 8:03:25 PM 134340Goat
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* In the ''Replicant'' version of the game, why does Shadowlord seem to grow up the same way as Brother Nier himself? Does his appearance always match that of his Replicant at the time? If he had existed as a Gestalt for over 1,400 years, it seems odd that the 5 year time skip would only then physically age him.
5th Jan '15 3:55:14 AM ProfessorJack
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** Androids are defined by a humanoid appearance. Mr. Data will always remind people "I am an android" instead of a robot. Just assume sufficiently advanced tech that allows them to function as close to humans as possible. Also compare replicants from Blade Runner/DADOES, who are androids that are made from organic material instead of metal and wires.
29th Oct '14 1:36:07 PM Helmar
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** The first generation probably questioned it, but by the time of the game that's just the way things are. Everyone is a [[spoiler:Replicant taken from the data of their respective Gestalt]], so every generation probably looks the same. Having two people who don't age is just one step beyond that so it likely doesn't raise any eyebrows especially with few travelers from foreign areas.


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** From a letter from Nier to Yonah, it's clear at least Seafront is some distance away from the village, enough that he mentions the sight of the ocean and questioning whether she's been eating properly.


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** From ''Grimoir Nier'', there is pact magic in the world, but it's not between Weiss and Nier, it's [[spoiler:between the original humans and the corpse of the Red Dragon. In ''Drakengard'' pacts are based on the exchange of souls; it's the fact that the dragon's corpse is soulless that allows humans to undergo the Gestalt process.]]
29th Jul '14 3:19:26 AM Westrim
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* The infobook. Just...just the infobook. [[spoiler:the Shades being unable to live without the Shadowlord makes no sense. The prologue shows Gestalt!Nier (who ''is'' the Shadowlord) fighting against the Shades, and there is clearly no "Shadowlord" at that point in the timeline, which clearly shows that they are capable of existing without a leader.]]

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* The infobook. Just...just the infobook. [[spoiler:the Shades being unable to live without the Shadowlord makes no sense. The prologue shows Gestalt!Nier (who ''is'' the Shadowlord) fighting against the Shades, and there is clearly no "Shadowlord" at that point in the timeline, which clearly shows that they are capable of existing without a leader.]]
23rd Jun '14 3:23:59 AM matteste
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** To me it seems as they never made a proper pact to begin with, Weiss just hangs around Nier as a follower. Pay attention in the game whenever you use magic and you can see that all of it originates from Weiss, not Nier. Nier simply channels it but doesn't use it.
6th Feb '14 5:13:22 PM Jupiah
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* How is it that no one in the village ever noticed that Devola and Popola never age? Nier even comments at one point that she doesn't look a day older then when they first met, but he doesn't seem too bothered by it for some reason. You'd think that some of the elderly villagers would be a bit more shocked about it though.

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* How is it that no one in the village ever noticed that Devola and Popola never age? Nier even comments at one point that she doesn't look a day older then than when they first met, but he doesn't seem too bothered by it for some reason. You'd think that some of the elderly villagers would be a bit more shocked about it though.




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*Are Devola and Popola really androids? I know they are thousands of years old but every indication is that they are entirely organic. They bleed, they can get drunk, and they apparently even have sex drives (Nier comments once that Devola gets really "friendly" if she drinks even a drop of alcohol).
5th Jan '14 6:23:19 AM Zef
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** There is absolutely nothing to suggest that the "pact" that Nier and Weiss entered is in any way similar to the big-time Drakengard Pacts, let alone the magical science of Emil, Tyrann and Kaine's symbiotic existence, or the ending sacrifice. They probably don't even operate under the same rules of magic. For that matter, the pact between Original Nier and Noir ''itself'' is drastically different from the one with the Replicant and Weiss.
28th Dec '13 5:02:26 PM TastySauce
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* In the beginning of the game NieR makes a pact with Weiss to fight the shades and save Yonah. Which doesn't raise any eyebrows except for the fact that it's presumably a Drakengard pact which changes everything. Pact magic is explicitly a part of Nier's backstory and even helps explain some of game's more cryptic moments such as why [[spoiler: tyrann is able to erase nier from existence to save Kainé. It's just pact magic at work. Emil turning into a transsexual skeleton can also be explained by him pacting with his sister for power.]] The thing is that these two examples are consistent with pact magic in the sense that there's a pact **price**. [[spoiler: Nier forfeits his existence and Emil forfeits his appearance, which is a fitting price for both them.]] However NieR's pact with Weiss doesn't seem to cost him anything. Plot hole much?

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* In the beginning of the game NieR Nier makes a pact with Weiss to fight the shades and save Yonah. Which doesn't raise any eyebrows except for the fact that it's presumably a Drakengard ''Drakengard'' pact which changes everything. Pact magic is explicitly a part of Nier's backstory and even helps explain some of game's more cryptic moments such as why [[spoiler: tyrann [[spoiler:Tyrann is able to erase nier Nier from existence to save Kainé. It's just pact magic at work. Emil turning into a transsexual skeleton can also be explained by him pacting with his sister for power.]] The thing is that these two examples are consistent with pact magic in the sense that there's a pact **price**. [[spoiler: Nier forfeits his existence and Emil forfeits his appearance, which is a fitting price for both them.]] However NieR's Nier's pact with Weiss doesn't seem to cost him anything. Plot hole much?
19th Dec '13 5:47:00 PM wehrmacht
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*In the beginning of the game NieR makes a pact with Weiss to fight the shades and save Yonah. Which doesn't raise any eyebrows except for the fact that it's presumably a Drakengard pact which changes everything. Pact magic is explicitly a part of Nier's backstory and even helps explain some of game's more cryptic moments such as why [[spoiler: tyrann is able to erase nier from existence to save Kainé. It's just pact magic at work. Emil turning into a transsexual skeleton can also be explained by him pacting with his sister for power.]] The thing is that these two examples are consistent with pact magic in the sense that there's a pact **price**. [[spoiler: Nier forfeits his existence and Emil forfeits his appearance, which is a fitting price for both them.]] However NieR's pact with Weiss doesn't seem to cost him anything. Plot hole much?
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