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** Because they blew it all up. God damn them all to hell.

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** Because they blew it all up. God damn them all to hell.


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* Seriously, WHY did the writers even decide to give Pinkie Pie a Pinkie Sense when it's hardly ever mentioned later (except ''The mysterious Mare Do Well and ''It's About Time'')? There's probably lots of other moments in the series where the Pinkie Sense would apply that where it was forgotten about.
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* What was Spike afraid of with the green dragon? We know he's fire-proof (In "Dragon Quest" he outright swam in lava), so the dragons fire breath would've done nothing. He's also pretty resistant to being slammed into stuff (Once again, "Dragon Quest" shows him being thrown into a rocky cliff face, and later belly flopping into lava from 30 feet up, which the other teen dragons said would kill anything else), and Rar

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* What was Spike afraid of with the green dragon? We know he's fire-proof (In "Dragon Quest" he outright swam in lava), so the dragons fire breath would've done nothing. He's also pretty resistant to being slammed into stuff (Once again, "Dragon Quest" shows him being thrown into a rocky cliff face, and later belly flopping into lava from 30 feet up, which the other teen dragons said would kill anything else), and RarRarity's sewing needles didn't bother him either ( "Green isn't Your Color"). This seems to point out that Spike can't be hurt by a lot.
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* What was Spike afraid of with the green dragon? We know he's fire-proof (In "Dragon Quest" he outright swam in lava), so the dragons fire breath would've done nothing. He's also pretty resistant to being slammed into stuff (Once again, "Dragon Quest" shows him being thrown into a rocky cliff face, and later belly flopping into lava from 30 feet up, which the other teen dragons said would kill anything else), and Rar
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** She probably cast the wing spell on Rarity, then realized it was too difficult to do to the other ponies. Then she looked in her library for an easier solution, and found one: the walking-on-clouds spell.
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** They're so used to being good at their talents that they don't think of it as something special.
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** While Fluttershy has no talent at clothing ''design'', she is the next best seamstress on the cast next to Rarity. Remember, she's the one who finished Rarity's gala dress for her in "Suited For Success". It's possible that Rarity asked Fluttershy to go over the dresses and look for loose threads and suchlike because Rarity was busy with something else.
*** Given the exchange back in Art of the Dress it seems to be implied that Fluttershy may lack the flare for design (or just the passion to do it) she is more technically sound than Rarity pointing out all the incorrect techniques that she used. However to answer the question Ponyville's map seems to be just slightly more static than Springfield. The point being the easiest answer is everybody meets at Fluttershy's house before heading out. It's may be close to the train tracks, or close to the path, or somehow located most centrally to the others (and with Rainbow Dash's home being non-disclosed thus far and Sweet Apple Acres clearly not part of Ponyville proper so much as adjacent it's possible if a bit improbable.

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** While Fluttershy has no talent at clothing ''design'', she is the next best seamstress on the cast next to Rarity.a close peer of Rarity as a seamstress. Remember, she's the one who finished Rarity's gala dress for her in "Suited For Success". It's possible that Rarity asked Fluttershy to go over the dresses and look for loose threads and suchlike because Rarity was busy with something else.
*** Given the exchange back in Art of the Dress it seems to be implied that Fluttershy may lack the flare for design (or just the passion to do it) she is more technically sound than Rarity pointing out all the incorrect techniques that she used. However to answer the question Also, Ponyville's map seems to be just slightly more static than Springfield. The point being the easiest answer is that everybody meets might have intended to meet at Fluttershy's house before heading out. It's may be close to the train tracks, or close to the path, or somehow located most centrally to the others (and with Rainbow Dash's home being non-disclosed thus far and Sweet Apple Acres clearly not part of Ponyville proper so much as adjacent it's possible if a bit improbable.
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*** Given the exchange back in Art of the Dress it seems to be implied that Fluttershy may lack the flare for design (or just the passion to do it) she is more technically sound than Rarity pointing out all the incorrect techniques that she used. However to answer the question Ponyville's map seems to be just slightly more static than Springfield. The point being the easiest answer is everybody meets at Fluttershy's house before heading out. It's may be close to the train tracks, or close to the path, or somehow located most centrally to the others (and with Rainbow Dash's home being non-disclosed thus far and Sweet Apple Acres clearly not part of Ponyville proper so much as adjacent it's possible if a bit improbable.
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** While Fluttershy has no talent at clothing ''design'', she is the next best seamstress on the cast next to Rarity. Remember, she's the one who finished Rarity's gala dress for her in "Suited For Success". It's possible that Rarity asked Fluttershy to go over the dresses and look for loose threads and suchlike because Rarity was busy with something else.
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* Fluttershy's closet in the [[TheTeaser Cold Open]]. Why in the Wide Wide World of Equestria would all of the Mane Six's dresses for the Gala be at her cottage?
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** Two possible explanations I can come up with for poor Twilight's [[HumiliationConga physical hell]] are either just pure bad luck or her own skepticism leading her in the wrong direction, the latter of which is rather deep when you think about it. Also, come to think of it, if Twilight had taken the Pinkie Sense seriously, as well as followed Spike out of harm's way when she was observing Pinkie, right from the start, she could have avoided a LOT of pain, so I guess you could say that it was Twilight's own skepticism overcoming her to such an extent that it led her to suffer all these somewhat coincidental misfortunes.

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** Two possible explanations I can come up with for poor Twilight's [[HumiliationConga physical hell]] are either just pure bad luck or her own skepticism leading her in the wrong direction, the latter of which is rather deep when you think about it. Also, come to think of it, if Twilight had taken the Pinkie Sense seriously, as well as followed Spike out of harm's way when she was observing Pinkie, right from the start, she could have avoided a LOT of pain, so I guess you could say that it was Twilight's own skepticism overcoming her to such an extent that it led her to suffer all these somewhat coincidental misfortunes.
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** Twilight Sparkle isn't fussed about Pinkie Pie abusing ToonPhysics because, as cartoon, those are just normal physics to her. Pinkie Pie may be unusually good at it, but that's no more impossible than Rainbow's skill at flight or Twilight's own skill with magic.




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** They were getting ready for a fight, so maybe she's the only one good enough to join the warriors?
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* The captors and ponies were all pretty good on all sides, especially when the captors did stand up to Rarity and Rarity's reactions throughout to her manipulation, but something come to mind in a combination of DistressedDamsel and FridgeLogic. 1) If the captive one was Fluttershy or Twilight Sparkle or Spike, would they have able to come up with a way out? I mention this because while I believe they deconstructed the idea of the DistressedDamsel into the evolution of the BadassDamsel, they also played it pretty straight with the 'hero and heroines' thoughts as well as Rarity's initial reactions to captivity. I mean, when the girls as much as the boy of the group think you're in immense danger, then someone's playing with the trope or you're lampshading with the purpose to not show hatred against DistressedDamsel, but to appreciate and use it your own way while playing it straight. I think this episode was actually put in for a very real discussion about DistressedDamsel between parents and their children as well as the PeripheryDemographic-not meant to detract or glorify the trope, but to make it a DiscussedTrope. Well done, Faust.

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* The captors and ponies were all pretty good on all sides, especially when the captors did stand up to Rarity and Rarity's reactions throughout to her manipulation, but something come to mind in a combination of DistressedDamsel and FridgeLogic. 1) If the captive one was Fluttershy or Twilight Sparkle or Spike, would they have able to come up with a way out? I mention this because while I believe they deconstructed twisted the idea of the DistressedDamsel DamselInDistress into the evolution of the BadassDamsel, DamselOutOfDistress, they also played it pretty straight with the 'hero and heroines' thoughts as well as Rarity's initial reactions to captivity. I mean, when the girls as much as the boy of the group think you're in immense danger, then someone's playing with the trope or you're lampshading with the purpose to not show hatred against DistressedDamsel, DamselInDistress, but to appreciate and use it your own way while playing it straight. I think this episode was actually put in for a very real discussion about DistressedDamsel DamselInDistress between parents and their children as well as the PeripheryDemographic-not meant to detract or glorify the trope, but to make it a DiscussedTrope. Well done, Faust.

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* Why did so many people grow to not be fond Fluttershy after this episode? Sure, she was pretty brutal commenting on her new dress, but it's not like it wasn't what exactly Rarity wanted. In fact, Fluttershy at least tried to pretend she liked the dress (even though she clearly didn't) and only finally burst into her rant - after lots of struggling and ''sweating'' - when Rarity basically pressed her against a wall, and she didn't seem very happy doing it either. And yet somehow this one short scene brought her more enemies and hate art than any other character from the main cast earned throughout whole series, like she did it on purpose just to hurt Rarity. To be fair, Rainbow Dash was much more mean to poor Rarity in this episode just by openly calling her a laughing stock at the worst possible moment (she was already going through a breakdown at the time) but not one person said a bad word about her because of that.
** Fans are weird like that? And I agree it's not fair. I love that episode dearly but for the former half of the episode, the girls were pretty flanky and self-absorbed towards Rarity, it's stupid that just Fluttershy got singled out.
*** It probably has something to do with the fact that BrutalHonesty is completely in character for Rainbow Dash; The issues with Fluttershy probably stem from the fact that she's normally so nice. It makes this one incident seem worse. But yeah, even then you can hardly blame her, given that Rarity was (literally) asking for it.
*** It also might have be the completely out-of-left-field knowledge of sewing that had never been hinted at, and the snooty *hmph* and leg-cross at the end of her rant. It just seemed off-character.
** There's also a fair argument that Fluttershy's behaviour towards Rarity during the second half of the song was worse than the others. The other ponies were simply trying to apply their own priorities to the dress (being practicality, coolness, accuracy, and whatever it is Pinkie Pie does), and while they're at fault for not listening to Rarity and respecting her expertise and her generosity, Fluttershy was outright telling Rarity "your sewing sucks, sew better".
*** She was nowhere near that blunt, and I would think most people would take it as useful constructive criticism, compared to the other four.
**** I didn't really hate Fluttershy for her behaviour in this episode (in fact, I haven't even thought of this before reading this Headscratcher), so here goes devil's advocate: To put a slightly different spin on the second respondent's argument, out of all Rarity's friends Fluttershy is the only one who displayed presumptions of fashion sense and knowledge of clothes-making. One would expect her criticism to actually be constructive and her dress to not turn out a disaster. Yet apparently her idea of French haute couture involves bird nests, quilts, and cellophane flowers. Perhaps if the writers made her ask for more "nature" in her dress, rather than give her "freaky knowledge" of sewing, it would have been easier to swallow.
*** Fluttershy could have offered the same criticism in a much less bitchy, patronizing tone. And she also just flat-out insulted Rarity by calling her hand-made dress "prêt-à-porter" ("off the rack").
*** My pick for worst behaved during the second montage is Pinkie Pie. Some pertinent quotes:
--> '''Pinkie''': Don't you think my dress would be more me with some balloons?
--> '''Rarity''': Um, well...
--> '''Pinkie''': DO IT!
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--> '''Pinkie''': More balloons! There's too many balloons! More candy! No, less candy! Ooh, I know: streamers!
--> '''Rarity''': Streamers?
--> '''Pinkie''': Whose dress is this?
--> '''Rarity''': Streamers it is.

** But Pinkie doesn't really have any episode center around her, all episode where she teach some lesson are other characters episodes.
** The closest Pinkie has to a spotlight episode right now is "Griffon the Brush-Off", and that's arguably more focused on introducing Gilda and her relationship with Dash. To be fair, Pinkie does seem to seriously consider Twilight's suggestion that she's just jealous -- but then Gilda [[KickTheDog kicks so many ponies]] in front of her that she's justified in giving her a HumiliationConga. Still, maybe that not-quite-learned lesson will come back in a later ep...
*** Nitpick: She didn't give her a HumiliationConga. She just threw a party, and Gilda set off pranks set by ''Rainbow'', who just intended for random guests, not necessarily Gilda, to trip.
** She learned a lesson about not suspecting the worst about your friends in "Party of One".
*** And a lesson about not judging people by first impressions in "Bridle Gossip".
*** A new episode for Season 2 has been announced that will be centred around Pinkie Pie: "Baby Cakes".
** The whole scene doesn’t make sense to me! Suddenly, Rarity seems to be a hack who doesn’t know the basics of sewing. Suddenly, her original designs, which are later described as “perfect,” genuinly suck and are in need of improvement. Suddenly, one of Rarity’s friends gives valid, informed criticism. This goes completely against the rest of the episode!

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* Why did so many people grow to not be fond Fluttershy after this episode? Sure, she was pretty brutal commenting on her new dress, but it's not like it wasn't what exactly Rarity wanted. In fact, Fluttershy at least tried to pretend she liked the dress (even though she clearly didn't) and only finally burst into her rant - after lots of struggling and ''sweating'' - when Rarity basically pressed her against a wall, and she didn't seem very happy doing it either. And yet somehow this one short scene brought her more enemies and hate art than any other character from the main cast earned throughout whole series, like she did it on purpose just to hurt Rarity. To be fair, Rainbow Dash was much more mean to poor Rarity in this episode just by openly calling her a laughing stock at the worst possible moment (she was already going through a breakdown at the time) but not one person said a bad word about her because of that.
** Fans are weird like that? And I agree it's not fair. I love that episode dearly but for the former half of the episode, the girls were pretty flanky and self-absorbed towards Rarity, it's stupid that just Fluttershy got singled out.
*** It probably has something to do with the fact that BrutalHonesty is completely in character for Rainbow Dash; The issues with Fluttershy probably stem from the fact that she's normally so nice. It makes this one incident seem worse. But yeah, even then you can hardly blame her, given that Rarity was (literally) asking for it.
*** It also might have be the completely out-of-left-field knowledge of sewing that had never been hinted at, and the snooty *hmph* and leg-cross at the end of her rant. It just seemed off-character.
** There's also a fair argument that Fluttershy's behaviour towards Rarity during the second half of the song was worse than the others. The other ponies were simply trying to apply their own priorities to the dress (being practicality, coolness, accuracy, and whatever it is Pinkie Pie does), and while they're at fault for not listening to Rarity and respecting her expertise and her generosity, Fluttershy was outright telling Rarity "your sewing sucks, sew better".
*** She was nowhere near that blunt, and I would think most people would take it as useful constructive criticism, compared to the other four.
**** I didn't really hate Fluttershy for her behaviour in this episode (in fact, I haven't even thought of this before reading this Headscratcher), so here goes devil's advocate: To put a slightly different spin on the second respondent's argument, out of all Rarity's friends Fluttershy is the only one who displayed presumptions of fashion sense and knowledge of clothes-making. One would expect her criticism to actually be constructive and her dress to not turn out a disaster. Yet apparently her idea of French haute couture involves bird nests, quilts, and cellophane flowers. Perhaps if the writers made her ask for more "nature" in her dress, rather than give her "freaky knowledge" of sewing, it would have been easier to swallow.
*** Fluttershy could have offered the same criticism in a much less bitchy, patronizing tone. And she also just flat-out insulted Rarity by calling her hand-made dress "prêt-à-porter" ("off the rack").
*** My pick for worst behaved during the second montage is Pinkie Pie. Some pertinent quotes:
--> '''Pinkie''': Don't you think my dress would be more me with some balloons?
--> '''Rarity''': Um, well...
--> '''Pinkie''': DO IT!
--> ....
--> '''Pinkie''': More balloons! There's too many balloons! More candy! No, less candy! Ooh, I know: streamers!
--> '''Rarity''': Streamers?
--> '''Pinkie''': Whose dress is this?
--> '''Rarity''': Streamers it is.

** But Pinkie doesn't really have any episode center around her, all episode where she teach some lesson are other characters episodes.
** The closest Pinkie has to a spotlight episode right now is "Griffon the Brush-Off", and that's arguably more focused on introducing Gilda and her relationship with Dash. To be fair, Pinkie does seem to seriously consider Twilight's suggestion that she's just jealous -- but then Gilda [[KickTheDog kicks so many ponies]] in front of her that she's justified in giving her a HumiliationConga. Still, maybe that not-quite-learned lesson will come back in a later ep...
*** Nitpick: She didn't give her a HumiliationConga. She just threw a party, and Gilda set off pranks set by ''Rainbow'', who just intended for random guests, not necessarily Gilda, to trip.
** She learned a lesson about not suspecting the worst about your friends in "Party of One".
*** And a lesson about not judging people by first impressions in "Bridle Gossip".
*** A new episode for Season 2 has been announced that will be centred around Pinkie Pie: "Baby Cakes".
** The whole scene doesn’t make sense to me! Suddenly, Rarity seems to be a hack who doesn’t know the basics of sewing. Suddenly, her original designs, which are later described as “perfect,” genuinly suck and are in need of improvement. Suddenly, one of Rarity’s friends gives valid, informed criticism. This goes completely against the rest of the episode!




* You know what ''really'' makes me scratch my head? The fact that so many people took an episode about acceptance and tolerance and somehow twisted the aesop into being the biggest direct attack on religion since [[FamilyGuy Not All Dogs Go To Heaven]]. Seriously, how can you even ''come'' to that conclusion? It makes no sense in context of the episode.
** According to WordOfGod, the aesop wasn't even about acceptance and tolerance, but the dangers of hubris. I think the unfortunate AccidentalAesop can be attributed to Twilight undergoing an extremely painful, over-the-top HumiliationConga in an effort to explain Pinkie's ability, and the episode's ending with her embracing it wholeheartedly, apparently abandoning all efforts to explain it. Hence, what seems to be a message of pro-dogmatism.
** What the hell is it with TV Tropes and NADGTH? That's like a new religion in its own right.
** Part of it seemed to be just unintentional wording and dialogue choices as well as minor plot elements. A big chunk of the plot was about trusting Pinkie versus Twilight wanting to find out why... rather than simply Twilight 'knowing better' and showing that in other ways (or wrapping the plot up in other ways). And to be fair, it's kind of hard to have this sort of situation without people projecting a religion vs. about it.
** Word choice didn't help much: "You've got to take a leap of faith" seems to have been designed precisely for such a misunderstanding.

* Do the writers honestly think science is dogmatic rather then just just sceptical in nature?\\
The {{Aesop}} at the end annoys me because it's presented as Twilight acknowledging that the limited view of the world she's been dogmatically clinging to all episode my not be all there is, the only problem with that is she's been talking about science all episode, and science doesn't just stick dogmatically to one and one only view of the world (at least it's not suppose to) it's just sceptical which doesn't mean I won't believe any thing, just that it will only say things with certainty if they've been "proven beyond reasonable doubt"
** Nobody ever said that science was wrong, just Twilight in this instance. Twilight wasn't acting like a scientist at all. She repeatedly ignored instances of "Pinkie sense" functioning out of an intent to prove herself right rather than actually gain understanding. Instead of trying to piece together what was actually happening, she went out of her way to "disprove" Pinkie simply because she didn't want to believe it. In other situations, her skepticism and research skills have proven to be great assets. It's just that this one time she was being stubborn and dogmatic, if only because Pinkie's premonition claims offended her because she viewed it as an insult to effort she put into her own magic. If this pattern was repeated, you'd have an argument. In this case, it's just Twilight being wrong thanks to being motivated by spite rather than the pursuit of knowledge. Frankly it bothers me that people take everything so personally on this show. A character being wrong in one instance does not mean that the writers are against everything that character stands for.
*** The issue is Twilight acts as a very stereotypical strawman skeptic in the episode. [[AcceptableTargets Skeptics tend to get a particularly raw deal in most media]], and this episode seems to be a particularly bad example of one. While Twilight is acting in a way that a skeptic can sometimes act, as skeptics like all people are prone to bias (The entire point of skepticism being to do ones best to remove that bias), I found the episode offensive partially because of the media in general. For example, it's not offensive to have a single black character be a thug or criminal, but if 90% of blacks in the media were criminals, than every show that perpetuates that notion is going to be offensive. Twilight was just the latest in a long line of TV Skeptics acting in an extremely unskeptical way. If the portrayal of skeptics like this were more uncommon, the episode might have made a fine lesson about how no-one is immune to this kind of thinking. But instead, this episode simply perpetuated the stereotype of the arrogant and blind skeptic, whether it intended to or not. Also, the 'leap of faith' line REALLY didn't help. If you want to piss off a skeptic, try to extol the [[BerserkButton virtues of faith]] (as something other than a synonym for trust) to them. Lastly, Twilight gives up on understanding what could be an incredible discovery in the field of magic, and doesn't appear to forward the discovery to anyone else to study. A real scientist might give up on understanding something if she finds it too difficult to study further, but the idea of not putting the discovery out there for others to work on is nothing short of criminal. In short, it's likely that this episode was an unintentional perfect storm of things intended to drive a certain community of people absolutely crazy.



* ''Show Stoppers,'' ''Show Stoppers,'' [[BerserkButton Show Stoppers.]] It's one thing to recognize the things you have an affinity for. It's another to actively pigeonhole someone, especially a child, into rejecting the things they aren't immediately good at. You do not openly ''cringe'' at three little kids who want to enter a talent show, even if it's clear they're going to bomb; you smile and encourage them to work hard at whatever they do. Twilight Sparkle's behavior was incredibly inappropriate.
** She was trying to help them get their cutie mark. I guess it just shows the truth of the aseop, 'you're just going to have to wait for it'.
** We're talking about a world where little school ponies have to discover what they will be wearing on their butts for the rest of their lives. It's not like our rules about upbringing would apply well in Equestria.
*** The entire point is to discover your true calling in life -- getting a [[strike: butt]] cutie mark is just a by-product that symbolizes that. And you're forgetting that this is, in the end, a kid's show with direct aesops...in this case, a rotten one.
** I think that cutie marks are open to interpretation. Rarity's mark is several gems, and she's a clothing designer. She could've just as easily been a jeweler or a diamond miner. But she isn't, despite her affinity for those things. She's still doing something she chose to do.
** We're getting an episode where we find out how the main cast got their cutie marks. Hopefully that will clear up some questions.
** Aren't you being a bit harsh? "Pigeonholing"? All she did was, when they first heard about the contest, encourage them to do the things they like to do; i.e. the things they're talented at and passionate about, like Sweetie and singing. She only "cringed" when she realized they had all kind of missed the point and were trying to be something they really weren't.
** I think that the point the episode was ''trying'' to make was that the Crusaders were putting too much effort into trying to make the cutie marks appear rather than just do what they enjoy and are already talented at (which is what actually makes the cutie marks appear). All three of them had already displayed obvious talents earlier in the episode (Sweetie Belle can sing, Scootaloo is a decent artist and a hell of a boarder, and Apple Bloom basically took the clubhouse from "lost cause" to "pretty" in the course of an afternoon). The thing is that none of them use those talents in their show (Sweetie Belle does the set design and costumes instead of singing, Scootaloo does the musical composition instead of the coreography, and Apple Bloom does the dancing instead of the set design). They had all the talent needed to put a good show together, but each pony was doing the wrong job. The intended moral was probably something more along the lines of "play to your strengths" or "don't waste what talents you have", both of which are decent morals. Of course, the episode didn't handle it very well and it could easily be misconstrued as "don't try new things".
*** Since rewatching the episode, it's more likely that the moral was '''too''' subtle. The intended moral above ''was'' implied by Twilight Sparkle before the contest was shown to the CMC. And on top of that, this was after a montage of them trying new things. Of course, that ties in to my personal theory that the complaints on this particular episode here were made by someone who didn't pay enough attention. As for the "main point" here, I see nothing wrong with Twilight's behavior. Especially since the alternative is IMO much more wrong.
** Actually, the whole point of Twilight's advice to the Cutie Mark Crusaders was that the easiest way to get your ''cutie mark'' was to find talents you're good at. Just because you have a certain cutie mark doesn't mean you can't try other things also. Look at Pinkie Pie, her cutie mark was found because she's great at making parties, but she's also a great baker too. Fluttershy's cutie mark was found when she discovers her love and connection to animals, but she's also a talented singer and fashion model also. It's not like the kids can't have multiple talents in life, but specifically getting a cutie mark just means discovering one of your ''strongest'' talents.
** In the wake of "The Cutie Mark Chronicles", there's an element of FridgeBrilliance. Twilight ''would'' think that the "correct" way to find a cutie mark, so to speak, is to recognize what you're clearly good at and then work hard at it...because that's the way she got her's. She didn't try other things first, like Applejack, or have a moment of epiphany like Rainbow Dash or Fluttershy; she became inspired to study magic, did so, and discovered she was gifted in it. The possibility of trying many new things to find one that clicks -- or that this might be a perfectly reasonable way to find your calling -- probably wouldn't occur to her.
*** So, it's sort of like getting a home run on your first at-bat, then proving that it wasn't a lucky shot by getting a very good average?

** The CMC weren't in the contest to win (at least not as their primary goal), they were in the competition to get their Cutie Marks. In this series a Cutie Mark basically symbolizes the inner nature of the wearer, something that is difficult to find for humans over an entire lifetime, let alone for children. All Twilight did was try to encourage the CMC to recognize their talents and natures in a relatively subtle way by asking them to think about what they personally want to do instead of just randomly trying numerous hair-brained schemes and giving up if they don't get immediate results. If they were just doing the competition for fun, Twilight wouldn't have interfered.
*** Agreed. Their admitted goal was to find their cutie marks. It wasn't to have fun, or to find out something they're 'merely good at'. They wanted their cutie marks, and Twilight was initially happy for them, because she thought that they were finally going about it how they were supposed to. She reacts negatively when she realizes they are so close, but continuing to miss the point. Even if none of them got their cutie marks if they played to their strengths, she would still recognize that they were finally realizing that getting your mark was more about doing what you like and are already good at, and generally approve of what they did because they were no longer trying to 'force' the issue.

