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** Ahuizotl doesn't really have any special powers or knowledge that could benefit Grogar as far as we know, and Grogar seemed to be going for villains who had bigger ambitions than Ahuizotl. As for Pony of Shadows, opening a portal to Limbo may be beyond even Grogar's powers. Alternatively, getting an eldritch being like it to cooperate with his plan may be impossible. Recall the Pony of Shadows didn't want to rule Equestria, it wanted to make Equestria into a reflection of itself.

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** Ahuizotl doesn't really have any special powers or knowledge that could benefit Grogar as far as we know, and Grogar seemed to be going for villains who had bigger ambitions than Ahuizotl. As for the Pony of Shadows, opening a portal to Limbo may be beyond even Grogar's powers. Alternatively, getting an eldritch being like it to cooperate with his plan may be impossible. Recall the Pony of Shadows didn't want to rule Equestria, it wanted to make Equestria into a reflection of itself.


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** They were simply doing what she asked them to do for her, they didn’t say you can’t act like your yak-ish self. That was all on her feeling like she needed to act like a pony. If she had admitted her insecurities they’d have assured her that she just needed to be herself.
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** The Celestial Era was nothing but peaceful. There is no justification for this claim. It’s another thing the new writers like Nicole Dubuc screwed up.
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*Celestia and Luna are immortal Alicorns and have shown to really embrace an adventurous side. What made them to go to, of all places, Silver Shoals? What would be waiting for them in a retirement home?
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** They probably want to keep an eye on it themselves, both to learn how to use its power and just for security purposes. Hiding it somewhere outside the lair not only increases the odds of some rando stumbling upon it, but if they want to keep an eye on it, they'd have to keep leaving the lair and going to the hiding spot, which could easily arouse Grogar's suspicion. Keeping it in the lair makes it far easier to keep under watch, right under Grogar's nose.

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** They probably want to keep an eye on it themselves, both to learn how to use its power and just for security purposes. Hiding it somewhere outside the lair not only increases the odds of some rando random stumbling upon it, but if they want to keep an eye on it, they'd have to keep leaving the lair and going to the hiding spot, which could easily arouse Grogar's suspicion. Keeping it in the lair makes it far easier to keep under watch, right under Grogar's nose.



** They live for thousands of years, and are almost indestructible. If they bred like humans, they'd be a ''lot'' more of them.

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** They live for thousands of years, and are almost indestructible. If they bred like humans, they'd there'd be a ''lot'' more of them.



** Where was it ever stated the wing size had anything to do with her inability to fly? Plus unlike Bulk who is an actually grown up pony, Scootaloo (as well as the other two)is merely transformed into a grownup pony and as is the point of the episode, this doesn't make them less children or more experienced.
*** Back in the episode Flight to the Finish I recall Scootaloo expressing concern about what if her wings "never grow in" suggesting that wing size has some effect. That said, we see plenty of pegasi smaller than Scootaloo fly with tiny wings, so it may be more that her having small wings as an adult is a side effect of a nonvisual deformity (like something is off about whatever internal magic allows pegasi to fly) rather than the actual cause of ehr not being able to fly.

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** Where was it ever stated the wing size had anything to do with her inability to fly? Plus unlike Bulk who is an actually grown up pony, Scootaloo (as well as the other two)is two) is merely transformed into a grownup pony and as is the point of the episode, this doesn't make them less children or more experienced.
*** Back in the episode Flight "Flight to the Finish Finish" I recall Scootaloo expressing concern about what if her wings "never grow in" suggesting that wing size has some effect. That said, we see plenty of pegasi smaller than Scootaloo fly with tiny wings, so it may be more that her having small wings as an adult is a side effect of a nonvisual deformity (like something is off about whatever internal magic allows pegasi to fly) rather than the actual cause of ehr her not being able to fly.
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* When Cozy Glow attacks the Royal Guard, why did she [[ThinkingUpPortals portal then away]] as opposed to blasting them (besides censorship)? She tried to blast the main characters immediately afterward and after capturing them [[NoNonsenseNemesis argued they immediately eliminate them]], so why not on the Guards?

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* When Cozy Glow attacks the Royal Guard, why did she [[ThinkingUpPortals portal then them away]] as opposed to blasting them (besides censorship)? She tried to blast the main characters immediately afterward and after capturing them [[NoNonsenseNemesis argued they immediately eliminate them]], so why not on the Guards?



* When the Mane Six were the age of Pinkie's child, their parents didn't look as old as the Mane Six did in the DistantFinale. Some of them did't even look that old in the present. So why make the Mane Six that old?