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* ''Show Stoppers,'' ''Show Stoppers,'' [[BerserkButton Show Stoppers.]] It's one thing to recognize the things you have an affinity for. It's another to actively pigeonhole someone, especially a child, into rejecting the things they aren't immediately good at. You do not openly ''cringe'' at three little kids who want to enter a talent show, even if it's clear they're going to bomb; you smile and encourage them to work hard at whatever they do. Twilight Sparkle's behavior was incredibly inappropriate.
** She was trying to help them get their cutie mark. I guess it just shows the truth of the aseop, 'you're just going to have to wait for it'.
** We're talking about a world where little school ponies have to discover what they will be wearing on their butts for the rest of their lives. It's not like our rules about upbringing would apply well in Equestria.
*** The entire point is to discover your true calling in life -- getting a [[strike: butt]] cutie mark is just a by-product that symbolizes that. And you're forgetting that this is, in the end, a kid's show with direct aesops...in this case, a rotten one.
** I think that cutie marks are open to interpretation. Rarity's mark is several gems, and she's a clothing designer. She could've just as easily been a jeweler or a diamond miner. But she isn't, despite her affinity for those things. She's still doing something she chose to do.
** We're getting an episode where we find out how the main cast got their cutie marks. Hopefully that will clear up some questions.
** Aren't you being a bit harsh? "Pigeonholing"? All she did was, when they first heard about the contest, encourage them to do the things they like to do; i.e. the things they're talented at and passionate about, like Sweetie and singing. She only "cringed" when she realized they had all kind of missed the point and were trying to be something they really weren't.
** I think that the point the episode was ''trying'' to make was that the Crusaders were putting too much effort into trying to make the cutie marks appear rather than just do what they enjoy and are already talented at (which is what actually makes the cutie marks appear). All three of them had already displayed obvious talents earlier in the episode (Sweetie Belle can sing, Scootaloo is a decent artist and a hell of a boarder, and Apple Bloom basically took the clubhouse from "lost cause" to "pretty" in the course of an afternoon). The thing is that none of them use those talents in their show (Sweetie Belle does the set design and costumes instead of singing, Scootaloo does the musical composition instead of the coreography, and Apple Bloom does the dancing instead of the set design). They had all the talent needed to put a good show together, but each pony was doing the wrong job. The intended moral was probably something more along the lines of "play to your strengths" or "don't waste what talents you have", both of which are decent morals. Of course, the episode didn't handle it very well and it could easily be misconstrued as "don't try new things".
*** Since rewatching the episode, it's more likely that the moral was '''too''' subtle. The intended moral above ''was'' implied by Twilight Sparkle before the contest was shown to the CMC. And on top of that, this was after a montage of them trying new things. Of course, that ties in to my personal theory that the complaints on this particular episode here were made by someone who didn't pay enough attention. As for the "main point" here, I see nothing wrong with Twilight's behavior. Especially since the alternative is IMO much more wrong.
** Actually, the whole point of Twilight's advice to the Cutie Mark Crusaders was that the easiest way to get your ''cutie mark'' was to find talents you're good at. Just because you have a certain cutie mark doesn't mean you can't try other things also. Look at Pinkie Pie, her cutie mark was found because she's great at making parties, but she's also a great baker too. Fluttershy's cutie mark was found when she discovers her love and connection to animals, but she's also a talented singer and fashion model also. It's not like the kids can't have multiple talents in life, but specifically getting a cutie mark just means discovering one of your ''strongest'' talents.
** In the wake of "The Cutie Mark Chronicles", there's an element of FridgeBrilliance. Twilight ''would'' think that the "correct" way to find a cutie mark, so to speak, is to recognize what you're clearly good at and then work hard at it...because that's the way she got her's. She didn't try other things first, like Applejack, or have a moment of epiphany like Rainbow Dash or Fluttershy; she became inspired to study magic, did so, and discovered she was gifted in it. The possibility of trying many new things to find one that clicks -- or that this might be a perfectly reasonable way to find your calling -- probably wouldn't occur to her.
*** So, it's sort of like getting a home run on your first at-bat, then proving that it wasn't a lucky shot by getting a very good average?

** The CMC weren't in the contest to win (at least not as their primary goal), they were in the competition to get their Cutie Marks. In this series a Cutie Mark basically symbolizes the inner nature of the wearer, something that is difficult to find for humans over an entire lifetime, let alone for children. All Twilight did was try to encourage the CMC to recognize their talents and natures in a relatively subtle way by asking them to think about what they personally want to do instead of just randomly trying numerous hair-brained schemes and giving up if they don't get immediate results. If they were just doing the competition for fun, Twilight wouldn't have interfered.
*** Agreed. Their admitted goal was to find their cutie marks. It wasn't to have fun, or to find out something they're 'merely good at'. They wanted their cutie marks, and Twilight was initially happy for them, because she thought that they were finally going about it how they were supposed to. She reacts negatively when she realizes they are so close, but continuing to miss the point. Even if none of them got their cutie marks if they played to their strengths, she would still recognize that they were finally realizing that getting your mark was more about doing what you like and are already good at, and generally approve of what they did because they were no longer trying to 'force' the issue.



* Am I the only one who thinks the writers shot themselves in the foot with the aesop here? Just because someone is feminine and ladylike, it doesn't make her weak... but feminine strength lies in acting whiny, entitled, prissy, and manipulative? How is that a better stereotype?




* As a Canadian History minor, the conclusion kind of irked me. IRL, natives traded with white settlers because they liked their processed European food and their alcohol, both of which contributed to the destruction of their lifestyle and race. I wonder where the Buffalo tribe is going to be in a decade after becoming dependent on a non-indigenous food...
** DERAIL! I've been to two American history courses. One lecturer considered the furs acquired through the North American fur trade genuinely useful and important goods. Another considered them a fashion luxury. I'm more impressed with the former as a teacher, but lack independent verification for the accuracy of his teachings. Could you tell me how it is? (For the record, I didn't hear of processed food being traded - lots of cookware and other such things, though.)
*** The first teacher was more correct. Beaver felt hats were a "fashion luxury" in the sense that they were very popular and acted as something of a status symbol, but (to draw a modern equivalency) a brand-name Nike shoe is still a shoe and is therefore useful and important. The second teacher seems to be implying that because beaver felt was a "luxury" it was somehow unworthy. Beaver felt is objectively superior to other felts, and beavers were plentiful at the time. Economics took its course. You're also correct that most trade with Amerind tribes was for manufactured goods and alcohol rather than processed foods. You give a man a pie, he eats for a day. You give him a hunting rifle...
**** The above troper's right without going far enough--the number one things most tribes wanted out of the trade? Metal. Muskets, yes, because guns > arrows and spears for hunting and warfare (which was going on long before Europeans moved in), and also metal knives (a lot easier than knapping stone points), fishhooks (try using a bone one some time), pots and pans (try cooking in birchbark-works great right up until you're not careful and it catches fire)...plus ever see all that beautiful Amerindian seed bead work? All post-contact because before trade with Europe, they didn't have beads, only shells and natural-dyed material like porcupine quills or feathers. And all the crazy Europeans wanted for the most part was a bunch of stupid furs? Score! (Contrary to the DancesWithWolves mythology, most natives had zero problem with mass hunting and were not religiously hung up on "use every scrap".)
** If human history is any telling, the Buffalo Tribe probably won't do well at all. I can't speak for the natives in the United States, but here in Canada, have they not become a bit of a "thorn"? People know about them, yet no one really cares, in spite of the unethical treatments they've been put through (that's putting it mildly). I think that this episode was meant as a bit of a metaphor for cultural crashes in general, rather than a specific example. That said, give them credit for taking a bold move by actually doing something so close to reality. The conclusion, however, may in fact be an honest mistake. Then again, even if they did, how much of that can you translate into a show primarily watched by a young audience?
*** The fact that the battle between the two civilizations involved apple pies being used as weapons suggests that this is meant to be a sanitized expy of North American history, not a literal telling. The producers were trying to use the backdrop of Manifest Destiny to make a statement about unity between cultures WITHOUT having to face the bitter reality that actually came from such a thing. Because, you know, it's a kid's show. Just think of a politically correct version of the Old West where everyone learned to respect each others' cultures and population growth is kept to a minimum, and you'll get the idea.
*** My political science nerd and recent pony convert has a theory that actually fits better than the obvious settlers/Native Americans one. The pony settlement is Israel, the buffalo are the West Bank, the apple trees are the settlements. The solution? The same as the most logical for the Israel-West Bank situation; removal of the settlements that interfere with Palestinians and shared access to Jerusalem (the apple pies).
** I think that the settler/Indian aesthetics weren't intended to parallel the historical events too closely; this show is aimed at elementary schoolers after all. The message isn't a historical statement, the point was that all the problems could have been avoided if the two sides had been willing to talk things out and come to a compromise rather than just fight over the land. It was stated in episode that both sides had valid reasons for claiming the land, after all. Not to mention that there's a pretty solid layer of RuleOfFunny over the whole thing that makes reading too much into a bit of a problem.
** Considering that it's more of a BroadStrokes version of history, it's pretty obvious that it's really a "get-along-with-one-another-talk-out-your-differences-dammit" Aesop cloaked in a settlers vs. natives appearance. They probably just picked that one because they wanted to play with lots of Western tropes.
** Im sorry, but is this even really possible to discuss? Accusing a show about a highly advanced magical equine race living in a manually controlled planet full of hervibores because one of the cultures looks somewhat like one of our own and don't follow our own templates. No offense to Historical Bluff, but I mean, why would anybody accuse research failure in a SugarBowl show so ''bizarre'' and alien to our own? Why would you need even to "defend" or make excuses that their history is not a carbon copy down to the last molecule of our own?. Why would you even expect it? Im sorry, but there is nitpicking and just plain sillyness and stick up the ass and yeah, is not like the relationship of the western front and the Indians... so what? They are talking horses who managed to construct a complex society with hooves and psychic sparkles and use bakery as weaponry against gigantic dragon worshiping spiritual buffalos... boy, it really sound flat out weird when you said out loud, ha?
*** Yes, it is possible to discuss.
** In what way is this an analogy for either Canadian or American history? Yes, IRL there were dealings between natives and non-natives that ended poorly for the natives, but that's not what happened in the show. In the show, the buffalo get to stampede like they used to and they get some free apples to go with it, and meanwhile the settlers get to maintain their way of life. Who loses out on this? It's a fair deal for both sides. Just because processed food and alcohol contributed to Native American troubles IRL does not mean that the buffalo are somehow going to suffer because of their newfound access to apples; why would they? It's not like apples are addictive or something. And just because they're ''eating'' a non-indigenous food doesn't mean they're ''dependent'' on it; obviously the buffalo have been managing to feed themselves before the deal was struck and there's no reason why they would lose that ability. (It's not like they were all corralled against their will onto some kind of reservation, which is what happened IRL to the Native Americans. And anyway the fact that I eat bananas doesn't make me dependent on banana-producing nations, etc. etc..) Referencing the human rights abuses committed against real-life Native Americans is similarly ridiculous; there are no such abuses depicted on the show. The only wrong they suffered was the ''temporary'' loss of their stampeding grounds, which was resolved at the end. Again, this is not meant to be a retelling of actual history. If anything, it's a statement about what ''should'' have happened between natives and non-natives in the settler days.
** Would you have liked the episode more if it had ended with the ponies prevailing over the buffalo in a series of brutal wars and then forcing the buffalo onto reservations where poverty, crime, and alcoholism would all be endemic?
** I assume they're going to be decimated. The ponies have presumably had a good amount of time to adjust to a high-glucose diet, while the bison have just been introduced to apple pies. Type II diabetes is going to be just as much of a problem as alcoholism was IRL.



* Pinkie Pie's backstory in "The Cutie Mark Chronicles" irritated me. I don't seriously believe that Pinkie used to be gloomy. The Amish deal and the rock farm also strike me as weird. Then again, good ol' Pinkie could be making this all up.
** Actually the Amish thing does explain the gloom: She had a strict upbringing and while she probably was the same, being random and singing aren't things the Amish are known for. However the Rainbow caused her to let out all of the energy she had pent up and the party at the end was more a celebration for her family and their hard work than anything and told Pinky Pie she could be herself, and thus she got her mark.
** Just making something clear: being Amish doesn't make someone gloomy. Just because they have no need for fancy things like bright clothes and technology, it doesn't mean that they're devoid of fun.
** I learned that later, that was my lack of research. And to be fair they probably did have fun, and if her family didn't love each other, her story would have had a DownerEnding. And someone below pointed out the farming parts where the gloom came from, the rainboom just awakened the natural insanity that had been locked inside by hard work and focus on her duties.
** Just because Amish are allowed to have fun doesn't mean that this particular Amish (or Amish-esque) family had fun very often. Maybe they were all fairly gloomy from farming rocks (as others have pointed out.) And anyway, it's not that hard to imagine that Pinkie Pie was once gloomy; in fact that makes it kind of inspiring when she turns her whole life around.
** She totally made it up. She tells the story differently every time, like how the Joker talks about his scars.
*** "You wanna know how I got this cutie mark?"
*** Man, Pinkie Pie is that universe's Joker. That explains sooo much.
*** ''{{Cupcakes}}''. Oh dear Celestia, it explains frigging ''Cupcakes''.
** "Magic Duel" shows Trixie working for Pinkie's father on the rock farm, so it seems to be at least partially true.
** I assumed the gloom came from the "rock farm" part of her life, not the Amish part.
** Rule of Funny.
** The events of Magic Duel and Pinkie Pride prove her story as canon. Besides, after Party of One, is it seriously ''that'' out there to assume Pinkie had a gloomy period in her life? Even the most optimistic people can be extremely sad, you know.



* Why would anyone think that the "Cupcakes" fanfic would end up being real in this episode? Do those people fail to realize you can't get away with blood and gore on a TV-Y show? All Pinkie did was believe her friends didn't like her, and the only harm she did was slam her ass on Rainbow Dash's face when she refused to come with her. But there certainly weren't any LudicrousGibs to speak of.
** I don't think anyone seriously believed Pinkie was going to start slicing into her friends. The plethora of "CUPCAKES IS CANON!" remarks that came up after that episode seemed largely tongue in cheek.

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* Why would anyone think that the "Cupcakes" fanfic would end up being real in this episode? Do those people fail to realize you can't get away with blood and gore on a TV-Y show? All Pinkie did was believe her friends didn't like her, and the only harm she did was slam her ass on Rainbow Dash's face when she refused to come with her. But there certainly weren't any LudicrousGibs to speak of.
** I don't think anyone seriously believed Pinkie was going to start slicing into her friends. The plethora of "CUPCAKES IS CANON!" remarks that came up after that episode seemed largely tongue in cheek.



* Why is everybody so spooked by Pinkie's mad scene in "Party of One"? I thought it was adorable (in a TimBurton sort of way).
** Because seeing the [[GenkiGirl genkiest]] pony in Ponyville turn woobie and rather psychotic is slightly freaky?
** She wasn't psychotic. Psychotic = AxeCrazy. She was just nuts.
*** She wasn't breaking out the axe yet, but she was displaying a whole laundry list of symptoms for various psychotic disorders.
**** I must interject that psychotic has nothing to do with being violent or Axe Crazy. This is a terrible misconception. 'Psychotic' just means 'out of touch with reality'. In this way, Pinkie really was being psychotic. However, psychosis does NOT lead to being murderous (necessarily).
** It was mostly the face twitches and eye-derps. if you leave those out, she's just a sad little girl having a pretend party with her "dollies.".... silly and childish and perfectly in character for her. It's the spastic twitches and staring off into space that move it from cute and funny to really effin' disturbing.
** Cupcakes. A horrible fanfic that many members of the fandom have read has caused many to think Pinkie Pie is a serial killer. This episode made many people believe that it was canon.
*** It's pitiful when a piece of (''bad'') fan faction can color people's perception of a canon episode. Insane or not, Pinkie is an adorable pony and no threat to anybody.
*** Some of us have never read (or have any interest in) ''Cupcakes''. Even her friends were terrified of her in this episode.
*** Her friends seemed more weirded out than terrified.
*** "Weirded out" is the typical emotion Pinkie Pie inspires in her friends on a good day. You can see it at the beginning of the episode, when she's singing their invitations. That look of shock and vauge horror in their eyes, that's pure Pinkie. That's love. Genuinely disturbed/frightened came later.
*** Sure, they were disturbed. But "terrified" is ''still'' a slight stretch.
*** One of your friends is not herself. She's abandoned you and started holding tea parties for inanimate objects. She reacts with open hostility when you try to remove her from her delusions. You ''should'' be disturbed by this. If seeing a friend like this would not disturb you, you are a ''bad friend''. Her friends were worried because there was a ''genuine cause for concern''.
** The scene was very much fun in a BlackComedy kind of way, but even with no indication Pinkie was going to hurt anyone else, it was very dark in another way. ''She'' was in terrible emotional agony that she was trying to cover up with all that, and the results seemed to be damaging to her psyche and social behaviour. Poor thing.
*** ...why the hell would people think Cupcakes would be canon? This is a TV-Y show, you're not supposed to show LudicrousGibs on a show that little kids (and their parents) can watch, despite the other bits of [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar crap that already got through.]] This is My Little Pony, not {{Saw}}.
**** "...why the hell would people think Cupcakes would be canon?" Because people are screwed up sometimes.
** To this troper at least, the speed of Pinkie's transition from normal hyperactive happy to bleak hopelessness and then back again was rather jarring (despite being PlayedForLaughs). It's even remarked upon by Pinkie herself that the other had been avoiding her just "all day." Mood swings that severe and that fast can accompany some forms of Bipolar disorder, making the episode rather uncomfortable at times.
** Pinkie just became an AccentuateTheNegative grump. If you want something really scary, try Twilight in Episode 29; she effectively mind controls the entire town and makes them fight each other over a doll.

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* Why is everybody so spooked by Pinkie's mad scene in "Party of One"? I thought it was adorable (in a TimBurton sort of way).
** Because seeing the [[GenkiGirl genkiest]] pony in Ponyville turn woobie and rather psychotic is slightly freaky?
** She wasn't psychotic. Psychotic = AxeCrazy. She was just nuts.
*** She wasn't breaking out the axe yet, but she was displaying a whole laundry list of symptoms for various psychotic disorders.
**** I must interject that psychotic has nothing to do with being violent or Axe Crazy. This is a terrible misconception. 'Psychotic' just means 'out of touch with reality'. In this way, Pinkie really was being psychotic. However, psychosis does NOT lead to being murderous (necessarily).
** It was mostly the face twitches and eye-derps. if you leave those out, she's just a sad little girl having a pretend party with her "dollies.".... silly and childish and perfectly in character for her. It's the spastic twitches and staring off into space that move it from cute and funny to really effin' disturbing.
** Cupcakes. A horrible fanfic that many members of the fandom have read has caused many to think Pinkie Pie is a serial killer. This episode made many people believe that it was canon.
*** It's pitiful when a piece of (''bad'') fan faction can color people's perception of a canon episode. Insane or not, Pinkie is an adorable pony and no threat to anybody.
*** Some of us have never read (or have any interest in) ''Cupcakes''. Even her friends were terrified of her in this episode.
*** Her friends seemed more weirded out than terrified.
*** "Weirded out" is the typical emotion Pinkie Pie inspires in her friends on a good day. You can see it at the beginning of the episode, when she's singing their invitations. That look of shock and vauge horror in their eyes, that's pure Pinkie. That's love. Genuinely disturbed/frightened came later.
*** Sure, they were disturbed. But "terrified" is ''still'' a slight stretch.
*** One of your friends is not herself. She's abandoned you and started holding tea parties for inanimate objects. She reacts with open hostility when you try to remove her from her delusions. You ''should'' be disturbed by this. If seeing a friend like this would not disturb you, you are a ''bad friend''. Her friends were worried because there was a ''genuine cause for concern''.
** The scene was very much fun in a BlackComedy kind of way, but even with no indication Pinkie was going to hurt anyone else, it was very dark in another way. ''She'' was in terrible emotional agony that she was trying to cover up with all that, and the results seemed to be damaging to her psyche and social behaviour. Poor thing.
*** ...why the hell would people think Cupcakes would be canon? This is a TV-Y show, you're not supposed to show LudicrousGibs on a show that little kids (and their parents) can watch, despite the other bits of [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar crap that already got through.]] This is My Little Pony, not {{Saw}}.
**** "...why the hell would people think Cupcakes would be canon?" Because people are screwed up sometimes.
** To this troper at least, the speed of Pinkie's transition from normal hyperactive happy to bleak hopelessness and then back again was rather jarring (despite being PlayedForLaughs). It's even remarked upon by Pinkie herself that the other had been avoiding her just "all day." Mood swings that severe and that fast can accompany some forms of Bipolar disorder, making the episode rather uncomfortable at times.
** Pinkie just became an AccentuateTheNegative grump. If you want something really scary, try Twilight in Episode 29; she effectively mind controls the entire town and makes them fight each other over a doll.



* Beside Rarity and Twilight, ''none'' of the core cast really could be excused of their atrocious conduct in the Galloping Gala. I mean, yeah it wasn't what they expected but what right does that give them to ruin the night for the rest of the guests? They were '' especially invited'' (i.e: excused), without really having earned the place to an exclusive party which is implied to be a very old tradition. Truly, they were pardoned because it was all a Plan of Celestia and nobody would dare to mess with the freaking Physical Goddess but still; the entire Aesop came very broken and warped, implying you could be a total ass (or a complete psychopath in case of Fluttershy) and ruin the night of the people around you if they don't meet your unreasonable expectations? Once again, Rarity was the peak of decorum and patience and her final explosion was more [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome than]] [[KickTheSonOfABitch justified]] but the rest of the cast acted like spoiled brats needing of a well deserved talk.
** They overreacted. Simple as that. Applejack had her heart set on getting money for helping out the farm, and when that didn't play out, she got upset and started doing things that clearly wouldn't work because she stopped thinking. Fluttershy lives for helping animals. If you suddenly proved useless at what you literally live for, how would you feel? Rainbow Dash had her heart set on spending time with the Wonderbolts. To have that torn away CONSTANTLY would be aggravating, I'm surprised she didn't come as close to swearing somepony out as a kids' show would allow instead of just trying little things. Pinkie simply expected something better and didn't think to stop and check out the surroundings.
** Maybe I need to watch it again, but I don't think Rainbow Dash and Applejack did anything inexcusable either. Okay, Rainbow Dash shouldn't have kicked that other pony into the air so she could rescue him, but other than that she didn't do anything wrong, and all Applejack did was bring in the cake that Pinkie jumped into. So you can blame it all on Pinkie Pie and Fluttershy.
*** Yeah, seriously this. While yes, I suppose you ''could'' make an arguement for Rainbow destroying that statue (even though it was an accident), all Applejack did was ''bake a freaking cake''. How the hell is that "atrocious behavior"?!
**** Applejack was more subdued, but her means of coercion before resorting to the cake ''were'' out of line. Just not egregiously so.
**** Rainbow Dash breaking the statue doesn't count at all. It's the one thing she ''didn't'' plan. She just saw an opportunity to be a hero and took her best shot at it.
*** Applejack's entire REASON for going to the Gala was wrong. She set up a food stand to sell her own cheap food directly in front of a fully-catered party, and when she naturally didn't sell anything she began pestering people to buy her apples regardless. It's like if the ice cream man decided to park outside of somebody else's party and kept blaring "The Entertainer" until he sold all of his ice cream. It's just rude.
*** You have to remember that this is ''Applejack'' we're talking about here. As we saw in Manehattan, she's not the best pony when it comes to knowledge of formal affairs, let alone the Grand Galloping Gala which she had never been to, which means she probably had no clue it would be a fully catered party also considering the fact that not all formal affairs are guaranteed to be catered. After all, the reason she didn't get much business isn't because she was being rude or appropriate, it's because she was serving common food, which with the exception of the Wonderbolts, most of the snobbish ponies just ignored. This is even lampshaded by [[{{Jerkass}} Prince Blueblood]] who bites into a free apple fritter and spits it out not because it doesn't taste good, but because he considers it "common carnival fare". It's not like Applejack had any idea that nopony there would like to give her food a chance, and she wanted to use the profit to help her family.
*** Rainbow Dash was trying to avert a disaster when she caught the statue - if she hadn't, it would have broken for certain. The pillars falling down can be blamed entirely on whatever lousy builder they hired from the DisasterDominoes School of Architecture. Fluttershy screwed up big time, but she was suffering from some sort of CMFIS-induced psychotic break which nopony, especially her, saw coming. Pinkie's behaviour was inexcusable, but honestly, she shouldn't have been left unattended at a formal occasion.
** I thought that was the moral of the episode: they all expected too much and ruined the night because of it. They should have just concentrated on having a good time with their friends. Although I agree the point gets blurred because Princess Celestia's forgiveness makes a KarmaHoudini out of all them.
*** Celestia's only being fair; she invited the Mane Cast to the Gala ''specifically because'' they would have no idea how to fit in and would therefore disrupt the proceedings entertainingly. She even says this explicitly. If that's why she brought them to the dance, she can hardly punish them for doing it. Even if she did get much, much more than she'd bargained for.
**** As a side note concerning Applejack, UrbanLegend claims that the hot dog stand outside the Stockholm City Hall does it's best business early and late in the evening on December 10th, i.e. before and after the Nobel Prize Gala, which is held there every year. Make of that what you will...
** Fluttershy also was okay, because if you loved animals, you would want them to love you.
** As for Pinkie Pie... well, you can't honestly expect [[CrazyAwesome PINKIE PIE]] to follow formalities. She's Pinkie Pie for a reason.