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* When the Mane Six were the age of Pinkie's child, their parents didn't look as old as the Mane Six did in the DistantFinale. Some of them did't didn't even look that old in the present. So why make the Mane Six that old?
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** Hostages wouldn't work, the whole point was that the others were buying time to escape, no matter what happened to the, as reuniting Twilight and the others was of maximum importance. If that meant sacrificing those left behind then that was the prince to escape. Everyone who stayed behind knew the risks, death was a possibility but that was covered by Twilight's defiant speech at the end of the previous episode, it doesn't matter if they fall as others will take up the fight. The more of them stay behind the more distractions there are for the villains and the longer it will take to capture them all again.

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** Hostages wouldn't work, the whole point was that the others were buying time to escape, no matter what happened to the, them, as reuniting Twilight and the others was of maximum importance. If that meant sacrificing those left behind then that was the prince price to escape. Everyone who stayed behind knew the risks, death was a possibility but that was covered by Twilight's defiant speech at the end of the previous episode, it doesn't matter if they fall as others will take up the fight. The more of them who stay behind the more distractions there are for the villains and the longer it will take to capture them all again.
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** Hostages wouldn't work, the whole point was that the others were buying time to escape, no matter what happened to the, as reuniting Twilight and the others was of maximum importance. If that meant sacrificing those left behind then that was the prince to escape. Everyone who stayed behind knew the risks, death was a possibility but that was covered by Twilight's defiant speech at the end of the previous episode, it doesn't matter if they fall as others will take up the fight. The more of them stay behind the more distractions there are for the villains and the longer it will take to capture them all again.
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** Who says he doesn't know it's there? Perhaps he fully knows the other three's plans to betray him, and he's just playing dumb so that he can fool them all once they've finished doing his dirty work for him.
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*** Because it's not canon anymore. While it may have been the original intent it was not established on the actual show during her run and therefore doesn't count. Even she herself has said as much.

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*** Because it's not canon anymore. While it may have been the original intent it was not established on the actual show during her run and therefore doesn't count. [[https://twitter.com/Fyre_flye/status/1222966286696583168 Even she herself has said as much.
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** In hindsight, I worded the earlier entry wrongly. I know that Starlight still has her magic. I was just wondering why the other heroes with no magic decide to stay and help her instead of escaping to the Crystal Empire or Castle of Friendship since they would just be dead weight. As quoted, while they don't need to "last very long", it may just not be "long enough for the others to escape." It might distract Starlight in stalling the villain trio, as she now has to keep an eye on her non-magical friends. Imagine a trio boss fight while you only have one fully functional party member out of 10 members and you have to make sure every single party member lasts for a certain period of time. Wouldn't the smarter idea would be borrowing her the Netitus, while everyone else bails? The Mane 6 got lucky that the villains decided not to use the recaptured heroes as hostages.

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** In hindsight, I worded the earlier entry wrongly. I know that Starlight still has her magic. I was just wondering why the other heroes with no magic decide to stay and help her instead of escaping to the Crystal Empire or Castle of Friendship since they would just be dead weight. As quoted, while they don't need to "last very long", it may just not be "long enough for the others to escape." It might distract Starlight in stalling the villain trio, as she now has to keep an eye on her non-magical friends. Imagine a trio boss fight while you only have one fully functional party member out of 10 members and you have to make sure every single party member lasts for a certain period of time. Wouldn't the smarter idea would be borrowing only for her the Netitus, to stay while everyone else bails? The Mane 6 got lucky that the villains decided not to use the recaptured heroes as hostages.
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** Because it's not just Spike's help she misses, it's ''Spike himself'', and on some level she understands that. She doesn't have that kind of friendly relationship with Smolder, no reason to believe that Smolder would want to help her, and there's the fact that Rarity is Smolder's teacher and asking her to help Rarity's business for no pay might be considered unethical.
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** In hindsight, I worded the earlier entry wrongly. I know that Starlight still has her magic. I was just wondering why the other heroes with no magic decide to stay and help her instead of escaping to the Crystal Empire or Castle of Friendship since they would just be dead weight. As quoted, while they don't need to "last very long", it may just not be "long enough for the others to escape." It might distract Starlight in stalling the villain trio, as she now has to keep an eye on her non-magical friends. Imagine a trio boss fight while you only have one fully functional party member out of 10 members and you have to make sure every single party member lasts for a certain period of time. Wouldn't the smarter idea would be borrowing her the Netitus, while everyone else bails? The Mane 6 got lucky that the villains decided not to use the recaptured heroes as hostages.
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*** Because it's not canon anymore. While it may have been the original intent it was not established on the actual show during her run and therefore doesn't count. Even she herself has said as much.


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** Starlight still had all her magic, but more importantly, it was just a distraction, they don't need to have any chance of winning or last very long. All that matters is they hold the villains attention long enough for the others to escape.