* Fluttershy going batshit insane at the GGG was hilarious and all, but has that particular moment tainted or completely destroyed her character? Will it be possible to think of her the same way once more? Granted, we'll have to wait until Season 2 to get a proper answer.
** It might help if they take an episode to explore WHY she flipped out, or to explain why her gift with animals failed so horribly... or maybe to show she wasn't herself, and that she's mortified/horrified at how she acted so badly. We're all allowed to have a day off our best.
** My guess is that we're all supposed to laugh about the gala and then forget about it. Chances are it won't be mentioned again next season unless the gala rolls around again. As for why the animals didn't like her, my best guess is that they don't like strangers. The only other explanation I can think of right now is that while the animals around Ponyville are essentially tame, these animals were wild. But that would be strange because animals in cities tend to fear humans (or in this case ponies) less, and presumably these animals are still being cared for by ponies.
** It's not like it hasn't happened to everyone else. The show loves to push these ponies until they break, and Fluttershy's so introverted and restrained that it was always likely to be very impressive in her case. The animals, not being native to the area are likely just very nervous around strange ponies, and Fluttershy (who's most unattractive flaw is her arrogance in her own abilities, see 'Stare Master', 'Suited for Success' and 'Bird in the Hoof') just started to become increasingly irrational as her ego collapsed around her (again, 'Bird in the Hoof').
*** It just seems so out of character for her. One would expect that being rejected by all the animals would cause her to become depressed, not the crazy bitch she briefly was. Some fans have joked that the Gala happened around Fluttershy's "[[AllPeriodsArePMS time of the month]]".
*** A fellow brony on my home forum explained as her having built up meeting the animals in the garden all year in her mind. In other words, she had difficulty accepting that things weren't going ''exactly'' as she'd dreamed. From this, we can reason that her natural ability with animals started slipping, for whatever reason - lack of focus, losing her usual demeanor, whatever. The less the situation matched her idealized dream, the more she started to fall apart, resulting in [[FanNickname Flutterage.]]
** I have several theories explaining her tantrum-
*** FreudianExcuse explanation: Fluttershy's special talent is her empathy with animals. That's what her cutie mark symbolises. She loves animals, but if she can't earn their love in return, it means that she's basically failed at her purpose in life, therefore, her life has no meaning. To suddenly fail at the main thing that you're good at can be pretty upsetting, to say the least.
*** Very Silly WildMassGuessing: The gardener offered her a drink of whiskey from a hip flask to cheer her up after her first attempt to befriend the animals failed. He kept giving her a drink after each failed attempt, leading to a drunken rampage by the end of the night.
*** This. Can this be canon?
*** Most likely explanation: RuleOfFunny. It was probably just an OutOfCharacterMoment played for laughs.
** But to answer the original question, I agree that it most likely won't be brought up again in canon. But we can still have fun with the meme it generated!
** Wasn't it said by WordOfGod that Princess Luna's transformation into Nightmare Moon was caused by "something or someone"? Maybe he/she/it was behind Fluttershy's breakdown...
*** Um...not everything negative is caused by evil forces. Otherwise, then I'd have to say that anyone rude IRL is possessed.
** Fluttershy strikes me as the kind of pony who, due to her incredible shyness, bottles her outspoken negative emotions inside. Then, when things really start to get irritating, it causes any bottled up anger to overflow.
*** Fluttershy seems to run on BewareTheNiceOnes -- look at what she does to the dragon and the cockatrice. Intimidation tends to be somewhat handicapped when your target has every ability to destroy you without even thinking, but it works. Oh, and I did see a fic somewhere that suggested the earlier idea. For one, Fluttershy had built up the idea of how things would go ... and for another, she wasn't actually ''using'' her special skill and ability to soothe creatures, thus shocking the hummingbirds out of humming and the buzzard out of buzzing.
** I just mentally filed the whole thing as an OutOfCharacterMoment. If the writers wanted Fluttershy to get that angry, the animals should have been ''jerks'', like biting her or throwing stuff at her or whatever.
*** Actually, when one does a close analysis of Fluttershy's character, and picks up on a couple hints, the 'Flutterrage' outburst doesn't seem like an OutOfCharacter moment, instead seems like a bad mixture of variables to produce a 'powder keg ready to blow' situation. Let's go over them:
####First off, as seen in 'Dragonshy,' 'Stare Master,' and 'Suited for Success,' Fluttershy can be very assertive, even borderline aggressive when pushed to the point that she's forced to come out of her shell of shyness, instead of just breaking down and crying, or something like that.
####Secondly, there have been hints that Fluttershy actually has an arrogant streak. These hints can be seen in her rant in 'Suited For Success' (most, if not all, of her rant was about the stitching and technical aspects of the dress, things she's really good at, giving little to no consideration to the fashion of the dress, which is what Rarity was concerned about) which she even ends with the stereotypical 'arrogant nose in the air' stance, her reason for agreeing to look after the CMC in 'Stare Master' (Fluttershy honestly believed that since she was great at taking care of animals, she would be great at taking care of children), and the fact she kidnapped Princess Celestia's sickly bird in 'Bird in a Hoof' (She took Philomena and tried to cure her, without even thinking out the implications of what she did, or that there was more to the strange bird than a simple sick bird). This aspect of her personality is normally kept in check by her kindness, as she doesn't want to hurt others' feelings.
####Thirdly, Fluttershy was following the 'advice' Twilight had given her in 'Bird in the Hoof' ("I just have to be more bold, like Twilight says." - Fluttershy, as she's setting up the stereotypical box and stick trap.) This is similar to when she did the 'hop-skip-and-a-jump' in 'Feeling Pinkie Keen.' Pinkie had given that advice all the way back in 'Dragonshy' but at the time, Fluttershy didn't take it in.
####Fourthly, there is the common pattern and fan-theory of Cutie Mark Failure Insanity Syndrome (or CMFIS for short) in which, whenever a pony's special talent comes into question (like when Fluttershy has trouble getting animals to love her) it can trigger a breakdown that causes the pony's personality to temporarily become the opposite of what it normally is.
**** So in conclusion, all these factors, combined with the general high expectations of the night, made for a recipe for disaster. So the writers weren't putting Fluttershy in an OutOfCharacterMoment for fun and plot, but where stacking the variables so that it would make the deepest and darkest parts of who Fluttershy is explode out.
** The problem with her behaviour obviously stems from how it didn't get enough buildup. There wasn't a whole episode to explain it (or what caused the factors that caused it) like for, say, Pinkie Pie's psychosis. I assume it would have made sense if fully explained.
** ...That said, some of the explanations here almost seem to make it make less sense. For example, Fluttershy taking in the CMC or Philomena seems more naivety than arrogance, and not even based on unreasonable assumptions, since she usually just ''is'' freakishly good with all sorts of critters. (And really, the problem is that the critters on those occasions are willfull and "intelligent"; animals may be sort of intelligent in this series, but they react much more simply regardless. Except Angel, and, though he likes Fluttershy, she can't just wrap him around her hoof with her natural charm, either.) That same assumption is certainly present in "The Best Night Ever", but is it arrogance? This, of course, makes the biggest question just why those animals don't automatically fall for her. And, again, an excuse would have been easy to come up with with some time for buildup.
** I tend to think it had something to do with how unfamilure she is with the situation. Think about it, really the only ones she's really comfortable with meeting for the first time is animals, and they suddenly start ignoring her after she'd dreamed of being able to hang out with them. Unlike other times, her friends ''aren't'' there, they're all inside the Gala, somewhere that Fluttershy would probably be very uncomfortable, what with all the people she doesn't know (remember how shy she was when she met Twilight, she could barely speak above a whisper). As mentioned, she's somewhat naive, to her, all she needs to do to get them to like her is try harder, she's never really met an animal that ''didn't'' like her before, outside ones that were causing major trouble. It's been shown that when she gets mad, she's snapped before, but those times it was to an enemy. This time, her anger and frustration was directed to someone she wanted to befriend really hard, so letting it out in that fashion wasn't an option. The whole night was just a compounded amount of things she'd never experienced before, she really had no idea how to deal with it, which probably put a huge amount of stress on her. It's actually not uncommon for someone to go temporarally crazy when confronted with a massive amount of stress and in a situation they have no idea how to react to. When you really think about it, the whole situation was nearly custom made to make Fluttershy snap.
** Two points on Fluttershy's breakdown: One: Cutie Mark Insanity Syndrome. Two: Meta. It was actually a mini-version of what happened to Luna when she became Nightmare Moon... all she wanted was to be loved by creatures she showed kindness to, and instead she was fled from and shunned. It's possible this might have been a foreshadowing of her having a bonding moment with the moon princess in season 2.
*** As to "why her gift with animals failed so horribly," I think many people are overlooking the obvious: most of the time, she is helping animals. She feeds them, tends their injuries, protects them, wakes them from their hibernation, even reassures them when they are frightened, etc. They love her in no small part because of what she does for them. At the gala, she simply shows up in the royal gardens and expects to be loved.
*** Agreed. I always figured the animals' flippancy was supposed to be analogous to the way the ''actual'' Gala guests treated the common folk, as if to suggest "arrogant royals, from the king himself right down to the animals in the courtyard, are arrogant royals." Or... [[WildMassGuessing maybe not]].
** Her breakdown was gradual. First, she simply flies up to them in her usual cheery excitement, and when they flee she mutters sadly; "Oh Fluttershy, you're such a loudmouth." Then she sadly says; "This isn't what I wished for." Hence she joins in with the Mane Six's vow to make this the best night ever. Then she sets up a trap so that she can catch one, telling herself "I just have to be more bold like Twilight says." She even tries to be her usual reassuring self when she thinks she's caught one, but is annoyed when it fails. Then she starts clumsily chasing them, highly annoyed and stomping and shouting at them. Then she sets a ''trap'' for them, which [[HoistByHisOwnPetard she falls into herself]], which can't be good for her temper. Then the infamous stampede and the line: "You're going to LOVE ME!" That's her idea of being assertive, which then gets sidetracked by her increasing frustration, and so she takes it out on the animals who are starting to be less amusing and more annoying to her. It's not like we've ever seen Fluttershy get properly riled over something she ''really'' wanted to do before and which wasn't this personal to her. HiddenDepths, that one.
** Plus, who has she got as a role model for being assertive and bold? Twilight? Think "Feeling Pinkie Keen" and "A Bird in the Hoof". Rainbow Dash? Think LeeroyJenkins meets BrutalHonesty. Honestly, rewatch Fluttershy's scenes and imagine she's mimicking one of them two as her role model for being bold.



* Is Blueblood really that much of a jerk? He wanted the same thing as Rarity, really; to be fawned over for being special. Rarity is only mad at him because he's demanding the same things of her that she wants from him. Does it really come down to gender roles?
** Well, let's see. Ignoring the fact that he was being very rude to her, he insulted Rarity's good friend Applejack and used Rarity as a HumanShield. That's pretty jerky. He never once gave a thought to how his date was doing or check on her after being hit by a door or what have you. The two of them are similar, yes. But Rarity is generous, hard-working, and a good friend. Blueblood is none of these things. I think part of the reason Rarity comes to hate Blueblood so much is because Blueblood is basically herself without her redeeming qualities.
** Being a royal usually means being rich. Yet he makes Rarity pay for a treat that he quickly spits out and decides to go to the (presumably) free meal offered inside without leaving her a chance to even grab something for herself! Good thing Applejack was generous with her friend!
*** Rarity ''would'' have paid for it, but Applejack gave it to her free of charge.
** Rarity likes to be fawned over, but she's also a good person. Remember how she worked so hard to make free dresses for her friends in that other episode, for instance. Blueblood would never work hard for anybody, far as I can tell.
** It's called ''noblesse oblige''; the idea that those in privileged positions have a countervailing obligation to act honorably and responsibly. Rarity does her best to live up to that trope despite not actually being nobility; Blueblood is a walking negation of it despite having been handed high noble status just for being born. (As opposed to, oh, Celestia, who is the walking incarnation of ''noblesse oblige''.)
** Frankly, gender and other roles do seem to play a part. But even without that, Blueblood is so self-obsessed he barely even sees anyone else even when he's interacting with them. Even when being told off royally by Rarity, all he seemed to register was that she was messy. Everything around him was just an accessory to himself.
** He also has no sense of romance. When he points out the roses to Rarity, his action is not to woo her but to pin it to his own chest. He also makes her put down her cloak so that he can step over a puddle, and makes her open a door for him. These are all signs that he thinks ItsAllAboutMe, practically the defining attribute of a {{Jerkass}}.
** Having no sense of romance is hardly a genuine fault, and Rarity was just as self-centered in those two instances, insisting that he put down ''his'' cloak and open the door for ''her''. Blueblood is a {{Jerkass}}, no doubt, but gender roles ''definitely'' come into play.
*** OK, I'll throw my hands up: having no sense of romance isn't a fault. It does have a lot to do with gender roles.
*** I've always liked the fanon that Blueblood was deliberately [[{{Troll}} screwing with her]], because he knows what she's here for and having dealt with countless other mares with the same vapid dream, refuses to play the part.
** Rarity is defined by her generosity. If Blueblood had offered to pay for the food, Rarity might well have insisted that she pay anyway, but instead 'he expected her to do so from step one'. Likewise, he couldn't be generous in words or even in with something as inexpensive as a flower.
** There's also class disparity. Blueblood is probably always treated like royalty. Rarity had only just reached that level of opulence. She wanted one night when she could be treated like a lady, and all she got was a stallion who wanted her to treat him as more important. Rarity was upset, but at least it was kind of defensible on both sides (though Blueblood does come across as a downplayed EntitledBastard). Using her as a living shield, and then ignoring her TheReasonYouSuckSpeech because he was worrying too much about getting his mane messy, was just inconsiderate.
** In this Troper's opinion, there's an additional element that makes Blueblood's behavior much worse. Most of what he did was petty annoyances, but the CONTEXT made it much worse because he was "leading Rarity on." He was polite to Rarity and intentionally gave off an impression that he wanted Rarity's company when they first met, even if only so Rarity could flatter him. THEN he treated her like trash. If he hated Rarity's company he had the option to tell her, "Please leave. I'm not the stallion you think I am. I'm actually a jerk." Rarity probably would have been crushed but understood and taken it like a mare. Instead, Blueblood kept Rarity around and used her crush on him to make her wait on him hand and foot. So it's not so much some specific thing Blueblood did that made him so awful, it's the fact that he had better options for how to behave and didn't take them.
*** Also, coming from this same Troper, there's something else: Most of what Blueblood did was rude in a petty manner...except that's a lot of "most." Meaning, he was rude the whole time! If someone you care about uses you as a shield to block a cake once, you could chalk that off to him being in a bad mood. But if he does that after spending the entire evening engaging in petty but jerkish behavior, that involves an "underlying mindset" that no one matters but himself. Just like, for example, if your boss insults you once, it's an off day, but if he insults you every single day for little to no reason, he's probably a dominating tyrant.
** Rarity and Blueblood both acted like self-centered, attention seeking jerks the entire time they were together. Who knows how long they would've argued over who'd pay for the apple fritters if Applejack hadn't given them for free? If Blueblood was worse, it wasn't by much. Rarity's rant, while valid, was a bit hypocritical and the episode didn't seem to acknowledge that.
*** Having rewatched the episode, it's actually ''Blueblood'' who initiates the contact with Rarity; Rarity makes herself visible to him, but he's the one who came over to talk to her, which implies that he was either interested or trying to appear such. It wasn't like Rarity was hanging on him or anything; he definitely gave her the idea that he was interested in her company when he wasn't. If he didn't want her around, he could have just ignored her. Going by what we see, it looks like he's specifically approaching her an leading her on solely so she can stroke his ego.

* At the beginning of "Best Night Ever" , Rarity pulls her charms on some boys and they pull the cart. Really? Way to be subtle about the males being pretty unnecessary as the literal workhorse. I thought Faust was trying not to do this and that we don't have to worry about a SlidingScaleOfGenderInequality. Why were the guys treated in such a manner?
** Well, they mentioned they were her neighbors. Given how generous Rarity is, it's not that hard to take it as the men paying back a favor.
** Also, when Spike treats them like real-life workhorses, they immediately protest against it. As with the carriages in "Over a Barrel", the concept is played for laughs.
** This troper saw it more like playing with the stereotype of guys always being willing to help attractive lady with something including physical labor, imagine a woman asking her neighbours to carry her sofa to the second floor or something. Nothing too offensive about that.
*** In a way it also sets up Rarity's expectations for her interactions with Prince Blueblood, which does not go nearly as planned.
** It's a clear play of the stereotype, I don't see how that can be denied. But what I ''also'' don't see is how anyone can construe it as offensive - it's a joke, deal with it. Besides, when Spike whips them, they ''glare back'', as [[DontExplainTheJoke workhorses are literally people in this world]]. If Rarity's charms send an anti-male message, then this certainly sends a pro-male one in response - "do not treat us like beasts to be kicked around."
** Why the worry? They're doing her a favour, not being abused. It was a one-off event, after all - if she exploited stallions regularly, which she doesn't, then there might be grounds for complaint.
** I got the impression that pulling someone's carriage is the equivalent of driving someone somewhere. Sure, in that case, there's actual physical labour involved, but it doesn't seem to be too extreme. The real life equivalent would be that the girls rented a limousine and asked the guys to drive them because they can't do it themselves in their fancy get-ups. It's not the equivalent of carrying them in a litter.



* Am I the only one who had a serious [[WhatTheHellHero What The Hay Princess]] moment with Celestia? She invited the mane cast KNOWING THAT THEY WOULD RUIN THE GALA!! Maybe she wasn't expecting them to go as far as they did, but judging by her reaction at the end of the episode; what happened was well within her expectations. I know that she personally hated the gala, but what about the other guests who were probably enjoying themselves? She ruined their night and put them in danger all because she felt bored.
** Like you said, Celestia most likely had no way of knowing they'd go that far. Also, RuleOfPerception. We're not really given insight into most of the party-goers, and the few that are given focus are portrayed unsympathetically, with the exception of the Wonderbolts. Still, it doesn't explain everything else you mentioned, so I'm assuming that the writers just didn't want you to look that closely. While it's a very unsatisfying answer, I don't think there's a better one then "it's just a show, I should really just relax."
** Most likely, Celestia was under the impression that the ponies would stay as a group and have a good time. They probably would have upset the other guests just the same being loud and stuff, and that was how she planned to have things spiced up.
** Exactly, I feel like it was just a case of GoneHorriblyRight. Celestia wanted them to spice things up a bit, but had no way of knowing that would happen. Did she kind of enjoy the excitement? Probably yes. But it probably wasn't what she intended.
*** She may have seen it developing and gone SureWhyNot?
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** The events of Magic Duel and Pinkie Pride prove her story as canon. Besides, after Party of One, is it seriously ''that'' out there to assume Pinkie had a gloomy period in her life? Even the most optimistic people can be extremely sad, you know.



*** She's Pinkie, of course she's going to be a CloudCuckoolander. What do you expect? Besides, the events of Magic Duel and most recently Pinkie Pride prove she was telling the truth.



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** Maybe Celestia's just...you know, not a jerk. She might not like it, but she realises that her guests do, and she's not the type to inconvenience and/or disappoint what looked to be hundreds of ponies just because she's bored for one night of the year.
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* Why didn´t Fluttershy at least question Pinkie´s random pop-ups? If you look closely at the scenes in which she appears from beneath the sponges and apples, you´ll notice that she jumps back in surprise. Whyd didn´t she said anything about that? Granted, it wouldn´t really surprise her much to see Pinkie being Pinkie but still...
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** It was a (minor) health condition of the red dragon that caused him to produce the smoke, similar to how some people snore and some don't. The green dragon doesn't have this problem, therefore he poses no threat to the ponies.
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** The [[WatsonianVersusDoylist Doylist]] explanation is that the episode was made long before the fandom and its obsessive focus on background "extras" existed. They simply didn't know that anyone watching would recognise this random character as a generic model they used to fill in the background.
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*** It just seems so out of character for her. One would expect that being rejected by all the animals would cause her to become depressed, not the crazy bitch she briefly was. Some fans have joked that the Gala happened around Fluttershy's "[[MenstrualMenace time of the month]]".

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*** It just seems so out of character for her. One would expect that being rejected by all the animals would cause her to become depressed, not the crazy bitch she briefly was. Some fans have joked that the Gala happened around Fluttershy's "[[MenstrualMenace "[[AllPeriodsArePMS time of the month]]".
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** There's also the fact that Celestia dislikes it primarily because she's had to go through it hundreds of times. Your average pony doesn't have to; even someone who went the majority of their life would maybe end up going about 60 times total, which might not be enough for it to really get boring. Not to mention that unlike Celestia, most other ponies are free to mingle and socialize, which is probably far more interesting and enjoyable than shaking hooves for four hours.
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** Two possible explanations I can come up with for poor Twilight's [[HumiliationConga physical hell]] are either just pure bad luck or her own skepticism leading her in the wrong direction, the latter of which is rather deep when you think about it.

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**** Not that it matters getting across the gap, but "Hurricane Fluttershy" shows that she is by far the weakest flier in Ponyville. More relevant is that she loses her ability to fly when in a distressed state of mind.



** [[Manga/OnePiece Haki of the Supreme King]], of course. Fluttershy is one of the 0.001% who can use it. She just needs some training from Silvers Rayleigh to be able to faint a whole room.



** Sweetie Belle is just that bad at making sets. Considering her knocking over a roll of yarn in "Stare Master" practically turned Carousel Boutique inside out, it seems to be a character quirk of her to produce exaggeratedly large amounts of destructive kinetic energy.




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*** We also have a gang of (physically and mentally) teenage dragon thugs in "Dragon Quest." They seem to hang out largely separately from the adult dragons, though it neither supports nor disputes the idea that dragons don't raise their own offspring. This does show that some dragons will socialize with other dragons of roughly their age, however.


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\n** The whole scene doesn’t make sense to me! Suddenly, Rarity seems to be a hack who doesn’t know the basics of sewing. Suddenly, her original designs, which are later described as “perfect,” genuinly suck and are in need of improvement. Suddenly, one of Rarity’s friends gives valid, informed criticism. This goes completely against the rest of the episode!
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** Well the show does have a more old timey and golden age-y feel, so I'm guessing that falls under FreeRangeChildren. It was fairly common once to put a kid, even quite young children, on a train with strict instructions on which stop to get off at and where to go when they did. These days it is horrendous, but even three decades back it wasn't uncommon.
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* Why in Equestria would Big Mac and Granny Smith let Filly!AJ go to Manehatten by herself? She's just a little foal, and from what we've seen, her siblings care for her a lot! Plus, according to the Official Map, Manehatten is miles away from Ponyville.

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* Why does France exist in Equestria?
** Because they blew it all up. God damn them all to hell.
** MostWritersAreHuman. It's done for a gag, not as a world-building exercise.
** The character of Photo Finish suggests that not all ponies have the same native language and actual French is spoken by Apple Bloom in a later episode, so I think it's safe to assume that Equestria/the world of ponies (I'm still not sure if the word "Equestria" refers to their entire world or just a single country/continent within a world) contains FantasyCounterpartCultures for at least France and Germany (as well as buffalo as Native Americans and zebras as Sub-Saharan Africans).

* Lyrics for "Art of the Dress" include the line: "Rainbow won't look like a tank..." So, they have [[TankGoodness tanks]] in Equestria? More SchizoTech! Minor, I know, but it ''bugs'' me.
** That line was interesting, to say the least. However, once we do get to see Rainbow Dash wear her 'dream' outfit, something more reminiscent of a royal guard's armor than an actual dress, the line could be seen as clever foreshadowing.
** Maybe she means [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_tank water tank]] which, in fact, is where the military term 'tank' comes from anyway because when they first appeared the vehicles were passed off as water tanks to fool the enemy side. It isn't unreasonable to believe water tanks exist in Equestria.
** ''Of course'' Equestria has tanks. It's pretty easy to stop a pony charge with some trenches and barbed wire. If the ponies are to effectively make war against a fortified enemy, they pretty much ''need'' vehicles.
** It seems even weirder now that Rainbow Dash [[spoiler: has a pet tortoise named Tank.]]

* As much as I can understand the second line of dresses being so ugly because ponies apparently have no taste in clothes, why did Fluttershy's dress turn out so awful if her request was supposedly based on the sketch of perfectly fine "French haute-couture" dress she showed to Rarity?
** Rarity probably made it like that--then Fluttershy decided to make it more nature-y, I guess 'till the point it turned out to be a ugly dress with eggs as a hat.
** Judge for yourself:[[http://i54.tinypic.com/34yd5z5.jpg Exhibit A]]; [[http://i56.tinypic.com/v4q6qb.png Exhibit B]].
*** I judge it a 3-2 victory for Rarity's designs on humanized Ponies. I think the human versions of Rainbow and Twilight pull the looks off better than the pony versions. Rarity's dress wasn't judged because there is no quote-unquote "ugly" version of it.
** How much of [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_g8VfdWzt6tQ/S9HR6HNU0rI/AAAAAAAAAPo/Hy_bISB1-dU/s1600/dior-haute-couture-ss-2007-500x3282.jpg French haute couture]] ISN'T hideous and overdone (that's Dior in the photo, btw)
*** Not a bad point. See also [[http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/beatrice-hat-460.jpg Princess Beatrice's hat]].
** The sketch seems to be in Rarity's drawing style, so I would assume that was one of her standard example sketches and not a representation of Fluttershy's specific request. The end result ''is'' probably due to some target drift from the original concept, though.
** The whole concept of "French Haute Couture" bothers this troper. So is there a pony parallel to France? Prance?
** As for French Haute Couture, I think it's simply a name, having nothing to do with France or the French. I think it's just the name for the style, a bit like saying something is Steampunk or Victorian.
*** Alternatively, it's actually spelled French OAT Couture in MLP'verse, and has to do with something called "french oats" which is a plant that is edible and can also be used to make fabric (hey, in the real world, [[http://www.ecofashionworld.com/Glossary/Milk-Fabric.html they have figured out how to make fabric from milk]]) and the style is absurdly "nature"-y which would explain how it came out so ridiculous.
** Doylist answer: MostWritersAreHuman. Watsonian answer: the ponies simply have a word ("French") which by pure coincidence can be used like ours.