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** Actually, we now have WordOfGod that [[https://derpibooru.org/images/2256835 it was Celestia who feed Nightmare Moon]] at the start of the series (they're no longer involved in the show, but they were at the time). And if the differences was Discord's plan failed, we've seen Celestia's plan [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS5E26TheCutieRemarkPart2 could have failed as well. So why wouldn't Discord call her out on this if he was defensive about it at the time? Any explanations for this beside CharacterizationMarchesOn for Celestia since?

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** Actually, we now have WordOfGod that [[https://derpibooru.org/images/2256835 it was Celestia who feed freed Nightmare Moon]] at the start of the series (they're no longer involved in the show, but they were at the time). And if the differences was Discord's plan failed, we've seen Celestia's plan [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS5E26TheCutieRemarkPart2 could have failed as well.well]]. So why wouldn't Discord call her out on this if he was defensive about it at the time? Any explanations for this beside CharacterizationMarchesOn for Celestia since?


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* When it's time to escape their imprisonment, Discord, Celestia, Luna and the Pillars instead help Starlight in stalling the villain trio ''despite having no magic'', meaning that they might as well just throw rocks like Discord. Celestia even says that even without magic they are not completely helpless despite the lack of evidence throughout the series. Did the bell drain their brains as well? Has it not occurred that without magic, they may not last long enough for the Mane 6 to escape?
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** Actually, we now have WordOfGod that [[https://derpibooru.org/images/2256835 it was Celestia who feed Nightmare Moon]] at the start of the series (they're no longer involved in the show, but they were at the time). And if the differences was Discord's plan failed, we've seen Celestia's plan [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS5E26TheCutieRemarkPart2 could have failed as well. So why wouldn't Discord call her out on this if he was defensive about it at the time? Any explanations for this beside CharacterizationMarchesOn for Celestia since?

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** The latter. If things had gone according to plan, presumably no-one would have ever learned of Discord's involvement, and their new punishment would be left up to Twilight and friends after they defeated them.



** In terms of height, they look about identical, or at least close enough. Spike just got buffer than Smolder, probably because he's the one travelling far and wide, interacting with various potentially-hostile races, while Smolder is presumably just a professor at the School of Friendship.



** That was a dream. And Silverstream has expressed a desire to pursue many things, she's a very excitable person.

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** That was a dream. And dream, and a manipulated one at that. Also, Silverstream has expressed a desire to pursue many things, things; she's a very excitable person.


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** The way she said "And ''this'' is the Council of Friendship..." seemed to imply that she was already aware that it existed prior to this conversation. It was probably a subject that she took the bare minimum notes on to pass so she could focus on the topics she believed mattered far more than making friends.
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** Why would Discord even care? Why would Grogar? If he knew they were there, which is likely since he can sense when Tirek absorbs magic, he'd just assume they were stirring up trouble. Grogar never ordered them to stay where they were so there's no reason for him to pretend to be mad.


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** Back to the real Grogar?


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** It's possible the magic has to be released in the order it was drained, which would mean they couldn't touch Celestia and Luna's magic without somepony taking Discord's first.
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* What would have been the fate of the Terrible Trio had they acted according to Discord's plan? Would they have still been turned to stone, or did Discord only decide on that because they double-crossed him?

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* In light of the reveal that Grogar was Discord, something that doesn't seem to make sense is him not being suspicious of Tirek, Cosy Glow and Chrysalis having been in Canterlot during Summer Sun Setback, with Discord's remark at the end of that episode suggesting he knew they were there. So why didn't he, as Grogar, question their presence upon his return to the base?

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* In light of the reveal that Grogar was Discord, something that doesn't seem to make sense is him not being suspicious of Tirek, Cosy Glow and Chrysalis having been in Canterlot during "The Summer Sun Setback, Setback", with Discord's remark at the end of that episode suggesting he knew they were there. So why didn't he, as Grogar, question their presence upon his return to the base?base?
** Nothing Discord said or did suggested he knew they were there. He was just commending Twilight on resolving all the problems. There was no implication that he knew the villains were the cause of those problems.
* It was established in the season 4 and 9 finales that magic cannot simply disappear, that it needs to go somewhere. So what happened to all the magic (initially within Grogar's bell) that Chrysalis, Tirek and Cozy Glow used to power themselves up when they were [[DePower de-powered]]?
* The villains arguing over the bell in part 2 suggested that Celestia and Luna's magic could not be separated from Discord's once it was in the bell. But following their defeat, both Pinkie and Discord were able to take his magic, and his magic alone, from the bell while keeping Celestia and Luna's separate. Considering the villains had stolen a book with instructions on how to use the bell, it seems odd that they would not know how to do this.



* How come Silverstream's teaching when in Uprooted, she wanted to be part of the Wonderbolts? I'm sure since in the future, there's more peace and all that, the Wonderbolts would allow other creatures to join their team than only keeping it to Pegasi.

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* How come Silverstream's teaching when in Uprooted, "Uprooted", she wanted to be part of the Wonderbolts? I'm sure since in the future, there's more peace and all that, the Wonderbolts would allow other creatures to join their team than only keeping it to Pegasi.
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** That it took him so long to find the bell suggests that the magic shield and winds around the mountain interfered with his ability to observe the area

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** That The fact that it took him so long to find the bell suggests that the magic shield and winds around the mountain interfered with his ability to observe the areaarea.
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** People grow differently.


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** That was a dream. And Silverstream has expressed a desire to pursue many things, she's a very excitable person.
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* How is it that Luster hasn't heard of the Council of Friendship to begin with? Shouldn't that be a new topic taught in the school at Canterlot at the very least?
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* How is it that Spike is so much more buff when it was obvious that he was much younger than Smolder? Yet, when we see Smolder in the song montage at the end on top of that tree, she seems to have barely grown all that much? I mean, she has grown a bit by the looks of it, but nowhere near as big as Spike.
* How come Silverstream's teaching when in Uprooted, she wanted to be part of the Wonderbolts? I'm sure since in the future, there's more peace and all that, the Wonderbolts would allow other creatures to join their team than only keeping it to Pegasi.
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* Was any explanation given for the apple trails?

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* In light of the reveal that Grogar was Discord, something that doesn't seem to make sense is him not being suspicious of Tirek, Cosy Glow and Chrysalis having been in Canterlot during Summer Sun Setback, with Discord's remark at the end of that episode suggesting he knew they were there. So why didn't he, as Grogar, question their presence upon his return to the base?


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* Why doesn't Rarity just go and ask Smolder for help with a few things that Spike's done? Such as tasting gems, since she is, after all, a dragon as well, and I'm sure she would be able to tell ripe gems from not so ripe gems.
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* So Chrysalis' part of the plan is to [[BitchInSheepsClothing use her Shutterbug disugise]] to fool ponies of all three races into thinking they're against each other. Seems to make enough sense considering [[ManipulativeBastard her aptitude for manipulation]] except for one little detail. How could no one thought to investigate this and try to confirm whether or not she was being honest only to eventually denounce her as a liar? Furthermore, [[WhatAnIdiot why would they just immediately believe that without a second thought]] when Equestria's liable to regain its peace anytime pandemonium ensues thanks to the Mane Six ''and'' various ponies have interacted with each other before without any such issue whatsoever?

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* So Chrysalis' part of the plan is to [[BitchInSheepsClothing use her Shutterbug Crackle Cosette disugise]] to fool ponies of all three races into thinking they're against each other. Seems to make enough sense considering [[ManipulativeBastard her aptitude for manipulation]] except for one little detail. How could no one thought Why didn't anyone think to investigate this and try to confirm whether or not she was being honest only to eventually denounce her as a liar? Furthermore, [[WhatAnIdiot why would they just immediately believe that without a second thought]] when Equestria's liable to regain its peace anytime pandemonium ensues thanks to the Mane Six ''and'' various ponies have interacted with each other before without any such issue whatsoever?



** Another part of the answer is that throughout the series the majority of ponies have shown a substantial "herd mentality" when in stressful or negative situations, and quite a bit of naivety that links to a tendency to believe what they are told and to align themselves with their own type of pony for the sake of self preservation. It may well be simply ingrained in their equine instincts and something they will always have to struggle with even as they better themselves. It was even lampshaded by the villains earlier in the season just how easy it was to turn the different pony types against each other.

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** Another part of the answer is that throughout the series series, the majority of ponies have shown a substantial "herd mentality" when in stressful or negative situations, and quite a bit of naivety that links to a tendency to believe what they are told and to align themselves with their own type of pony for the sake of self preservation. It may well be simply ingrained in their equine instincts and something they will always have to struggle with even as they better themselves. It was even lampshaded by the villains earlier in the season just how easy it was to turn the different pony types against each other.
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*** I doubt Discord would be in any danger from inverting their personalities, it took him completely changing himself and his home and then leaving it that way for it to endanger him before. A single act won't do anything. However using his powers to change them would be wrong, changing who someone is has always been portrayed as a horrible thing plus the change would be artificial and reversible which would make it incredibly dangerous.
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* Wouldn't it have been a lot easier for Discord to simply invert the personalities of Cozy Glow, Chrysalis and Tirek [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E1TheReturnOfHarmonyPart1 as he did to the Mane Six]], [[HeelFaceBrainwashing (except to make them good)]]? [[JustEatGilligan It could've saved himself ''and'' all of Equestria a world of trouble]].

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* Wouldn't it have been a lot easier for Discord to simply invert the personalities of Cozy Glow, Chrysalis and Tirek [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E1TheReturnOfHarmonyPart1 as he did to the Mane Six]], [[HeelFaceBrainwashing (except except to make them good)]]? good]]? [[JustEatGilligan It could've saved himself ''and'' and all of Equestria a world of trouble]].

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