* Pretty minor compared to some other questions, but in Rarity's "Art of the Dress" song reprise (when she's making the dresses to her friends' specifications), the rest of the girls mention "making sure it stays within our budget". What? Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't their gowns a gift? You have no budget on a gift you're receiving!
** That line makes more sense if you interpret the entire episode as an extended metaphor for ExecutiveMeddling. But no, it doesn't make much sense otherwise.
*** It also acts to draw attention to the fact that there is something else going on than what appears on the surface, that is to say satire. If that's deliberate, it's arguably a clever idea.
** Could be that when doing the second round of dresses, Rarity set a 'budget' on each one to try to ensure they don't use too much of her supplies. She might be making gifts, but she still has a business to consider. And if she uses too much of her supplies on her gifts, then her actually business could be endangered.
*** More than likely they were just trying to find a rhyme since the last line ended with Fudge It.
** It was never specifically stated that the dresses would be free of charge (the word "free" itself is not used by anyone). The gift and the generosity lies in the effort and time needed to make the dresses. Being their friend, she probably wouldn't put any mark up on the finished product, but it would be reasonable to expect to be paid for the materials themselves. Otherwise, the rest of the Mane Six would be poor friends indeed.
** It seems more likely that the rest of the Mane Six have forgotten by this point that Rarity is actually making them ''gifts''. They're in the mindset of 'I'm the customer!', and what do customers want? To get things for a low price.

* So... what exactly ''is'' it that ponies are supposed to wallow in?
** Literally, mud or water. In the context of the scene, self-pity.

* So this might just be my not understanding fashion, but wouldn't the best solution of all be for the ponies to use the Rarity-designed outfits to impress the fashion bigwig and then actually ''wear'' the outfits ''they'' preferred?
** They changed their minds, either because they finally appreciated Rarity's designs themselves or because they didn't want to look silly at the Gala.
** Spike only told Rarity about Hoity Toity after she had made all the new dresses. At that point, only the dreadful dresses were available. Presumably, she quickly recreated the original dresses for Hoity Toity's "take 2".
** No, her friends didn't want to wear the beautiful dresses, remember? Rarity simply put them away until they were needed. I hardly imagine she'd destroy them and then recreate them, and nothing in the show indicates she did.

* Why did so many people grow to not be fond Fluttershy after this episode? Sure, she was pretty brutal commenting on her new dress, but it's not like it wasn't what exactly Rarity wanted. In fact, Fluttershy at least tried to pretend she liked the dress (even though she clearly didn't) and only finally burst into her rant - after lots of struggling and ''sweating'' - when Rarity basically pressed her against a wall, and she didn't seem very happy doing it either. And yet somehow this one short scene brought her more enemies and hate art than any other character from the main cast earned throughout whole series, like she did it on purpose just to hurt Rarity. To be fair, Rainbow Dash was much more mean to poor Rarity in this episode just by openly calling her a laughing stock at the worst possible moment (she was already going through a breakdown at the time) but not one person said a bad word about her because of that.
** Fans are weird like that? And I agree it's not fair. I love that episode dearly but for the former half of the episode, the girls were pretty flanky and self-absorbed towards Rarity, it's stupid that just Fluttershy got singled out.
*** It probably has something to do with the fact that BrutalHonesty is completely in character for Rainbow Dash; The issues with Fluttershy probably stem from the fact that she's normally so nice. It makes this one incident seem worse. But yeah, even then you can hardly blame her, given that Rarity was (literally) asking for it.
*** It also might have be the completely out-of-left-field knowledge of sewing that had never been hinted at, and the snooty *hmph* and leg-cross at the end of her rant. It just seemed off-character.
** There's also a fair argument that Fluttershy's behaviour towards Rarity during the second half of the song was worse than the others. The other ponies were simply trying to apply their own priorities to the dress (being practicality, coolness, accuracy, and whatever it is Pinkie Pie does), and while they're at fault for not listening to Rarity and respecting her expertise and her generosity, Fluttershy was outright telling Rarity "your sewing sucks, sew better".
*** She was nowhere near that blunt, and I would think most people would take it as useful constructive criticism, compared to the other four.
**** I didn't really hate Fluttershy for her behaviour in this episode (in fact, I haven't even thought of this before reading this Headscratcher), so here goes devil's advocate: To put a slightly different spin on the second respondent's argument, out of all Rarity's friends Fluttershy is the only one who displayed presumptions of fashion sense and knowledge of clothes-making. One would expect her criticism to actually be constructive and her dress to not turn out a disaster. Yet apparently her idea of French haute couture involves bird nests, quilts, and cellophane flowers. Perhaps if the writers made her ask for more "nature" in her dress, rather than give her "freaky knowledge" of sewing, it would have been easier to swallow.
*** Fluttershy could have offered the same criticism in a much less bitchy, patronizing tone. And she also just flat-out insulted Rarity by calling her hand-made dress "prêt-à-porter" ("off the rack").
*** My pick for worst behaved during the second montage is Pinkie Pie. Some pertinent quotes:
--> '''Pinkie''': Don't you think my dress would be more me with some balloons?
--> '''Rarity''': Um, well...
--> '''Pinkie''': DO IT!
--> ....
--> '''Pinkie''': More balloons! There's too many balloons! More candy! No, less candy! Ooh, I know: streamers!
--> '''Rarity''': Streamers?
--> '''Pinkie''': Whose dress is this?
--> '''Rarity''': Streamers it is.

** But Pinkie doesn't really have any episode center around her, all episode where she teach some lesson are other characters episodes.
** The closest Pinkie has to a spotlight episode right now is "Griffon the Brush-Off", and that's arguably more focused on introducing Gilda and her relationship with Dash. To be fair, Pinkie does seem to seriously consider Twilight's suggestion that she's just jealous -- but then Gilda [[KickTheDog kicks so many ponies]] in front of her that she's justified in giving her a HumiliationConga. Still, maybe that not-quite-learned lesson will come back in a later ep...
*** Nitpick: She didn't give her a HumiliationConga. She just threw a party, and Gilda set off pranks set by ''Rainbow'', who just intended for random guests, not necessarily Gilda, to trip.
** She learned a lesson about not suspecting the worst about your friends in "Party of One".
*** And a lesson about not judging people by first impressions in "Bridle Gossip".
*** A new episode for Season 2 has been announced that will be centred around Pinkie Pie: "Baby Cakes".


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[[folder:[=1.15=] Feeling Pinkie Keen]]

* How come Twilight went through so much pain just to disprove Pinkie's ability to predict the future yet she never raised an eyebrow about any of the other weird things she does on regular basis, like appearing in unusual places or defying laws of physics, which sure is even less scientific? Wouldn't "Oh well, so now Pinkie can predict the future too" be more natural reaction?
** Maybe Twilight can deal with Pinkie just being weird, but she was talking about fortune telling like it was a valid scientific discipline. We have seen many a time that Twilight does not like people talking rubbish about magic, which is fair enough considering it's her primary field of study.
** Twilight knows how magic works. Not only was there no visual "source" of Pinkie's predictions, she doesn't even have a horn, which is kind of required for doing magic. As such, she did not believe it was real and set out to debunk it. Of course, she ended up getting overwhelming evidence in the other direction.
** Well, Pinkie Pie DOES tell the Cutie Mark Crusaders that she's tell them how she got her cutie mark, after telling the story of her first party. Maybe they haven't revealed her [[ToonPhysics REAL power]]. For the [=LOLs=].
** It's conventional for characters not to notice certain oddities about the way their world behaves, when it does that just for the reason of being a cartoon. The convention is here extended even to a case where the rules are different for one character. It doesn't make sense, but deliberately ignoring it is just part of the rules.
** Possibly something to do with Pinkie herself being aware of her "Pinkie Sense" as something unusual (even though she doesn't care how it works)? She never says anything like "Oh, that's my Pinkie Space Warp ability, I use it to pop out of buckets and conjure popcorn!", for instance. There are some FridgeHorror implications to that thread of logic though...
** Well... it's just like [[Literature/HarryPotter Hermione's]] dismissal of Divination and her earlier dismissal of Zecora and curses, isn't it? Twilight won't believe in ''anything'' that can't be verified in books as 100% fact, just like Hermione. Hermione's opinion on Divination matches with Twilight's original opinion about Pinkie Sense.
** Two possible explanations I can come up with for poor Twilight's [[HumiliationConga physical hell]] are either just pure bad luck or her own skepticism leading her in the wrong direction, the latter of which is rather deep when you think about it.

* Just what ''is'' the moral of the story meant to be? I keep reading here and there that the creator was surprised when people interpreted the Aesop to be faith, but... what else is there? The only alternative I can even remotely come up with is "respect others' beliefs", except even that one would come out [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop kind of warped]], as the story ends with everyone else's beliefs imposed on ''Twilight''.
** My best guess of what they were going for is that Twilight should have just accepted her friends' explanation of the Pinkie Sense because they had known Pinkie for longer and she could trust them. There's also the fact that Twilight's approach to the whole situation was "I know I'm right and I'm going to prove it" rather than "I don't know what's going on and I'm going to find out". She cared more about proving Pinkie wrong than actually figuring out what was going on.
*** An explanation worthy of a Dear Princess Celestia prefix, thanks!
** No one imposed their beliefs on Twilight, she came to believe on her own, because of what was happening, not because of what anyone else said.
** The aesop was probably "don't deny what's in front of your eyes just because you don't understand how it works" or "don't get angry with your friends just because they can do things you can't". That said, the creators could have handled it better, not least of all by not giving Twilight such a hard time. It looked like the universe itself was punishing her for being sceptical.
*** Especially considering the poor girl took an anvil to the head! Obviously, she's tough, but that scene, funny as it was, was as hard to swallow as Pinkie's Pinkie Sense

* Was there room for that hydra under the bog? How long had it been living there, and what had it been eating?
** Doesn't seem to be many animals living there... probably it ate everything already.
*** Sure did; why else do you think there was so much frogless real estate at ''Froggy'' Bottom Bog? It makes Fluttershy apologizing to that frog a bit more chilling.
** Perhaps it can hibernate?

* Why didn't Fluttershy simply FLY across the canyon to escape the Hydra?
** She is not a strong flier.
** Like Twilight who forgot she could teleport across, Fluttershy forgot she could fly.
*** Or was too scared to even try, like what happened in "Dragonshy". She's a reasonably good flier, as are all pegasi, but it's never as natural for her as others.
*** As seen in "The Cutie Mark Chronicles", she needed to be "rescued" by a horde of butterflies when she fell from Cloudsdale. Even though she could have just flown. However, as mentioned earlier in that episode, she isn't a very strong flier at all. Plus, earlier in "Dragonshy", her wings locked up with fear--maybe they still "weren't working"?
**** Actually, she could fly normally just fine; if a gigantic beast is on her mind, she'll be too scared to continue.
***** This is probably the case since Fluttershy flew to the bog with the cart of frogs without any trouble.

* You know what ''really'' makes me scratch my head? The fact that so many people took an episode about acceptance and tolerance and somehow twisted the aesop into being the biggest direct attack on religion since [[FamilyGuy Not All Dogs Go To Heaven]]. Seriously, how can you even ''come'' to that conclusion? It makes no sense in context of the episode.
** According to WordOfGod, the aesop wasn't even about acceptance and tolerance, but the dangers of hubris. I think the unfortunate AccidentalAesop can be attributed to Twilight undergoing an extremely painful, over-the-top HumiliationConga in an effort to explain Pinkie's ability, and the episode's ending with her embracing it wholeheartedly, apparently abandoning all efforts to explain it. Hence, what seems to be a message of pro-dogmatism.
** What the hell is it with TV Tropes and NADGTH? That's like a new religion in its own right.
** Part of it seemed to be just unintentional wording and dialogue choices as well as minor plot elements. A big chunk of the plot was about trusting Pinkie versus Twilight wanting to find out why... rather than simply Twilight 'knowing better' and showing that in other ways (or wrapping the plot up in other ways). And to be fair, it's kind of hard to have this sort of situation without people projecting a religion vs. about it.
** Word choice didn't help much: "You've got to take a leap of faith" seems to have been designed precisely for such a misunderstanding.

* Do the writers honestly think science is dogmatic rather then just just sceptical in nature?\\
The {{Aesop}} at the end annoys me because it's presented as Twilight acknowledging that the limited view of the world she's been dogmatically clinging to all episode my not be all there is, the only problem with that is she's been talking about science all episode, and science doesn't just stick dogmatically to one and one only view of the world (at least it's not suppose to) it's just sceptical which doesn't mean I won't believe any thing, just that it will only say things with certainty if they've been "proven beyond reasonable doubt"
** Nobody ever said that science was wrong, just Twilight in this instance. Twilight wasn't acting like a scientist at all. She repeatedly ignored instances of "Pinkie sense" functioning out of an intent to prove herself right rather than actually gain understanding. Instead of trying to piece together what was actually happening, she went out of her way to "disprove" Pinkie simply because she didn't want to believe it. In other situations, her skepticism and research skills have proven to be great assets. It's just that this one time she was being stubborn and dogmatic, if only because Pinkie's premonition claims offended her because she viewed it as an insult to effort she put into her own magic. If this pattern was repeated, you'd have an argument. In this case, it's just Twilight being wrong thanks to being motivated by spite rather than the pursuit of knowledge. Frankly it bothers me that people take everything so personally on this show. A character being wrong in one instance does not mean that the writers are against everything that character stands for.
*** The issue is Twilight acts as a very stereotypical strawman skeptic in the episode. [[AcceptableTargets Skeptics tend to get a particularly raw deal in most media]], and this episode seems to be a particularly bad example of one. While Twilight is acting in a way that a skeptic can sometimes act, as skeptics like all people are prone to bias (The entire point of skepticism being to do ones best to remove that bias), I found the episode offensive partially because of the media in general. For example, it's not offensive to have a single black character be a thug or criminal, but if 90% of blacks in the media were criminals, than every show that perpetuates that notion is going to be offensive. Twilight was just the latest in a long line of TV Skeptics acting in an extremely unskeptical way. If the portrayal of skeptics like this were more uncommon, the episode might have made a fine lesson about how no-one is immune to this kind of thinking. But instead, this episode simply perpetuated the stereotype of the arrogant and blind skeptic, whether it intended to or not. Also, the 'leap of faith' line REALLY didn't help. If you want to piss off a skeptic, try to extol the [[BerserkButton virtues of faith]] (as something other than a synonym for trust) to them. Lastly, Twilight gives up on understanding what could be an incredible discovery in the field of magic, and doesn't appear to forward the discovery to anyone else to study. A real scientist might give up on understanding something if she finds it too difficult to study further, but the idea of not putting the discovery out there for others to work on is nothing short of criminal. In short, it's likely that this episode was an unintentional perfect storm of things intended to drive a certain community of people absolutely crazy.

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[[folder:[=1.16=] Sonic Rainboom]]
* If the Sonic Rainboom produces rainbows, why are there rainbow factories? Do they simply synthesize the process by which a Rainboom makes a rainbow?
** Only 2 Sonic Rainbooms in last few years, we don't even know if there was more of it, so this is why they make rainbow in factories.
** Also a Sonic Rainboom just produces a blast wave, as the rainbow-colored contrail that came after the Rainboom was probably due to the fact Rainbow Dash's mane and tail are rainbow-colored. Kind of a magical after-image.
*** Can't be. Her mane and tail have the colours in opposing orders (mane has red on tip, tail has the violet). In Cutie Mar Chronicles, it definitely switches orders- Off her mane, it's red, orange, yellow, green, blue, purple, but in the air its clearly the other way around. Sonic Rainbooms make rainbows at the exact same time. Besides, Pinkie Pie specifically states that it makes a sonic boom and a rainbow at the same time. The answer to the first question is simply that Sonic Rainbooms are very hard to make, and making rainbows in the factory is much, much easier than having Dash do it every time. Plus, what happens when Dash dies? No more rainbows without liquid ones. Liquid rainbows are simply the easiest way to get one.

* How did Rainbow Dash and Fluttershy get the others into the weather factory? Is one of them related to the manager or something?
** I got the idea that it was run kinda like a chocolate factory. They'd have tours and such, and Rainbow Dash seems to be a major weather employee.
** LOL, Windy Wonky and the Chocolate Rain Factory.
*** Probably this, since Dash is in charge of the weather team in Winter Wrap-Up. She's probably one of the highest-ranking workers, despite being lazy.

* During the competition, the rest of the Mane 6 are shown in the stands, and Pinkie Pie is wearing a "We're #1" hand with finger extended. Why in the world would a pony be wearing a human hand, and more to the point, where would anypony have ever seen one in the first place?
** Two explanations. One: [[RuleOfFunny It's]] [[CloudCuckooLander Pinkie]]. Two: there's trade with races who have opposable thumbs, like Gryphons or Diamond Dogs or Dragons or some unseen other thumbed creature, and Pinkie has picked up expression. The finger may be more accurately a claw, but the foam dulls the edge. Edit: and with the existence of minotaurs confirmed, that adds to the list of fingered creaturs.

* Why didn't Celestia just fly down and rescue Rarity?
** She was on a throne, she was shocked, and just because her wings are the largest doesn't mean they're the fastest
** Most of the spectators probably thought it was just part of the act. Only the Wonderbolts were more savvy (probably because they were more experienced in recognizing an act from a true emergency.) When it became clear to Celestia that it was not an act the Wonderbolts were already flying to rescue Rarity, so she thought that her help was not needed. When the Wonderbolts were incapacitated they all were already so far that it would have been impossible for Celestia or anyone else to reach them anymore (except for the faster flier around, of course.)

* Why does Rarity get the lesson in a Rainbow Dash episode?
** Because when Twilight gave Rarity her wings, her ego was inflated and it kept Rainbow Dash from feeling confident. Although Rainbow Dash was gloating in the beginning, it was revealed to be a facade as she felt she wasn't confident enough to do the Sonic Rainboom. She spent the whole episode being nervous while Rarity was acting more egotistical than usual with her new wings, but at least Rarity apologized for her behavior at the end. The lesson is to always support and be there for your friends.

* The episode left a lot of information out about the Sonic Rainboom. Is RD the only one who can pull it off thanks to her mane color(s)? Or can other Pegasi perform a Rainboom? Does their mane color affect the Rainboom at all (for example, would Spitfire create a Sonic Fireboom)? What about Pegasi with manes that don't really have anything that fancy-looking (like the Pegasi who were hassling Dashie)?
* Why didn't Twilight cast the cloud-walking spell on Rarity? The spell isn't that hard to pull off, and it would have been a good failsafe- Twilight did say herself that the wings were delicate.
...For that matter, why do you think Pegasi can walk on clouds? I honestly want to hear other people's headcanons. I personally think that they have hollow bones and internal organs with helium in them.
** It's a standard property of all naturally flying creatures in the world Equestria is set in. Gilda walks on the clouds in ''Griffon The Brush Off'', and the birds perch on the clouds in ''May The Best Pet Win''.
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[[folder:[=1.17=] Stare Master]]

* How can Fluttershy not control her own stares? She says at the beginning of the episode that she has no control over them, but she uses them twice later, and both times it seems to be a deliberate ploy. Was she fudging the issue, or did she mean no self-control, like it was akin to getting angry?
** It's entirely possible that the Stare is requires subtle muscle movements that Fluttershy has never quite figured out to consciously control, especially given her [[ShrinkingViolet personality]]. Given her normal gift for animals and avoidance of confrontation, its likely that she simply isn't in situations that require it often enough to have any need or desire to learn.
** She's lying. She knows exactly how to initiate The Stare and can do so at will. Look at what she does with the chickens to get them back into the coop. The reason she lies about being able to use it is she doesn't want her friends to know that she can, if she ever feels the need, force them to comply with her will at any time.
*** That doesn't sound in-character for her, not least of all because she's usually so weak-willed that the other characters end up pushing her around.
** It wasn't necessarily intentional. Both times she uses it, she is trying to protect those under her care -- by getting the chickens back into their hen house where they'll be safe or by defending the Cutie Mark Crusaders from the Cockatrice. The Stare kicked in when it proved necessary to perform these tasks... but she reacted to a similar situation in much the same way without The Stare in "Dragonshy", even though it would certainly have helped. It wasn't '''necessary''', though, so it didn't kick in -- the sheer force of personality she can bring to bear when she has reason to was enough to intimidate the dragon all by itself.
* Heres a headscrather.. how heck does the stare work in the first place? I mean Pinkie senses just seemed like a logical extension of Pinkie's extra special awareness, but the stare doesn't really much sense to me. It could be considered a side of her animal ability, except it works on fricken dragons....
** What she uses on the dragon is never identified as The Stare, and indeed, it seems inconsistent with what we see when she's explicitly supposed to be using it. She just used sheer force of personality on the dragon. Word of God is that the Stare is weaponized MamaBear. When she's acting to protect someone -- even if that someone is the victim of The Stare -- she can pull off a DeathGlare so intimidating that '''nothing''' can stand up to it.
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[[folder:[=1.18=] The Show Stoppers]]
* ''Show Stoppers,'' ''Show Stoppers,'' [[BerserkButton Show Stoppers.]] It's one thing to recognize the things you have an affinity for. It's another to actively pigeonhole someone, especially a child, into rejecting the things they aren't immediately good at. You do not openly ''cringe'' at three little kids who want to enter a talent show, even if it's clear they're going to bomb; you smile and encourage them to work hard at whatever they do. Twilight Sparkle's behavior was incredibly inappropriate.
** She was trying to help them get their cutie mark. I guess it just shows the truth of the aseop, 'you're just going to have to wait for it'.
** We're talking about a world where little school ponies have to discover what they will be wearing on their butts for the rest of their lives. It's not like our rules about upbringing would apply well in Equestria.
*** The entire point is to discover your true calling in life -- getting a [[strike: butt]] cutie mark is just a by-product that symbolizes that. And you're forgetting that this is, in the end, a kid's show with direct aesops...in this case, a rotten one.
** I think that cutie marks are open to interpretation. Rarity's mark is several gems, and she's a clothing designer. She could've just as easily been a jeweler or a diamond miner. But she isn't, despite her affinity for those things. She's still doing something she chose to do.
** We're getting an episode where we find out how the main cast got their cutie marks. Hopefully that will clear up some questions.
** Aren't you being a bit harsh? "Pigeonholing"? All she did was, when they first heard about the contest, encourage them to do the things they like to do; i.e. the things they're talented at and passionate about, like Sweetie and singing. She only "cringed" when she realized they had all kind of missed the point and were trying to be something they really weren't.
** I think that the point the episode was ''trying'' to make was that the Crusaders were putting too much effort into trying to make the cutie marks appear rather than just do what they enjoy and are already talented at (which is what actually makes the cutie marks appear). All three of them had already displayed obvious talents earlier in the episode (Sweetie Belle can sing, Scootaloo is a decent artist and a hell of a boarder, and Apple Bloom basically took the clubhouse from "lost cause" to "pretty" in the course of an afternoon). The thing is that none of them use those talents in their show (Sweetie Belle does the set design and costumes instead of singing, Scootaloo does the musical composition instead of the coreography, and Apple Bloom does the dancing instead of the set design). They had all the talent needed to put a good show together, but each pony was doing the wrong job. The intended moral was probably something more along the lines of "play to your strengths" or "don't waste what talents you have", both of which are decent morals. Of course, the episode didn't handle it very well and it could easily be misconstrued as "don't try new things".
*** Since rewatching the episode, it's more likely that the moral was '''too''' subtle. The intended moral above ''was'' implied by Twilight Sparkle before the contest was shown to the CMC. And on top of that, this was after a montage of them trying new things. Of course, that ties in to my personal theory that the complaints on this particular episode here were made by someone who didn't pay enough attention. As for the "main point" here, I see nothing wrong with Twilight's behavior. Especially since the alternative is IMO much more wrong.
** Actually, the whole point of Twilight's advice to the Cutie Mark Crusaders was that the easiest way to get your ''cutie mark'' was to find talents you're good at. Just because you have a certain cutie mark doesn't mean you can't try other things also. Look at Pinkie Pie, her cutie mark was found because she's great at making parties, but she's also a great baker too. Fluttershy's cutie mark was found when she discovers her love and connection to animals, but she's also a talented singer and fashion model also. It's not like the kids can't have multiple talents in life, but specifically getting a cutie mark just means discovering one of your ''strongest'' talents.
** In the wake of "The Cutie Mark Chronicles", there's an element of FridgeBrilliance. Twilight ''would'' think that the "correct" way to find a cutie mark, so to speak, is to recognize what you're clearly good at and then work hard at it...because that's the way she got her's. She didn't try other things first, like Applejack, or have a moment of epiphany like Rainbow Dash or Fluttershy; she became inspired to study magic, did so, and discovered she was gifted in it. The possibility of trying many new things to find one that clicks -- or that this might be a perfectly reasonable way to find your calling -- probably wouldn't occur to her.
*** So, it's sort of like getting a home run on your first at-bat, then proving that it wasn't a lucky shot by getting a very good average?

** The CMC weren't in the contest to win (at least not as their primary goal), they were in the competition to get their Cutie Marks. In this series a Cutie Mark basically symbolizes the inner nature of the wearer, something that is difficult to find for humans over an entire lifetime, let alone for children. All Twilight did was try to encourage the CMC to recognize their talents and natures in a relatively subtle way by asking them to think about what they personally want to do instead of just randomly trying numerous hair-brained schemes and giving up if they don't get immediate results. If they were just doing the competition for fun, Twilight wouldn't have interfered.
*** Agreed. Their admitted goal was to find their cutie marks. It wasn't to have fun, or to find out something they're 'merely good at'. They wanted their cutie marks, and Twilight was initially happy for them, because she thought that they were finally going about it how they were supposed to. She reacts negatively when she realizes they are so close, but continuing to miss the point. Even if none of them got their cutie marks if they played to their strengths, she would still recognize that they were finally realizing that getting your mark was more about doing what you like and are already good at, and generally approve of what they did because they were no longer trying to 'force' the issue.

* Why did Sweetie Belle not know what the dressmakers pony was for? Most kids that age, sure, but she's Rarity's sister, how could she not have seen Rarity using one before or even notice them and ask what there for?
** She's the pony equivalent of a seven-year-old. She might be casually aware of what Rarity does, but she clearly doesn't have a deep understanding of her sister's design process. She, like most young children, thinks she can emulate grown-up work after watching enough without needing any real lessons.

* Why does everyone (in-universe and out) seem to think their act was so terrible/that it was a joke? Apart from the technical difficulties, that act was pretty frickin' fabulous for one that had been composed and choreographed by tween fillies. And yeah, those costumes might not have been very fashionable, but they look remarkably well-made considering that Sweetie Belle was such an inexperienced seamstress.
** Most likely, it was because they didn't want to actually produce a 2 to 3 minute long unenjoyable segment of the show. Actually producing something bad would be, well, a bad idea. For an in universe explanation, judging by the work Apple Bloom did on the treehouse, and the quality of Sweetie Belle's singing plus her ability to come up with good lyrics off the top of her head, it's possible that pony children following their natural talents produce much higher quality results than human children. Remember, from Cutie Mark Chronicles, Twilight was able to overpower what were presumably Professors of Magic (Admittedly, it was a 'surprise attack') and perform other incredible transformation feats, and Rainbow Dash was capable of performing a Sonic Rainboom, an act thought to be impossible even by adult pegasi. Given that the rest of the kids had their cutie marks, it was probably expected that most of the participants would show off their own special talents in some entertaining way, and thus, the audience had a reason to expect something of a much higher quality than the human equivalent.

* How in the world did a regular electric fan create a strong enough air current to knock over the sets?
* It bothers me quite a bit that the episode shows quite clearly what the crusaders' talents are (or what they are related to), yet they seem to be determined to ''avoid'' (not only in this episode but in all subsequent episodes dedicated to them) the very things they themselves know they are good at, and explicitly try things they ''know'' they are bad at (well, not everything, but a good bunch of the things they try, especially in this episode, they can clearly see even themselves that they are really untalented at, yet still keep at it.) It's like they ''want'' to preserve their "blank flank" status, regardless of what they say.
** Also, many of the grownups (such as Applejack and especially Twilight) can clearly see what the crusaders' talents are related to, yet do very little to help them find those talents, even though they see how desperate the crusaders are to find those talents. They could do so much more. (For example, Applejack could just casually tell Apple Bloom something like "hey, I'm constructing this thing here, wanna help?" Or Twilight could say something like "hey Sweetie Belle, I'm composing a song for princess Celestia, but I'm a bit stuck. Want to hear what I have done so far?") Of course given how determined the crusaders seem to be to ''avoid'' their true talents...
*** There are two reasons for this: First, most of the adults don't view the cutie marks as nearly as important as the CMC do, so they have less reason to go out of their way to help with it. Second, the whole point of the cutie mark is self-discovery, so it makes sense that they might want to take a hooves-off approach. They're probably willing to give them a push in the right direction, but grabbing them and going "YOUR SPECIAL TALENT IS SINGING" would defeat the purpose. They want the CMC to discover their talents themselves because it would be more meaningful that way.
** It's possible that the CMC simply consider the things they are actually good at as too mundane for a "special" talent. Or perhaps those things come to them naturally, so they don't think about them much. Or to put it another way: the things you don't know always seem more exciting and special then the stuff you already do.
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[[folder:[=1.19=] A Dog and Pony Show]]
* Other than to let Rarity be awesome, why didn't the dogs just gag her? Their problems would have been solved.
** It may have made the episode just a bit too dark for the target audience. Besides, you do '''not''' gag a ''lady''.
*** Where have you been the last thirty years? Gagging a lady is pretty much common protocol at this point.
**** Not to mention that a gagged and struggling Rarity probably would have come across as FetishFuel.... I'll be right back.
** Honestly, I think that Rarity was on such a roll she would have figured out a way to torment them even while gagged.
*** She probably would have just continued crying and acting completely miserable.
**** How so? Her most irritating trait that they hated was her 'whining' and complaining. Stop that= free gems, I would think.
***** It might stop the ''words'', but the ''noise'' would have continued unabated. Not to mention she could have started refusing to even ''find'' the gems.
** She could have just used her magic to remove a gag.
*** You sure about that? Only Twilight Sparkle has really shown the ability to move things that wasn't based on their target interest.
**** Yes, but, you see, once the gag is on her it becomes an ''accessory.''
**** Uhh... fashion isn't Rarity's talent. It's gemstones. Anyway, she was perfectly able to manipulate chocolate, marshmallows, and graham crackers in "Look Before You Sleep". General-purpose telekinesis appears to be a standard unicorn power.
**** Rarity's talent probably isn't gemstones. That's just a facet of it. More likely her special talent is finding/bringing out the beauty in things, be that finding the gems in a rock, or making wonderful dresses for her friends. Though yeah, unicorns can probably use their telekinesis on anything, it's other applications that get limited to talent.
***** No, her special talent is gem-finding. A cutie mark informs talent, not destiny.
***** gem-finding is her signature spell. She doesn't get her cutie mark from that, she gets it when she realizes something she made makes other people happy.
**** It's not clear whether the talent forms a limitation or a starting point.
**** Rarity can use her telekinesis for ''pillow fights''. Removing a gag would be trivial.
** Somewhat related, everyone saying that the dogs should/would have done much worse to her are kinda missing the point. This is a comedy show aimed at little girls, Rarity really getting hurt would be traumatic for ''everyone''.
*** Yeah, but they could have dome something that made sense to girls to deal with a horse or pony. They nearly did with the other five with a muzzle over their mouths and snouts. Wouldn't have been too hard to replicate.
** I get the impression that they could have hit her and she still would have continued her assault. In fact I'm betting she would start getting really brutal with them, Rarity can be pretty below the belt when roused (just look at ''Look Before You Sleep''). And gagging her doesn't stop her making noise. I also get the impression that Rarity is actually ''more'' skilled with her telekinesis than Twilight, though obviously she has nowhere near the raw power.
*** Although another thing comes to mind; she just asks for her friends for help to carry the gems out afterwards? You seemed to understand the situation, so you could have at least thanked them for the effort they gave.
** She was high on herself at that point. After freeing herself from captivity and making off with all those gems, she'll be declaring her own brilliance and speaking in the third person for weeks.
** This troper guesses that the dogs simply didn't think of it at the time. They don't seem to be very bright.
*** and possibly playing on the [[MostAnnoyingSound "dogs don't like high pitched noises"]]
** RuleOfFunny. It wouldn't have been as funny if she had been gagged.
** This troper believes they didn't gag her because they still needed her to tell her where the gems were buried.
*** She wasn't telling them where to dig, she was marking an X on the ground with a stick. A gag wouldn't stop her from doing that.
** This troper thinks that if Rarity was gagged, she'd probably get angry or desperate enough to use the gems as a FlechetteStorm against the Diamond Dogs.
** According to [[Anime/YuGiOh Jiro the Spider]] gagging someone will do anything but make them shut up. She'd start screaming and struggling. You can't make her work like that.

* The captors and ponies were all pretty good on all sides, especially when the captors did stand up to Rarity and Rarity's reactions throughout to her manipulation, but something come to mind in a combination of DistressedDamsel and FridgeLogic. 1) If the captive one was Fluttershy or Twilight Sparkle or Spike, would they have able to come up with a way out? I mention this because while I believe they deconstructed the idea of the DistressedDamsel into the evolution of the BadassDamsel, they also played it pretty straight with the 'hero and heroines' thoughts as well as Rarity's initial reactions to captivity. I mean, when the girls as much as the boy of the group think you're in immense danger, then someone's playing with the trope or you're lampshading with the purpose to not show hatred against DistressedDamsel, but to appreciate and use it your own way while playing it straight. I think this episode was actually put in for a very real discussion about DistressedDamsel between parents and their children as well as the PeripheryDemographic-not meant to detract or glorify the trope, but to make it a DiscussedTrope. Well done, Faust.
** The Diamond Dogs also may have known that the ponies are social animals who usually have lots of friends - friends with magical powers. If they had hurt Rarity, things would have escalated into a Pony version of the movie 'Taken'. A group of pegasi could have flooded them out, earth ponies could have matched them strength for strength, and unicorns could have just torn them to tiny pieces from a distace using just their minds. And then Princess Celestia could have gotten involved...
** Fluttershy would use the stare on them, and Twilight would magic her way out (maybe even teleport). Not sure about Spike.
*** Fluttershy is not supposed to be able to use the Stare at will, and it seems standing up for herself is what she's the ''least'' good at. Since the dogs were not total sociopaths (if they were really evil, they could have shut Rarity up easily -- whining is no defence against being beaten up), they might have found Fluttershy too {{moe}} to hold captive, but that's not something I expect to see in this series (because Lauren Faust explicitly doesn't like characters in girls' shows overcoming the villains by crying). That's why Rarity gets this episode and Fluttershy gets "Dragonshy". And the episode ''is'' rather [[JustforPun tailored]] for Rarity, which is why what others might have done isn't necessarily so interesting.
*** Spike was strong enough to hold them off and protect Rarity for a little while, and he's considerably smarter than all three of the Diamond Dogs put together, so he would be just fine.
**** And also he can breath fire. It's kind of hard to hold someone hostage when the intended target is capable of burning you to death.
**** Then he would be sending their burnt corpses to appear in front of Princess Celestia.
**** I DEMAND THIS TO BE A FIC NAO!!!!
*** Although that would be an awesome fic, they kidnapped Rarity because they saw how good she was at finding gems. There would be no need for them to kidnap Fluttershy, Twilight, or Spike

* My impression is that the Diamond Dogs are seriously, seriously dumb-- as in "short bus" dumb, mentally children---- and that Rarity picked up on that ''and decided to go easy on them.'' Even with as little magical power as she had, once she got her hooves under her she could have seriously messed them up.... but manipulating them was far easier.
** If they had been smarter, they would have realized quickly that they would have had way better success letting Rarity do what SHE is good at (finding gems) and handling what THEY are good at themselves (digging and pulling). Seriously, when you can ''move through earth like it was water'', as demonstrated by their CurbstompBattle against the Mane cast, you'd think digging up some gems not too deep in the ground would be no problem. If they had done that they would have had the caverns cleared within a day, and also prevented Rarity's whining. Instead, they insisted on having a physically weak and sensitive pony take care of physical tasks. They are obviously not the smartest creatures around.
** They clearly thought it was funny, and at least part of it was an attempt to show her who the authority was.
* Am I the only one who thinks the writers shot themselves in the foot with the aesop here? Just because someone is feminine and ladylike, it doesn't make her weak... but feminine strength lies in acting whiny, entitled, prissy, and manipulative? How is that a better stereotype?
* Twilight and the gang found Rarity by following the tunnel with the most gems. This makes sense, as the Dogs were trying to use Rarity to find gems. But why wouldn't they have dug up the gems as they went along?
** Well they are having Rarity haul a load of gems around, maybe they are cherry picking the best ones. Gems don't seem to be as rare in Equestria as they are in our world. Or they could be in the middle of collections operations.
*** Not a bad idea. Another possibility: Maybe they were taking Rarity to where they wanted to start, and they were going to work their way back through the tunnel that the Mane 5 and Spike followed.

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[[folder:[=1.20=] Green Isn't Your Color]]
* Is it just me, or did Pinkie Pie seem very out of character in 'Green Isn't Your Colour'? She's supposed to embody the element of laughter - in other words, fun. But her behavior made three of her friends absolutely miserable, and could have lead to an enormous falling out between Rarity and Fluttershy.
** If you get rid of the fact she might be watching us, you'll see that she is, 1) Very impulsive. 2) Very hyper. And 3) Probably has the attention span of a squirrel on crack and coffee. Or basically, she has an extremely, extreme case of ADHD, which would lead her to think, that what she was doing was fun for everyone, but in reality only for her.
** She has the element of laughter. She was being funny. Simples!
** You realize that all the ponies are fully fleshed-out individuals with a full range on emotions, right? Their elements inform their behavior, not define it. i.e. Applejack can lie, she's just really, really bad at it. At any rate, helping prevent social faux pas and promote unity seems very in line with Pinkie's character.
** Companionship and fun are the most important things for Pinkie Pie, so not acting like a good friend should is SeriousBusiness for her (even if she doesn't have a very good idea of what that means in practice, and is too quick to judge it as happening). The idea is not really introduced before this episode, but it's thoroughly explored in "Party of One".

* A very important part of being a good friend is to be able to keep secrets. Fine. But Twilight Sparkle could have easily prompted both Fluttershy and Rarity to talk to each other, knowing how both of them really feel about the situation. She wouldn't have told anyone's secret and it really isn't that far a stretch of imagination. It seems odd that a clever pony like Twilight Sparkle couldn't think of that. Basically, it felt like the secrets she was given came with a hidden Idiot Ball. Had she tried to do that and they refused to do that because they'd look like bad friends, I'd feel a lot better about the episode as a whole.
** It's very in character for Twilight to be so concerned with the ''rules'' of friendship that she'd completely forget about basic common sense. Pinky didn't help, as she seemed to be actively trying to stoke Twilight's neuroticisms.
*** She was helping Twilight keep her word when breaking it seemed like a quick and easy solution. Sure, it probably would have turned out okay in this situation, but given Twilight's general inexperience with friends, it might be a bad precident to set.
** More to the point, Twilight is ''specifically'' very bad, and very inexperienced, at understanding personal relationships. The solution you came up with is not straightforward, but the kind of oblique approach that becomes more obvious to you as you gain experience dealing with people -- the kind of experience Twilight so eminently lacks.

* Why does Pinkie Pie give Twilight such a hard time about the secrets thing? I know that keeping secrets are important, but it was impossible to expect Twilight to never step out of line. Everyone makes mistakes, afterall.
** FOREVEEEEEER!
** Pinkie is not the most reasonable pony. Even when she's in the right, she tends to be rather hyper.
** I think half of it was that she just liked popping out of random places and surprising people, and the thing about keeping secrets just added to that.
** Not keeping secrets would ruin a surprise party.
** One aspect of Pinkie's personality is that she seems to be quite paranoid about losing friends. This can be seen in her actions in this episode, where she thinks thinks revealing any secret will drive ponies away, and comes back to form the plot in Party of One.
* How is it possible that Bonbon has never heard of Rarity? Ponyville isn't that large of a town, and the two have often appeared in scenes together. If the point was to show that Rarity was being overshadowed by Fluttershy, it would have made more sense to use a new or unknown pony, maybe a tourist there to see the hometown of a famous model.
** Ponyville is a pretty small town but that doesn't mean that everybody knows everybody (except Pinkie), also you can stand beside someone a lot but you might not recognize them.
** A Changeling Did it?
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[[folder:[=1.21=] Over a Barrel]]
* The settlers planted the orchard as a food supply so they wouldn't starve. But when they're preparing to fight the buffalo, they rush to harvest those same apples... for ammunition. Not only that, they take the time to bake them into ''pies'' first. [[FridgeLogic But... huh]]?
** RuleOfFunny and Family Friendly Violence. It allows them to go down the Samurai Jack route of homaging rather violent genres while still letting kids watch. But yes, it was very silly (I especially liked the fact that it actually ''worked''. Damn the fact that these guys can knock down buildings, apple pies pack lethal concussive force apparently).
*** To be fair, apple pies are pretty heavy.
*** Fast-acting paralytic agents. The pies are just the medium that can be easily thrown or bucked by a pony while still managing to splatter effect multiple closely grouped targets.
*** The idea here is not to have lethal concussive force. The pies just splatter the buffalo's eyes, causing them to stop seeing there they're going and subsequently to trip and fall.
*** And to also be fair sacrificing a few trees worth of apples to protect your homestead is better than having a horde of Buffalo destory every last tree and your homes.
** At least one fanfic made it clear that certain foods can be considered "wartime weapons". Which makes Blueblood using Rarity as a pony shield against that cake even worse in-universe...
*** 'Dragonshy' had Applejack prepared with apples as weapons too. (Then she ''uses'' them on a rock. 'Dammit, Twilight, don't you wish we had some APPLES?')
** This troper assumed it was because it was better for the ponies to harvest and store the apples before the orchards were trampled, because then at least they could keep some of them as a food source.

* If the train's pulled by earth ponies, why does it even ''have'' a locomotive?
** For the whistle at the top? I think it was a bit of a visual gag, given that the first shot was from far away, only to zoom in on the ponies pulling it.
** Maybe it's sort of like a helper engine to bear some of the weight of the cars. The tow-ponies apparently ran all day and night without a break. Perhaps they were getting some mechanical assistance from the engine?
** WordOfGod [[http://comments.deviantart.com/4/1603670/1926366980 says]] that it was more or less forced on her: she didn't want a train in MLP, but the crew (and probably Hasbro) wanted a Wild West episode and a train was needed. Simply having the ponies pull the train looked wrong, and would have denied them the iconic sounds of the locomotive and the subsequent train robbery. So she punted.
** And if there were no locomotives, then Fluttershy's "Chugga-chugga chugga-chugga WOO WOO!" routine in "A Bird in the Hoof" wouldn't have made sense!
** I took it as an emergency backup in case something happened to the pulling ponies.
** Ever try to lug a heavy suitcase up a hill or a flight of stairs? If there is a mounain with a high grade of incline and one of the train pony's footing slips, the entire thing could start backsliding.
** Simple. They weren't PULLING the engine, they were ''powering it with Earth Pony magic.'' Notice that there was steam coming from the whistle-- but no smoke from the smokestack? And if I remember correctly there was no coal car either. Earth Pony magic to heat the boiler! Especially makes since as Earth Ponies are the strongest of the ponies with the most endurance-- which means they probably have more magic than either the pegasi or unicorns. But since earth ponies have to have their hooves on the ground to use their magic....

* As a Canadian History minor, the conclusion kind of irked me. IRL, natives traded with white settlers because they liked their processed European food and their alcohol, both of which contributed to the destruction of their lifestyle and race. I wonder where the Buffalo tribe is going to be in a decade after becoming dependent on a non-indigenous food...
** DERAIL! I've been to two American history courses. One lecturer considered the furs acquired through the North American fur trade genuinely useful and important goods. Another considered them a fashion luxury. I'm more impressed with the former as a teacher, but lack independent verification for the accuracy of his teachings. Could you tell me how it is? (For the record, I didn't hear of processed food being traded - lots of cookware and other such things, though.)
*** The first teacher was more correct. Beaver felt hats were a "fashion luxury" in the sense that they were very popular and acted as something of a status symbol, but (to draw a modern equivalency) a brand-name Nike shoe is still a shoe and is therefore useful and important. The second teacher seems to be implying that because beaver felt was a "luxury" it was somehow unworthy. Beaver felt is objectively superior to other felts, and beavers were plentiful at the time. Economics took its course. You're also correct that most trade with Amerind tribes was for manufactured goods and alcohol rather than processed foods. You give a man a pie, he eats for a day. You give him a hunting rifle...
**** The above troper's right without going far enough--the number one things most tribes wanted out of the trade? Metal. Muskets, yes, because guns > arrows and spears for hunting and warfare (which was going on long before Europeans moved in), and also metal knives (a lot easier than knapping stone points), fishhooks (try using a bone one some time), pots and pans (try cooking in birchbark-works great right up until you're not careful and it catches fire)...plus ever see all that beautiful Amerindian seed bead work? All post-contact because before trade with Europe, they didn't have beads, only shells and natural-dyed material like porcupine quills or feathers. And all the crazy Europeans wanted for the most part was a bunch of stupid furs? Score! (Contrary to the DancesWithWolves mythology, most natives had zero problem with mass hunting and were not religiously hung up on "use every scrap".)
** If human history is any telling, the Buffalo Tribe probably won't do well at all. I can't speak for the natives in the United States, but here in Canada, have they not become a bit of a "thorn"? People know about them, yet no one really cares, in spite of the unethical treatments they've been put through (that's putting it mildly). I think that this episode was meant as a bit of a metaphor for cultural crashes in general, rather than a specific example. That said, give them credit for taking a bold move by actually doing something so close to reality. The conclusion, however, may in fact be an honest mistake. Then again, even if they did, how much of that can you translate into a show primarily watched by a young audience?
*** The fact that the battle between the two civilizations involved apple pies being used as weapons suggests that this is meant to be a sanitized expy of North American history, not a literal telling. The producers were trying to use the backdrop of Manifest Destiny to make a statement about unity between cultures WITHOUT having to face the bitter reality that actually came from such a thing. Because, you know, it's a kid's show. Just think of a politically correct version of the Old West where everyone learned to respect each others' cultures and population growth is kept to a minimum, and you'll get the idea.
*** My political science nerd and recent pony convert has a theory that actually fits better than the obvious settlers/Native Americans one. The pony settlement is Israel, the buffalo are the West Bank, the apple trees are the settlements. The solution? The same as the most logical for the Israel-West Bank situation; removal of the settlements that interfere with Palestinians and shared access to Jerusalem (the apple pies).
** I think that the settler/Indian aesthetics weren't intended to parallel the historical events too closely; this show is aimed at elementary schoolers after all. The message isn't a historical statement, the point was that all the problems could have been avoided if the two sides had been willing to talk things out and come to a compromise rather than just fight over the land. It was stated in episode that both sides had valid reasons for claiming the land, after all. Not to mention that there's a pretty solid layer of RuleOfFunny over the whole thing that makes reading too much into a bit of a problem.
** Considering that it's more of a BroadStrokes version of history, it's pretty obvious that it's really a "get-along-with-one-another-talk-out-your-differences-dammit" Aesop cloaked in a settlers vs. natives appearance. They probably just picked that one because they wanted to play with lots of Western tropes.
** Im sorry, but is this even really possible to discuss? Accusing a show about a highly advanced magical equine race living in a manually controlled planet full of hervibores because one of the cultures looks somewhat like one of our own and don't follow our own templates. No offense to Historical Bluff, but I mean, why would anybody accuse research failure in a SugarBowl show so ''bizarre'' and alien to our own? Why would you need even to "defend" or make excuses that their history is not a carbon copy down to the last molecule of our own?. Why would you even expect it? Im sorry, but there is nitpicking and just plain sillyness and stick up the ass and yeah, is not like the relationship of the western front and the Indians... so what? They are talking horses who managed to construct a complex society with hooves and psychic sparkles and use bakery as weaponry against gigantic dragon worshiping spiritual buffalos... boy, it really sound flat out weird when you said out loud, ha?
*** Yes, it is possible to discuss.
** In what way is this an analogy for either Canadian or American history? Yes, IRL there were dealings between natives and non-natives that ended poorly for the natives, but that's not what happened in the show. In the show, the buffalo get to stampede like they used to and they get some free apples to go with it, and meanwhile the settlers get to maintain their way of life. Who loses out on this? It's a fair deal for both sides. Just because processed food and alcohol contributed to Native American troubles IRL does not mean that the buffalo are somehow going to suffer because of their newfound access to apples; why would they? It's not like apples are addictive or something. And just because they're ''eating'' a non-indigenous food doesn't mean they're ''dependent'' on it; obviously the buffalo have been managing to feed themselves before the deal was struck and there's no reason why they would lose that ability. (It's not like they were all corralled against their will onto some kind of reservation, which is what happened IRL to the Native Americans. And anyway the fact that I eat bananas doesn't make me dependent on banana-producing nations, etc. etc..) Referencing the human rights abuses committed against real-life Native Americans is similarly ridiculous; there are no such abuses depicted on the show. The only wrong they suffered was the ''temporary'' loss of their stampeding grounds, which was resolved at the end. Again, this is not meant to be a retelling of actual history. If anything, it's a statement about what ''should'' have happened between natives and non-natives in the settler days.
** Would you have liked the episode more if it had ended with the ponies prevailing over the buffalo in a series of brutal wars and then forcing the buffalo onto reservations where poverty, crime, and alcoholism would all be endemic?
** I assume they're going to be decimated. The ponies have presumably had a good amount of time to adjust to a high-glucose diet, while the bison have just been introduced to apple pies. Type II diabetes is going to be just as much of a problem as alcoholism was IRL.
* Little Strongheart tells Rainbow Dash that the bison never meant to hurt anyone when taking Bloomberg...except that they attempted multiple times to ''derail the entire train'' (which would have undoubtedly killed at least some passengers) before switching over to the relatively harmless method of detaching the caboose.
** They seem to have been trying to stop the train from moving. When the pulling ponies knock them back (who knew they could be so tough?), they resorted to taking the caboose while it was still moving. Perhaps it was a bluff, or they suspected no passengers were on this train (Little Strongheart was surprised when Dash appeared on top of the train).
** I don't think they were actively trying to derail the train. It seemed more like a diversionary tactic, so that Little Strongheart could get on the roof and disconnect the caboose without interference.

* How did Chief Thunderhooves get knocked off course by an apple pie while in mid-jump? Given the momentum he'd built up during his charge, he should still have hit Sheriff Silver Star.
** The apple pies are made out of dark matter. Also, cartoon physics.
** For that matter, who even threw that last pie? Up until the point where Chief Thunderhooves goes down, there didn't appear to be anypony anywhere near Sheriff Silver Star.

* Is Little Strongheart seriously the only non-adult buffalo in the herd? Or just the only one that chooses to interact with the adults?

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[[folder:[=1.22=] A Bird in the Hoof]]
* Why does Princess Celestia simply leave Philomena behind, for Fluttershy to steal/take to try and "cure"?
** One word: [[FanNickname Trollestia]]
** Or she was just in that much of a rush. Celestia probably told her guards to go back for Philomena but Fluttershy had already taken her.
** A better question is what Philomena's doing there in the first place. It's reasonable that she'd be left behind as Celestia meets with the mayor, since who brings a pet to governmental chats?
*** It's suggested multiple times that she does not like stiff official governmental stuff. Maybe she brought the bird along to bring some oddity into it to make the atmosphere less dignified.
*** It's also possible that Celestia wanted for Philomena to show off her rebirth in front of the mane six, though hopefully without trolling them first. Or at least not to that extent.
*** Or she just likes seeing Philomena flare up and come to life again and didn't want to miss it.

* Fluttershy describes the party for Princess Celestia as a "Brunch" yet the clock shows 4:00. Brunch is a meal between between breakfast and lunch. You don't have Brunch that late in the afternoon.
** The animators probably forgot about the clock when using that background.
** Alternatively, where the ponies are concerned "Brunch" is a term for any special meal/snack gathering that isn't one of the official mealtimes. There have been RL uses of Brunch that take place in the afternoon.

* Why didn't Fluttershy or Twilight Sparkle recognize the phoenix? Fluttershy usually knows ''everything'' about animals, and Twilight Sparkle is not only hugely studious and full of knowledge, but is Princess Celestia's personal student. You're telling me Fluttershy has never heard of one, and Twilight Sparkle never read about them or saw her mentor's pet before?
** Philomenia didn't exactly look like a book-standard phoenix at the time, and Twilight Sparkle is nothing if not a bundle of eager book smarts wrapped around massive gaps of practical knowledge. Even if Twilight had seen Philomenia before, she might not recognize her near the end of her lifespan, and we've no reason to believe that Philomenia's getting old and bursting into flame on a regular basis. Fluttershy's got a lot of practical experience, but we're outright told that phoenix are uncommon in Ponyville or Cloudsdale, and even where Fluttershy does have massive hidden depths, she doesn't often have the ability to implement it in reality. I've a feeling that she's more interesting in the sort of critters she actually runs into.
** Philomenia spent most of the episode looking like nothing so much as a diseased parrot. When that suddenly bursts into flames and a completely different bird rises from the ashes, it's reasonable to expect confusion.

* My question is why Twilight or Fluttershy, after hearing that the guards were looking for Philomena, didn't just sneak the bird into the back yard and then rush out to the guards ten minutes later and explain that they found the bird? Everyone was looking for her, so if they claimed to be the ones who found her no one would have been angry. Yes, it would have been a bit dishonest, but they didn't seem to intend on owning up to having the bird anyway, and it would have been an easy way out of the situation.
** My guess? Panic. The guards walk in and Twi and Shy have maybe a few seconds to come up with something. Neither was in the state of mind for careful planning and were focused on getting Philomena back as soon as possible. It probably wouldn't have worked anyway, seeing as it might have looked suspicious if they "found" Philomena so soon after she went missing in a suspicious manner

* The Guest List. How was it determined who was invited to the party, and who wasn't? When Twilight sees Fluttershy being turned away, she says: "It's alright sirs, she's on the list." Looking who attended, nobody except the Mane Six is a character we're actually familiar with. If Cheerilee or the Cutie Mark Crusaders or Macintosh was there, ponies Twilight has actually interacted with, it'd make sense, but the guests seemed completely random.
** It could easily have been comprised of ponies who were part of the Ponyville town board or something. Such things rarely if ever come up in the show, so it's possible that we've just never seen any of Ponyville's governing body aside from the Mayor.
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[[folder:[=1.23=] The Cutie Mark Chronicles]]
* Why were Rainbow Dash's childhood bullies making fun of her flying skill and dismissing the Sonic Rainboom as an "old mares' tale" if ''they themselves have actually seen her pull it off''?
** Maybe not. One of them crashed into a pillar a probably got knock out, and when Dash charged at full speed and left the other bully behind, he was kinda thrown afar because of the wind following her, perhaps ending up in a crash and knock out as well. Doesn't justify much, really, but it's something. Perhaps even if everyone told them, they refuse to believe it without seeing them just out of dislike for Rainbow Dash.
** Even if they did see it, they're the sort who would claim they didn't, just to be jerks.
** At first this bothered me, especially after seeing "The Cutie Mark Chronicles" where it's obvious that everyone else at the race saw it, too. However, like the troper right above this said, they're jerks. Not to mention not that bright. What bothers me is that it bothered Rainbow that three ponies didn't believe in her first Sonic Rainboom.
*** Rainbow tends to have some self-confidence issues, even when she does win. Add in the stress she had about trying what for her was a once-in-a-lifetime feat in front of her idols and God..
*** It's not the point that she knew she had done the Sonic Rainboom once long ago. The point was she knew she hadn't been able to do it while practising now, and wouldn't be able to do it again. (Or wouldn't have, if she hadn't had a motivator equally great as last time, which also made her forget to worry about it.)
** Regardless of the fact they may not have actually seen the Sonic Rainboom, they cannot deny that ''Rainbow Dash beat them in that race. Hard.'' So why do they still give her crap?
*** Because, as previously mentioned, they're jerks.
*** Most likely they simply didn't see it, due to being either concussed or spiralling out of control at the time.
*** Given how jerkish they are, if anything beating them in a race would just make them more bitter.

* Where did Celestia get Spike? How would it be explained in canon? The only things I can think of that make sense are pretty depressing: either he's an orphan or his parents gave him up. Also, who named him?
** There is one possibility that isn't depressing. The dragon-flights could have a treaty with Equestria, offering a few eggs and maybe their services in times of great need in return for a supply of gems and a safe place for the dragon-flights to roost. Maybe someone else can figure out a better set of terms between the two, but that's enough to get the point across for now.
*** "In the name of equestria, her royal highness Celestia, mistress of the sun, High-magistrix of the magic academy and general of the equestrian armies, bestows upon the dragonkin all the lands within the Nibenay valley, and guarantees them safety within, and only within, their own lands, as well as the right to self-govern. Any dragon who leaves Nibenay is subject to equestrian law, and needs written permission from her highness, princess Celestia, to perform any acts of fire-breathing or meat consumption. In return, the dragonkin promise loyalty to the kingdom of celestia, service in times of war and a tribute of two dragon eggs every hundred years, of which the hatchlings will be assigned to and trained along with students of the magic academy of Equestria."
*** Alternately, there's some kind of fosterage/cultural/hostage exchange going on and there's a few unicorn colts shining scales and sorting gems for elder dragons.
** Some stories say that dragon eggs need humans to hatch, so there may be something similar going on here.
** Another possibility: Spike's egg wasn't even a real egg; it was an oval shaped rock with green spots painted on it. The test was an UnwinnableTrainingSimulation to see how the candidates would respond to an ImpossibleTask. When Twilight went and actually hatched a dragon from it, it was just her RealityWarper powers at work.
** Or Dragons simply don't care about their offspring. They lay their eggs and leave them, and that's it. The dragons shown so far that aren't Spike include an apathetic one that does not get along with any of the ponies except Fluttershy, and a crazy jealous one willing to kill his own kind, so they hardly seem to be a compassionate species.

* Pinkie Pie's backstory in "The Cutie Mark Chronicles" irritated me. I don't seriously believe that Pinkie used to be gloomy. The Amish deal and the rock farm also strike me as weird. Then again, good ol' Pinkie could be making this all up.
** Actually the Amish thing does explain the gloom: She had a strict upbringing and while she probably was the same, being random and singing aren't things the Amish are known for. However the Rainbow caused her to let out all of the energy she had pent up and the party at the end was more a celebration for her family and their hard work than anything and told Pinky Pie she could be herself, and thus she got her mark.
** Just making something clear: being Amish doesn't make someone gloomy. Just because they have no need for fancy things like bright clothes and technology, it doesn't mean that they're devoid of fun.
** I learned that later, that was my lack of research. And to be fair they probably did have fun, and if her family didn't love each other, her story would have had a DownerEnding. And someone below pointed out the farming parts where the gloom came from, the rainboom just awakened the natural insanity that had been locked inside by hard work and focus on her duties.
** Just because Amish are allowed to have fun doesn't mean that this particular Amish (or Amish-esque) family had fun very often. Maybe they were all fairly gloomy from farming rocks (as others have pointed out.) And anyway, it's not that hard to imagine that Pinkie Pie was once gloomy; in fact that makes it kind of inspiring when she turns her whole life around.
** She totally made it up. She tells the story differently every time, like how the Joker talks about his scars.
*** "You wanna know how I got this cutie mark?"
*** Man, Pinkie Pie is that universe's Joker. That explains sooo much.
*** ''{{Cupcakes}}''. Oh dear Celestia, it explains frigging ''Cupcakes''.
** "Magic Duel" shows Trixie working for Pinkie's father on the rock farm, so it seems to be at least partially true.
** I assumed the gloom came from the "rock farm" part of her life, not the Amish part.
** Rule of Funny.

* Why does Spike's adult dragon form look so different from the other adult dragons seen so far? Is it a sign that Spike is a special dragon?
** If you're referring to Twilight's magic burst shown in "The Cutie Mark Chronicles", I figure that what happened to Spike is what would happen if you super size an infant. He'll probably look more like other dragons when he actually grows up.
** Well, Spike already doesn't look much like other dragons even without the magic transformation. No wings, for one. Maybe he's a different race of dragon? Or maybe dragons go through transformations as they grow up, and Twilight's spell aged him without any of those happening.
** We've seen three dragons in the series so far and two of those are [[PaletteSwap Palette Swaps]] of each other to save money. There are lots of different types of dragons, even within specific mythologies dragons vary greatly from one to another.
*** We've seen a sea serpent in the second episode. It's perfectly possible Spike is a wingless dragon species, incapable of flight, but sturdier and stronger. It would also explain how can he [[NighInvulnerable take so much abuse]] despite being so young.
*** This. If you look at the picture of the dragon on the side of the cart, it has no wings either. Spike is meant to be wingless.
** Something that just occured to this troper that also helps and is actually a bit of FridgeBrilliance: Celestia would never give her students a dragon hatchling as a pet from a dangerous dragon, not to meniton how hard it would be getting an egg from a territorial dragon. Spike's Species probably gives some of their eggs to the princess as a peace offering or dontation or what have you, giving her students their own partner that won't try and kill everypony around it.
** Looking at the giant Spike, he's obviously some kind of Godzilla-type. And Godzilla is usually the hero or at least the NotSoEvil amongst the kaiju.
** Or maybe these dragons aren't born with wings? Like... they grow them later? They earn them somehow? They come when a dragon hits dragon puberty? Spike's drawn how he is so he'd look cute and his design would look less odd beside the ponies.
*** A later episode shows Spike as he would become if he succumbs to greed. Maybe the form we see is the form Spike would take if he grows up with his greed in check.

* Applejack says she was younger than the Cutie Mark Crusaders are when she got her cutie mark. So, that means Apple Bloom wasn't born yet. But in her flashback, we see no trace of her parents, just Big Mac and Granny Smith. So where did Apple Bloom come from?
** Your math may be off. It's possible that, for instance, Apple Bloom is 10, Applejack is 18, and Applejack got her cutie mark at the age of 9. In that case, Apple Bloom would have been a year old by that time. (We don't see her in the flashback, but she might have been too young to run around.)
** I like this answer. 'Apple Bloom isn't seen... because her parents are caring for a newborn foal. (Or trying to create her, but let's not explore that.)'
*** It's still a little problematic, because when young Applejack is looking out the window and reminiscing about life on the farm, she only wonders what Big Macintosh and Granny Smith are doing. She doesn't mention her parents at all, suggesting that they're either dead or otherwise absent from her life. It's possible that Apple Bloom has already been born, though, and she's just not bothering to think about her baby sister - in fact, that might be a reason for her to leave home in the first place.


* Pinkie Pie grew up on a rock farm... A ''what''?
** [[CaptainObvious A rock farm.]] To be more helpful, it was conjectured in a fanfiction that is not remembered at this time that the rock farm was where most gemstones came from, assuming that Rarity's ability to seek them out is a... well, rare talent.
** There's also the possibility that she's making up everything but the rainbow.
** Rock farms to produce gemstones makes a lot of sense. Rarity's ability to find gems is linked to her special talent, so there's a chance that it could be rather rare. And farms that produce gems would explain why gems are so plentiful that the ponies have no problem with Spike eating them like candy. Though that also means Rarity potentially stole from Pinkie's family.
** Rocks are commonly "farmed" for raw materials and other uses, even today. Of course, the places where this happens are called "quarries," not "rock farms," and it's not actual "farming" as much as simply "gathering and processing." And by that I mean they use tons of dynamite to blow chunks of rock out of the earth and then round them up to sell to their clients. So... not quite the same thing.
*** The idea of Pinkie Pie having access to explosives is both hillarious and terrifying.
** Either a 'rock farm' is a 1) Quarry, 2) Geode/magic gemstone growing farm, or 3) 'Rocks' grow due to gravity when the solar system forms. Thus Pinkie Pie helped create the planet! And that's how Equestria was made! (Also, her sisters were light grey and purple. Which god-tier ponies are also respectivly light colored and purple?)
** Maybe a rock farm is just like a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_rock_garden rock garden]], but bigger?
** This is a world where they have to wrap up winter. Perhaps the rock farming is how raw rock materials are gathered to make certain landmarks or natural designs. Earth-shaping, in a sense. Though in practice I'd go for the rock-farm=quarry idea.
** It's also possible that it was simply a more traditional quarry or mine, and Pinkie Pie just called it a "rock farm" because she figured that's what her audience--children from a rural farming community--would best understand as a metaphor.
*** It's also possible that it's even FURTHER metaphorical, and actually tells the story of how Equestria was made. The rock farm, the Sonic Rainboom, the party... it could all be a very ancient tale shrouded in riddles and enigmas. (More likely it's just Pinkie being Pinkie.)

* Pinkie claims that where she grew up, there was no talking involved. And yet, the only people that DO speak are herself, her mother and her father.
** No talking doesn't mean "no talking ever." It means "no idle chitchat during work."
** Exaggeration. Plus, I doubt that Pinkie would've outright said 'And then Daddy walked out that morning and said, "Time to harvest the rocks from the south field."'

* If Applejack's aunt and uncle Orange are urban socialites, then how do they have oranges as their cutie marks? I wouldn't imagine there's much room for growing oranges in the city.
** Maybe they don't grow oranges so much as sell them. The Orange family could own a large orange plantation just outside of town, and a factory to make orange juice and other orange related products.
** I think it's just a reference to the Apples and Oranges allegory. The cityfolk are vastly different from the ones in Ponyville.
** Or they made their money in the [[TradingPlaces frozen concentrated orange juice market]].
** Cutie Marks aren't always literal: Cherilee's daisies don't limit her to being a gardener, Twilight Sparkle's only an astronomer as a hobby, Fluttershy's not just an entomologist, and Rarity can not only do fashion, but do fashion that doesn't involve gems. For all we know, the Oranges might represent having a tough skin for dealing with criticism or being good at bringing disparate groups to work together or something.
*** Rarity's talent is that she can find gems in the ground/inside rocks. The fashion thing is another matter entirely. And the orange mark might also mean they deal with cleaning products.
*** That's her signature spell, not her talent -- by the same standard, Twilight's talent is teleportation, not magic. Her talent is bringing out beauty in things -- finding the gemstones hidden in ordinary-looking rocks and earth is one aspect of this, but she can also do things like seamlessly weave her tail into the remains of a missing mustache, or turn what foliage remains on an ugly, bare branch into topiary.
*** Then signature spells in unicorns become their cutie marks. "Bringing the beauty out of things" is hardly represented by gems, but finding gems... well... In Twilight's case, her signature spell(AKA, when the Sonic Rainboom hit her) was to have magic incontinence, so it still fits both her magic talent and her spell.
*** Not necessarily. Gemstones don't necessarily indicate ''bringing out'' beauty, but they're a common symbol of beauty in general. Cutie Marks aren't always direct or literal -- Rainbow Dash's talent isn't making rainbow lightning, but her Cutie Mark brings to mind speed, and Fluttershy is talented with more than just butterflies. Cheerilee's cutie mark is not only symbolic, but the fact that it is and how exactly it symbolizes her talent is directly explained.
** Before ultra-fast transportation made fruit from around the world an everyday occurrence in supermarkets, oranges were a rare treat for anyone but the super-rich. Maybe the orange cutie marks have some tangential thing to do with that?

* Why do so many people think Pinkie's Cutie Mark story was a case of UnreliableNarrator and it probably didn't happen?
** Because she ended the tale with "And that's how Equestria was made". That signifies that at some point in her mind she was no longer relaying her cutie mark story. Remember, the question central to UnreliableNarrator is "Is the narrator telling the truth?" and that particular question is applicable here. This is a question the Cutie Mark Crusaders have by the time they find Rainbow Dash.
** It seemed to me she was just being [[CloudCuckoolander Pinkie]].
** I figured the entire story was true; she just screwed up at the very end with "And that's how Equestria was made" when it should have been "And that's how I got my cutie mark."
*** And then Pinkie offers to tell them the story of how she got her cutie mark, implying that she didn't already tell them that exact story.
*** Or implying that she's got two punchlines mixed up. A non-sequitur is not proof of outright lying.
** It's probably more because of the rock farm part. Sure, there are excuses of it being a quarry, but the visuals suggested an actual rock farm.
** While not a full retcon this enviroment seems inconsistant with the song laugh in Episode 2.
*** No it isn't; Granny Pie hasn't been shown on-screen yet. And there's still a gap between Pinkie getting her cutie mark and the events of Episode 2.
** Also, every other pony's tale in "Chronicles" also explained, more or less, how they came to be where they were when we first met them in the pilot. Pinkie's story ended with her now happy on her family's rock farm. So why would she subsequently have left the farm to live in Ponyville with the Cakes? At the very least, something is missing from this tale.
** An ability to host parties cannot last long on a rock farm. Perhaps it will come up in a future episode how Pinkie Pie moved from the farm to Sugarcube Corner. Maybe the Cakes are distant relatives.
** The episode "Magic Duel" shows that the rock farm wasn't made up. Also, maybe she moved to Sugarcube Corner for more opportunities - I'm happy with my parents, but that doesn't mean I'm going to live with them forever.

* Was that Cheerilee in Rarity's flashback? Does that make them OlderThanTheyLook? Considering Cherilee looked teenaged, to tweenaged, in her 80s picture that'd make them in the pony equivalent of their thirties.. Which makes sense.
** Propably Cherilee is teacher in that young age. Horever ponies can still have 30 years but for them it can equivalent of late teens or early twenties (because Ponies can live longer).
** They don't live in our society, so the equivalent of 80s fashion wouldn't neccessarily be 20-30 years ago for them.
** She was a pre-teen, or young teen though. 20-30 Pony years seems about right.

* Pinkie Pie's "And that is how Equestria was made"... now that I think about it, it is more like an expression than a literal statement. But it confused me then since Pinkie Pie is known to be LiteralMinded. Besides, Pinkie Pie then offered that she will tell the story of how she gained her cutie mark. Unless, by "And that is how Equestria was made", she means "And that is how she started her party spree" instead of "And that is how she gained cutie mark", it can really sound weird.
** It's a funny non-sequitur. Pinkie does random stuff like that to be funny.

* When the CMC are talking to Rarity, they mention that most of the other kids have gotten their cutie marks already. Maybe trying everything they can possibly think of for brief amounts of time is actually slowing them down? One would think that since all of their classmates have their marks, they might think "Hey, what did the other kids do to get theirs?" The answer in most cases would probably be that they realized something they enjoyed all along was what their talent was.
** They've all heard that they should get their marks from what they already enjoy from all the adults they know. Problem is that they're too immature and impatient for the lesson to actually sink in. Until they finally relax and discover their talents themselves, they'll remain blank. Even if somebody strait up told them what their talents are, they'd still be blank until they finally [[TheOnlyWayTheyWillLearn figure it out for themselves]]. Judging from what we've seen, the only lesson they'd take away from the other kid's stories is that they should mimic ''their'' talents for a while, which would obviously fail.
** It's possible they're not on speaking terms with the rest of the class. Diamond Tiara had no problem getting the class to laugh at Apple Bloom for not having a cutie mark in Episode 12, so they probably don't have many friends outside of their secret society.

* Comparatively minor next to some of the other questions this episode creates, but here goes. If ponies don't zipline, and Spike lives in pony society, how does HE know what ziplining is? Also, how do ponies know what ziplining is yet have no interest in it despite it clearly being possible if three fillies can make an almost-serviceable zipline on a whim?
** He lives in a library. He probably read about it. And the reason that ponys arent interested in ziplining could be that there was just no demand for it, no one wanted to try to rig up a zipline by themselves without any experiences making it (the CMC's broke, remember?) or there were places to zipline in Equestria- just not that specific town.

* Fluttershy says that she had never been on the ground before and didn't all of the animals were there, but then how did she know what the names of the animals were?
** Just because she had never been on the ground before doesn't mean she's not educated. Many of the denizens of Cloudsdale visit Ponyville on a regular basis, such as Rainbow Dash, so it's not a stretch to assume that education in Cloudsdale includes zoology. She might not have known that those particular types were there, but then try to name all the native species where you live.
** Could have been something as simple as a storybook. How many young children have never seen a real, live elephant, yet know exactly what they are and what they look like?
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[[folder:[=1.24=] Owl's Well That Ends Well]]
* Let's see here....Spike told the truth to Twilight Sparkle in "Owl's Well That Ends Well" after what happened considering the mistake. It has already been previously established in the series that damage to books would be FAR worse than lying to Twilight Sparkle for what happened. Let's see, I'm supposed to respect Twilight Sparkle's rather brazen issues against what is essentially her surrogate child? Sure, his EvilPlan was not good for him, but the rest of her reactions to his fumbles really did seem to be completely uncalled for. I mean, lying has happened more than once in the series without any real consequences by Twilight Sparkle herself in episodes prior and later than this. So, what's the big deal?
** Big deal? She just gave Spike some reprimands which he blew out of proportion.
** And to be fair the book thing wasn't about him doing it, in fact she probably would have been mad then forgiven him and off they go to the comet, no harm done. It was Spike hiding it and then lying about it that pissed her off, she expects more from him like any good parent or parent substitute. Spike just took "I expect more from you" and "I'm disapotined in you" as "Owlowicous ratted you out for spite and I prefer him" and "I hate you" respectively.
*** It was more him taking "This is not the Spike I know and love" to mean "She doesn't love me anymore".
** Part of me agrees that Twilight Sparkle was just reprimanding, but we know for a fact she just would've been angrier with him even saying as such; Books and reading is one of Twilight Sparkle's clear interests, and likely a BerserkButton would have been pressed if he came clean. Even when he did become clean, her reaction was rather severe and disproportional compared to what I would have expected. 'ThePlan' Spike laid, I have no problem with; that was pure misbehavior and misplaced manipulation. It's the first time she got mad I dislike.
** I don't know where you're getting this from. Twilight likes reading, sure, but only as a means to an end. She has no problem scattering her books about haphazardly when she's looking for something and we've never seen her get overprotective of the books themselves. Spike's destruction of the book probably would just have been met with an admonition to be more careful and telling him to get another copy. We really have a better case for her going beserk over lying, giving her repeated bouts of skepticism.
** We've also seen that Twilight's social skills are still very rusty. I think she's doing what she's read is the right way to deal with things like this. I also think she was probably deeply ''stung'' that he lied to her, since he's never lied to her before, since like Dash, he's very blunt and tactless. In "Party of One" he's shown to be more apt to keep secrets rather than lie. He's her number one friend, her oldest friend, her ONLY friend for years, and a ''child''. She doesn't want him growing up thinking lying is okay. Twilight's scolding of him was exactly the kind of scolding I received as a kid for lying. I don't think she was being unfair at all. Sometimes you have to be firm with kids regarding things like this. I think you're judging her anger way too harshly. People get angry, and they tend to get more angry and disappointed the closer they are to that person, because it hurts more.

* If Owlicious (Twilight's pet owl) is supposed to be nocturnal (IE, awake at night), why is he still awake during the day, and worse, helping Twilight get the books that Spike wanted to give her?
** He's pulling an all-dayer (the opposite of an all-nighter.) Maybe got really tired of this by the end of the episode, which is why we don't see him in later episodes.

* This troper always [[WildMassGuessing figured]] Equestria and the rest of the planet (if it's indeed a planet and not just a pocket dimension) to be surrounded by a spherical canvas on which the princesses magically paint the day and night skies - like a global equivalent to ''Film/TheTrumanShow''. However, this is suddenly challenged by Twilight's accurate description of a comet, which implies their universe follows a similar model to our own. The two are obviously mutually exclusive. Thoughts?
** Well, what immediately comes to mind is that there's never been any actual indication that the former is the case.
*** If ''Film/TheTrumanShow'' concept isn't the case, though, how does the Endless Night plot at the beginning of the series make sense? Short of a forced [[TotalEclipseOfThePlot Solar Eclipse]] for all time, Luna's plan can't really work with a cosmic system and a spherical planet short of doming the entire planet anyway. Endless Night would have to mean Endless Night for ''everypony,'' and that means halfway around the world too.
*** Or does it? If Equstria is just a country within a bigger world, it could work if she wanted to bring the eternal night just there. The other side of the planet would have eternal day, but Nightmare Moon might not care -- she wants the admiration of her subjects specifically.
** Equestria could simply be a geocentric system. Never mind that that's not how star systems form naturally in our universe--what if Equestria has artificial sun and moon satellites kept in their stable orbits by first the concerted effort of unicorns ritually performing the same spells they always have, and later by the Princesses? They could be the last remnants of an ancient civilization, now long gone. It would explain why they have to so carefully manage seasons and nature--without a long, slow revolution around the sun, any axial tilt will be meaningless--heck, it's even possible that the planet doesn't spin at all! In that case, Nightmare Moon could have caused eternal night for Equestria simply by spinning up the planet so the sun's orbit became geostationary--causing rather a high temperature increase on the opposite side, and decrease on the Equestria side. No mention of time zones or differences is made in the series and it's implied that when Celestia raises the sun, it rises at more or less the same time everywhere that matters, so it may be assumed Equestria is not globe-spanning.
*** The Fimbulwinter seen in "Hearth's Warming Eve" is a glimpse of what life would be like in Equestria if Nightmare Moon's plans succeeded.

* How does the green dragon fit in with the events of Dragonshy? In episode 7, they kicked up a fuss over a dragon living in a distant mountain and sleeping there. But here, we have a dragon living in the neighbouring forest and nobody kicks up a fuss about it. [[WatsonianVersusDoylist I think it's an inconsistency caused by there being different writers for the two episodes, but what about an in-universe explanation]]?
** The dragon in dragonshy was going into hibernation, and was going to cover Ponyville in black smoke. the other dragon never showed signs of starting hibernation. Presumably, if/when he starts, Twilight will lead another expedition.
** The entirety of the problem in Dragonshy was the smoke. This one doesn't seem to produce destructive smoke in his sleep, so his presence isn't causing a problem.
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[[folder:[=1.25=] Party of One]]
* Why would anyone think that the "Cupcakes" fanfic would end up being real in this episode? Do those people fail to realize you can't get away with blood and gore on a TV-Y show? All Pinkie did was believe her friends didn't like her, and the only harm she did was slam her ass on Rainbow Dash's face when she refused to come with her. But there certainly weren't any LudicrousGibs to speak of.
** I don't think anyone seriously believed Pinkie was going to start slicing into her friends. The plethora of "CUPCAKES IS CANON!" remarks that came up after that episode seemed largely tongue in cheek.

* I understand that Gummy's party can have few guests but why does Pinkie Pie's Birthday Party only have (with Pinkie) 6 ponies (who organised the party), her pet aligator and a baby dragon? Why it not look more like Twilight's Welcome Party ?
** Nice answer: Pinkie Pie wanted a small, intimate gathering of Gummy's closest and dearest friends (i.e, Pinkie's friends.) Alternatively, no one else wanted to go to a birthday party for Pinkie's creepy, toothless pet -- or she didn't even get around to inviting anyone else. The "singing telegram" thing nearly killed her as is.
** The Poster was referring to the party at the end of the episode(for Pinkie's birthday), not the one for Gummy. Nevertheless, I think I have an answer; The mane cast simply couldn't get away with it. Look at how close they were to letting the surprise slip when only six people were in on it.
** Maybe Pinkie had expressed a preference for small, intimate birthday parties in other years. I mean, she chose the guest list for Gummy's party, and that was just the mane six. Plus, she forgot about her own birthday, so it's probably not that important to her, which means the mission statement of the surprise party might have been less "let's make a huge, awesome party because it's what Pinkie would want us to do" and more "let's surprise Pinkie with an expression of our love, because it's what we want to do." If that makes sense.
*** And the fewer ponies who are in on the secret, the less likely that somepony spills the beans by accident. It was supposed to be a ''surprise'' party, after all.
*** They could have simply told other ponies to come without telling them who the party was for. Ponyville looks like a place that enjoys parties, even if they don't know who the target is.
**** Twilight's welcome party was big because she was new to town and probably didn't have any friends, Pinkie's birthday party seemed to be more of a "close friends only" party. Besides, who could keep a party with everypony in ponyville a surprise? (OTHER than Pinkie Pie)
* Why is everybody so spooked by Pinkie's mad scene in "Party of One"? I thought it was adorable (in a TimBurton sort of way).
** Because seeing the [[GenkiGirl genkiest]] pony in Ponyville turn woobie and rather psychotic is slightly freaky?
** She wasn't psychotic. Psychotic = AxeCrazy. She was just nuts.
*** She wasn't breaking out the axe yet, but she was displaying a whole laundry list of symptoms for various psychotic disorders.
**** I must interject that psychotic has nothing to do with being violent or Axe Crazy. This is a terrible misconception. 'Psychotic' just means 'out of touch with reality'. In this way, Pinkie really was being psychotic. However, psychosis does NOT lead to being murderous (necessarily).
** It was mostly the face twitches and eye-derps. if you leave those out, she's just a sad little girl having a pretend party with her "dollies.".... silly and childish and perfectly in character for her. It's the spastic twitches and staring off into space that move it from cute and funny to really effin' disturbing.
** Cupcakes. A horrible fanfic that many members of the fandom have read has caused many to think Pinkie Pie is a serial killer. This episode made many people believe that it was canon.
*** It's pitiful when a piece of (''bad'') fan faction can color people's perception of a canon episode. Insane or not, Pinkie is an adorable pony and no threat to anybody.
*** Some of us have never read (or have any interest in) ''Cupcakes''. Even her friends were terrified of her in this episode.
*** Her friends seemed more weirded out than terrified.
*** "Weirded out" is the typical emotion Pinkie Pie inspires in her friends on a good day. You can see it at the beginning of the episode, when she's singing their invitations. That look of shock and vauge horror in their eyes, that's pure Pinkie. That's love. Genuinely disturbed/frightened came later.
*** Sure, they were disturbed. But "terrified" is ''still'' a slight stretch.
*** One of your friends is not herself. She's abandoned you and started holding tea parties for inanimate objects. She reacts with open hostility when you try to remove her from her delusions. You ''should'' be disturbed by this. If seeing a friend like this would not disturb you, you are a ''bad friend''. Her friends were worried because there was a ''genuine cause for concern''.
** The scene was very much fun in a BlackComedy kind of way, but even with no indication Pinkie was going to hurt anyone else, it was very dark in another way. ''She'' was in terrible emotional agony that she was trying to cover up with all that, and the results seemed to be damaging to her psyche and social behaviour. Poor thing.
*** ...why the hell would people think Cupcakes would be canon? This is a TV-Y show, you're not supposed to show LudicrousGibs on a show that little kids (and their parents) can watch, despite the other bits of [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar crap that already got through.]] This is My Little Pony, not {{Saw}}.
**** "...why the hell would people think Cupcakes would be canon?" Because people are screwed up sometimes.
** To this troper at least, the speed of Pinkie's transition from normal hyperactive happy to bleak hopelessness and then back again was rather jarring (despite being PlayedForLaughs). It's even remarked upon by Pinkie herself that the other had been avoiding her just "all day." Mood swings that severe and that fast can accompany some forms of Bipolar disorder, making the episode rather uncomfortable at times.
** Pinkie just became an AccentuateTheNegative grump. If you want something really scary, try Twilight in Episode 29; she effectively mind controls the entire town and makes them fight each other over a doll.

* As a result of Pinkie's PerpSweating, Spike confesses that he used up all the hot water to take a seven-hour bubble bath "yesterday". But surely Rarity's suggestion to take a bath, which he overreacted to in usual lovestruck form, happened ''that morning'' before Pinkie tried to invite her to the afterparty. Does he really take that many extravagant baths, or did the writers go for a BrickJoke and err on the payoff?
** On that note, how would a 7-hour bath use up all the hot water? It doesn't matter how long you bathe, it's still using the same amount of water.
*** After a little while, the water gets cold, so you'd have to refill the bath with hot water.
** It's possible bath A was an extravagant, seven-hour bubble bath, and bath 2 was just a quick scrub so he wouldn't smell like garbage any more. Just because Spike took a bath on two consecutive days (and hopefully more than just that) doesn't mean they're ''all'' necessarily "extravagant."
*** True, but "took a seven-hour bubble bath because he wanted to enjoy it" isn't nearly as amusing as "took a seven-hour bubble bath because ''[[LoveMakesYouCrazy Raaaarity]]'' wanted him to wash up".
** Simple: Spike took a seven hour bubble bath the day before because he knew he was going to be working with Rarity the next day.
*** This also might be considered Fridge Brilliance when you notice Spikes' absence during the Singing Telegram and Gummy's party. He was bathing that whole time!
** Which makes the fact that she then makes him take out the garbage HilariousInHindsight.

* How did Pinkie attribute anything other than parties to her friends' behaviour? She was aware that secret confections were being purchased; how could the pony of parties not link secret cake to surprise parties immediately?
** She probably tough they were having a party ''without her''
** At the end of the episode she immediately assumes that it is her own farewell party, perhaps after perp sweating Spike, she had already come to that conclusion.
** Her special talent is hosting parties. If she thought her friends were betraying her, finding out that they were having a party without her would make it seem like they were rubbing it into her face that they didn't want her and didn't need her.

* During Pinkie Pie's interrogation of Spike, he confesses to spilling juice over one of Twilight's books. Given that this suggests he hasn't told ''Twilight'' this yet, does that mean he learned nothing from last week's episode? You know, when he ruined one of her books and didn't own up to it?
** Not necessarily. AnachronicOrder, remember? It's possible that this episode happened ''before'' that one. Or it's possible he just hasn't had a chance to tell her, since she's been running around helping to prepare a surprise party all day, and hasn't been home.
** Spilling juice on a page is less heinous than incinerating an entire book. It would be in-character for Spike to push his luck a bit by seeing if he could get away with a minor infraction of trust. "OK, so there's a little apple juice on this word here, but hey, at least I didn't give you a hardback filled with ashes again, eh Twilight?"

* Come to that, why is Spike so myopic in this episode? Surely, if Pinkie Pie's hair deflates and she starts looking sad and says that her friends don't love her anymore, he would at least have picked up on that and said something in their defence, or looked confused? The writers could have had her run out of the room before he can explain, or have her throw him out before he can explain, thus preserving the episode's events without making Spike look like a SociopathicHero.
** RuleOfFunny.
** He was hungry for the gems.
** Personally, it looked to me that he was so ''terrified'' by her aggressive tone and mood, he simply blurted out everything she demanded him to say, just to get her off his spine.
*** The actual moral of the episode is: "Push somepony hard enough, and he'll tell you he started the great Canterlot fire- now, that don't necessarily make it buckin' so!"
** Spike seems myopic a lot of the time: In "Applebuck Season", he tries to get the ponies to eat the "baked bads", despite having seen an entire room of ponies poisoned by them; in "Suited for Success", he calls Rarity out onto the stage and cheers and claps, not noticing Hoity Toity's disparaging comments, the utter silence of the crowd, or Rarity's obvious humiliation; and in "Over a Barrel", he repeats the same pattern of being the only one clapping and cheering at the end of Pinkie Pie's awful song. It actually would have been ''more'' out of character for him to notice Pinkie Pie's depression.
* Given that Pinkie knows every single pony in Ponyville and is friends with all of them, what would ''normally'' happen in this situation is that she tries to hang out / have a party with some other ponies (who she will try to make her new "best friends".) Or at least that's the most common trope IMO. It's a bit strange that she doesn't do that. (In retrospect, though, perhaps it was better she didn't, for the sanity of those other poor ponies who would have had to endure her ranting about her "ex-friends". It would have been an awkward party indeed. Although that's ''also'' how the typical storyline goes.)
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[[folder:[=1.26=] The Best Night Ever]]
* Okay, I know that they wanted to save Luna's major reappearences for season 2, but...I mean, come on, "Best Night Ever" centered around (presumably) the single biggest, most important event in Equestria, at ''night'', no less, and they couldn't even be bothered to put in even a small cameo? There's saving the good stuff for next season, and then there's just being ''lazy''.
** Don't you dare call Lauren Faust "lazy".
** In-show explanation: why in the world would Luna agree to go to such a terribly boring party?
** Maybe Luna still feels ashamed of her actions as Nightmare Moon, so she doesn't attend public events.
** Maybe she's working. As the moon goddess she kinda has to work the late shift.
*** Like for the party at night?
*** Night shift would at least explain why she's never had a reason to appear at any other point during this season.
** It's likely that Luna would have kept her distance during the Gala because she's still uncomfortable about her public image (a concept soon to be explored in S2E4, ''Luna Eclipsed''). If you were essentially an ex-criminal, would you show your face at a grand event attended almost entirely by the judgmental upper-class? Considering that we ''see for ourselves'' what dicks they can be?
** Plus she's been on a thousand year hiatus, and has [[FanFic/{{Progress}} a lot of catching up to do]]. That's not the best time to mingle with the elite, unless you're ''very'' confident and secure (and the circumstances of her transformation into Nightmare Moon - loneliness and envy, both of which indicate issues with self-image - suggest she is not.)
*** Including language lessons. A thousand years of linguistic drift is a LOT to catch up on. We're lucky she didn't gallop into Ponyville on Nightmare Night and start belting out Middle Equestrian (referencing Middle English here), unable to explain anything intelligably to any but the most devoted of language scholars.
**** That would also explain why she didn't understand "fun". She understood the concept perfectly, but the word used to describe it was unfamiliar. So when she realized they were describing what she thought of as, I dunno, "fhynne", she feigned ignorance to cover up the gap in her vocabulary lessons.

* So, is The Best Night Ever supposed to take place right after The Ticket Master? As in, they get their tickets and that night they go to the gala? The events of both episodes link up if you watch both right after the other, what with them living their dreams from The Ticket Master (well, as best as they can anyway)but the fact that they are wearing the dresses Rarity made them in an earlier episode seems to imply that they were two different Galas. If this is the case then it turns into a different headscratcher, if they were already at a gala then they should have already known what to expect at one and not have had their expectations so high. Just something that crossed my mind after rewatching them.
** There's lots of fan speculation on the exact order of the episodes, but it's generally assumed that The Ticket Master is followed by Suited For Success which is followed by The Best Night Ever. This is easily defensible by the fact that the cast are attending their first Gala in The Best Night Ever (based on the fact that Pinkie, Twilight, and Applejack completely misjudge the nature of the Gala) and are wearing the dresses made in Suited For Success. If they had attended a previous Gala off-screen, Twilight would have known better than to expect a monopoly on Celestia's time, Pinkie would have understood the tone, and Applejack would have prepared a better business strategy.
*** That's so obvious it isn't a matter for speculation. There's no reason for why the characters couldn't dream about what they will do at the Gala, then get dresses made, and then go to the Gala and still expect the same things there.
** They're not going to the Gala that night, because ''it isn't on'' that night; the invitations were received well in advance. They're just taking Twilight out for dinner.
** I just assumed that the order in which the episodes were released was the chronological order too, even if it leads to oddities like Winter Wrap-Up being two episodes ahead of the Running of the Leaves.
** The Grand Galloping Gala is quite literally the biggest annual event in Equestria. Tickets were no doubt received WELL in advance, it's not unreasonable that planning for the next Gala starts as soon as the previous one ends. While it might seem odd that Twilight takes her dress to Rarity well before the event, it seems most likely that the dress was her usual formal outfit, and she damaged it recently, and that she mentions the Gala because that's her next scheduled formal event where she would wear it.

* Beside Rarity and Twilight, ''none'' of the core cast really could be excused of their atrocious conduct in the Galloping Gala. I mean, yeah it wasn't what they expected but what right does that give them to ruin the night for the rest of the guests? They were '' especially invited'' (i.e: excused), without really having earned the place to an exclusive party which is implied to be a very old tradition. Truly, they were pardoned because it was all a Plan of Celestia and nobody would dare to mess with the freaking Physical Goddess but still; the entire Aesop came very broken and warped, implying you could be a total ass (or a complete psychopath in case of Fluttershy) and ruin the night of the people around you if they don't meet your unreasonable expectations? Once again, Rarity was the peak of decorum and patience and her final explosion was more [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome than]] [[KickTheSonOfABitch justified]] but the rest of the cast acted like spoiled brats needing of a well deserved talk.
** They overreacted. Simple as that. Applejack had her heart set on getting money for helping out the farm, and when that didn't play out, she got upset and started doing things that clearly wouldn't work because she stopped thinking. Fluttershy lives for helping animals. If you suddenly proved useless at what you literally live for, how would you feel? Rainbow Dash had her heart set on spending time with the Wonderbolts. To have that torn away CONSTANTLY would be aggravating, I'm surprised she didn't come as close to swearing somepony out as a kids' show would allow instead of just trying little things. Pinkie simply expected something better and didn't think to stop and check out the surroundings.
** Maybe I need to watch it again, but I don't think Rainbow Dash and Applejack did anything inexcusable either. Okay, Rainbow Dash shouldn't have kicked that other pony into the air so she could rescue him, but other than that she didn't do anything wrong, and all Applejack did was bring in the cake that Pinkie jumped into. So you can blame it all on Pinkie Pie and Fluttershy.
*** Yeah, seriously this. While yes, I suppose you ''could'' make an arguement for Rainbow destroying that statue (even though it was an accident), all Applejack did was ''bake a freaking cake''. How the hell is that "atrocious behavior"?!
**** Applejack was more subdued, but her means of coercion before resorting to the cake ''were'' out of line. Just not egregiously so.
**** Rainbow Dash breaking the statue doesn't count at all. It's the one thing she ''didn't'' plan. She just saw an opportunity to be a hero and took her best shot at it.
*** Applejack's entire REASON for going to the Gala was wrong. She set up a food stand to sell her own cheap food directly in front of a fully-catered party, and when she naturally didn't sell anything she began pestering people to buy her apples regardless. It's like if the ice cream man decided to park outside of somebody else's party and kept blaring "The Entertainer" until he sold all of his ice cream. It's just rude.
*** You have to remember that this is ''Applejack'' we're talking about here. As we saw in Manehattan, she's not the best pony when it comes to knowledge of formal affairs, let alone the Grand Galloping Gala which she had never been to, which means she probably had no clue it would be a fully catered party also considering the fact that not all formal affairs are guaranteed to be catered. After all, the reason she didn't get much business isn't because she was being rude or appropriate, it's because she was serving common food, which with the exception of the Wonderbolts, most of the snobbish ponies just ignored. This is even lampshaded by [[{{Jerkass}} Prince Blueblood]] who bites into a free apple fritter and spits it out not because it doesn't taste good, but because he considers it "common carnival fare". It's not like Applejack had any idea that nopony there would like to give her food a chance, and she wanted to use the profit to help her family.
*** Rainbow Dash was trying to avert a disaster when she caught the statue - if she hadn't, it would have broken for certain. The pillars falling down can be blamed entirely on whatever lousy builder they hired from the DisasterDominoes School of Architecture. Fluttershy screwed up big time, but she was suffering from some sort of CMFIS-induced psychotic break which nopony, especially her, saw coming. Pinkie's behaviour was inexcusable, but honestly, she shouldn't have been left unattended at a formal occasion.
** I thought that was the moral of the episode: they all expected too much and ruined the night because of it. They should have just concentrated on having a good time with their friends. Although I agree the point gets blurred because Princess Celestia's forgiveness makes a KarmaHoudini out of all them.
*** Celestia's only being fair; she invited the Mane Cast to the Gala ''specifically because'' they would have no idea how to fit in and would therefore disrupt the proceedings entertainingly. She even says this explicitly. If that's why she brought them to the dance, she can hardly punish them for doing it. Even if she did get much, much more than she'd bargained for.
**** As a side note concerning Applejack, UrbanLegend claims that the hot dog stand outside the Stockholm City Hall does it's best business early and late in the evening on December 10th, i.e. before and after the Nobel Prize Gala, which is held there every year. Make of that what you will...
** Fluttershy also was okay, because if you loved animals, you would want them to love you.
** As for Pinkie Pie... well, you can't honestly expect [[CrazyAwesome PINKIE PIE]] to follow formalities. She's Pinkie Pie for a reason.

* Fluttershy going batshit insane at the GGG was hilarious and all, but has that particular moment tainted or completely destroyed her character? Will it be possible to think of her the same way once more? Granted, we'll have to wait until Season 2 to get a proper answer.
** It might help if they take an episode to explore WHY she flipped out, or to explain why her gift with animals failed so horribly... or maybe to show she wasn't herself, and that she's mortified/horrified at how she acted so badly. We're all allowed to have a day off our best.
** My guess is that we're all supposed to laugh about the gala and then forget about it. Chances are it won't be mentioned again next season unless the gala rolls around again. As for why the animals didn't like her, my best guess is that they don't like strangers. The only other explanation I can think of right now is that while the animals around Ponyville are essentially tame, these animals were wild. But that would be strange because animals in cities tend to fear humans (or in this case ponies) less, and presumably these animals are still being cared for by ponies.
** It's not like it hasn't happened to everyone else. The show loves to push these ponies until they break, and Fluttershy's so introverted and restrained that it was always likely to be very impressive in her case. The animals, not being native to the area are likely just very nervous around strange ponies, and Fluttershy (who's most unattractive flaw is her arrogance in her own abilities, see 'Stare Master', 'Suited for Success' and 'Bird in the Hoof') just started to become increasingly irrational as her ego collapsed around her (again, 'Bird in the Hoof').
*** It just seems so out of character for her. One would expect that being rejected by all the animals would cause her to become depressed, not the crazy bitch she briefly was. Some fans have joked that the Gala happened around Fluttershy's "[[MenstrualMenace time of the month]]".
*** A fellow brony on my home forum explained as her having built up meeting the animals in the garden all year in her mind. In other words, she had difficulty accepting that things weren't going ''exactly'' as she'd dreamed. From this, we can reason that her natural ability with animals started slipping, for whatever reason - lack of focus, losing her usual demeanor, whatever. The less the situation matched her idealized dream, the more she started to fall apart, resulting in [[FanNickname Flutterage.]]
** I have several theories explaining her tantrum-
*** FreudianExcuse explanation: Fluttershy's special talent is her empathy with animals. That's what her cutie mark symbolises. She loves animals, but if she can't earn their love in return, it means that she's basically failed at her purpose in life, therefore, her life has no meaning. To suddenly fail at the main thing that you're good at can be pretty upsetting, to say the least.
*** Very Silly WildMassGuessing: The gardener offered her a drink of whiskey from a hip flask to cheer her up after her first attempt to befriend the animals failed. He kept giving her a drink after each failed attempt, leading to a drunken rampage by the end of the night.
*** This. Can this be canon?
*** Most likely explanation: RuleOfFunny. It was probably just an OutOfCharacterMoment played for laughs.
** But to answer the original question, I agree that it most likely won't be brought up again in canon. But we can still have fun with the meme it generated!
** Wasn't it said by WordOfGod that Princess Luna's transformation into Nightmare Moon was caused by "something or someone"? Maybe he/she/it was behind Fluttershy's breakdown...
*** Um...not everything negative is caused by evil forces. Otherwise, then I'd have to say that anyone rude IRL is possessed.
** Fluttershy strikes me as the kind of pony who, due to her incredible shyness, bottles her outspoken negative emotions inside. Then, when things really start to get irritating, it causes any bottled up anger to overflow.
*** Fluttershy seems to run on BewareTheNiceOnes -- look at what she does to the dragon and the cockatrice. Intimidation tends to be somewhat handicapped when your target has every ability to destroy you without even thinking, but it works. Oh, and I did see a fic somewhere that suggested the earlier idea. For one, Fluttershy had built up the idea of how things would go ... and for another, she wasn't actually ''using'' her special skill and ability to soothe creatures, thus shocking the hummingbirds out of humming and the buzzard out of buzzing.
** I just mentally filed the whole thing as an OutOfCharacterMoment. If the writers wanted Fluttershy to get that angry, the animals should have been ''jerks'', like biting her or throwing stuff at her or whatever.
*** Actually, when one does a close analysis of Fluttershy's character, and picks up on a couple hints, the 'Flutterrage' outburst doesn't seem like an OutOfCharacter moment, instead seems like a bad mixture of variables to produce a 'powder keg ready to blow' situation. Let's go over them:
####First off, as seen in 'Dragonshy,' 'Stare Master,' and 'Suited for Success,' Fluttershy can be very assertive, even borderline aggressive when pushed to the point that she's forced to come out of her shell of shyness, instead of just breaking down and crying, or something like that.
####Secondly, there have been hints that Fluttershy actually has an arrogant streak. These hints can be seen in her rant in 'Suited For Success' (most, if not all, of her rant was about the stitching and technical aspects of the dress, things she's really good at, giving little to no consideration to the fashion of the dress, which is what Rarity was concerned about) which she even ends with the stereotypical 'arrogant nose in the air' stance, her reason for agreeing to look after the CMC in 'Stare Master' (Fluttershy honestly believed that since she was great at taking care of animals, she would be great at taking care of children), and the fact she kidnapped Princess Celestia's sickly bird in 'Bird in a Hoof' (She took Philomena and tried to cure her, without even thinking out the implications of what she did, or that there was more to the strange bird than a simple sick bird). This aspect of her personality is normally kept in check by her kindness, as she doesn't want to hurt others' feelings.
####Thirdly, Fluttershy was following the 'advice' Twilight had given her in 'Bird in the Hoof' ("I just have to be more bold, like Twilight says." - Fluttershy, as she's setting up the stereotypical box and stick trap.) This is similar to when she did the 'hop-skip-and-a-jump' in 'Feeling Pinkie Keen.' Pinkie had given that advice all the way back in 'Dragonshy' but at the time, Fluttershy didn't take it in.
####Fourthly, there is the common pattern and fan-theory of Cutie Mark Failure Insanity Syndrome (or CMFIS for short) in which, whenever a pony's special talent comes into question (like when Fluttershy has trouble getting animals to love her) it can trigger a breakdown that causes the pony's personality to temporarily become the opposite of what it normally is.
**** So in conclusion, all these factors, combined with the general high expectations of the night, made for a recipe for disaster. So the writers weren't putting Fluttershy in an OutOfCharacterMoment for fun and plot, but where stacking the variables so that it would make the deepest and darkest parts of who Fluttershy is explode out.
** The problem with her behaviour obviously stems from how it didn't get enough buildup. There wasn't a whole episode to explain it (or what caused the factors that caused it) like for, say, Pinkie Pie's psychosis. I assume it would have made sense if fully explained.
** ...That said, some of the explanations here almost seem to make it make less sense. For example, Fluttershy taking in the CMC or Philomena seems more naivety than arrogance, and not even based on unreasonable assumptions, since she usually just ''is'' freakishly good with all sorts of critters. (And really, the problem is that the critters on those occasions are willfull and "intelligent"; animals may be sort of intelligent in this series, but they react much more simply regardless. Except Angel, and, though he likes Fluttershy, she can't just wrap him around her hoof with her natural charm, either.) That same assumption is certainly present in "The Best Night Ever", but is it arrogance? This, of course, makes the biggest question just why those animals don't automatically fall for her. And, again, an excuse would have been easy to come up with with some time for buildup.
** I tend to think it had something to do with how unfamilure she is with the situation. Think about it, really the only ones she's really comfortable with meeting for the first time is animals, and they suddenly start ignoring her after she'd dreamed of being able to hang out with them. Unlike other times, her friends ''aren't'' there, they're all inside the Gala, somewhere that Fluttershy would probably be very uncomfortable, what with all the people she doesn't know (remember how shy she was when she met Twilight, she could barely speak above a whisper). As mentioned, she's somewhat naive, to her, all she needs to do to get them to like her is try harder, she's never really met an animal that ''didn't'' like her before, outside ones that were causing major trouble. It's been shown that when she gets mad, she's snapped before, but those times it was to an enemy. This time, her anger and frustration was directed to someone she wanted to befriend really hard, so letting it out in that fashion wasn't an option. The whole night was just a compounded amount of things she'd never experienced before, she really had no idea how to deal with it, which probably put a huge amount of stress on her. It's actually not uncommon for someone to go temporarally crazy when confronted with a massive amount of stress and in a situation they have no idea how to react to. When you really think about it, the whole situation was nearly custom made to make Fluttershy snap.
** Two points on Fluttershy's breakdown: One: Cutie Mark Insanity Syndrome. Two: Meta. It was actually a mini-version of what happened to Luna when she became Nightmare Moon... all she wanted was to be loved by creatures she showed kindness to, and instead she was fled from and shunned. It's possible this might have been a foreshadowing of her having a bonding moment with the moon princess in season 2.
*** As to "why her gift with animals failed so horribly," I think many people are overlooking the obvious: most of the time, she is helping animals. She feeds them, tends their injuries, protects them, wakes them from their hibernation, even reassures them when they are frightened, etc. They love her in no small part because of what she does for them. At the gala, she simply shows up in the royal gardens and expects to be loved.
*** Agreed. I always figured the animals' flippancy was supposed to be analogous to the way the ''actual'' Gala guests treated the common folk, as if to suggest "arrogant royals, from the king himself right down to the animals in the courtyard, are arrogant royals." Or... [[WildMassGuessing maybe not]].
** Her breakdown was gradual. First, she simply flies up to them in her usual cheery excitement, and when they flee she mutters sadly; "Oh Fluttershy, you're such a loudmouth." Then she sadly says; "This isn't what I wished for." Hence she joins in with the Mane Six's vow to make this the best night ever. Then she sets up a trap so that she can catch one, telling herself "I just have to be more bold like Twilight says." She even tries to be her usual reassuring self when she thinks she's caught one, but is annoyed when it fails. Then she starts clumsily chasing them, highly annoyed and stomping and shouting at them. Then she sets a ''trap'' for them, which [[HoistByHisOwnPetard she falls into herself]], which can't be good for her temper. Then the infamous stampede and the line: "You're going to LOVE ME!" That's her idea of being assertive, which then gets sidetracked by her increasing frustration, and so she takes it out on the animals who are starting to be less amusing and more annoying to her. It's not like we've ever seen Fluttershy get properly riled over something she ''really'' wanted to do before and which wasn't this personal to her. HiddenDepths, that one.
** Plus, who has she got as a role model for being assertive and bold? Twilight? Think "Feeling Pinkie Keen" and "A Bird in the Hoof". Rainbow Dash? Think LeeroyJenkins meets BrutalHonesty. Honestly, rewatch Fluttershy's scenes and imagine she's mimicking one of them two as her role model for being bold.

* Am I the only one wondering how Twilight's dress was ruined at the end of "The Best Night Ever"? She wasn't involved in any of the shenanigans of the night after all.
** While they were leaving, they probably met up with fleeing ponies and other critters, offscreen.
*** Or was rammed by the fleeing ponies as she and Celestia got to the wreckage.
** NoodleIncident.
*** As funny as that would be, it's unlikely. She was with Celestia the whole time.
*** ... Given [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation the treatment Celestia gets put through]] by the brony community, that could make for an even ''funnier'' NoodleIncident.
** Animal stampede messed it up.

* Is Blueblood really that much of a jerk? He wanted the same thing as Rarity, really; to be fawned over for being special. Rarity is only mad at him because he's demanding the same things of her that she wants from him. Does it really come down to gender roles?
** Well, let's see. Ignoring the fact that he was being very rude to her, he insulted Rarity's good friend Applejack and used Rarity as a HumanShield. That's pretty jerky. He never once gave a thought to how his date was doing or check on her after being hit by a door or what have you. The two of them are similar, yes. But Rarity is generous, hard-working, and a good friend. Blueblood is none of these things. I think part of the reason Rarity comes to hate Blueblood so much is because Blueblood is basically herself without her redeeming qualities.
** Being a royal usually means being rich. Yet he makes Rarity pay for a treat that he quickly spits out and decides to go to the (presumably) free meal offered inside without leaving her a chance to even grab something for herself! Good thing Applejack was generous with her friend!
*** Rarity ''would'' have paid for it, but Applejack gave it to her free of charge.
** Rarity likes to be fawned over, but she's also a good person. Remember how she worked so hard to make free dresses for her friends in that other episode, for instance. Blueblood would never work hard for anybody, far as I can tell.
** It's called ''noblesse oblige''; the idea that those in privileged positions have a countervailing obligation to act honorably and responsibly. Rarity does her best to live up to that trope despite not actually being nobility; Blueblood is a walking negation of it despite having been handed high noble status just for being born. (As opposed to, oh, Celestia, who is the walking incarnation of ''noblesse oblige''.)
** Frankly, gender and other roles do seem to play a part. But even without that, Blueblood is so self-obsessed he barely even sees anyone else even when he's interacting with them. Even when being told off royally by Rarity, all he seemed to register was that she was messy. Everything around him was just an accessory to himself.
** He also has no sense of romance. When he points out the roses to Rarity, his action is not to woo her but to pin it to his own chest. He also makes her put down her cloak so that he can step over a puddle, and makes her open a door for him. These are all signs that he thinks ItsAllAboutMe, practically the defining attribute of a {{Jerkass}}.
** Having no sense of romance is hardly a genuine fault, and Rarity was just as self-centered in those two instances, insisting that he put down ''his'' cloak and open the door for ''her''. Blueblood is a {{Jerkass}}, no doubt, but gender roles ''definitely'' come into play.
*** OK, I'll throw my hands up: having no sense of romance isn't a fault. It does have a lot to do with gender roles.
*** I've always liked the fanon that Blueblood was deliberately [[{{Troll}} screwing with her]], because he knows what she's here for and having dealt with countless other mares with the same vapid dream, refuses to play the part.
** Rarity is defined by her generosity. If Blueblood had offered to pay for the food, Rarity might well have insisted that she pay anyway, but instead 'he expected her to do so from step one'. Likewise, he couldn't be generous in words or even in with something as inexpensive as a flower.
** There's also class disparity. Blueblood is probably always treated like royalty. Rarity had only just reached that level of opulence. She wanted one night when she could be treated like a lady, and all she got was a stallion who wanted her to treat him as more important. Rarity was upset, but at least it was kind of defensible on both sides (though Blueblood does come across as a downplayed EntitledBastard). Using her as a living shield, and then ignoring her TheReasonYouSuckSpeech because he was worrying too much about getting his mane messy, was just inconsiderate.
** In this Troper's opinion, there's an additional element that makes Blueblood's behavior much worse. Most of what he did was petty annoyances, but the CONTEXT made it much worse because he was "leading Rarity on." He was polite to Rarity and intentionally gave off an impression that he wanted Rarity's company when they first met, even if only so Rarity could flatter him. THEN he treated her like trash. If he hated Rarity's company he had the option to tell her, "Please leave. I'm not the stallion you think I am. I'm actually a jerk." Rarity probably would have been crushed but understood and taken it like a mare. Instead, Blueblood kept Rarity around and used her crush on him to make her wait on him hand and foot. So it's not so much some specific thing Blueblood did that made him so awful, it's the fact that he had better options for how to behave and didn't take them.
*** Also, coming from this same Troper, there's something else: Most of what Blueblood did was rude in a petty manner...except that's a lot of "most." Meaning, he was rude the whole time! If someone you care about uses you as a shield to block a cake once, you could chalk that off to him being in a bad mood. But if he does that after spending the entire evening engaging in petty but jerkish behavior, that involves an "underlying mindset" that no one matters but himself. Just like, for example, if your boss insults you once, it's an off day, but if he insults you every single day for little to no reason, he's probably a dominating tyrant.
** Rarity and Blueblood both acted like self-centered, attention seeking jerks the entire time they were together. Who knows how long they would've argued over who'd pay for the apple fritters if Applejack hadn't given them for free? If Blueblood was worse, it wasn't by much. Rarity's rant, while valid, was a bit hypocritical and the episode didn't seem to acknowledge that.
*** Having rewatched the episode, it's actually ''Blueblood'' who initiates the contact with Rarity; Rarity makes herself visible to him, but he's the one who came over to talk to her, which implies that he was either interested or trying to appear such. It wasn't like Rarity was hanging on him or anything; he definitely gave her the idea that he was interested in her company when he wasn't. If he didn't want her around, he could have just ignored her. Going by what we see, it looks like he's specifically approaching her an leading her on solely so she can stroke his ego.

* At the beginning of "Best Night Ever" , Rarity pulls her charms on some boys and they pull the cart. Really? Way to be subtle about the males being pretty unnecessary as the literal workhorse. I thought Faust was trying not to do this and that we don't have to worry about a SlidingScaleOfGenderInequality. Why were the guys treated in such a manner?
** Well, they mentioned they were her neighbors. Given how generous Rarity is, it's not that hard to take it as the men paying back a favor.
** Also, when Spike treats them like real-life workhorses, they immediately protest against it. As with the carriages in "Over a Barrel", the concept is played for laughs.
** This troper saw it more like playing with the stereotype of guys always being willing to help attractive lady with something including physical labor, imagine a woman asking her neighbours to carry her sofa to the second floor or something. Nothing too offensive about that.
*** In a way it also sets up Rarity's expectations for her interactions with Prince Blueblood, which does not go nearly as planned.
** It's a clear play of the stereotype, I don't see how that can be denied. But what I ''also'' don't see is how anyone can construe it as offensive - it's a joke, deal with it. Besides, when Spike whips them, they ''glare back'', as [[DontExplainTheJoke workhorses are literally people in this world]]. If Rarity's charms send an anti-male message, then this certainly sends a pro-male one in response - "do not treat us like beasts to be kicked around."
** Why the worry? They're doing her a favour, not being abused. It was a one-off event, after all - if she exploited stallions regularly, which she doesn't, then there might be grounds for complaint.
** I got the impression that pulling someone's carriage is the equivalent of driving someone somewhere. Sure, in that case, there's actual physical labour involved, but it doesn't seem to be too extreme. The real life equivalent would be that the girls rented a limousine and asked the guys to drive them because they can't do it themselves in their fancy get-ups. It's not the equivalent of carrying them in a litter.

* At the end of "Best Night Ever", Rarity accidentally ends up leaving her glass shoe behind and Pinkie Pie notices it and explains its worth to Rarity, only to have her break it soon after. I get that it's supposed to subvert the climax / ending of "Literature/{{Cinderella}}", but couldn't she have just, you know, put that shoe on by herself (or at least carry it by her mouth) instead of, you know, just stomping on it? I mean, why not break all of those shoes that she's wearing while she's at it? Not to mention the shards that would most likely hurt her for weeks to come...
** Emotions were running high at that point. Also, if you're making footwear out of glass it would almost have to be "safety" glass that wouldn't get stabby when broken. Chalk it up to yet more SchizoTech.
** Hoofs are less vulnerable than normal feet. And imagine what she was thinking when this fact was pointed out to her. She obviously understood the reference and the meaning. She was frightened by the meaning.
** Also, RuleOfFunny.

* Does this bother anyone else that almost everyone at the Grand Galloping Gala had those fancy sophisticated outfits, but the princess herself showed up in her regular attire? After all the fuss about creating proper Gala dresses for mane characters in "Suited for success", this troper couldn't wait for the final episode to see what pimped-out dress Celestia would wear (maybe because he saw DA fanart of Luna wearing a really pretty one too) and then it turned out she went for the standard "collar plus crown" combination that she always wears on occassions far less formal than GGG.
** She is God Princess, she looks great and noble every times and no dress or lack of it change this. Also Celestria doesn't like GGG so she might hate fancy dresses, at least for it.
*** Possibly if she starting wearing dresses, ponies would expect her to wear them at many occasions.
** ErmineCapeEffect Aren't most of Celestia's appearances formal to begin with? (Despite what she wants, too.) If anything, it would be interesting to see what she's wearing when she's off the clock.
** It could be a subtle way of signaling the guests not to be so uptight about the Gala.
** She has flaming hair forged out of rainbows and is twice as tall as everyone else. She doesn't need a dress to be notable at a party, and the flaming hair probably cements her status as godly overlord better than any fancy dress.

* In "Best Night Ever" there's this lovely cello playing pony, fan-named Octavia. She's playing cello, and her cutie mark is a ''Treble Clef''! A reasonable explanation is that she plays more than one instrument, and was just playing cello at the time... but as a violinist, this really bugs me.
** It's probably out of convenience since ponies in general seem to be unable to stand on their hind legs for a long period of time. At least the Cello can partially support her weight as she is standing (although balancing while playing an instrument that is also supporting some of your weight sounds difficult enough as it is). Although that also brings up how she's holding onto the bow and even playing when she doesn't have any fingers...
** According to TheOtherWiki, the treble clef is "sometimes used, along with tenor clef, for the highest notes played by bass-clef instruments such as the cello..." On second thought I doubt there's any violinists on the staff.
** Octavia's a musician; thus, her cutie mark symbolises music in general.
*** Likely this. A treble clef is probably just more recognizable than a bass clef (especially in a show for girls, who very rarely use a bass clef unless they play an instrument in that range or have an unusually low voice).
** Most likely the above. Treble Clefs are typically used to represent music in general. They always have been and always will be. They're prettier and swirlier than a bass Clef. Plus, Octavia's talent might not be cello specifically, it could be something else entirely, but she just happens to be very good at cello and they needed a cellist for that night and their regular cellist was gone for whatever reason.
* Near the end of ''Best Night Ever'', in the infamous scene where Blueblood uses Rarity as a shield against a flying cake, why didn't either of them use magic to stop it? Levitation is a talent every unicorn has, so shouldn't they have been able to stop it without much trouble?
** Perhaps to levitate things, unicorns have to be able to, er, "aim" at them as if they're going to grab them, and trying to levitate a flying cake while in a panic was too difficult a task. Or they both [[ForgotAboutHisPowers forgot they could]].
*** Yes. Magic takes a bit of focus. In the pillow fight in "Look Before You Sleep", Rarity gets hit by a few pillows at first, before eventually telekinetically grabbing some from the air as they come towards her and sending them back.
** Or perhaps Blueblood thought using magic himself was beneath him and Rarity was too surprised/shocked and didn't have time to cast anything.
*** It's also a very ''large'' cake; the only unicorn on the show we've seen lift anything of comparable size is Twilight Sparkle. It may have been beyond Rarity's weight limit. (And Blueblood, useless twit that he is, probably strains to lift anything heavier than a comb.)
**** Not so, in a previous episode, Rarity levitated half a dozen mannequins at once with no visible effort, and in a future episode she summons a couch. More then likely Rarity was caught by surprise, and Blueblood can't stand the thought of doing anything for himself

* Why does Celestia hold the gala every year if she hates it at this point? She's an absolute monarch ruling by her own divine right, so its not like she can't get rid of any laws mandating it, and court protocol is almost by definition whatever she wants it to be...
** Because it has 1000+ years of tradition behind it, giving it an inertia of sorts. It's a high-society affair, so the nobles and aristocrats will look forward to attending so they can rub elbows, learn juicy secrets, and hopefully figure out a way to manipulate their way into an even better position. Other ponies will want to attend as well, if they can, considering it is a big, high-society event, so simply attending would be a mark of status. If Celestia canceled the Gala, then all those ponies would be upset and upset nobility can make Celestia's job worse by subtly working against her and undermining her efforts to get things done, while upsetting the lower classes that dreamed of going to the Gala [[CaptainObvious gives you upset lower classes,]]and upsetting them too much can lead to revolution.\\
There are also businesses that use the Gala to generate revenue, like Carousel Boutique. Rarity mentions making dresses for ponies that are going to attend the Gala in 'The Ticket Master.' While the Gala being canceled probably wouldn't hurt those businesses, they would be upset at the loss of that revenue.\\
So basically, Celestia has to keep holding the Gala, and keep attending, and keep greeting everypony that walks into the Gala or she will get some grief from those that want the Gala, potentially for weeks, months, maybe even the rest of the year. Maybe even longer, depending on how hard the nobility of Equestria stick to their grudges. So a night of absolute boredom for relatively smooth running the rest of the time sounds like a pretty good idea for me.
** It might have had a more interesting origin - perhaps originally it was a celebration of harmony after Discord or Nightmare Moon were defeated, and over the centuries it stagnated.

* Am I the only one who had a serious [[WhatTheHellHero What The Hay Princess]] moment with Celestia? She invited the mane cast KNOWING THAT THEY WOULD RUIN THE GALA!! Maybe she wasn't expecting them to go as far as they did, but judging by her reaction at the end of the episode; what happened was well within her expectations. I know that she personally hated the gala, but what about the other guests who were probably enjoying themselves? She ruined their night and put them in danger all because she felt bored.
** Like you said, Celestia most likely had no way of knowing they'd go that far. Also, RuleOfPerception. We're not really given insight into most of the party-goers, and the few that are given focus are portrayed unsympathetically, with the exception of the Wonderbolts. Still, it doesn't explain everything else you mentioned, so I'm assuming that the writers just didn't want you to look that closely. While it's a very unsatisfying answer, I don't think there's a better one then "it's just a show, I should really just relax."
** Most likely, Celestia was under the impression that the ponies would stay as a group and have a good time. They probably would have upset the other guests just the same being loud and stuff, and that was how she planned to have things spiced up.
** Exactly, I feel like it was just a case of GoneHorriblyRight. Celestia wanted them to spice things up a bit, but had no way of knowing that would happen. Did she kind of enjoy the excitement? Probably yes. But it probably wasn't what she intended.
*** She may have seen it developing and gone SureWhyNot?
** Also, no one actually got seriously hurt, so it was manageable.

* Twilight is among the "mane cast" to make the promise to make the Gala "The Best Night Ever". And she...proceeds to stand with Celestia and continue shaking hooves and doesn't do anything till the Gala's nearly destroyed?
** Her dream was to spend the night with Celestia, and that didn't go so well. It's clearly shown they weren't even in the same room for all the destruction. They only arrived after everything was said and done.

* It ''REALLY'' bugs me that the Wonderbolts blew Rainbow Dash off the entire time. I know they're celebrities and all, but this isn't the average talented fan we're talking about here. Rainbow Dash saved their LIVES, and managed to pull of a Sonic Rainboom at the same time, something which is very close to legendary among pegasi. Surely that merits a little more attention than what they gave?
** They're celebrities at a big, important event. They had to spread out their time among all the various people that came to see them. It was just exaggerated for the sake of plot. You'll notice that, at one point, they are literally dragged away from Rainbow for a photo. They were trying.
** She does get special treatment from them, Spitfire explicitly thanks her for saving their lives (and Soarin's pie) before inviting her to come and hang out with them in the [=VIP=] section. The problem comes in that every time they try to socialize with Rainbow, something happens to pull them away.

* Am I the only one who was bothered by how irresponsible Twilight was for abandoning Spike as soon as she got to the Gala? Remember that Spike is, by his species' standards, a ''child''. Even if you don't consider Twilight to be a surrogate mother/ guardian to Spike, she should have known how dangerous it was to leave him unattended, especially in a big, crowded place that he probably wasn't familiar with. What if he had gotten hurt? What if he had gotten lost? Would it have been too much to ask of her to keep him close by, or at least establish a place for them to meet up after the party was over?
** Despite being a baby(By Dragon standards), Spike has shown to be on a mental level equal to the mane cast(young adults) and has shown enough resolve, cunning and level head to be able to take care of himself. Furthermore, Twilight knows how strong and durable Spike is. It's much more likely for her to get hurt than him.
*** Equestrian society seems to support young children being allowed to explore on their own at a level more comparable to 1950s society than modern Earth -- we see the Cutie Mark Crusaders, who seem to be schoolchildren-equivalents, out on their own pretty often -- and in turn the Palace Grounds are probably more like a second home to Spike than a dangerous and unknown place.
** There's also the fact that 1. Spike is incredibly durable to the point that it's doubtful anything is going to hurt him; he can breathe fire, for crying out loud 2. He grew up in Canterlot, so he's probably more comfortable there anyway 3. WordOfGod is that Celestia basically raised him, so it's entirely possible that some of the Canterlot ponies already know who he is, if only as Twilight's research assistant.

* So, given that the Wonderbolts were apparently finished with their show by the time they arrived at the party, does that mean the girls not only arrived too late for Rainbow Dash to try to crash their performance, but to even ''see'' it? You'd expect her to complain about that.
** I was under the impression that they had a show when the Gala started and planned to perform again later in the night, but the party ended early before they could.
** She was there for the first show and was likely going to be invited to take part in the second, considering Spitfire's apparently high opinion of her.

* AppleJack was able to set up a stand at the GGG in the first place? She must have asked first, since it would be insanely rude to just turn up with a stall and risk getting turned away. Add to that the initial pitch fee which would be quite high at a large event, unless it is offset with a higher skim. This presents two opportunities for the event organizer (Probably not the Princess directly) to have said "Listen kid, this isn't the right place to do that."
** I got the impression it just happened without AJ giving the organisers a heads-up first. She is naive like that.
*** Then surely she should have been turned away as a trader by the event securityponies?
*** What event securityponies? All we see are some bouncers to make sure that no-one gets into the VIP section unless they're supposed to.
* What are the (nick)names of the four musicians? Octavia seems to be disproportionately popular in the fandom, but what about, say, the pianist or the harpist. Is this just because Octavia looks like one of Pinkie's sisters?
** There's an entire MLP wikia and it lists fan-names for nearly every background pony. You can likely find fan-names for the other musicians.
* I can accept Fluttershy's breakdown, given the animals' behavior. But I cannot see any plausible way for her to go from "You're going to LOVE ME!!" to laughing about it (as she does at the end) with anything less than several hours of focused distraction, probably consisting entirely of positive animal interactions. Probably longer. Which is not implied to have happened, and I doubt any of the other ponies would have thought of it at the time.

* I'm a bit more surprised that Twilight didn't know what to expect. Surely, as the personal protege of the princess, she's had to attend some formal events before. Best I can figure, she didn't realize just how busy Celestia would be, and expected that she'd have at least some free time.
** Maybe? But then, she also seems the sort to have ducked out of them by going to study magic some more, at least until the whole "go make some friends" order, so perhaps she truly never went to one and never asked what they were like. All she knew was that her beloved teacher was going to be there, and kind of assumed the rest. It just happens that said beloved teacher is ''princess of Equestria'', and therefore has a ''lot'' of ponies to divide her attention amongst...
** Twilight's thoughts about the GGG weren't exactly far from what was happening. If you look at the other ponies at the Gala, it really is a lot of talking, socializing, and catching up. The problem is more in that Twilight wants to spend time with someone she now only gets to see about every other week(if that), whereas at previous events, hanging out with her teacher who she saw far more often, wouldn't have been a priority, and that person happened to have a laundry list of duties to perform.
* So if Celestia hates the GGG, why does she attend if all she does is act the door greeter all night? Skipping out probably wouldn't hurt her approval rating.
** It definitely would have hurt her approval rating though. She's the ruler of Equestria and part of her job is attending things like the Gala. The better question is why does she care about her approval rating. While we don't have anything but fannon to go on for her power, but it's safe to say that just like Luna was able to keep the moon in place for an extended period of time we have no reason to believe that if Celestia simply decided she didn't feel like raising the sun that there is anybody (sans possibly Luna) who could force Celestia to do ANYTHING or replace her. Ultimately she goes to these things (and probably a lot of other formal parties) for the same reasons that heads of state do these things. It's part of the job description.
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